Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[kdg411]

 

[GrandmaBear]

Another show/trial actually about to get underway.

The post you had of the FBI stuff, I think it was you, gave me pause but had no time to comment, just tried to catch-up with the posts on here reading before catching up with others last night or a few, don't recall. It also though left me with a lot of questions as well.

Is THIS trial live? I"m sure it's known by now since starting Monday. Maybe I know that it isn't and forgot? Or is and forgot?

 

[kdg411]

Another show/trial actually about to get underway.

The post you had of the FBI stuff, I think it was you, gave me pause but had no time to comment, just tried to catch-up with the posts on here reading before catching up with others last night or a few, don't recall. It also though left me with a lot of questions as well.

Is THIS trial live? I"m sure it's known by now since starting Monday. Maybe I know that it isn't and forgot? Or is and forgot?

Yes, it will be streamed live from Court TV.

 

[GrandmaBear]

John O'Keefe was not necessarily 'one of theirs' The others involved are Canton police officers (Berkowitz & Higgins), Massachusettes State Police (Proctor) & Boston police officer (Brian Albert).

I mean it is one of the "blue", one of the party invitees, one of them, one of the group welcome at a private home of people of note, power or in LE and so on. The general public wasn't welcome were they?

To me he was one of theirs and she'd have probably never been there or welcome if she hadn't been dating him and met them, etc.

I'm not arguing with you, you know that, just explaining what I mean by "one of theirs" and he wasn't the only one from his agency invited or there was he?

That's all I mean by that. It doesn't make sense to me they'd kill him for whatever reason and frame her. I don't see the reason and IF a drunken brawl, then do what corrupt LE does and frame some lowlife who has been in trouble a kazillion times. Of course I am NOT saying that is right, I just mean WHY would they do this to her? Say they disliked Karen for how she treated their guy in blue? Still doesn't work because they like the guy in blue and not her so they wouldn't kill him to frame her.

This is all a big problem to me and a big part of it. There seems to be enough on both sides to put up a fight and have a chance but there still is nothing about their alternative story that works for me. I also am sensing political sh*t here. Not about who did it, what the facts really are from that night and what really happened, but in what it has been used for and is well after the fact.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes, it will be streamed live from Court TV.

I dont like Defense Diaries and gave them one heckuva few chances. Not in this case. Him more than her. She didn't set me off before I quit it due to him.

Yet of course I see him on some TV "news" like Court TV or wherever and he seems fine but I saw one or two so over the top ridiculous it ended then for me. One of the worst, she wasn't present so maybe she helps temper it, he was all on his own with who he wanted to go with and more.

So a smaller courtroom gave a better jury view of all in it.

I agreed this should be granted and resolved and apparently it was. So hopefully now no complaints about lack of space from the parties.

Does what Motta said (not sure of spelling) really mean such is high profile. Does this mean no defense attorney or either side would go all out for the clients or their case and insist on a lot of things for the jury to go through to get a good one? If so, that's really sad if that's how it is and it only occurs in high profile cases. I don't agree with that remark at all and I'd add that it is onlyt he high profile ones we ever hear of where jury selection was a fight or fairly arduous, seriously questioned process. Sorry, I just can't stand him.

Anyhow onward to trial. I'm sure it won't be a picnic for either side. And as I've said throughout I'm not convinced of anything nor do I know I could convict OR acquit. I need to hear it to know that. I don't fall for defense and defendant trying the case in the news and public--don't get me wrong, I am GLAD that avenue is there if someone is wrongfully convicted, being railroaded, etc. or who has no representation and so forth. I think of Vanessa Guillam's family (sp? insure) and what it took to get any voice and how long. That isn't the same as one represented side being the only to do a public campaign.

I guess as you said I could be a juror in this one and I think I truly could. I have a bit of bias in that I just don't see all the defense stuff and story and jus tsome logic in what likely DID happen BUT I don't know and I keep saying I'd need to see the FACTS and the case needs to be tired for me to know. And it is going to be. DArned if I will probably get to watch or keep up. I'm going behind on Daybel already even with Tweets shared in the thread here and nightly coverage and next few days and possibly tonight won't see any or many.

I do support you and believe you base your opinion on what you see and a case you have totally watched all on or as much as can or seen all docs, and all that can be known.

I pray the right justice results whichever way it swings. And regardless of the verdict, I hope the corrupt in any walk of their life on either side go down. That part I don't disagree with. And don't think(?) I ever have.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Witness list, key evidence debated in final days before Karen Read murder trial opening statements

The judge heard arguments on several key motions in the Karen Read murder case ahead of opening statements.

www.cbsnews.com

By Neal Riley
Updated on: April 25, 2024 / 5:30 PM EDT / CBS Boston

DEDHAM - A jury has been selected, and opening statements are scheduled to start soon in the Karen Read murder trial. But first, the judge heard arguments Thursday on several key motions that have yet to be decided in the case.

<snip>

On Wednesday, the court finished the jury selection process. Nineteen jurors were picked, though they have yet to be sworn in. Attorneys say the plan is to have 12 regular jurors and four alternates for the trial, but it's not clear yet how the court will pare down the number of jurors.

It also appears proceedings will move to another courtroom in the building. The defense says jurors won't be able to see witnesses' faces from the jury box during testimony.

While Judge Beverly Cannone has said the current courtroom setup does not violate Read's right to due process, both sides agreed that the trial will likely begin in a smaller courtroom where only Read's family, O'Keefe's family and the media will be able to watch.

<snip>

There are many motions still before the judge in the case, including what evidence can be used during trial. Judge Cannone decided on some of them Thursday.

A piece of DNA, hair allegedly found on Karen Read's bumper, will be admitted to evidence.

Read will not be allowed to accompany jurors on a visit to the Canton crime scene, the judge ruled, citing security concerns.

The judge will allow prosecutors to play audio, but not video, of Read at the Milton State Police barracks, where she tells the booking officer "we're all in on the same joke, right?"

There was also debate Thursday about whether Norfolk County District Attorney Michael Morrissey, who appears on the defense's witness list, will have to testify. The defense says Morrissey inserted himself into the case personally with a video condemning witness harassment. The judge said it's an issue they can revisit later if the defense still plans to call the DA to the stand.

Read's attorney, David Yannetti, said they want to Morrissey to take the stand to question the integrity of the investigation. Judge Cannone asked why they could not do that through other witnesses. "We can but the buck stops with District Attorney Michael Morrissey," Yannetti said.

Another issue that the judge will wait to decide on is whether Read's blood alcohol content from the morning after O'Keefe's death can be used as evidence.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

MSN

Judge in Karen Read trial rules that jurors can’t be told about federal investigation into case​

Story by Travis Andersen
• 15h

Lawyers for Karen Read cannot tell jurors about a federal investigation into law enforcement’s handling of the case at her upcoming murder trial and cannot say in opening statements that the lead State Police investigator is the subject of an internal affairs review, the presiding judge ruled Thursday.

At a hearing in Norfolk Superior Court, Judge Beverly J. Cannone hashed out some of the ground rules for the highly anticipated trial, which is expected to last several weeks. Opening statements are slated for Monday.

Cannone said she had allowed a motion by prosecutors to bar any direct reference to the federal investigation by Acting US Attorney Joshua S. Levy’s office. Levy hasn’t commented on the probe, and no one has been charged federally in connection with the case. The motion stated that “should either side seek to challenge a witness’s testimony with the federal materials, reference should be made only to ‘prior testimony.’”

Cannone also said Read’s lawyers cannot mention in opening statements that Trooper Michael Proctor, the lead State Police investigator, is under an internal affairs review. In March, State Police confirmed that Proctor was under review but said he remained on full duty. His lawyer has said he stands by his work in the Read case.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Witness list, key evidence debated in final days before Karen Read murder trial opening statements

The judge heard arguments on several key motions in the Karen Read murder case ahead of opening statements.

www.cbsnews.com

By Neal Riley
Updated on: April 25, 2024 / 5:30 PM EDT / CBS Boston

DEDHAM - A jury has been selected, and opening statements are scheduled to start soon in the Karen Read murder trial. But first, the judge heard arguments Thursday on several key motions that have yet to be decided in the case.

<snip>

On Wednesday, the court finished the jury selection process. Nineteen jurors were picked, though they have yet to be sworn in. Attorneys say the plan is to have 12 regular jurors and four alternates for the trial, but it's not clear yet how the court will pare down the number of jurors.

It also appears proceedings will move to another courtroom in the building. The defense says jurors won't be able to see witnesses' faces from the jury box during testimony.

While Judge Beverly Cannone has said the current courtroom setup does not violate Read's right to due process, both sides agreed that the trial will likely begin in a smaller courtroom where only Read's family, O'Keefe's family and the media will be able to watch.

<snip>

There are many motions still before the judge in the case, including what evidence can be used during trial. Judge Cannone decided on some of them Thursday.

A piece of DNA, hair allegedly found on Karen Read's bumper, will be admitted to evidence.

Read will not be allowed to accompany jurors on a visit to the Canton crime scene, the judge ruled, citing security concerns.

The judge will allow prosecutors to play audio, but not video, of Read at the Milton State Police barracks, where she tells the booking officer "we're all in on the same joke, right?"

There was also debate Thursday about whether Norfolk County District Attorney Michael Morrissey, who appears on the defense's witness list, will have to testify. The defense says Morrissey inserted himself into the case personally with a video condemning witness harassment. The judge said it's an issue they can revisit later if the defense still plans to call the DA to the stand.

Read's attorney, David Yannetti, said they want to Morrissey to take the stand to question the integrity of the investigation. Judge Cannone asked why they could not do that through other witnesses. "We can but the buck stops with District Attorney Michael Morrissey," Yannetti said.

Another issue that the judge will wait to decide on is whether Read's blood alcohol content from the morning after O'Keefe's death can be used as evidence.

What is this in on the same joke comment prosecution wants in? How come I've never heard of that?

Her blood alcohol level most certainly should be allowed in and I can't imagine a single reason it would not be.

While many have probably dealt with the seating in the courtroom, and view, they did movie it and I agree with that or have no issue although I think limited attendees is not necessarily the right choice by moving it somewhere SMALLER. Sounds like there's a lot to decide or much that can come up later and it starts tomorrow right? Jury selection. I have no doubt this will be a hard fought trial.

I'll also add this, if the are fighting to keep her BAC out, it was not in her favor even the next morning. And that doesn't surprise me one bit.

 

[kdg411]

What is this in on the same joke comment prosecution wants in? How come I've never heard of that?

Her blood alcohol level most certainly should be allowed in and I can't imagine a single reason it would not be.

While many have probably dealt with the seating in the courtroom, and view, they did movie it and I agree with that or have no issue although I think limited attendees is not necessarily the right choice by moving it somewhere SMALLER. Sounds like there's a lot to decide or much that can come up later and it starts tomorrow right? Jury selection. I have no doubt this will be a hard fought trial.

I'll also add this, if the are fighting to keep her BAC out, it was not in her favor even the next morning. And that doesn't surprise me one bit.

When Karen was arrested initially she was charged with manslaughter. The second time she was charged with second degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision causing death. Watch the 4:38 video here. This explains her statement about 'the joke'.

Karen's BAC was NOT taken at Good Samaritan hospital. What was taken was a cbc & bmp. There was no BAC ordered. The DA (Morissey) authorized a technician to extrapolate from that blood draw to try and determine the approximate BAC from 12 hours prior. The technician that did this failed her certification in blood sample analysis prior to this.

 

[kdg411]

 

[Guess Who]

When Karen was arrested initially she was charged with manslaughter. The second time she was charged with second degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision causing death. Watch the 4:38 video here. This explains her statement about 'the joke'.

Karen's BAC was NOT taken at Good Samaritan hospital. What was taken was a cbc & bmp. There was no BAC ordered. The DA (Morissey) authorized a technician to extrapolate from that blood draw to try and determine the approximate BAC from 12 hours prior. The technician that did this failed her certification in blood sample analysis prior to this.

Plus, nearly anything can happen in the 12 hours so "estimating" should not even be allowed that far out.

 

[Guess Who]

An investigator brought a leaf blower?!!!

 

[Cousin Dupree]

An investigator brought a leaf blower?!!!

This just looks more and more like a frame up!!!

 

[Guess Who]

Super telling also that they are trying to not let the jury hear about the FBI being involved.

 

[GrandmaBear]

When Karen was arrested initially she was charged with manslaughter. The second time she was charged with second degree murder, motor vehicle manslaughter and leaving the scene of a collision causing death. Watch the 4:38 video here. This explains her statement about 'the joke'.

Karen's BAC was NOT taken at Good Samaritan hospital. What was taken was a cbc & bmp. There was no BAC ordered. The DA (Morissey) authorized a technician to extrapolate from that blood draw to try and determine the approximate BAC from 12 hours prior. The technician that did this failed her certification in blood sample analysis prior to this.

I listened to it. One comment by her wasn't very clear about the tail light and whoever. The joke thing I take to mean about that or her charges being changed or upgraded? Grand jury now indicted her at that point, I get that. It is the prosecution that wants this in right?

So her BAC was not taken at the hospital. Not sure why? Were they still cutting her a break then like one of theirs and because all or many of them were out that night? And later found more cause to be concerned? I don't know what a CBC and bmp are and no idea (no expert) what can be extrapolated from such or to what accuracy but if there is even a degree or range of accuracy then Itthink it should be in. Let the jury decide. Jmo.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Super telling also that they are trying to not let the jury hear about the FBI being involved.

I thought the judge ruled the jury can't be told about that. Hope some dumbassed prosecutor will open the door to getting it allowed.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Plus, nearly anything can happen in the 12 hours so "estimating" should not even be allowed that far out.

Well I'm assuming she was at the hospital due to being arrested? Not really said. Just want to be clear on that? And no BAC was taken? I though don't know enough about what was taken to comment. Nor why those things were taken but not a BAC? Anyone?

 

[kdg411]

I listened to it. One comment by her wasn't very clear about the tail light and whoever. The joke thing I take to mean about that or her charges being changed or upgraded? Grand jury now indicted her at that point, I get that. It is the prosecution that wants this in right?

So her BAC was not taken at the hospital. Not sure why? Were they still cutting her a break then like one of theirs and because all or many of them were out that night? And later found more cause to be concerned? I don't know what a CBC and bmp are and no idea (no expert) what can be extrapolated from such or to what accuracy but if there is even a degree or range of accuracy then Itthink it should be in. Let the jury decide. Jmo.

Yes the prosecution wants this in.

LE definitely was not cutting her a break. IMO

CBC
Red blood cells, which carry oxygen
White blood cells, which fight infection
Hemoglobin, the oxygen-carrying protein in red blood cells
Hematocrit, the amount of red blood cells in the blood
Platelets, which help blood to clot

BMP
A basic metabolic panel measures the following substances in your blood:
Glucose: This is a type of sugar that provides energy for your body and brain. Glucose is also known as blood sugar. Elevated blood glucose is often a sign of diabetes.
Calcium: Calcium is one of the most important and common minerals in your body. While most of your calcium is stored in your bones, you need calcium in your blood as well. Blood calcium is essential for proper functioning of your nerves, muscles and heart. It also helps with blood clotting when you’re injured.
BUN (blood urea nitrogen): This is a measurement of urea, which is a waste product that your kidneys help remove from your blood.
Creatinine: This is a byproduct of muscle activity. It’s a waste product that your kidneys filter and remove from your blood.

A BMP also measures the following four electrolytes. Electrolytes are minerals that carry an electric charge when they are dissolved in a liquid. These electrolytes in your blood control nerve and muscle function and maintain the acid-base balance (pH balance) of your blood and your water balance.
Sodium: Most of your sodium comes from the food you eat, and your kidneys help regulate your body’s sodium levels.
Potassium: Potassium comes from the food you eat and is present in all tissues of your body.
Bicarbonate: Bicarbonate indicates the amount of carbon dioxide (CO2) in your blood.
Chloride: Chloride functions along with sodium, potassium and bicarbonate to control many processes in your body.

The issue with the extrapolation was the 'expert' that completed the test was not qualified to do so.

 

[GrandmaBear]

An investigator brought a leaf blower?!!!

Yeah I have to wonder about the leaf blower thing. I'm going to guess the truth about it fall somewhere in the middle than what is implied.

My brother traveled with one ALL of the time. And a weed eater. And a limb lopper. And more. He was Mr. Prepared.

There isn't enough context for me on that or a few other things from this Olivia. The weedeater sure sounds like WTH? But let's get it in context with all the facts.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Super telling also that they are trying to not let the jury hear about the FBI being involved.

Seems like it but I have questions about the FBI being involved.