John O'Keefe was not necessarily 'one of theirs' The others involved are Canton police officers (Berkowitz & Higgins), Massachusettes State Police (Proctor) & Boston police officer (Brian Albert).I truly am not as I am in some others here and not convinced of anything but I am not either on where I jump on the Karen Read ship. I agree with some of the corrupton, not one argument there but don't' necessarily agree it means they killed their guy and framed her.
So that's what what the pics were of and that's the one set up with bad jury seats and that looks old? I'd call any old and historical that are old and yeah now that you meintion it, court trial would be county and not city, wasn't thinking on that one.The Karen Read trial is being held in Norfolk County Superior Court, 650 High St, Dedham, MA 02026.
If I understand your question, the historical Boston courthouse is John Adams located at 1 Pemberton Square, Boston, MA 02108
Agreed. The MSP investigation didn't do his due diligence from the start. What evidence can be trusted?THIS is the part that pretty much convinced me of a coverup. If it had been KR that did this search, I would be very leery of her, but it wasn't her that made this search.
The FBI has confirmed that Jen McCabe did in fact make a 2:27 search of Google of how long her good friend would die after being left out in the cold. The MSP did not!
I'm reaching??? You even said you looked at the pics and it appears old and has been that way forever. My point is that it's been this way and it appears it has worked fine for this court. I am not saying it's right to have it designed this way, but the emu seems to think they did this arrangement just for this case for some reason.Did you read the link and look at the pics? Looks pretty old and like permanent builds/structures/jury seats, etc. to me. I don' always look at all links but I did at this one. I don't think they just for goodness sakes rearranged all this for Karen Read. I can't even imagine the reasoning on that one.
You know I can see some things in this case but I think with this one you are really reaching.
I was against our new justice center and jail and they wanted to go all out which was a lot of the reason not to mention the tax increases we were going to face. Most were against. For that and other reasons. They finally got it through as they do with schools or anything by just keeping at it until not enough people turn out to vote it down, etc. Ours is which is surprising me probably 20, 30 years old by now? Maybe a bit less. Not sure.
And the "new" place itself is its own story and the contractors and problems BUT for purposes of this, I'll avoid that sidetrack. We had an old historic I'd say courthouse like any of small towns and way back, not big but I think two story, basement, maybe three, think it was two. On a hill with steps but right in a small city to most in other states would be a town. Anyhow I think on it right now and yes it was sold, it was tight, never though so back at the time but it was. Jail was part of this small thing and tight. I love old buildings though.
But to revamp that one if I am honest looking back? Oh boy.
This one here is similar I'm sure. You can't reconfigure a room where maybe the wiring or electrical needs to be near the court reporter and judge and there's already likely a back way in for the jury, one needs seats for the public and near the door, etc. You can only do so much and even if you blew all out with a new footprint well you have to have funding and even then, lack of space to fit all back in and new wiring and so much more.
This simply looks like a very old historic courthouse and there's probably some that want it never torn down and some that think new and modern is the way to go.
I remember the Frazee trial and hearing and such and I think it was Teller County CO. My God. WAsn't televised still ticks me off. BUt no air hotter than heck, if they opened a few windows then the jury was hearing police sirens and just all sorts of problems. Wanst' televised but many a tweeting news or YT etc. was there. The acoustics they said were worthless, thek sight lines too just like here.
This courtroom is not about Karen Read. They are calling it out and hopefully a solution will be found. She does have a right for the jury to see her, for her to face her accusers and so on. I'm in full agreement on that. However, before you say they are doing it to do it to her maybe go find some other trials with some pics or info about this courthouse, courtroom, etc. Just saying.
Maybe all is big and newer anywhere you have been but it sure isn't the case everywhere to this day.
Is the defense willing to pay for a remodel of the courtroom? I would hold up the case if they agreed to do that just for their clientNew thought now that I have had a few minutes. Let's not forget tech, are you sure they can't see them on a monitor either at their chair or screens in the courtroom...? I am starting to wonder what is being left out here... Hey that would be a way to remedy it and fast if they don't have such and now another thought, make it even more of a close up on the monitor or screen than even the ones with a viewing line can see.
What say you? Would that not fix the problem? Or do they even already have that or have that figured out? I after Delphi just have to say the wheels are starting to turn here that we are probably getting half the story. IF that. Tech can solve it. Quickly.
I'm reaching??? You even said you looked at the pics and it appears old and has been that way forever. My point is that it's been this way and it appears it has worked fine for this court. I am not saying it's right to have it designed this way, but the emu seems to think they did this arrangement just for this case for some reason.
THIS is the part that pretty much convinced me of a coverup. If it had been KR that did this search, I would be very leery of her, but it wasn't her that made this search.
The FBI has confirmed that Jen McCabe did in fact make a 2:27 search of Google of how long her good friend would die after being left out in the cold. The MSP did not!
Did you even look at those pics? That place hasn't been remodeled pretty much since we've been alive!No, if this is how it's been for a lot of trials prior, I'd think there would be grounds for retrial. JMO
However, who would have dared to go against Auntie Bev?No, if this is how it's been for a lot of trials prior, I'd think there would be grounds for retrial. JMO
If it had been remodeled within the past 10 years most, if not all, of those cables would not be strung along the base like that.Did you even look at those pics? That place hasn't been remodeled pretty much since we've been alive!
No! Don't know what I did there but that entire remark was at emu. I looked back and saw you responded to him and I apparently replied to your response but the one that I was thinking WTH about was his that was in my mind. Hopefully you figured that out even though it did look as if I said it to you but in all posts, no we agree on the courthouse thing pretty much, so no, it was not at you with the reaching lol. Not ONE BIT. It is simply where I saw that post of his and I should have went back to find it and replied.I'm reaching??? You even said you looked at the pics and it appears old and has been that way forever. My point is that it's been this way and it appears it has worked fine for this court. I am not saying it's right to have it designed this way, but the emu seems to think they did this arrangement just for this case for some reason.
Tolja that thing looked ancientJury selection continues in Karen Read's murder trial, but opening statements are on the horizon
Opening statements in the Karen Read murder trial are tentatively scheduled for Monday, April 29, according to The Boston Globe.www.boston.com
By Abby Patkin
April 23, 2024 | 2:13 PM
Opening statements in the Karen Read murder trial are tentatively slated for early next week following several marathon days of jury selection, according to The Boston Globe.
The number of seated jurors was reportedly up to 19 by the end of Monday’s session in Norfolk Superior Court — three more than the 12 jurors and four alternates sought for the high-profile trial. However, defense attorney Alan Jackson told the Globe some of the jurors may have availability issues, so the selection process will spill over into Wednesday.
Opening statements are tentatively scheduled for Monday, April 29, the newspaper reported. Judge Beverly Cannone told prospective jurors last week that Read’s trial may ultimately last six to eight weeks once a jury is seated.
In a sensational case that has gripped Norfolk County and generated national headlines, the 44-year-old Read is accused of killing her Boston police officer boyfriend, John O’Keefe, in January 2022. Prosecutors say the Mansfield woman struck O’Keefe with her SUV and left him to die outside a home in Canton following a night out with friends.
However, Read’s lawyers have alleged a widespread cover-up among witnesses and law enforcement, suggesting O’Keefe was actually beaten inside the home. Last week, Cannone said the defense team will be allowed to present “relevant, competent, admissible” evidence that others were to blame for O’Keefe’s death, though she barred Read’s lawyers from using the third-party culprit defense during opening statements.
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There are still several motions on the table as Read’s trial inches closer. Her lawyers have raised concerns about the courtroom configuration, noting that the position of the jury box means some jurors won’t be able to see witnesses’ faces as they testify.
In response, prosecutors pointed out that criminal trials have been held at Norfolk Superior Court with “substantially the same [courtroom] set-up” for more than 100 years. They also suggested moving the trial to a different, smaller courtroom as an alternative.
In another motion, prosecutors pushed back on the defense team’s inclusion of Norfolk District Attorney Michael Morrissey on their list of witnesses, requesting that Read’s lawyers show proof that Morrissey’s testimony is necessary.
According to prosecutors, Read’s lawyers said in a sidebar last week they plan to call Morrissey to testify about a “conflict” the Canton Police Department had with the investigation into O’Keefe’s death, as well as the use of the Massachusetts State Police detective unit assigned to the DA’s office.
“It is not in dispute, that pursuant to statute, the District Attorney and its law enforcement officers have exclusive jurisdiction over all death investigations in Norfolk County,” prosecutors wrote. “Further, other witnesses are expected to testify that the Canton Police Department disassociated themselves from the investigation due to a familial relationship between the homeowner and a Canton police detective.”
Morrissey previously faced scrutiny after Cannone ruled last month that some of his comments on Read’s case “crossed the line” and “undoubtedly reflected poor judgment.” The DA released a video statement last August condemning the harassment of several witnesses involved in the case.
No! Don't know what I did there but that entire remark was at emu. I looked back and saw you responded to him and I apparently replied to your response but the one that I was thinking WTH about was his that was in my mind. Hopefully you figured that out even though it did look as if I said it to you but in all posts, no we agree on the courthouse thing pretty much, so no, it was not at you with the reaching lol. Not ONE BIT. It is simply where I saw that post of his and I should have went back to find it and replied.
I said it too. I looked at the link I do a lot in some when I have time, I just admit I haven't or can't in all. I don't think emu looked at a single pic. AT least he should admit it as I do when I have not read a link.Tolja that thing looked ancient
I would hope what did not make sense is clear now lol. You had the same opinion basically so I would never have said even off my rocker that you were "reaching". I thought I was responding to him. Long days, I am telling ya. And catching up on ones that are not ones that are my biggest or that I haven't always followed takes a bit and I can't always do it or am in a rush to do it.