I don't believe he went in the house. There's no evidence for that. Read herself believes she hit him and is why she rushed back to the scene and found him. Unfortunately, too late to save him.She thought he did, and Apple tracking proves it. If he went to the door and in the house, as Apple tracking says he did, then she never hit him. His injuries were formed some other way.
I don't believe he went in the house. There's no evidence for that. Read herself believes she hit him and is why she rushed back to the scene and found him. Unfortunately, too late to save him.
I think she knew she had hit him. That's why she was hysterical. Anyway, lets wait to see if the appeal is allowed or if the retrial goes ahead.She was drunk. She could've just been trying to explain what happened.
It she hit him on the road like trooper Paul insists to leave all the pieces on the road and then do his flying over to the flag pole where he was found and also where the other pieces of taillight were supposedly found, how would he get over to the steps to hit his head on the front and back? The physics don't physic.I think she did the 24 mph reverse into the drive to reverse her direction and thats when she hit him, knocking him back on to the steps that caused the injury, then she drove off.
Yes they do IMO. She dropped him off then farted about on her phone, reversed without seeing him behind her, knocked him over about 6 feet from the steps, he falls back and cracks his head. Crawls around and ends up unconcious where they found him. The tail pieces fell out when she drove forward onto the road to complete her turn going forward.It she hit him on the road like trooper Paul insists to leave ask the pieces on the road and then do his flying over to the flag pole where he was found and also where the other pieces of taillight were supposedly found, how would he get over to the steps to hit his head on the front and back? The physics don't physic.
So they explain how the taillight pieces only ended up on the road and at the flag pole and absolutely none near the steps. How did they get to the him at the flag pole if he hit his head that hard at the steps? Again, the physics don't physic. And if she hit him that hard to send him all the way over to the steps, bounce of the steps over to the flag pole, how does he have no impact injuries from her car?Yes they do IMO. She dropped him off then farted about on her phone, reversed without seeing him behind her, knocked him over about 6 feet from the steps, he falls back and cracks his head. Crawls around and ends up unconcious where they found him. The tail pieces fell out when she drove forward onto the road to complete her turn going forward.
I've seen the autopsy pics of the horizontal deep wound on the back of his head. He didn't hit his head on the front, the blood and swollen eyes were all from the head contusion on the back, IMO.
So they explain how the taillight pieces only ended up on the road and at the flag pole and absolutely none near the steps. How did they get to the him at the flag pole if he hit his head that hard at the steps? Again, the physics don't physic. And if she hit him that hard to send him all the way over to the steps, bounce of the steps over to the flag pole, how does he have no impact injuries from her car?
She was definitely angry after the fact.I think she knew she had hit him. That's why she was hysterical. Anyway, lets wait to see if the appeal is allowed or if the retrial goes ahead.
We are going by what was testified to in court by the prosecutions own expert witness.This articles explains it quite well. I'm not going to argue but that's what i think happened and so does the prosecutor. He was found only feet from where partygoers would have seen him as they left, but for the snow.
What to know on the Karen Read murder case and mistrial
Prosecutors have vowed to retry Read after a mistrial in her murder case. She has claimed innocence and alleges law enforcement officers are trying to frame her in John O’Keefe’s death.www.nbcnews.com
So what is your point about this?We are going by what was testified to in court by the prosecutions own expert witness.
They said he was hit on the road and then landed at the flagpole from the force (that made no impact injuries on him) and were convinced that is what happened. Those areas are not near any steps and there were no tail light pieces anywhere near the steps. That's what the prosecutions own crime scene recreation specialist testified as to what happened.So what is your point about this?
When questioned by the defense about how he landed over by the flagpole after being hit on the street and tail light pieces flew over with him, this experts professional answer was "it just did!".They said he was hit on the road and then landed at the flagpole from the force (that made no impact injuries on him) and were convinced that is what happened. Those areas are not near any steps and there were no tail light pieces anywhere near the steps. That's what the prosecutions own crime scene recreation specialist testified as to what happened.
How come nobody saw him there? Especially the ones who came to pick people up leaving the party and saw Read's vehicle with Read sitting in it?When questioned by the defense about how he landed over by the flagpole after being hit on the street and tail light pieces flew over with him, this experts professional answer was "it just did!".
Wouldn't that mean he wasn't there then... Far after the time she had left? Just one more reason for reasonable doubt.How come nobody saw him there? Especially the ones who came to pick people up leaving the party and saw Read's vehicle with Read sitting in it?
How come nobody saw him there? Especially the ones who came to pick people up leaving the party and saw Read's vehicle with Read sitting in it?
I don't know what it means except he wasn't by the flagpole at that time.Wouldn't that mean he wasn't there then... Far after the time she had left? Just one more reason for reasonable doubt.
So now she backed was up into the yard to get to him by the steps? Nobody that went in and out of the house, at the steps, saw him? The only steps I've seen anywhere there are to get directly into or out of the house. There are none anywhere near the flag pole or the curb. There were no taillight pieces found near any steps, either. How would they get on the road and by the flag pole if she hit him up in the yard by the steps?I don't know what it means except he wasn't by the flagpole at that time.
Eg. She could have hit him near the steps and he crawled to where he was eventually found. The snow possibly prevented anyone seeing him. He had been outside some time as his body temperature was so low when found. I don't know why the people coming and going never saw him.
The point is nobody knows do they? Except they know she did a Uturn at 24mph.So now she backed was up into the yard to get to him by the steps? Nobody that went in and out of the house, at the steps, saw him? The only steps I've seen anywhere there are to get directly into or out of the house. There are none anywhere near the flag pole or the curb. There were no taillight pieces found near any steps, either. How would they get on the road and by the flag pole if she hit him up in the yard by the steps?
Physics tells us that it didn't happen that way though. We can't have "expert" witnesses who's answer when questioned about those kind of issues and how that could have happened the way the prosecution says happened isn't "it just did". It needs to be physically possible.The point is nobody knows do they? Except they know she did a Uturn at 24mph.
Nobody saw him except one person leaving the party thought they saw something and said "whats that".
Everybody was drunk as a skunk so their memories are sh!t. Several people could have run over or hit him and not known or remembered.
The taillight pieces could have fallen out anywhere. He didnt die immediately and could have been crawling around. Again noone knows or even cared. They could even have been blown by the leaf blower used to clear the snow.
She thinks she did it so i think she did too.
They speculate too when they don't have a physical answer though. The pieces and Okeefe were found at certain places but they don't know how they got where they did.Physics tells us that it didn't happen that way though. We can't have "expert" witnesses who's answer when questioned about those kind of issues and how that could have happened the way the prosecution says happened isn't "it just did". It needs to be physically possible.