Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

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This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 
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It's not opinion. That is not how they work for real. You have security cameras so you should know that's not how they work.
I already said my post had nothing to do with security cameras. I also told you that I am no expert with them. I had two men at various times that actually monitored them for me as I did not understand them very well and I couldn't respond to the property quickly either but they were local and could do that for me.

At no time was my post ever about that subject. And so I will leave it that way and let others argue that.

I know nothing has changed my opinion in this case. And it doesn't happen to match yours, sorry to say. Just the way it is.
 
Yet they never recorded them saying that in their witness interviews (video or written) nor wrote that very important info on their notes in any way? How is it possible that very important info was never documented? And this was supposed to be an investigation into the possible murder of a fellow officer??? Make that make sense.
It's pretty common in my years of being around such reports and reading them, especially if anything involved a fellow officer or friend of the cops. One example was a car accident. Two cops, interestingly both also worked at the P.O., I think both were part time and trying to get into either job eventually full time, either into the sheriff's department or the post office for the FT benefits, etc. and pensions.

A woman and a man. They had been in another town helping patrol a festival, not unusual for the part timers to take such extra hours, etc. After the festival, late, they say and drank with others at a local bar and I am sure tossed down many. The bar was known as an "oasis" out of our own town for cops, kind of kept it on the down low. This would have also been I am sure after hours at a certain point. Not legal either but they are special just like Karen and her cop bf were here or thought they were anyhow...

Hey, I knew them both and liked them, knew most of our local cops somewhat anyhow.

Anyhow they crashed. I am certain probably a buddy was called, and that they preferred no one be called but for some reason it had to be reported to a point, I forget why, but we ended up seeing the police report so not sure if she was injured or what the deal was, I can't recall but there must have been going to be a necessary claim, probably for damages to the car too but we would not necessarily get such records on that.... Or because of that. I believe it was a one vehicle accident...

Anyhow we got the report and first let me tell you LE incident reports are never great. They never document what they should, witnesses, names, numbers, etc. Almost NEVER, at least not back then. But this report was a joke. I mean it had NOTHING on it. I alerted to it the minute we received it because I recognized them both as cops and it was in the wee hours near the other town. The woman he was with was NOT his wife, another thing... Minimal almost zero information, but the key thing? It had her down as the driver. I did not believe that for a split second, that she was driving... It was probably part of the reason for the report too. Something told me she was not driving, I don't recall what but it was a lie and I was certain of it. I imagine he was plastered and driving and she may be was not and would have passed a breathalyzer or perhaps he was not to be driving, I can't recall. This was a long, long time ago.

My point IS keeping all off a report keeps it open... You are not cemented in. She was a friend and in the early hours I'd say they were concerned for her and probably felt it might have been an accident... All or most of them were drinking that night, you know, they are special, they can do what the public cannot without arrest...

I don't find it odd at all. LE also knows such things are discoverable. And again at that point, she was likely still considered one of their own...

I can think of a very bad thing in my life once and I sat at the table with a female officer and gave her detail after detail of I'll just say a brutal long assault. Months later when I saw the report, none of that was in there...

It's the norm. I have long said LE needs to be trained to get details at accidents and you name it and get them into their reports. They aren't.

I have witnessed car accidents and stopped and waited. When I finally could I would approach and tell an officer I saw what happened and did they want my name and number and 9 times out of 10 it was a "no". I have seen police reports where no witnesses are listed, following that very same behavior and when interviewing a person involved, they share that this woman in such and such a car talked to them and saw the accident but guess what, cops never took down the details...

Anyhow, I'm going on 2.5 hours sleep. AT least I got a couple. I know I am wandering a bit but my point is such not being in there does not mean it was not said or it is lies. Imo Karen showed a ton of consciousness of guilt as they call it. That her statements are not in reports surprises me not one bit and does not lead me to such being false either. Such very reasonably fit in with her suicidal behavior and more. Her niece had some things to say too...

She did leave the scene that night and go home and left him to die.
 
It's pretty common in my years of being around such reports and reading them, especially if anything involved a fellow officer or friend of the cops. One example was a car accident. Two cops, interestingly both also worked at the P.O., I think both were part time and trying to get into either job eventually full time, either into the sheriff's department or the post office for the FT benefits, etc. and pensions.

A woman and a man. They had been in another town helping patrol a festival, not unusual for the part timers to take such extra hours, etc. After the festival, late, they say and drank with others at a local bar and I am sure tossed down many. The bar was known as an "oasis" out of our own town for cops, kind of kept it on the down low. This would have also been I am sure after hours at a certain point. Not legal either but they are special just like Karen and her cop bf were here or thought they were anyhow...

Hey, I knew them both and liked them, knew most of our local cops somewhat anyhow.

Anyhow they crashed. I am certain probably a buddy was called, and that they preferred no one be called but for some reason it had to be reported to a point, I forget why, but we ended up seeing the police report so not sure if she was injured or what the deal was, I can't recall but there must have been going to be a necessary claim, probably for damages to the car too but we would not necessarily get such records on that.... Or because of that. I believe it was a one vehicle accident...

Anyhow we got the report and first let me tell you LE incident reports are never great. They never document what they should, witnesses, names, numbers, etc. Almost NEVER, at least not back then. But this report was a joke. I mean it had NOTHING on it. I alerted to it the minute we received it because I recognized them both as cops and it was in the wee hours near the other town. The woman he was with was NOT his wife, another thing... Minimal almost zero information, but the key thing? It had her down as the driver. I did not believe that for a split second, that she was driving... It was probably part of the reason for the report too. Something told me she was not driving, I don't recall what but it was a lie and I was certain of it. I imagine he was plastered and driving and she may be was not and would have passed a breathalyzer or perhaps he was not to be driving, I can't recall. This was a long, long time ago.

My point IS keeping all off a report keeps it open... You are not cemented in. She was a friend and in the early hours I'd say they were concerned for her and probably felt it might have been an accident... All or most of them were drinking that night, you know, they are special, they can do what the public cannot without arrest...

I don't find it odd at all. LE also knows such things are discoverable. And again at that point, she was likely still considered one of their own...

I can think of a very bad thing in my life once and I sat at the table with a female officer and gave her detail after detail of I'll just say a brutal long assault. Months later when I saw the report, none of that was in there...

It's the norm. I have long said LE needs to be trained to get details at accidents and you name it and get them into their reports. They aren't.

I have witnessed car accidents and stopped and waited. When I finally could I would approach and tell an officer I saw what happened and did they want my name and number and 9 times out of 10 it was a "no". I have seen police reports where no witnesses are listed, following that very same behavior and when interviewing a person involved, they share that this woman in such and such a car talked to them and saw the accident but guess what, cops never took down the details...

Anyhow, I'm going on 2.5 hours sleep. AT least I got a couple. I know I am wandering a bit but my point is such not being in there does not mean it was not said or it is lies. Imo Karen showed a ton of consciousness of guilt as they call it. That her statements are not in reports surprises me not one bit and does not lead me to such being false either. Such very reasonably fit in with her suicidal behavior and more. Her niece had some things to say too...

She did leave the scene that night and go home and left him to die.
I completely agree with all this. Exactly how it is. My hub was a cop in the 80's/90's and what you say about statement taking is correct. Just the basics so there is wriggle room if it goes to court. There are actually official police handbooks that they follow regarding rules of evidence and the law, here in the UK anyway.

The two or more video recorders in the Sallyport are a good example. If one fails they have the other as back up and they have to cover the different exits/entrances.
 
This is a link that has a lot of documents regarding the case. The first document is the indictment and has a lot of detail regarding what took place that night and the next morning.

 
I completely agree with all this. Exactly how it is. My hub was a cop in the 80's/90's and what you say about statement taking is correct. Just the basics so there is wriggle room if it goes to court. There are actually official police handbooks that they follow regarding rules of evidence and the law, here in the UK anyway.

The two or more video recorders in the Sallyport are a good example. If one fails they have the other as back up and they have to cover the different exits/entrances.
EXACTLY. Thank YOU. I saw so many police reports and they were just jokes. I always thought it was just inexperienced and lazy cops and they hired buddies and no real rules and training until years went on... Then I started to realize and wonder if the less info the better... Discoverable. And wiggle room as you say. And they always cover the friends or their own... Well most do, just the way it is...

And Karen was one of theirs, for awhile anyhow until things were worked out and understood some...

I have no problem believing she said these things and there are witnesses who are not LE who have said as much. It fits in with all her behavior and consciousness of guilt too.

Personally I do not like the practice of not putting all down in a report. I think the best thing is to always be with a body cam on, report EVERY single thing, etc. both to protect self and LE and for justice.

Thank YOU for verifying this. This is a very common practice, to leave such out. This case I mentioned where it was two part time cops in a car accident, as it was looked into by us (insurance adjusters), we were hearing things that were NOT in the report. Heck nothing was in the report. I think their key thing was making sure she was put down as the driver. And to this day decades later no way do I believe that, I am positive he was driving. For a few reasons...

The other part of it...? Pretty sure they were doing each other... I would have never wondered nor had a clue, they weren't in my world or realm BUT I did the post office every single day and both worked there, they were nice, I knew them, I knew him and his family better. And they both were part time sheriff's department and probably the shifts and quiet hours the full timers did not want, fill ins mostly. As I said both after FT positions I am sure in one place or the other and FT benefits and pensions. After that accident lol I wondered how many times they were doing each other on or at either job in a back room, car, etc... Both were married...

I don't like to assume or judge but in this case, I am pretty certain... Once I picked up on it I saw it... I mean they continued to work at the post office, etc. and part of my job was going there twice a day... Once you know to look for it, you see it lol. But that is all a bit of a sidetrack.

It brings me though the thought and thing of how this group was too... How some cops and such groups are... Wasn't Karen texting another cop and flirting... A buddy of John's? One that has come down on her but he was responding... CAn't recall his name. Brian maybe...? Not sure...

Anyhow, what she said not being in reports is NO SURPRISE to me at all. And in no way does it mean to me she never said such as the fact she did and witnesses say otherwise and it fits with her behavior entirely...
 
EXACTLY. Thank YOU. I saw so many police reports and they were just jokes. I always thought it was just inexperienced and lazy cops and they hired buddies and no real rules and training until years went on... Then I started to realize and wonder if the less info the better... Discoverable. And wiggle room as you say. And they always cover the friends or their own... Well most do, just the way it is...

And Karen was one of theirs, for awhile anyhow until things were worked out and understood some...

I have no problem believing she said these things and there are witnesses who are not LE who have said as much. It fits in with all her behavior and consciousness of guilt too.

Personally I do not like the practice of not putting all down in a report. I think the best thing is to always be with a body cam on, report EVERY single thing, etc. both to protect self and LE and for justice.

Thank YOU for verifying this. This is a very common practice, to leave such out. This case I mentioned where it was two part time cops in a car accident, as it was looked into by us (insurance adjusters), we were hearing things that were NOT in the report. Heck nothing was in the report. I think their key thing was making sure she was put down as the driver. And to this day decades later no way do I believe that, I am positive he was driving. For a few reasons...

The other part of it...? Pretty sure they were doing each other... I would have never wondered nor had a clue, they weren't in my world or realm BUT I did the post office every single day and both worked there, they were nice, I knew them, I knew him and his family better. And they both were part time sheriff's department and probably the shifts and quiet hours the full timers did not want, fill ins mostly. As I said both after FT positions I am sure in one place or the other and FT benefits and pensions. After that accident lol I wondered how many times they were doing each other on or at either job in a back room, car, etc... Both were married...

I don't like to assume or judge but in this case, I am pretty certain... Once I picked up on it I saw it... I mean they continued to work at the post office, etc. and part of my job was going there twice a day... Once you know to look for it, you see it lol. But that is all a bit of a sidetrack.

It brings me though the thought and thing of how this group was too... How some cops and such groups are... Wasn't Karen texting another cop and flirting... A buddy of John's? One that has come down on her but he was responding... CAn't recall his name. Brian maybe...? Not sure...

Anyhow, what she said not being in reports is NO SURPRISE to me at all. And in no way does it mean to me she never said such as the fact she did and witnesses say otherwise and it fits with her behavior entirely...
Brian Higgins is the name maybe?
 
No she wasn't. She is currently appealing the issue on double jeopardy on those two counts. If she wins they won't be able to recharge her on those counts. The appeal links have been posted on here.

Yes, she was. You obviously don't know that. The problem is that the defense atty. and judge didn't poll the jury on each charge. Had they, it would have been taken care of right then and there.
 
Yes, she was. You obviously don't know that. The problem is that the defense atty. and judge didn't poll the jury on each charge. Had they, it would have been taken care of right then and there.
The judge declared a mistrial and didnt poll the jury, which she could have done, but chose not to. It says MISTRIAL on page 1 of this thread in big letters. That is the reason for the appeal. Maybe they polled the jury outside of the court but that doesn't count if the judge did not do it.Screenshot_20250131-002927_Samsung Internet.jpg
 
The judge declared a mistrial and didnt poll the jury, which she could have done, but chose not to. It says MISTRIAL on page 1 of this thread in big letters. That is the reason for the appeal. Maybe they polled the jury outside of the court but that doesn't count if the judge did not do it.View attachment 23840

It doesn't count legally, but it does count in the thought process of the trial.
 

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