Karen Read accused of backing into boyfriend and leaving him to die *MISTRIAL*

This woman didn't do this. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the house did it. Someone in the house looked up "How long will it take for somebody to die in the cold." Karen couldn't have done that search.

Is there a cover up conspiracy?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I would probably be timed out if I was talking to people like that.

Just saying...

It is not just one person who does not agree here. And some are not trying to force their opinion down anyone else's throat but some definitely are.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't believe in chill pills but some need one at times... I think that would be the case here right now... Or have some herbal tea or some such...

It is okay--there are two camps here as there are in a few cases. Delphi was certainly and is, another one.

It happens. We will all agree on some and not on others. I mean really, so what...?

 

[Tresir]

If that was the case, the time stamps would have been reversed. How did the time stamps get oriented correctly but the video get reversed? Impossible. That's not how it works. The time stamps are part of the video. If one gets reversed, all gets reversed. I'm not sure how you don't follow that fact.

The time stamps on the altered video are also in a different color than what the video records... All in testimony.

Because i watched and read about it and the DVR technicalities, which explained it.

Even if it is reversed it makes no difference to the video anyway.

 

[Guess Who]

you seem very upset with all the exclamation marks and all. don't listen to me but just suggesting everyone calm down. this case is not in any of our back yards and involves no one any of us know personally so it shouldn't have hot heads and should be able to be discussed and not forced with anyone's opinion. And that is just my tired opinion. I am beyond tired and so probably saying things in a tired state.

It's not opinion. That is not how they work for real. You have security cameras so you should know that's not how they work.

 

[Guess Who]

Digital media can not "accidentally" be reversed, too. These aren't the old VCR tapes that still works have had to be manipulated to be reversed. Audi of the video is reversed, EVERY thing gets reversed.

 

[Tresir]

How is it reversed when the video isn't reversed but isn't when the original video that was turned in does??? By your theory, when they reversed the video in the correct orientation as it should have been, then the time stamps you claim "it's how the cameras work" would have not been inverted. Do you not listen to yourself???

I thought you understood what happened with the video but it sounds like you don't follow it at all. I will find a link for you if you want.

 

[Regina]

Yet it was never written down on why part of the investigation. No witness statements or investigative notes. None.

As I recall, only the lead paramedic wrote a report but it's a report that pertains only to patient care.
As for responding officers, they had a medical emergency and three women who knew him but hadn't witnessed what happened.
It's when witnesses were interviewed later that what Read said was documented.

 

[Tresir]

Digital media can not "accidentally" be reversed, too. These aren't the old VCR tapes that still works have had to be manipulated to be reversed. Audi of the video is reversed, EVERY thing gets reversed.

You pretty much defeat your own argument in this one.

There are two video cameras in the SallyPort. One records a reverse image, one doesn't, as i understand it.

Stop getting your knickers in a twist.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's not opinion. That is not how they work for real. You have security cameras so you should know that's not how they work.

My security cameras and property are gone. Even so, I was not remarking to that, at all. I was remarking to your upset. And just saying I think we can all be calm and discuss sh*t.

I was never good at my cameras if you want to flip the subject. I had to contact the ones who put them up and had access and knew security cams countless times. I drove them nuts I am sure... One night I swore to God the home was on fire but it was just a motion light that came on. I had to be taught a spider building a web on the lens was not some bigger thing on the property going on. I also had to learn although I was to have live time coverage that my internet there did not always allow for that.

But again you are changing the subject. My post or response was not about the video. It was about just calming down and you changed the subject.

I don't talk on what I am not up on and back when I knew about the video but don't recall. I know I dismissed what you think and I know if I do that, there was a reason. I have not talked of it recently as I don't recall and I won't talk if I don't know what I am talking of.

My post had nothing to do with the video. It was about calming down. And that's all.

It is pretty clear you are pretty personally invested in this one. I get it, I have those cases too. This isn't one for me but I have them. Morphew would be one of mine. Nothing and no one is ever going to tell me or convince me he did not kill his wife. I don't care if they find someone else, NOPE. No way, no how. HE DID IT.

Clearly you are very over in this one. We all have them. Or most of us do. However, others do not always agree. In some we are all on the same page, in some we are not. That's not unusual. I happen to disagree that Karen did not kill him... All the other **** is the other ****. It doesn't change that for me. I'm not in here a lot but I'm not lacking on knowing the case and I watched more of the trial than I think some here I won't name did or who did not watch any but opine loudly.

Anyhow my post was only about calming down. We are all good people and I'd hope you'd agree on that. Even if we differ at times.

 

[Guess Who]

As I recall, only the lead paramedic wrote a report but it's a report that pertains only to patient care.
As for responding officers, they had a medical emergency and three women who knew him but hadn't witnessed what happened.
It's when witnesses were interviewed later that what Read said was documented.

Yet they never recorded them saying that in their witness interviews (video or written) nor wrote that very important info on their notes in any way? How is it possible that very important info was never documented? And this was supposed to be an investigation into the possible murder of a fellow officer??? Make that make sense.

 

[Guess Who]

You pretty much defeat your own argument in this one.

There are two video cameras in the SallyPort. One records a reverse image, one doesn't, as i understand it.

Stop getting your knickers in a twist.

Show where it is said that one camera records in reverse. That never came out in court and it makes absolutely no sense in doing that and leaving it that way when it's used in investigations.

 

[Guess Who]

My security cameras and property are gone. Even so, I was not remarking to that, at all. I was remarking to your upset. And just saying I think we can all be calm and discuss sh*t.

I was never good at my cameras if you want to flip the subject. I had to contact the ones who put them up and had access and knew security cams countless times. I drove them nuts I am sure... One night I swore to God the home was on fire but it was just a motion light that came on. I had to be taught a spider building a web on the lens was not some bigger thing on the property going on. I also had to learn although I was to have live time coverage that my internet there did not always allow for that.

But again you are changing the subject. My post or response was not about the video. It was about just calming down and you changed the subject.

I don't talk on what I am not up on and back when I knew about the video but don't recall. I know I dismissed what you think and I know if I do that, there was a reason. I have not talked of it recently as I don't recall and I won't talk if I don't know what I am talking of.

My post had nothing to do with the video. It was about calming down. And that's all.

It is pretty clear you are pretty personally invested in this one. I get it, I have those cases too. This isn't one for me but I have them. Morphew would be one of mine. Nothing and no one is ever going to tell me or convince me he did not kill his wife. I don't care if they find someone else, NOPE. No way, no how. HE DID IT.

Clearly you are very over in this one. We all have them. Or most of us do. However, others do not always agree. In some we are all on the same page, in some we are not. That's not unusual. I happen to disagree that Karen did not kill him... All the other ** is the other **. It doesn't change that for me. I'm not in here a lot but I'm not lacking on knowing the case and I watched more of the trial than I think some here I won't name did or who did not watch any but opine loudly.

Anyhow my post was only about calming down. We are all good people and I'd hope you'd agree on that. Even if we differ at times.

I suggest the ones that refuse to learn what happened in court quite arguing about what actually happened in court.

 

[Regina]

Yet they never recorded them saying that in their witness interviews (video or written) nor wrote that very important info on their notes in any way? How is it possible that very important info was never documented? And this was supposed to be an investigation into the possible murder of a fellow officer??? Make that make sense.

I don't think investigators were asked if it was in their investigative notes or reports.
I know the defence implied through other witness testimony that it wasn't, in other words, they'd ask a witness "if you told him that, do you know why it wouldn't be in his report?"
It's a defense tactic.

 

[Tresir]

Show where it is said that one camera records in reverse. That never came out in court and it makes absolutely no sense in doing that and leaving it that way when it's used in investigations.

All SallyPort exits/entrances have to have cameras so there may even be a third one if there is a third entrance/exit. I believe it is because this is where prisoners are brought in and out.

You can look upthread to find the info or Google. Did you even know there was more than one camera?

 

[Tresir]

I suggest the ones that refuse to learn what happened in court quite arguing about what actually happened in court.

Well that would include you too then if you didn't know about the additional camera. You are being disingenous now. You do not make the rules about what we watch or post. And you would have to include Emu who has admitted he watched Court TV 2 hours a day for his source. We are allowed to use whatever sources we wish for coverage.

 

[Regina]

No they do not! Anybody that actually works with security video will tell you the same.

How is it reversed when the video isn't reversed but isn't when the original video that was turned in does??? By your theory, when they reversed the video in the correct orientation as it should have been, then the time stamps you claim "it's how the cameras work" would have not been inverted. Do you not listen to yourself???

I'm saying that the video is a mirrored image but the timestamp is not; when the video is reversed, so is the timestamp.

 

[Tresir]

Hopefully it is sinking in now. It took me a while to understand. But I have seen video from the other side of the Sallyport too.

 

[Regina]

Hopefully it is sinking in now. It took me a while to understand. But I have seen video from the other side of the Sallyport too.

There's testimony of a camera located on the other side of the Sallyport but that the video was grainy.

 

[Tresir]

Show where it is said that one camera records in reverse. That never came out in court and it makes absolutely no sense in doing that and leaving it that way when it's used in investigations.

You will have to do your own research and look for it. That's what I have been told to do, multiple times, when i have asked questions or for a link. I researched the Sallyport and what they are. I am done providing links on here from now on, unless others reciprocate.

 

[Tresir]

There's testimony of a camera located on the other side of the Sallyport but that the video was grainy.

I havent watched enough of it to be able to say that but it could be the case. I have some opinions about it but cannot confirm much for now. Also, it isn't worth it till we know the appeal result and what charges are being refiled. Appreciate you confirming it though.