Yeah, maybe. I can't say all is rock solid. Not over yet but seems it isn't depending on how jurors see it. Not sure about all. There are cases I say count on the jury and others worry and Daybell is one. I am not saying that here if you notice. I do in many. And I don't mean the jury can't be counted on, what I mean is yes, they may see reasonable doubt or some may. Again case isn't over nor all witnesses yet up but based on what isn't the case, but what is known and talked of that is known, it may not be rock solid. However, much of that comes from a defense info flooding campaign and so I do wait to see what all there is.Nothing has to clear Karen; reasonable doubt though?
Exactly! There is so much doubt that these guys created themselves. All of the "butt dialing", deleted calls, texts, etc all of the non investigating of nearly any basic thing. They have made the doubt themselves. I can't answer who did what for sure at all and would have to find her not guilty by that alone.Nothing has to clear Karen; reasonable doubt though?
Believe it or not, I agree with every bit of this. Not sure about the last part if enough exists to find her guilty or not despite that but every bit you said before that yes they caused. I DO think she did it but they caused the less than solid case at least where their part is concerned in many respects. There are experts and such to be heard yet and all but I have never disagreed that this bunch has not done things or done some that don't help but again I'd include Karen as part of that kind of bunch until it split. She would do similar too and probably did.Exactly! There is so much doubt that these guys created themselves. All of the "butt dialing", deleted calls, texts, etc all of the non investigating of nearly any basic thing. They have made the doubt themselves. I can't answer who did what for sure at all and would have to find her not guilty by that alone.
John had been taking care of his niece and nephew since 2013 and he dated Read for only about the last 18 mos of his life.I just NOW finished the long posts about his testimony. I had not seen it yet when I responded to yours here. Yeah, saw a lot about all the posts. She's a real loyal, faithful gf to John there isn't she... Not. Doesn't even sound like she LIKES him at that point. Yeah I heard J McCabe was very strong and not sure I will ever get time but if do, may have to watch that one.
Question, did John have his niece and nephew when he and Karen first started dating or did that happen after? Assuming he had them as she was referred to as a nanny or babysitter with benefits...
Based on your expertise, was there a search made of the same phrase at 10:33am?The search was absolutely made at 2:27. The database would log that as it happened and will not be overwritten. Apple has structured the safeguarding around a db-wal file which is where this search would have been stored.
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Yeah I THOUGHT that was the case, kids there first and not the longest relationship between them. It was a reconnect though wasn't it in the sense of he was someone she had known prior.John had been taking care of his niece and nephew since 2013 and he dated Read for only about the last 18 mos of his life.
Anyway, Read's texts with Higgins reveal that she didn't want children. (I'd already formed that impression from other testimony.)
Yeah I know and believe I did hear to which she answered "not by me".
I don't doubt it was deleted and intentionally so, I think I've said that. So did who I was watching but it still does not make Karen framed nor does it mean she didn't hit him nor there was some brawl in the home. It is NOT a good thing for the case of course and unfortunate.
The investigation was far from great.
I've said all of that.
I don't know that they will get a conviction. Hard to say although a lot of people have not been up yet, ME and more. A bit more awake now and that comes back to me.
It also isn't like McCabe is the perp and wiped her phone. All of that is yes, hard to believe was accidental. Please note, see, I said this. Lol.
Emma Daybell could actually help out here too and claim to be the one that did the Google search lol.
I'm under no illusions that she did not perhaps delete things not want seen but it does not make me think it was all about killing John and framing Karen for it for a moment.
Believe it or not, I agree with every bit of this. Not sure about the last part if enough exists to find her guilty or not despite that but every bit you said before that yes they caused. I DO think she did it but they caused the less than solid case at least where their part is concerned in many respects. There are experts and such to be heard yet and all but I have never disagreed that this bunch has not done things or done some that don't help but again I'd include Karen as part of that kind of bunch until it split. She would do similar too and probably did.
I'm not sitting in this case betting on any verdict or how it will go. If a juror though I'd be waiting for all and it isn't even close to there yet.
Yes, Karen Read's full forensic download was done on her & John O'Keefe's phone.Yeah, maybe. I can't say all is rock solid. Not over yet but seems it isn't depending on how jurors see it. Not sure about all. There are cases I say count on the jury and others worry and Daybell is one. I am not saying that here if you notice. I do in many. And I don't mean the jury can't be counted on, what I mean is yes, they may see reasonable doubt or some may. Again case isn't over nor all witnesses yet up but based on what isn't the case, but what is known and talked of that is known, it may not be rock solid. However, much of that comes from a defense info flooding campaign and so I do wait to see what all there is.
Are Karen's phone records known? Somehow I doubt it and I think they may be surprising. I have a feeling about something but just a hunch and probably wrong. Also what of John's phone? Anything of last use or moments? it was on him I assume? Probably I've read, heard or know this but do not recall or maybe not. Again the Ps in cases don't share their stuff while the D has an open floor to put out into the public just their stuff selectively. I dislike this intensely. Same in Delphi. It needs to change.
10:33? I haven't heard any testimony regarding a search done at this time. Will you elaborate or provide context as to where this information is?Based on your expertise, was there a search made of the same phrase at 10:33am?
They haven't been presented in court yet.Actually I am wondering about Read's phone records... Do we have them?
Right, (and her hysteria continued at the hospital) but my point was that the officers on the scene that morning hadn't jumped to conclusions about anything or anyone.Yes she was a hysterical hindrance. Ended up in psych eval.
Well, the defense didn't point it out (lol!) but it was on the record that they presented on cross on day 16.10:33? I haven't heard any testimony regarding a search done at this time. Will you elaborate or provide context as to where this information is?
As someone who hasn’t been following super closely, I found this short TikTok video explanation of relationships and current evidence presented very helpful.
I never said they were saying she killed him. I know of the "fight" theory and that is what I refer to and I don't buy it.Nobody is saying Jen McCabe killed O'Keefe. They are saying she knows what happened and helped with the cover up. The defense was angling at that someone in her family killed O'Keefe, and she was helping to cover it up. I've heard her called a strong witness as well, but there's no getting around the 2a.m. search.
The undisputed search for "How long does it take to die in the cold" was definitely made at 2a.m. (Thanks @kdg411 for the expertise.) That's the entire case right there. The 2a.m. search says it all. She Googled that long before O'Keefe was dead.
So she was cool as a cucumber then you believe? That would be strange as well.The testimony about Karen's demeanor on the phone is strictly on the testimony of Mr. and Mrs. McCabe. Both of them are suspected of being involved in the cover up and heard the call together.
Okay and is it KNOWN to Joe Public? Or as most prosecutions do, evidence and investigation has been kept quiet as to what is contained in such. The defense isn't going to have publicly shared anything that would actually hurt her in any records and for sure not from hers.Yes, Karen Read's full forensic download was done on her & John O'Keefe's phone.
So the public doesn't know the full extent of what is in their phone records yet and never been shared?They haven't been presented in court yet.
Right, (and her hysteria continued at the hospital) but my point was that the officers on the scene that morning hadn't jumped to conclusions about anything or anyone.
So what is it you were able to see? That there was a search at that time and it was a search for the same or what? Curious.Well, the defense didn't point it out (lol!) but it was on the record that they presented on cross on day 16.
It's at about the first hour of testimony and being that the attorney continually moves the paper around, I think there's only one brief opportunity to see it. Lol!
Since I've been watching the trial, I haven't watched any videos including TikTok and stopped reading articles or tweets. (I don't think I've ever seen so much bias surrounding a case.)As someone who hasn’t been following super closely, I found this short TikTok video explanation of relationships and current evidence presented very helpful.