The charges against Karen Read are part of a long history of corruption. IMO, she is being framed & it's appalling to our justice system.
For an intense deep dive I suggest the following link.
13thjurorpodcast.com
It is good to hear an opinion of someone else and it means something that it comes from you as well. Nice to see you.
I don't know if I will get the chance to watch the above, but hope to at some point.
I have watched a lot on this, plenty in fact, and linked at several here from at least two different sources and the latest one is all in the direction you are talking, with all of the reasons for it, solid, valid ones. So it isn't like it isn't like I haven't looked at it that way nor heard all the reasons. I even know of the recent ruling of releasing communications between agencies.
I'd even say there is is plenty to be torn in either way on like a 50/50 possibility and that's one reason I think both sides should give and dispose of this with a deal but it is too far gone where neither is going to imo.
I also think there's much that was done wrong, things that weren't done, and people who weren't questioned and should have been and more, and yes, some corrupt ones more than likely in this.
I also think every cop or official or power that is/was that went to this party that night and drove, if having drank all night should be fired and charged with DUI but that's not going to happen. Including her, but of course she is charged, with worse.
This certainly isn't one I can weight to a high percent, it is far more in the middle area but since much is kind of even, it comes down to for me, that early on, she thought she did hit him and she never really thought otherwise, was cooperative I believe, until she found out how harshly she was going to be charged. I also find the other scenario pretty out there quite honestly, what was the reason, and it would take a whole lot of people keeping mouths shut and having no problem framing someone they I wouldn't think had any reason or wish to see framed? I don't know. A fight. Placing him outside, where she would have dropped him off or making that fit, etc., etc., etc. It is quite a leap to me whereas a simple accident with someone also drunk who actually dropped him off and then she did go to leave AND that she thought she DID DO, or believed, makes a whole lot more sense.
Now from thereon and what went on and has went on, yeah, and what they've done since and so on, a lot of wrong and questionable. I am talking more as to what I believe truly happened than I am about whether they have a case, should have a case, or developed the case in any honest way and so forth. And I think she hit him. They've blown it though, and the investigation, and yes, there is a lot of corrupt, and because they blew it they should throw it out or deal but there will be no deal, there may have been back when had they not went after her far more seriously than she expected. That too is fact is it not? That's when it all changed on her part/defense. That to me can't be ignored.
So yeah, I can say they blew any justice and need to throw it out AND yes, they need to be investigated many of them and be out of jobs. Not because she didn't do it, accidentally of course, but because of what they did since and the corruption some have in their jobs in general.
Tell me this, what was their beef with her, that they set out from the start to frame her if you believe she did not accidentally hit him? Why frame HER? I guess I haven't heard this part or don't recall, but wasn't she one of them at least in the sense she was his partner right up until then and they knew her as his loved one and considered the both of them friends, at least to some buddies in the dept. and others? Did they have a beef with her that night and then a fight and beef with John too and someone killed him? Forgive me if I have his name wrong, think I have it right, but he is hardly even mentioned.
The fact you think this holds a lot of weight with me. And I sure don't know.
And there is a ton they have shown about this investigation and people in power. I don't disagree with that ONE BIT. And house needs to be cleaned big time. I don't disagree with that either.
I guess I am more at what more likely happened and she didn't dispute until later and I do feel she hit him.
HOWEVER, there are a lot of things with all that has resulted that need to be looked at. Okay defense claims a fight at the party, John beat up or killed or whatever then dumped outside to fit her hitting him and her being then framed. Well I guess all partygoers and far more need to be talked to and this claimed scenario seriously looked into and the whys, the who and more.
I don't know.
What I do know is at a level I'd say also she and him felt immune as many in the system do with their "buddies" as to they can drink, drive and party and even drink in public showing the rest of society they don't have to worry. That is corrupt too on a level isn't it? It goes on most everywhere USA. I'm sure they felt if anything happened or a pullover, theky'd know the cop or whoever and the ticket would go away and so on. Well actually there'd be no ticket. That isn't perhaps at a level of a framing of someone who hit no one (which I am not convinced of that she didn't) but it is the same kind of thing where they are part of the bunch and expert to be immune and they love it when they are but not when they are not. He was hit and he was theirs and she wasn't...
I think she expected not such severe charges and to cooperate and be treated as one of them BUT this was their guy dead, she was but a gf and they were idiots to overcharge it... Probably expected to be treated like the son of the coach in KC, the AG in SD or have some help but she KILLED one of theirs and she was not the COP, she was not the AG and she was not connected.
One could go another way on this, she decided not to attend the party for some reason and she dropped or dumped him off and was drunk too and could have well hit him intentionally and they were arguing. They could have not went out, not went to the party, went home, stayed home and not been a part of this bunch to begin with. I don't mean that as blame, I mean it as theya re of the same circle and when it helped them out, it was probably great.
I don't know. I don't deny the clear corruption, I don't know that I buy something else happened to him and they set out to frame her for something she didn't do I guess dials it more in. Once they knew she did it I believe they used any corrupt means or some may have to shore up their case ONCE she later started fight it. That's more what I mean or where I lean.
I don't have any defense of those that were doing wrong here at all. Many of them were that night just with the drinking and driving including this couple.
I'm open though, I certainly am not a hundred percent or even 70 but the sticking factor for me is all of it in the beginning when most likely that part was all the simple facts and she thought she did it as well. That's a big part of my sticking point.
And I think he and her too thought themselves to be somewhat elite and protected at that local buddy buddy cop level and local official level... Immune. And she found out otherwise when it comes to when something happens amongst them all... and one of theirs is dead.
I'd welcome your input if I have any of it wrong. Even though I don't get much time, I love case discussions and do not get enough.
I don't disagree one bit on what some of this bunch has done with regard to making this case. I do think though she hit him. Otherwise I'd like to see anything that even hints at some fight at a party that night, taking his dead body outside and framing her and why anyone had it in for him... I mean they could have FRAMED ANYONE, not his gf and taken him elsewhere and of course so many would have to be in on that part and silent. So why'd they have it in for both him and her?
NICE TO SEE YOU and even more tickled to see you on a case.
I don't know if I can come up with the way to put it here. But they need to yes, drop the case, they blew it. Personally I think they have it right early on but Even IF she did it when you have corrupt people that things can be found out about, it doesn't work and they need to clean house I agree. I agree with all of that. It makes me think of so many cases and people and when it happens amongst those all feeling special immunity because of who they are from the local cop on up to the party hosts and something happens, then that's when things go south. Nope I don't have the words, I wish I did, to explain what I mean right now.
I really don't disagree with most any of it, other than I do think she hit him. Otherwise I'd like to see things turn to explaining some fight and why happening at the party and the framing and why and so on and all the partygoers present have to speak to that whether it is ludicrous and never happened or yes they saw it. There's nothing is far as I've ever seen to indicate that is true?
Anyhow it gets the brain going and did, and I have watched a lot but it doesn't mean I retain it all as not a top case of mine but love discussion. Is there anything that would be my one big question to indicate a fight that night that killed him and people hauling him outside to the area she dropped him off? I'd like to look at that angle. Where does that come from other than supposition for a defense?
I believe in the corruption. I believe they tried to make their case as to what likely really did happen in not the right way. I detest all of that. I don't know that I believe she didn't hit him. House definitely needs to be cleaned and if they were still together and he alive that would include them imo, special enough you can drink and drive with what you feel to be immunity. At a lower level of course by far than serious corruption but he was a cop, did he ever do any of what is alleged here, stick with the others.... Frame anyone. Help make a case they KNOW the perp did it by not the best means. Listen to those above that said do this or that...
Kind of like some Hollywood cases to me or cases with people in power whether little local power up to bigger power... Oftentimes everyone in them, even the victims, aren't saints. None of us are but here we have cops and powers framing their buddy's gf who they also partied with, also allegedly beating up cop buddy and killing him and so on...
Who is who in this. Was HE, the victim, the type that would have joined in this framing of someone? Seriously. He was one of them and a cop. His gf accidentally killed him, they went up in arms and they overdid it imo. She felt somewhat immune, her bf certainly did but when it came down to it, of course she wasn't and they STUPIDLY decided to make a big example of her and overcharge her when she could tell some dirty probably local secrets just to begin with...
I guess what it boils down to for me is I believe most of it and they need to take out most but I do believe she hit him. That's really what I mean. They had something happen that wouldn't be ignored by the public, in a yard or close by of someone major as the homeownern/party hosts with a cop who died, hit by his gf. When cronies have something happen, bigger scale Murdaugh, then all worry their shi*t will come out.
I'm talking more about what really happened. I'd like to hear any reason for the alternative theory the defense put up.
And I have to wonder if some other cop was found dead that night and there was a fight at this party would the victim have been part of the bunch framing his gf....?
I guess that's part of it for me.
Sorry I've rambled. I don' do this one much but you got me thinking about it and was tickled to see you. It is John isn't it for the name? If it was another couple, would he have helped do this same thing? Save whoever beat his BUDDY up at a party and blame the buddy's gf? And frame her?
That's where my problem lies. It doesn't like with whether there is corruption amongst a lot here, to still doesn't mean it isn't what happened...
I just think she did it. Unintentionally. I'd hope.
for that, but I haven't heard much about it. This info came out a few weeks ago. How recent is this video.
www.nbcboston.com
www.cbsnews.com
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