LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *GUILTY*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]

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Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]


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It was just that you said ' I will likely be back but guess this is kind of an ending post.' which was why i asked that at the time.

Glad you are back though.
Yeah I probably don't hang onto or pay as much attention to the appeals parts of cases. Just like in Maxwell, just not all that interested. I care about the outcome but as far as following every part of it, not so much. At least not as much as following the case through case, arrest, then trial.
 
Just starting to watch. The defense has certainly been making the rounds everywhere which I watched one of and could care less to watch others of so putting up one of the other side. Again I have not watched it yet.

 
Becky Patty is on Gray Hughes!! I just ran into it and it is already 77 minutes in so I am going to have to rewatch but am going to watch the rest now. The family said they'd probably speak after the holidays. Here is the link.

 
I watched the remainder. I am going to have to go back and watch all. It is about time the SANE side talks. I hope they keep doing it and that any prosecutor or LE does the same, a LOT, that CAN anyhow without it affecting appeals or anything.

It all makes so much more sense than the other b.s. and always has to me. And they talked of some of that and how ridiculous some of what they claim is and was and WHY.
 
I watched the remainder. I am going to have to go back and watch all. It is about time the SANE side talks. I hope they keep doing it and that any prosecutor or LE does the same, a LOT, that CAN anyhow without it affecting appeals or anything.

It all makes so much more sense than the other b.s. and always has to me. And they talked of some of that and how ridiculous some of what they claim is and was and WHY.
Yeah i just watched it. Becky is on from approx timestamp 20 minutes until 56 minutes. I didn't watch the other stuff. Most interesting comment is that RA kept staring at them whenever they walked by him and even turned around to stare at them. She said Baldwin had to nudge him and get him to stop.

The other thing mentioned was the supposed phone jack being inserted and then later being removed and she discusses that the D thought that was so significant. The Judge called a 10 minute recess and the P came on and said that dampness in the jack socket and then the drying out can cause that. He was asked how he knew that and said he googled it during the recess LOL.

She also discusses Libby's leggings/jeans subject and some other sweatshirts/clothing questions/hair issues.

Worth the watch.
 
Yeah i just watched it. Becky is on from approx timestamp 20 minutes until 56 minutes. I didn't watch the other stuff. Most interesting comment is that RA kept staring at them whenever they walked by him and even turned around to stare at them. She said Baldwin had to nudge him and get him to stop.

The other thing mentioned was the supposed phone jack being inserted and then later being removed and she discusses that the D thought that was so significant. The Judge called a 10 minute recess and the P came on and said that dampness in the jack socket and then the drying out can cause that. He was asked how he knew that and said he googled it during the recess LOL.

She also discusses Libby's leggings/jeans subject and some other sweatshirts/clothing questions/hair issues.

Worth the watch.
I thought so but I don't understand your time stamp. When I found the show and that she was on it was 77 MINUTES in and she was on and on for another I don't know 1/2 hour to hour yet after that so how can it be 20 minutes to 56 minutes??

It was worth the watch but I still have to go back and watch the beginning, I may well watch the whole thing again. Gray and guests went on for some time after Becky left so the entire thing is longer than just Becky on there but he is going to separate just her part today and put it up separately.

I hope she keeps talking and that anyone on the P side that can does and gets out there and does so as the other side is total nonsense and it's time this side be heard.
 

Juror in Delphi murders trial talks about historic case​

For the first time, a juror in the Delphi double murder trial of Richard Allen is talking and explaining what led to her vote to find Allen guilty of the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German near the Monon High Bridge in February 2017.

The juror, who spoke on the condition of keeping her identity secret, was interviewed by Aine Cain and Kevin Greenlee of the Murder Sheet podcast.

”This juror actually reached out to us and was willing to discuss her experience at the trial with us,” said Cain. ”I think a lot of them had no idea what they were in for.”


”They found Prosecutor Nick McLeland to be well prepared, ingratiating and charming,” said Greenlee. “On the other hand, the lead attorney for the defense, Bradley Rozzi, they found him to be arrogant and somewhat off putting.”

The juror said she was put off by Rozzi’s statement during jury selection that he would attempt to “dumb down” a concept for the jury candidates and his questioning of one potential juror’s mental capacity.

The woman said some of the jurors stared down Allen in the courtroom as he looked at them.

”He just has some weird eyes,” the juror said. “I don’t think that makes him a murderer. I would kind of like refrain from looking over there, I guess, because any time we made eye contact, I would just look away really fast. A couple of the other jurors would talk about how he was always staring at us, so they would start staring back and not looking away until he did.”


The juror said she favored the State’s clear, logical presentation of the case.

”A lot of the time, I don’t think we got that with the defense,” she said. “It seemed scrambled, confused, not knowing what they’re gonna do next.”

There were times when the State seemed caught off guard, said the juror, such as when its expert couldn’t account for the activation on Libby’s cell phone found under Abby’s body or whether Allen’s car was the only black Ford Focus cruising around Carroll County in the winter of 2017.

”When we asked the jury question, ‘Did you look and see how many cars there were of this car that year?’ and the next thing we know, they looked that up. I was just like, ‘I can’t believe you wouldn’t have thought to do that already.’”

Greenlee said the jurors dismissed the testimony of Sarah Carbaugh who became combative with Baldwin under cross examination of her account of seeing the suspected killer, Bridge Guy, walking along a nearby county road after the murders.

But another witness on the trail leading up to the bridge that day was found to be more credible, said Greenlee.

”In particular, she singled out the testimony of Railly Vorheis, who saw Bridge Guy, or Richard Allen, on the trails that day. She pointed out that she described seeing Richard Allen and describing him wearing the clothes that Richard Allen acknowledged he was wearing and at the same time Richard Allen, who authorities described seeing her. If these two people are at the scene at that time, how can Bridge Guy be anyone other than Richard Allen?”

The juror said it was often Allen’s own statements to investigators and his confessions that convinced her of his guilt and generated agreement during deliberations.

“Richard Allen says he was there at that time window. He said what he was wearing and it was the same clothes as Bridge Guy. So, once you get to that, there’s really no disputing that Richard Allen is Bridge Guy. That’s what I think we got to first. Does anyone disagree that Richard Allen is Bridge Guy? No one did. You really can’t. So, if he’s Bridge Guy, how do we know if he was the kidnapper and murderer? After realizing he’s Bridge Guy it was pretty easy to add all of those things together. But really just things that he reported himself is really what got me closer to guilty.”

The jury deliberated for 19.5 hours over the course of four days.

The juror said the second day the jury took its first vote, coming down 9-0-3 leaning toward a guilty verdict.


After Allen was sentenced to 130 years in prison, Indiana State Police Superintendent Doug Carter said he came to the realization that a jury’s verdict was based on the evidence presented in the courtroom, not the full scope of the case known to investigators.

Podcaster Cain agreed.

”I think it’s fair to say, if we’re really looking at this, that they really got what was important, and it’s important for all of us to kind of remember that there can be a lot of chatter online, but at the end of the day, it can really only matter what is presented in the courtroom and the performances of the attorneys in the courtroom and the rulings of the judge in the courtroom.”


MORE AT LINK
 
Wow. It's worth reading the link where there is more. I have a lot to say but it really speaks for itself.

The remark at the link about the people out there who hero worship the defense and RA is very apt and they get upset if anyone is not on board with that and harass.

It's pretty clear what this juror thought of the defense and Rozzi's arrogance. I still think they should be disbarred and I'm not kidding.

They saw exactly the truth as most who haven't fallen for the defense stuff have imo always been able to see. They didn't even consider the bullet evidence so that's interesting, nor did they need it.

I've kept this to myself waiting until after trial, but I personally have always doubted Carbaugh saw RA. It just did not fit in. It is clear she truly was on the road as her car was seen on video. Without her account, he had a lot more time even than always figured. And I see they dismissed her. I've never said it throughout because it had not been to trial but it just never really added up to me. These are some smart jurors, very smart imo.

And she did say the prosecution should of course have known how many of the same type of car was on the road in the county, etc.

Despite it all, the facts are there, they always have been.

She has now seen probably most of the stuff online and even learning of all the defense claims, it sways her not at all. Imo it is because what they claim has NEVER added up, it was simply a blizzard that some fell for that I still can't figure out why.

They are out there making more rounds than anyone on every show under the sun, with ridiculous stuff still imo, but getting their attention aren't they. The D attorneys are so full of themselves as she found Rozzi (for good reason with things he said) and she found them unprepared and not organized, etc. and I personally have always found them very full of themselves for no good reason.

That's my opinion and it seems as if the jury seemed to find the same.

I could go on but why. The juror said it all. AND it sounds like she was one of the undecided ones so she definitely weighed things.

I'll end this with saying anyone who has not watched Becky Patty should. I didn't want to but did watch one of the defense things and linked one.

Whether one things RA guilty or innocent, Becky and the rest still lost these girls NO MATTER who did it and have been unable to speak until now and deserve to be heard imo. I can't make anyone but they are still victims no matter who one thinks is guilty and should be heard. She has only spoken once but I hope they all will continue to do so.
 
I thought so but I don't understand your time stamp. When I found the show and that she was on it was 77 MINUTES in and she was on and on for another I don't know 1/2 hour to hour yet after that so how can it be 20 minutes to 56 minutes??

It was worth the watch but I still have to go back and watch the beginning, I may well watch the whole thing again. Gray and guests went on for some time after Becky left so the entire thing is longer than just Becky on there but he is going to separate just her part today and put it up separately.

I hope she keeps talking and that anyone on the P side that can does and gets out there and does so as the other side is total nonsense and it's time this side be heard.
The video you posted - the whole thing is 4 hours long. Becky is on only from 20 minutes in to approx the 1 hour point only. I didnt watch the whole 4 hours.
 
The video you posted - the whole thing is 4 hours long. Becky is on only from 20 minutes in to approx the 1 hour point only. I didnt watch the whole 4 hours.
I didn't get a chance to take a look, I only know when I started watching it was 77 minutes in and she was on and on for some time after that. Maybe he edited something after, not sure if they can do that but clearly it must be something like that. Yesterday he was going to separate her part and put it up separately from his "after talk" and such. I was going to find it and link it but never did get around to it.
 
Okay, here is the full Becky Patty interview and it is 1.5 hours long.


Ok well i am not sure what happened. There was a section in what i watched where he lost her for a while in the middle.

I won't watch it again because a lot of it is him pontificating anyway.

Maybe he had her back on again for a while in the 3 hour section i didnt watch and now he has spliced it together, i dont know but i dont have 3 hours to spare to watch the rest of it.
 
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Ok well i am not sure what happened. There was a section in what i watched where he lost her for a while in the middle.

I won't watch it again because a lot of it is him pontificating anyway.

Maybe he had her back on again for a while in the 3 hour section i didnt watch and now he has spliced it together, i dont know but i dont have 3 hours to spare to watch the rest of it.
This is JUST the part with her on. All his alone stuff is not on it, and the only part he said he took out is where he lost her for a bit, he edited that, and another thing like that, otherwise it's the full "interview" or talk with her. Hey, I haven't even went back and watched it all yet lol. I will later though, this clean cut part with just her on it.

As far as him, yeah, if he didn't do like four hour shows I'd maybe watch him more but no way when I see that length on almost all of his am I watching. And then only about one out of ten times is he not being a total arse where I can even stand him lol. However, any show the family members trust and decide to be on I am probably going to watch if they are on. And I guess I will say that Gray is totally RA did this, and not once fell into the stupid D sh*t. I'll give him that much.
 
This is JUST the part with her on. All his alone stuff is not on it, and the only part he said he took out is where he lost her for a bit, he edited that, and another thing like that, otherwise it's the full "interview" or talk with her. Hey, I haven't even went back and watched it all yet lol. I will later though, this clean cut part with just her on it.

As far as him, yeah, if he didn't do like four hour shows I'd maybe watch him more but no way when I see that length on almost all of his am I watching. And then only about one out of ten times is he not being a total arse where I can even stand him lol. However, any show the family members trust and decide to be on I am probably going to watch if they are on. And I guess I will say that Gray is totally RA did this, and not once fell into the stupid D sh*t. I'll give him that much.
Completely agree. I just don't want to have to rewatch what i have seen already and cannot determine which part of the "new" video i have seen unless i watch the whole 1 and a half hour new one. Which i am not going to do just to be able to find the bit i have missed. It's just not worth it.
 
Completely agree. I just don't want to have to rewatch what i have seen already and cannot determine which part of the "new" video i have seen unless i watch the whole 1 and a half hour new one. Which i am not going to do just to be able to find the bit i have missed. It's just not worth it.
I understand completely. I'm watching the whole thing again now and will probably come across close to 45 minutes to an hour maybe I've already seen but then I've kind of run out of things to watch lol so it isn't a big deal to me at the moment and can't do much else these days yet.
 
Well I just finished rewatching it all. It was long but I did catch all the parts I hadn't seen.

Here is an interview first one I believe of Nick McLeland. I probably spelled wrong. He does not think much of YTers I believe and he did it with the Carol County Comet.

 
Well I just finished rewatching it all. It was long but I did catch all the parts I hadn't seen.

Here is an interview first one I believe of Nick McLeland. I probably spelled wrong. He does not think much of YTers I believe and he did it with the Carol County Comet.

Pretty interesting interview. The jury certainly didn't miss much and came to the right verdict. RA had a lot of issues by the sound of it.
 
Pretty interesting interview. The jury certainly didn't miss much and came to the right verdict. RA had a lot of issues by the sound of it.
I only got through part of it and then daughter picked me up to take me to a doctor's appt. Still have to finish but what I had read was quite interesting.
 
I just finished it. Very good article and interview and comments by him. So nice to read something sane, logical and without looking for fanfare. Finally. Imo of course. Been a long time coming.
 
I understand completely. I'm watching the whole thing again now and will probably come across close to 45 minutes to an hour maybe I've already seen but then I've kind of run out of things to watch lol so it isn't a big deal to me at the moment and can't do much else these days yet.
I think i have worked it out and i have seen all of the Becky video. On the original GH video, it was from the 20 minute mark to the 1 hour 53 minute mark approx, so i did see all the 1.5 hours. I just got the ending time stamp wrong. So the Becky section is about one and a half hours long. Which agrees with the length of the second video you posted. Sorry to have confused the timings like that
 
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