MO LISA IRWIN: Missing from Kansas City, MO - 3 Oct 2011 - Age 10 months

Guess Who · Friday at 6:49 PM

askfornina said:
I laughed out loud at this. Much needed levity as I spent much of my watch time near tears!

This is verbatim the facebook post. I have a screenshot but not sure if that is allowed here.

This is the video you are looking for:

I'm a bit confused on why you don't think they saw a baby. She very clearly describes that it was, in fact, a baby without hesitation or ambiguity. She describes the positioning of the head, legs and arms.

She speaks in this video as well.

Just FYI, we can post nearly anything here.

Guess Who · Friday at 7:07 PM

askfornina said:
I laughed out loud at this. Much needed levity as I spent much of my watch time near tears!

This is verbatim the facebook post. I have a screenshot but not sure if that is allowed here.

This is the video you are looking for:

I'm a bit confused on why you don't think they saw a baby. She very clearly describes that it was, in fact, a baby without hesitation or ambiguity. She describes the positioning of the head, legs and arms.

She speaks in this video as well.

Per 2nd video...Shane was not a teen! and did not "shout down the street" because they were next door to each other :rofl:

Guess Who · Friday at 7:22 PM

Another thing in the 2nd video is that it was unusually warm that day and it was not shocking that their window was open. It was absolutely beautiful out and even my windows were open all night that night and why we were awakened by all the traffic in our usually very quiet area and then the helicopters all over. Then we find out most of us had our windows open that night. While the low looks cold, it wasn't that temp for long. It didn't start cooling off until way into the night and immediately started warming back up in the morning.

Also, Steve Young was not ever the police chief. He was only a media spokesman for KCPD. He was fired shortly after, too.

askfornina · Friday at 7:24 PM

Kimster said:
It seemed to me the first in thing he really stated strongly. I’m hoping there is some fact in there. Usually perps will blame everybody but the moon. I would’ve expected him to blame Deborah.

One thing that struck me about the interview is he seemed to be pretty knowledgeable about the case, 14 years later, as if he was following it. He even mentioned watching a special about it. I guess either way you look at it whether he was involved or not his name is involved, so it would make sense for him to keep up with it. Honestly, the interview was not what I was expecting. I expected to come away feeling like his statements were totally untruthful and suspicious. Instead, I felt he was pretty straightforward most of the time. I'm no statement analysis expert but just purely based on the vibe of the whole thing, he seemed much more believable than I thought he would. I'm not saying I don't think he knows more or that he wasn't involved, just that I didn't get the feeling I was expecting. MW's interview was much more blatantly suspicious, which is also not really what I was expecting.

With that being said though, two of his comments really bothered me. The first was the whole business with telling Cyndi Short about finding three phones. He admitted he told her that, and then he admitted he was lying about it to her to make her happy. I also noticed that his account matched her account: she said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones, he said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones. The fact that he admitted to telling her about the three phones means we can be reasonably sure he actually did (I believe Cyndi anyway, but him admitting it is extra corroboration). When she spoke with him, it was much, much closer in time to Lisa's disappearance. His knowledge of what police knew and didn't know was much more limited. The stakes were much higher for him at the time. The only reason I can think of that he would have told her that is a kind of CYA in case evidence on the phones came back to him.

The other thing that bothered me was him saying he broke up with Megan about 5 months before Lisa's disappearance. MW said the same thing in this special. However, in 2011, Megan consistently said they broke up within the month before Lisa's disappearance. Why is there this discrepancy now? Both are putting distance between the breakup and the time Lisa went missing.

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If you're talking about the Texas part, I think they have the state wrong. In 2007, two months after Deborah left Fort Bragg, a woman reported her 11 month old daughter missing and popped a window screen out to stage a kidnapping. The baby was discovered in the attic of the home, deceased for quite some time. Way back when people were saying that Deborah must have orchestrated a copy cat crime because she must have heard about the Fort Bragg case. Deborah had already left Fort Bragg, which FYI is one of the largest military installations in the world, so many people moving in and out of there. There is nothing to suggest Deborah heard about the case, she was already gone. This is irrelevant to Lisa's case IMO. Sure there are some surface similarities but there are also many, many differences. Here's an article about it. Baby Lisa Case Echoes Another Missing Child

Guess Who · Friday at 7:47 PM

askfornina said:
One thing that struck me about the interview is he seemed to be pretty knowledgeable about the case, 14 years later, as if he was following it. He even mentioned watching a special about it. I guess either way you look at it whether he was involved or not his name is involved, so it would make sense for him to keep up with it. Honestly, the interview was not what I was expecting. I expected to come away feeling like his statements were totally untruthful and suspicious. Instead, I felt he was pretty straightforward most of the time. I'm no statement analysis expert but just purely based on the vibe of the whole thing, he seemed much more believable than I thought he would. I'm not saying I don't think he knows more or that he wasn't involved, just that I didn't get the feeling I was expecting. MW's interview was much more blatantly suspicious, which is also not really what I was expecting.

With that being said though, two of his comments really bothered me. The first was the whole business with telling Cyndi Short about finding three phones. He admitted he told her that, and then he admitted he was lying about it to her to make her happy. I also noticed that his account matched her account: she said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones, he said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones. The fact that he admitted to telling her about the three phones means we can be reasonably sure he actually did (I believe Cyndi anyway, but him admitting it is extra corroboration). When she spoke with him, it was much, much closer in time to Lisa's disappearance. His knowledge of what police knew and didn't know was much more limited. The stakes were much higher for him at the time. The only reason I can think of that he would have told her that is a kind of CYA in case evidence on the phones came back to him.

The other thing that bothered me was him saying he broke up with Megan about 5 months before Lisa's disappearance. MW said the same thing in this special. However, in 2011, Megan consistently said they broke up within the month before Lisa's disappearance. Why is there this discrepancy now? Both are putting distance between the breakup and the time Lisa went missing.

If you're talking about the Texas part, I think they have the state wrong. In 2007, two months after Deborah left Fort Bragg, a woman reported her 11 month old daughter missing and popped a window screen out to stage a kidnapping. The baby was discovered in the attic of the home, deceased for quite some time. Way back when people were saying that Deborah must have orchestrated a copy cat crime because she must have heard about the Fort Bragg case. Deborah had already left Fort Bragg, which FYI is one of the largest military installations in the world, so many people moving in and out of there. There is nothing to suggest Deborah heard about the case, she was already gone. This is irrelevant to Lisa's case IMO. Sure there are some surface similarities but there are also many, many differences. Here's an article about it. Baby Lisa Case Echoes Another Missing Child

IF they had broken up 5 months prior, they were then back together a couple of weeks prior. Way too many neighbors had seen them together as a couple.

Guess Who · Friday at 7:49 PM

askfornina said:
One thing that struck me about the interview is he seemed to be pretty knowledgeable about the case, 14 years later, as if he was following it. He even mentioned watching a special about it. I guess either way you look at it whether he was involved or not his name is involved, so it would make sense for him to keep up with it. Honestly, the interview was not what I was expecting. I expected to come away feeling like his statements were totally untruthful and suspicious. Instead, I felt he was pretty straightforward most of the time. I'm no statement analysis expert but just purely based on the vibe of the whole thing, he seemed much more believable than I thought he would. I'm not saying I don't think he knows more or that he wasn't involved, just that I didn't get the feeling I was expecting. MW's interview was much more blatantly suspicious, which is also not really what I was expecting.

With that being said though, two of his comments really bothered me. The first was the whole business with telling Cyndi Short about finding three phones. He admitted he told her that, and then he admitted he was lying about it to her to make her happy. I also noticed that his account matched her account: she said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones, he said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones. The fact that he admitted to telling her about the three phones means we can be reasonably sure he actually did (I believe Cyndi anyway, but him admitting it is extra corroboration). When she spoke with him, it was much, much closer in time to Lisa's disappearance. His knowledge of what police knew and didn't know was much more limited. The stakes were much higher for him at the time. The only reason I can think of that he would have told her that is a kind of CYA in case evidence on the phones came back to him.

The other thing that bothered me was him saying he broke up with Megan about 5 months before Lisa's disappearance. MW said the same thing in this special. However, in 2011, Megan consistently said they broke up within the month before Lisa's disappearance. Why is there this discrepancy now? Both are putting distance between the breakup and the time Lisa went missing.

If you're talking about the Texas part, I think they have the state wrong. In 2007, two months after Deborah left Fort Bragg, a woman reported her 11 month old daughter missing and popped a window screen out to stage a kidnapping. The baby was discovered in the attic of the home, deceased for quite some time. Way back when people were saying that Deborah must have orchestrated a copy cat crime because she must have heard about the Fort Bragg case. Deborah had already left Fort Bragg, which FYI is one of the largest military installations in the world, so many people moving in and out of there. There is nothing to suggest Deborah heard about the case, she was already gone. This is irrelevant to Lisa's case IMO. Sure there are some surface similarities but there are also many, many differences. Here's an article about it. Baby Lisa Case Echoes Another Missing Child

Yeah, the media falsely ran with the Ft Bragg story as fact. Much like the big deal they made with her being seen in a store with "a man that wasn't Jeremy" when anybody there could have told them who she was with. Drama sells better than the truth.

Guess Who · Friday at 8:42 PM

askfornina said:
One thing that struck me about the interview is he seemed to be pretty knowledgeable about the case, 14 years later, as if he was following it. He even mentioned watching a special about it. I guess either way you look at it whether he was involved or not his name is involved, so it would make sense for him to keep up with it. Honestly, the interview was not what I was expecting. I expected to come away feeling like his statements were totally untruthful and suspicious. Instead, I felt he was pretty straightforward most of the time. I'm no statement analysis expert but just purely based on the vibe of the whole thing, he seemed much more believable than I thought he would. I'm not saying I don't think he knows more or that he wasn't involved, just that I didn't get the feeling I was expecting. MW's interview was much more blatantly suspicious, which is also not really what I was expecting.

With that being said though, two of his comments really bothered me. The first was the whole business with telling Cyndi Short about finding three phones. He admitted he told her that, and then he admitted he was lying about it to her to make her happy. I also noticed that his account matched her account: she said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones, he said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones. The fact that he admitted to telling her about the three phones means we can be reasonably sure he actually did (I believe Cyndi anyway, but him admitting it is extra corroboration). When she spoke with him, it was much, much closer in time to Lisa's disappearance. His knowledge of what police knew and didn't know was much more limited. The stakes were much higher for him at the time. The only reason I can think of that he would have told her that is a kind of CYA in case evidence on the phones came back to him.

The other thing that bothered me was him saying he broke up with Megan about 5 months before Lisa's disappearance. MW said the same thing in this special. However, in 2011, Megan consistently said they broke up within the month before Lisa's disappearance. Why is there this discrepancy now? Both are putting distance between the breakup and the time Lisa went missing.

If you're talking about the Texas part, I think they have the state wrong. In 2007, two months after Deborah left Fort Bragg, a woman reported her 11 month old daughter missing and popped a window screen out to stage a kidnapping. The baby was discovered in the attic of the home, deceased for quite some time. Way back when people were saying that Deborah must have orchestrated a copy cat crime because she must have heard about the Fort Bragg case. Deborah had already left Fort Bragg, which FYI is one of the largest military installations in the world, so many people moving in and out of there. There is nothing to suggest Deborah heard about the case, she was already gone. This is irrelevant to Lisa's case IMO. Sure there are some surface similarities but there are also many, many differences. Here's an article about it. Baby Lisa Case Echoes Another Missing Child

Yeah, he was definitely trying to get ahead of the phones story.

Guess Who · Friday at 8:47 PM

Guess Who said:
Per 2nd video...Shane was not a teen! and did not "shout down the street" because they were next door to each other

Wait a minute! The 2nd video Nina posted isn't the one I was commenting on. I'm not sure what happened but I'll post a link to the one I was on in the morning when I fire the computer back up.

Kimster · Friday at 10:16 PM

askfornina said:
One thing that struck me about the interview is he seemed to be pretty knowledgeable about the case, 14 years later, as if he was following it. He even mentioned watching a special about it. I guess either way you look at it whether he was involved or not his name is involved, so it would make sense for him to keep up with it. Honestly, the interview was not what I was expecting. I expected to come away feeling like his statements were totally untruthful and suspicious. Instead, I felt he was pretty straightforward most of the time. I'm no statement analysis expert but just purely based on the vibe of the whole thing, he seemed much more believable than I thought he would. I'm not saying I don't think he knows more or that he wasn't involved, just that I didn't get the feeling I was expecting. MW's interview was much more blatantly suspicious, which is also not really what I was expecting.

With that being said though, two of his comments really bothered me. The first was the whole business with telling Cyndi Short about finding three phones. He admitted he told her that, and then he admitted he was lying about it to her to make her happy. I also noticed that his account matched her account: she said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones, he said he told her he found three phones but didn't say they were THE phones. The fact that he admitted to telling her about the three phones means we can be reasonably sure he actually did (I believe Cyndi anyway, but him admitting it is extra corroboration). When she spoke with him, it was much, much closer in time to Lisa's disappearance. His knowledge of what police knew and didn't know was much more limited. The stakes were much higher for him at the time. The only reason I can think of that he would have told her that is a kind of CYA in case evidence on the phones came back to him.

The other thing that bothered me was him saying he broke up with Megan about 5 months before Lisa's disappearance. MW said the same thing in this special. However, in 2011, Megan consistently said they broke up within the month before Lisa's disappearance. Why is there this discrepancy now? Both are putting distance between the breakup and the time Lisa went missing.

If you're talking about the Texas part, I think they have the state wrong. In 2007, two months after Deborah left Fort Bragg, a woman reported her 11 month old daughter missing and popped a window screen out to stage a kidnapping. The baby was discovered in the attic of the home, deceased for quite some time. Way back when people were saying that Deborah must have orchestrated a copy cat crime because she must have heard about the Fort Bragg case. Deborah had already left Fort Bragg, which FYI is one of the largest military installations in the world, so many people moving in and out of there. There is nothing to suggest Deborah heard about the case, she was already gone. This is irrelevant to Lisa's case IMO. Sure there are some surface similarities but there are also many, many differences. Here's an article about it. Baby Lisa Case Echoes Another Missing Child

YES! The thing about the phones was a huge red flag. I was shocked that he admitted to it. He seemed to be pretty relaxed around MK. One of her advisor said it may be because they were in his backyard. He might’ve felt safe being in his own yard.

And yes, you can post pretty much anything here. Unless it’s extremely offensive. I don’t know that guests can see Screenshots anyway. I think you have to be a member. I could be wrong on that though.

Kimster · Friday at 10:16 PM

Guess Who said:
IF they had broken up 5 months prior, they were then back together a couple of weeks prior. Way too many neighbors had seen them together as a couple.

See? I believed that they had broken up for five months beforehand.

askfornina · Friday at 10:35 PM

Kimster said:
See? I believed that they had broken up for five months beforehand.

Here are some video interviews with Megan. She mentions the timeframe she and Jersey were together. It just seems weird- Jersey could instantly recall what he told Cyndi years ago, but misremembers when he broke up with Megan? And basically Megan's entire recent interview is just totally off from what she said back then.

Regina · Saturday at 6:22 AM

Guess Who said:
because if it is the one I am thinking of, it's one that is posted by somebody that is definitely not from there. There are no dumpsters behind any unit there. None and never has been.

The poster was referring to front of their unit.

Guess Who · Saturday at 6:36 AM

Kimster said:
YES! The thing about the phones was a huge red flag. I was shocked that he admitted to it. He seemed to be pretty relaxed around MK. One of her advisor said it may be because they were in his backyard. He might’ve felt safe being in his own yard.

And yes, you can post pretty much anything here. Unless it’s extremely offensive. I don’t know that guests can see Screenshots anyway. I think you have to be a member. I could be wrong on that though.

He came across as trying hard to "seem" cool with them there interviewing him. The people that had him do odd jobs for also described him as appearing charming but they didn't trust him., which makes sense that he told people he was starting at Watson's while they were gone but didn't actually have access to their home.

Watson's were out of town for days after and Jersey was nowhere to be found so it also seems he ditched the job he was hired to do. Why would that be if he had no reason to leave town far and unexpectedly?

Regina · Saturday at 7:01 AM

askfornina said:
This is the video you are looking for:

I'm a bit confused on why you don't think they saw a baby. She very clearly describes that it was, in fact, a baby without hesitation or ambiguity. She describes the positioning of the head, legs and arms.

She speaks in this video as well.

Thanks for posting that! I take it that that's all there is and ever was....

My first issue is that there are two witnesses, one speaking for the other.
It was the husband that took notice of the man- why? (I'm not asking for speculation, just a fact, Ma'am, lol.)
The wife's vantage point was different; where was the man when she saw him?
Those are two things I need know and I can't go any further with that info until I know those two things.

Guess Who · Saturday at 7:13 AM

Regina said:
Thanks for posting that! I take it that that's all there is and ever was....

My first issue is that there are two witnesses, one speaking for the other.
It was the husband that took notice of the man- why? (I'm not asking for speculation, just a fact, Ma'am, lol.)
The wife's vantage point was different; where was the man when she saw him?
Those are two things I need know and I can't go any further with that info until I know those two things.

She explains why he took notice and why they didn't call LE in it and where the man was when they saw him. He spoke to LE. He owes US nothing.

Guess Who · Saturday at 7:14 AM

Here's the video I was commenting on that I somehow got when I clicked on Nina's 2nd video.

I ahd never seen this one before. Lots of info, but she has a lot of little details wrong.

Regina · Saturday at 8:34 AM

Guess Who said:
She explains why he took notice and why they didn't call LE in it and where the man was when they saw him. He spoke to LE. He owes US nothing.

If you mean he doesn't have to speak to the media, I agree, but I still need to hear him tell it.

One other thing from that video, a neighbor, Mary Hurt, said she was told that the man walked onto her property and through her next door neighbor's gate, which isn't what "Lisa" said they saw.

Guess Who · Saturday at 8:39 AM

Regina said:
If you mean he doesn't have to speak to the media, I agree, but I still need to hear him tell it.

One other thing from that video, a neighbor, Mary Hurt, said she was told that the man walked onto her property and through her next door neighbor's gate, which isn't what "Lisa" said they saw.

Why do YOU need hear him tell it? He was a very private person that didn't want anything to do with being on camera. He told the people that NEEDED to be told.

her next door neighbor was the Watson's so how is that different? To me, it just solidifies what they said.

Regina · Saturday at 8:51 AM

Guess Who said:
Why do YOU need him to tell it? He was a very private person that didn't want anything to do with being on camera. He told the people that NEEDED to be told.

her next door neighbor was the Watson's so how is that different?

Well, I'd like to know whether the people that needed to be told, needed to know the same things I do, lol! (I'm sure they did!)

"LIsa" said it only looked like the man was gonna go onto a property, nothing more.

Guess Who · Saturday at 8:54 AM

Regina said:
Well, I'd like to know whether the people that needed to know the same things I do, lol!

"LIsa" said it only looked like the man was gonna go onto a property, nothing more.

yes, she said he was going into Watson's yard, the next door neighbor of Mary. You can't see the gate from the witness's house but you can see that they headed into the yard, so I'm not sure what point you are arguing???

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