MO LISA IRWIN: Missing from Kansas City, MO - 3 Oct 2011 - Age 10 months

Lisa was last seen at her home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue in Kansas City, Missouri on October 3, 2011. Her mother, Deborah Bradley, put her to bed in her crib with her pacifier, blanket and some toys.

Deborah last saw her daughter at either 6:40 or 10:30 p.m. (Accounts differ.) That evening, she was also caring for the Lisa's two older half-brothers, who were asleep in another room. She later admitted she'd been drinking wine that night and had gotten drunk. She was also taking prescription medication for anxiety.

Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, an electrician, came home from work at approximately 4:00 the next morning and they discovered Lisa was gone. Several lights in the house were on, Lisa's bedroom window was open, the front door was unlocked and three cellular phones were reportedly missing.

Lisa's parents called 911 to report her disappearance shortly at 4:00 a.m. An extensive search of the immediate area turned up no sign of the baby.

Authorities stated Lisa's mother and father were less than cooperative with the investigation, something Deborah and Jeremy denied. They were engaged to be married at the time of Lisa's disappearance, although Deborah was still legally married to another man, and had a six-year-old son by him.

Deborah and her husband had been separated for about four years by 2010, and he was serving in the Army. Her husband stated he didn't believe Deborah would have harmed Lisa or been involved in her disappearance.

Three different witnesses saw a man walking down the road about three miles from Lisa's home at approximately 4:00 a.m. that night, carrying a baby dressed only in a diaper. It's unclear whether the sightings are connected to Lisa's case.

Authorities haven't named any suspects in the child's disappearance. Her parents have stated they believe she was abducted from her home late on October 3 or early on October 4, possibly by a person who wanted to raise a baby. Lisa's case remains unsolved.


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Missing From: KANSAS CITY, MO. Missing Date: Oct 3, 2011 12:00:00 AM. Lisa's photo is shown age-progressed to 7 years. She was last seen at home on October 3, 2011 at approximately 6:00 p.m. Lisa has a birthmark on her right thigh. She was last known to be wearing purple pants and a purple shirt...

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Lisa has a birthmark on her right outer thigh. Two of her bottom teeth had erupted by the time of her disappearance, and she had a small bug bite under her left ear. Her nickname is Pumpkin Pie. She was last known to be wearing purple pants and a purple shirt with kittens on it.

LISA IRWIN is still missing from Kansas City, MO since 3 Oct 2011. She was only 10 mos. old when she disappeared.

Lisa was last seen at her home in Kansas City, Missouri. Her mother, Deborah Bradley, put her to bed in her crib with her pacifier, blanket and some toys. She later admitted she'd been drinking wine that night and had gotten drunk. She was also...

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[Regina]

Has anyone but me listened to episode five, the interview with Tanko? If so, what did you think about his comment about somebody selling baby Lisa.

Just that I agree that it's the best case scenario, that, or that the person who took her is raising her.

 

[Regina]

In what way did they describe him carrying the baby? I always pictured it as the way you would hold an infant, but now that I have a granddaughter about Lisa‘s age when she went missing, I realize that the baby was probably being held against a shoulder and looking around since the baby was woke up. Right? So it would be easy to tell there was a baby because there’s two heads. Am I thinking straight on this one?

Re baby awake, it sounds to me like you're thinking of info from Thompson and his sighting.
And same for what the baby was or wasn't wearing, I mean, like I've said, I don't know what the wife from the couple sighting described as to what the baby was wearing but unless I'm mistaken, Thompson said the baby was wearing only a diaper.

Yes, Thompson did say the baby was wearing only a diaper.

Confident He Saw a Live Baby. Was it Lisa Irwin?

Sometimes in the confusion and rush for information in the early part of a case, things get overlooked. Interviews conducted by reporters a...

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[Kimster]

I would have loved to see that drone shot of him getting off that ladder. I bet his legs were rubber.

Yeah, I’m gonna go back and watch it on YouTube so I can see the visual. I’ve been listening to the podcast in my car.

 

[Guess Who]

Need I remind you all I've heard the wife say is comes from that one very brief newsclip?
With all due respect, I need to hear what all she said and hear it for myself.

As for whether he had actual permission to stay there, I don't know and btw, I'm not positive where that came from although it seems to me it likely came from the ice lady, lol.

Well maybe he didn't have persmission to go into the home, much less, stay there overnight but I never said I believe he did, I said if it's true...

The info you seek is in the MK videos

 

[Kimster]

Just that I agree that it's the best case scenario, that, or that the person who took her is raising her.

It seemed to me the first in thing he really stated strongly. I’m hoping there is some fact in there. Usually perps will blame everybody but the moon. I would’ve expected him to blame Deborah.

 

[Kimster]

You will rarely find me linking to Reddit, but there's some locals who have made comments recently regarding Lisa's disappearance and what they observed at the time. Some of the comments are "reddit rudeness" and I hope we don't go there, but others actually explain what they observed.

 

[RoundPeg]

You will rarely find me linking to Reddit, but there's some locals who have made comments recently regarding Lisa's disappearance and what they observed at the time. Some of the comments are "reddit rudeness" and I hope we don't go there, but others actually explain what they observed.

Whats this about?

 

[Kimster]

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I don't put a lot of weight on this comment now, although it used to bother me years ago. With the Reddit link, I was more interested in the person who mentioned the dumpster right by his/her place.

I do not know about the attorney, but they did cooperate with the police until they felt the police were only looking at them and not looking for Lisa. That made sense to me when listening to the recent podcast. As for a situation in Texas, is there concrete evidence and was the "incident" solved?

 

[Guess Who]

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It was about the media and kcpd believe that the parents weren't cooperating, then it came out they had been to the station many, many times due many, many hours without an attorney. Kcpd then went to the media after the parents decided to have representation trying to state the parents weren't cooperating, 100% implying they never cooperated.

The benefactor info is very well described in the MK series.

 

[Guess Who]

I don't put a lot of weight on this comment now, although it used to bother me years ago. With the Reddit link, I was more interested in the person who mentioned the dumpster right by his/her place.

I do not know about the attorney, but they did cooperate with the police until they felt the police were only looking at them and not looking for Lisa. That made sense to me when listening to the recent podcast. As for a situation in Texas, is there concrete evidence and was the "incident" solved?

The missing child at a military facility (can't remember details) was told by the media that she was on base at the time, then we find out she wasn't at that time. It was not long before or after that she was there.

 

[Guess Who]

You will rarely find me linking to Reddit, but there's some locals who have made comments recently regarding Lisa's disappearance and what they observed at the time. Some of the comments are "reddit rudeness" and I hope we don't go there, but others actually explain what they observed.

Welp, by some of the descriptions some are giving, it's obvious they have no clue about the layout of the area that they say they were a part of. We'll just leave it at that. Good to see that there is a lot of pushback to the false narratives that were first blasted by the media/LE that were proven false later.

 

[Kimster]

Welp, by some of the descriptions some are giving, it's obvious they have no clue about the layout of the area that they say they were a part of. We'll just leave it at that. Good to see that there is a lot of pushback to the false narratives that were first blasted by the media/LE that were proven false later.

Thanks for weighing in! I was wondering what your take was on the comments. Do you think they really lived in the area?

 

[Guess Who]

Thanks for weighing in! I was wondering what your take was on the comments. Do you think they really lived in the area?

Some most likely did and some definitely did not. I do see a couple of familiar names though so a couple of them definitely did/do. But, it's reddit so ...

 

[Regina]

The info you seek is in the MK videos

I've since found the video I'm looking for but there's an error code.
Anyway, I'm having serious doubt that the man the husband saw (I'm not even sure the wife saw anything) was holding a baby.
At this point, I think what the husband found suspicious was that the man was on foot, it was late at night, and he didn't recognize him.

 

[Regina]

I don't put a lot of weight on this comment now, although it used to bother me years ago. With the Reddit link, I was more interested in the person who mentioned the dumpster right by his/her place.

I do not know about the attorney, but they did cooperate with the police until they felt the police were only looking at them and not looking for Lisa. That made sense to me when listening to the recent podcast. As for a situation in Texas, is there concrete evidence and was the "incident" solved?

That's a completely different description from what I've read of that dumpster fire!

 

[Guess Who]

That's a completely different description from what I've read of that dumpster fire!

because if it is the one I am thinking of, it's one that is posted by somebody that is definitely not from there. There are no dumpsters behind any unit there. None and never has been.

 

[Guess Who]

I've since found the video I'm looking for but there's an error code.
Anyway, I'm having serious doubt that the man the husband saw (I'm not even sure the wife saw anything) was holding a baby.
At this point, I think what the husband found suspicious was that the man was on foot, it was late at night, and he didn't recognize him.

I'm not sure why you are so convinced that they didn't see a baby. The husband was about 10 ft away and nearly directly under a streetlight. It's not hard to see at all. What else would be wearing a diaper? Do you recognize every single person that walks in your neighborhood? Why does not recognizing him mean he wasn't carrying a baby? Maybe it was because he was carrying a baby is why he wasn't suspicious of him. It would make a difference in my mind, that's for sure, and you surely wouldn't just assume seeing a man walking with a baby and going to a house, that he was kidnapping that baby. Would you necessarily recognize a person you had only seen once or twice at a distance with hair then after they had shaved their head when they were just walking by?

 

[Kimster]

I saw Tanko on the ladder last night via YouTube. He didn't look anything like I thought he would! He didn't look strung out, either.

 

[Guess Who]

He looks pretty healthy. Much healthier than Megan does, that's for sure.

Other than gaining weight, he looks very much like I expected. I was not expecting healthy looking.

 

[askfornina]

Bawhaha! Cyndi Short's description of Jersey "he looked like a sophisticated consumer of the criminal justice system"

I laughed out loud at this. Much needed levity as I spent much of my watch time near tears!

Here is what I have on an old email when we were discussing it. I have no link at the moment. It's from an old fb post

Debbie's cell phone had been acting up and the speakers and microphone on it were continually only working intermittently. So Sunday October 2 my Dad gave Debbie his old plain jane phone that has NO way to collect contact information on it. Debbie transferred the service from her old phone to the one that my Dad (her Grandpa) gave her.When she went home later that night she had both of her phones out and started coping numbers one by one into the phone she got from her Grandpa. She didn't get them all done of course so she left them on the table. Jeremy's PERSONAL cell phone was also on the table. These 3 phones were the ones that were stolen

This is verbatim the facebook post. I have a screenshot but not sure if that is allowed here.

Right, now as to the husband / wife witnesses on Chelsea, I'm having trouble with their info and need to know why the husband wanted the wife to call the police.
Do you know whether there's info directly from her available somewhere? I've looked but haven't found the whole video where Spellman (I think it was) was with her and she's standing at the window, appearing to explain what she saw.

Well, about that sighting, I do believe there was a man and he was probably carrying something but I question whether it was actually a baby...

I've since found the video I'm looking for but there's an error code.
Anyway, I'm having serious doubt that the man the husband saw (I'm not even sure the wife saw anything) was holding a baby.
At this point, I think what the husband found suspicious was that the man was on foot, it was late at night, and he didn't recognize him.

This is the video you are looking for:



I'm a bit confused on why you don't think they saw a baby. She very clearly describes that it was, in fact, a baby without hesitation or ambiguity. She describes the positioning of the head, legs and arms.

She speaks in this video as well.