Oxford, MI School Shooting *Ethan Crumbley GUILTY PLEA* - *Mom & Dad GUILTY of manslaughter*

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By Sara Powers
February 1, 2024 / 6:39 AM EST / CBS Detroit

(CBS DETROIT) - The trial of Jennifer Crumbley, the mother of the Oxford High School shooter, continues Thursday with the sixth day of testimony.

During Wednesday's testimony, multiple people testified, and the discussions revolved around Jennifer and her husband being located after the shooting. In addition, the jury heard from a man who had an affair with the mother.

Sam Marzban, a lieutenant for the Oakland County Sheriff's Office who worked the Oxford High School shooting, testified first. He said after a search warrant was authorized, he was at the family's home talking with the parents and getting their cell phones when the mother said, "Lives were lost today, and he's going to have to suffer."


Luke Kirtley, a coffee business owner who has a studio in Detroit, in the building where Jennifer and James Crumbley were found, testified that when he saw the car in the parking lot, he recognized it, so he decided to check the plate. When he confirmed it was the car authorities were looking for, he called 911.

Then, a man who had an affair with the mother also testified about deleted text messages.

Brian Meloche described his conversations with Jennifer Crumbley from the day of the shooting and the days following. During the cross-examination, the prosecution said the defense was asking questions closely related to factors already excluded from evidence.

Defense attorney Shannon Smith was asking Meloche about his interviews with police and if they threatened him with the fact that he might lose his job if he tried to help the mother.

The prosecution said if Smith was allowed to ask these kinds of questions, then they could tell the jury about the affair Meloche had with Jennifer Crumbley.
 

Cassidy Johncox, Senior News Editor
Published: February 1, 2024 at 6:00 AM

OXFORD, Mich. – In a major courtroom twist Wednesday, evidence related to an extramarital affair carried out by the Oxford High School shooter’s mother will now be allowed in court after the defense changed its mind about keeping those details private.

While cross-examining witness Brian Meloche, who was identified initially as a “friend” of Jennifer Crumbley during her involuntary manslaughter trial on Wednesday, Jan. 31, the defense initiated a line of questioning that put prosecutors on alert. Assistant Oakland County Prosecutor Marc Keast warned the court that the defense was dangerously close to opening the door to discussing evidence that the defense had sought to exclude.

What became clear shortly after was that Meloche had been involved in an extramarital affair with Crumbley at the time of the Oxford shooting. At the request of the defense, the judge previously ruled that any evidence related to the parents’ extramarital affairs, among a few other things, would not be allowed in court in order to prevent unnecessary bias from the jury -- so Meloche was introduced as a friend, and was not questioned about the affair, at first.

But the defense spontaneously changed their position in the courtroom Wednesday when questions regarding the witness’ police interviews inched closer to facts of the affair. Defense attorney Shannon Smith said she would “like the door to be opened” to evidence related to the affair in order to “fully cross-examine this witness.”

In response, the prosecution said they take no issue with allowing evidence of the affair in court, but did tell the court that changing this rule would completely change their case.
 

By Sara Powers
February 1, 2024 / 6:39 AM EST / CBS Detroit

(CBS DETROIT) - The trial of Jennifer Crumbley, the mother of the Oxford High School shooter, continues Thursday with the sixth day of testimony.

During Wednesday's testimony, multiple people testified, and the discussions revolved around Jennifer and her husband being located after the shooting. In addition, the jury heard from a man who had an affair with the mother.

Sam Marzban, a lieutenant for the Oakland County Sheriff's Office who worked the Oxford High School shooting, testified first. He said after a search warrant was authorized, he was at the family's home talking with the parents and getting their cell phones when the mother said, "Lives were lost today, and he's going to have to suffer."


Luke Kirtley, a coffee business owner who has a studio in Detroit, in the building where Jennifer and James Crumbley were found, testified that when he saw the car in the parking lot, he recognized it, so he decided to check the plate. When he confirmed it was the car authorities were looking for, he called 911.

Then, a man who had an affair with the mother also testified about deleted text messages.

Brian Meloche described his conversations with Jennifer Crumbley from the day of the shooting and the days following. During the cross-examination, the prosecution said the defense was asking questions closely related to factors already excluded from evidence.

Defense attorney Shannon Smith was asking Meloche about his interviews with police and if they threatened him with the fact that he might lose his job if he tried to help the mother.

The prosecution said if Smith was allowed to ask these kinds of questions, then they could tell the jury about the affair Meloche had with Jennifer Crumbley.

I cannot believe she said this: "Lives were lost today, and he's going to have to suffer."
 

By Eric Levenson and Lauren del Valle, CNN
Published 9:06 AM EST, Fri February 2, 2024


A day after taking the stand to tell her side of the story, Jennifer Crumbley is set to face cross-examination from the prosecution in her manslaughter trial Friday related to a deadly 2021 school shooting.

The 45-year-old is the mother of Ethan Crumbley, the then-15-year-old who killed four people and wounded seven at Oxford High School in Michigan. The prosecution has argued she is responsible for the deaths because she was “grossly negligent” in allowing her son to own a gun and failing to get him proper mental health treatment despite warning signs.

The case represents an unusual and novel legal strategy to try to hold the parents of a school shooter personally accountable and stem the scourge of mass shootings in America.


She has pleaded not guilty to four counts of involuntary manslaughter. Her husband is scheduled to go on trial on the same charges in early March.

Over several hours Thursday, Jennifer Crumbley testified her husband was responsible for securing the gun he had purchased for their son on Black Friday as a Christmas gift.

“I just didn’t feel comfortable being in charge of that. It was more his thing, so I let him handle that. I didn’t feel comfortable putting the lock thing on it,” she said.

She also testified her son had never asked her to get help for mental health issues, contrary to his private journal writings and texts to a friend. She said he expressed some anxiety about taking tests and what he would do after high school, “but not to a level where I felt he needed to go see a psychiatrist or mental health professional right away.”

She acknowledged her son had sent a number of texts about seeing ghosts and claimed their house was haunted, but she testified he was not being serious.

“It was just him messing around,” she testified.

She also testified she did not know about internal school emails discussing her son’s concerning behavior before the shooting on November 30, 2021. And she said when she was called into the school hours before the shooting to discuss Ethan’s disturbing drawings on a math worksheet, school employees were “nonchalant” about the incident and allowed him to stay in class.
 

By Sara Powers
Updated on: February 5, 2024 / 4:56 PM EST / CBS Detroit

(CBS DETROIT) - Jury deliberations will continue Tuesday in the trial of Jennifer Crumbley, the mother of the Oxford High School shooter.

Deliberations began Monday after a week-long trial. The court wrapped up for the day at about 4:30 p.m. Monday.

Oakland County Judge Cheryl Matthews read instructions to the 17 jurors and then narrowed them down to 12, removing the alternates. The jury is currently made up of 10 women and seven men.
 

Feb. 6, 2024, 1:18 PM EST / Updated Feb. 6, 2024, 1:40 PM EST
By Selina Guevara and Erik Ortiz
PONTIAC, Mich. — Jennifer Crumbley, the Michigan woman charged in connection with her son’s deadly school shooting rampage in 2021, was convicted Tuesday of involuntary manslaughter in the unprecedented case.

The unanimous verdict came on the second day of jury deliberations in a landmark trial that turned on an unusual question: Can the parent of a child who commits a mass shooting also be held criminally responsible?

Crumbley, 45, was charged with four counts of involuntary manslaughter — one for each of the victims in the attack at Oxford High School in November 2021. Her son, Ethan, now 17, pleaded guilty as an adult to murder, terrorism and other crimes, and was sentenced in December to life in prison without parole.

Now, she faces up to 15 years in prison per count and remains held on bond. She will be sentenced on April 9.
 
I didn't keep up on all evidence presented, but I think it was pretty damning that he asked his parents for help and was refused. Also that they purchased the gun, but that's less damning IMO.
 
I didn't keep up on all evidence presented, but I think it was pretty damning that he asked his parents for help and was refused. Also that they purchased the gun, but that's less damning IMO.
I saw a few hours of it and a show or too. Her defense attorney made some really good points and I honestly did not like the prosecution and all know I'm usually the opposite.

I have not followed this case closely but know the basics and saw a fair amount of trial info, certainly not all, I don't have that amount of time but recaps help with that.

I have to tell you I am very torn on this one. I think this is a slippery slope. Clearly they would never have one parents of the year awards but still, I just don't know...

One thing that I did see that became totally clear and most retired LE etc. and lawyers on YT seem to agree also is that they SET up this couple for the press and publicity stunt to make it APPEAR they were going to flee, had fled hidden or whatever it was. They would NOT let them surrender themselves and they wanted the big fake show of something that wasn't the case.

Her attorney made that point and made it well.

I don't know a ton but I also can tell you it seems it was the husband who was the one with more knowledge and control over the gun/s, not Jennifer at all. I'm not saying makes any difference or should but just sharing some of what I heard/saw or recall.

It's not like me to be torn, I generally have pretty strong opinions in cases but some things here bother me. All know I don't hesitate to come down hard on a parent who killed their own child and things like that. I think they were making an example of these two and i think there were motives other than just justice and that bothers me.

I don't agree though with all the parents' decisions but parenting is hard and even harder when you have a child with issues.

I just don't know but a jury has spoken and I respect that. Apparently it was unanimous. I honestly don't usually think this--but I was thinking it well might be a hung jury.

Her attorney was interesting to watch lol. I didn't always like her to be honest, at times I was disgusted by what I saw as her theatrics but then she'd impress me and did have some really good points and represented her client passionately.

Again I saw just a bit, nowhere near all, not even a day for that matter. Different clips in a recap on a YT show, etc.

Anyhow, I don't feel I really know enough although I know most basic facts, to have an opinion and the jury spoke. So it is what it is. HE though was the shooter. I don't know that I think the parents deserve 15 years on each count. He definitely deserves to pay, he made the wrong decision big time and I am victim first. He was clearly troubled but he KILLED other young people and he alone made that decision and ruined his own life in the process. Kid or not.
 
Watch your kids carefully. Listen to your kids carefully. Don't buy guns for kids and then not lock them up securely. IIRC, the Columbine kids got the guns from one of their grandfather's barn.

I've heard "irresponsible" gun owners being blamed for school shootings. Well, here's an extreme case of ignoring the warning signs.
 

Jennifer Crumbley trial: The key piece of evidence that led to jury’s guilty verdict​

Jennifer Crumbley was found guilty of four counts of involuntary manslaughter this week, and the jury forewoman highlighted one specific piece of evidence that stood out.

The jury listened to 21 witnesses from the prosecution and Crumbley herself over seven full days in the courtroom. They deliberated for more than 10 hours across one and a half days before coming to a decision.

Their verdict: that Crumbley is guilty of four counts of involuntary manslaughter -- one for each of the students who were killed by her son during the Oxford High School shooting.

Prosecutors presented a mountain of evidence throughout the trial, from text and Facebook messages to surveillance footage to pictures inside the Crumbley household. But there was one piece of evidence that really stuck with the jury.

“The thing that really hammered it home is that she was the last adult with the gun,” the forewoman said.

The evidence she highlighted was surveillance footage from a shooting range on Nov. 27, 2021. It was the day after the murder weapon was purchased, and Crumbley went to the range with her son.

After they each took a couple of turns at the range, Crumbley left carrying the case with the SIG Sauer 9 mm handgun inside. She said her husband got it out of her car after work and secured it in the house, but the shooting range video was the last piece of evidence that showed the gun before the shooting, which happened three days later.


Prosecutors had to prove at least one of the two elements of involuntary manslaughter: gross negligence or a failure to perform a legal duty. They presented evidence in the form of unanswered text messages from the shooter, signs that he needed help, and photos of how guns were stored at the house.

Crumbley testified that her husband was the one in charge of securing the guns. She said her son was just joking when he texted about seeing demons and hallucinating. She also claimed she and her husband were planning to turn themselves in hours after they were taken into custody.

In the end, a jury of her peers decided she was asking them to believe too much.

“It was very difficult,” the forewoman said. “It wasn’t an easy decision. Lives hung in the balance and we took that very seriously.”
 

Jennifer Crumbley trial: The key piece of evidence that led to jury’s guilty verdict​

Jennifer Crumbley was found guilty of four counts of involuntary manslaughter this week, and the jury forewoman highlighted one specific piece of evidence that stood out.

The jury listened to 21 witnesses from the prosecution and Crumbley herself over seven full days in the courtroom. They deliberated for more than 10 hours across one and a half days before coming to a decision.

Their verdict: that Crumbley is guilty of four counts of involuntary manslaughter -- one for each of the students who were killed by her son during the Oxford High School shooting.

Prosecutors presented a mountain of evidence throughout the trial, from text and Facebook messages to surveillance footage to pictures inside the Crumbley household. But there was one piece of evidence that really stuck with the jury.

“The thing that really hammered it home is that she was the last adult with the gun,” the forewoman said.

The evidence she highlighted was surveillance footage from a shooting range on Nov. 27, 2021. It was the day after the murder weapon was purchased, and Crumbley went to the range with her son.

After they each took a couple of turns at the range, Crumbley left carrying the case with the SIG Sauer 9 mm handgun inside. She said her husband got it out of her car after work and secured it in the house, but the shooting range video was the last piece of evidence that showed the gun before the shooting, which happened three days later.


Prosecutors had to prove at least one of the two elements of involuntary manslaughter: gross negligence or a failure to perform a legal duty. They presented evidence in the form of unanswered text messages from the shooter, signs that he needed help, and photos of how guns were stored at the house.

Crumbley testified that her husband was the one in charge of securing the guns. She said her son was just joking when he texted about seeing demons and hallucinating. She also claimed she and her husband were planning to turn themselves in hours after they were taken into custody.

In the end, a jury of her peers decided she was asking them to believe too much.

“It was very difficult,” the forewoman said. “It wasn’t an easy decision. Lives hung in the balance and we took that very seriously.”

Today's lesson is pay attention to the warning signs your kid displays, instead of paying attention to your extramarital affairs :censored: !!
 

February 15, 2024 / 7:49 PM EST / AP

The father of a Michigan school shooter wants jurors from a different county to decide his involuntary manslaughter case, arguing that he can't get a fair trial because of widespread publicity and his wife's recent conviction.

"They have been clearly convicted in the court of public opinion," defense lawyer Mariell Lehman said in a court filing Wednesday.

James Crumbley, 47, is accused of making a gun accessible to Ethan Crumbley and failing to get mental health care for his son.

The 15-year-old killed four students and wounded more during a mass shooting at Oxford High School in 2021.

Jury selection in the father's Oakland County trial is scheduled for March 5. It's unusual in Michigan to change the location of a trial or to bring in jurors from another county.


Hundreds of people will be summoned to the courthouse as part of the jury selection process. It took about two days to pick a jury for Jennifer Crumbley's trial.

Those jurors said they could fairly listen to the evidence and come up with a verdict, even if they were familiar with the Oxford tragedy. Oakland County has a population of 1.27 million people.

The jury issue could come up during a hearing on Wednesday when Judge Cheryl Matthews considers defense objections to some witnesses and evidence.

Prosecutors can't talk to reporters because of a gag order, though they have opposed other efforts to pick a jury from elsewhere.
 

Updated: 7:42 AM EST Feb 22, 2024
Tim Callery

PONTIAC, Mich. (FOX 2) - The judge expected to oversee James Crumbley's involuntary manslaughter trial elected to allow the former owner of the weapon used in the Oxford High School shooting to testify during the defendant's upcoming trial.

The prosecution sought to allow two victims of the shooting as witnesses as well, arguing Wednesday during a motion hearing they were relevant to proving their case and offered elements that video footage of the incident could not. The defense refuted the relevance, adding descriptions of the shooting would inflame the passions of the jury during the trial.

Judge Cheryl Matthews will make a decision on their testimony at a later point.

The witness list isn't the only outstanding issue that must be resolved before jury selection, which is scheduled for March 5. Crumbley also argued through his attorney that a change of venue was needed in order to have a fair trial.
 

Updated: 7:42 AM EST Feb 22, 2024
Tim Callery

PONTIAC, Mich. (FOX 2) - The judge expected to oversee James Crumbley's involuntary manslaughter trial elected to allow the former owner of the weapon used in the Oxford High School shooting to testify during the defendant's upcoming trial.

The prosecution sought to allow two victims of the shooting as witnesses as well, arguing Wednesday during a motion hearing they were relevant to proving their case and offered elements that video footage of the incident could not. The defense refuted the relevance, adding descriptions of the shooting would inflame the passions of the jury during the trial.

Judge Cheryl Matthews will make a decision on their testimony at a later point.

The witness list isn't the only outstanding issue that must be resolved before jury selection, which is scheduled for March 5. Crumbley also argued through his attorney that a change of venue was needed in order to have a fair trial.

BBM

Isn't that the point?? How terrified people felt with this guy walking around and randomly shooting people?
 

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