Oxford, MI School Shooting *Ethan Crumbley GUILTY PLEA* - *Mom & Dad GUILTY of manslaughter*

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I would like for the parents to explain how, if true that it was kept in an unlocked drawer, that he did not have free access to it, plus them basically saying they bought it FOR him for an early Christmas present.
 
A law enforcement official tells CNN the Detroit Police Department has identified a person considered to be a person of interest after they were seen in surveillance footage “aiding and abetting” then-fugitives James and Jennifer Crumbley as they hid out in the industrial building where they were found by police early Saturday.

The unknown person was seen guiding the Crumbleys, the parents of Oxford High School shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley, as they parked their vehicle in the back of the building where the pair was eventually found, the law enforcement official said.
Surveillance footage also shows the Crumbleys entering the building during daylight hours, the official said.
The law enforcement official tells CNN that it was at this same building where a 911 caller spotted Jennifer Crumbley on the sidewalk outside of the structure “visibly distressed.”

The Crumbleys were later found locked inside an art studio that was located on the third floor of the building, the official said.

 
A law enforcement official tells CNN the Detroit Police Department has identified a person considered to be a person of interest after they were seen in surveillance footage “aiding and abetting” then-fugitives James and Jennifer Crumbley as they hid out in the industrial building where they were found by police early Saturday.


The law enforcement official tells CNN that it was at this same building where a 911 caller spotted Jennifer Crumbley on the sidewalk outside of the structure “visibly distressed.”

The Crumbleys were later found locked inside an art studio that was located on the third floor of the building, the official said.

so was it the 3rd floor or the basement???

:thinking:
 

McDonald said a teacher saw Ethan Crumbley searching ammunition on his cell phone during class the day before the shooting and reported it to school officials. The school contacted Jennifer Crumbley via voicemail. Officials also sent an email but received no response from either parent, McDonald said.

"Jennifer Crumbley exchanged text messages about the incident with her son on that day, stating, quote, 'LOL, I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught.' End quote," McDonald said.

The day of the shooting, a teacher found a note on Ethan Crumbley's desk that alarmed her so much she took a picture of it on her phone, McDonald said. The note included a drawing of a semiautomatic handgun pointing at the words, "The thoughts won't stop. Help me," she said.

Another section was a drawing of a bullet with the words "Blood Everywhere" written above it. Between the drawing of the gun and the bullet is one of a person who seems to have been shot twice and is bleeding, McDonald said.

"Below that figure is a drawing of a laughing emoji," McDonald said.

Also found on the note, according to McDonald: "My life is useless" and "The world is dead."

James and Jennifer Crumbley were "immediately summoned to the school," McDonald said. A counselor met with the parents and the boy, who had altered the drawing by scratching out the drawings of the gun and bloody figure, along with the words, according to McDonald.

The parents were told to get their son into counseling within 48 hours, McDonald said. Neither parent asked their son to see the gun or "inspect his backpack for the presence of the gun which he had with him," according to McDonald.

The parents left school and the boy was sent back to class.

When news broke about the shooting, according to McDonald, Jennifer Crumbley sent her son a text: "Ethan, don't do it." James Crumbley called 911 to report a gun was missing and his son might be the shooter.

McDonald said investigators found that the gun used in the shooting had been stored unlocked in a drawer in the couple's bedroom.
I came here because I had time to look into why they were arresting the parents and now I understand.

“My kid would never do that” can be a dangerous frame of mind as a parent. You gotta make sure you have a handle on your kids. That’s our job.
 
“My kid would never do that” can be a dangerous frame of mind as a parent. You gotta make sure you have a handle on your kids. That’s our job.
Except, it seems that they DID know their kid could do that. Hence the "Don't do it" text message.
They knew and saw his drawings of people being shot, "help", etc. They knew he had access to a gun. They insisted he go back to class.
Then once their child is arrested and probably scared in jail (not that I feel sorry for him), they flee. Wonderful parents.

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Except, it seems that they DID know their kid could do that. Hence the "Don't do it" text message.
They knew and saw his drawings of people being shot, "help", etc. They knew he had access to a gun. They insisted he go back to class.
Then once their child is arrested and probably scared in jail (not that I feel sorry for him), they flee. Wonderful parents.

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Exactly!
 
Could others be charged, liable in Michigan school shooting?
A prosecutor continues to criticize the decision to keep a teenager in a Michigan school before a shooting that killed four students last week, raising questions about whether staff and the school district will face liability — criminal or civil — in the tragedy.

"We should all be looking at the events that led up to that horrific event," Karen McDonald told ABC's "Good Morning America." "And as a community, as a school, as a nation talk about what we could have done different so that didn't happen. And in this case, a lot could have been done different."


COULD SCHOOL STAFF FACE CHARGES?

The prosecutor has sharpened her comments about the school. Two days after the Nov. 30 shooting, she said she hadn't seen any "criminal culpability" by staff and was reluctant to blame anyone besides Crumbley and his parents.

But her tone was different Monday.

"That's an investigative process that I'll leave to law enforcement. I can tell you that there is outrage in the community," said McDonald, questioning why Crumbley's parents were allowed to make the ultimate decision to keep him in school that day.

Oxford Superintendent Tim Throne said counselors met with the boy and his parents on the day of the shooting. They concluded he was not a risk to himself or others, according to Throne, but told James and Jennifer Crumbley to get him outside counseling within 48 hours or they would call child welfare officials.

The Crumbleys "flatly refused" to take their son home, said Throne, who plans a separate investigation of what happened that day.

"I see a lot of negligence, but I don't foresee charges against anyone in the school," said David Steingold, a Detroit-area defense attorney. "You would have to show specific intent. No one on the staff intended to commit a crime."

WHAT IS A COUNSELOR'S ROLE?

When faced with the drawing and writings found in Oxford, a counselor would be concerned about suicidal thoughts, not signs of a possible mass homicide, said Carolyn Stone of the University of North Florida, an expert in ethical and legal issues for school counselors.

Crumbley's parents never told counselors about buying a gun just days earlier, the superintendent said.

"The counselors made a judgment based on their professional training and clinical experience and did not have all the facts we now know," Throne said, referring to keeping Crumbley in school instead of sending him home to an empty house.

COULD THE SCHOOL FACE CIVIL LAWSUITS?

The shooting left four students dead and injured six more students and a staff member. Students barricaded themselves in classrooms and even fled through a first-floor window. The prosecutor said the entire school was "terrorized."

Personal-injury lawyers expressed doubt that the Oxford district could be successfully sued for letting Crumbley stay in school. That's because Michigan law sets a high bar to wring liability out of public schools and other arms of government.

Even if gross negligence can be demonstrated, someone who sues must also show it was a proximate cause of death or injury, he said.

"Because the staff didn't hold the trigger, they can't be held liable because of government immunity. They knew he was distraught. Immunity is counterintuitive to public safety," Colella said.
 
From the link above:

The complaint says that on social media, “Ethan Crumbley posted countdowns and threats of bodily harm” and that parents complained to administrators about such social media messages in the weeks before the shooting, but that the superintendent, Tim Throne, and principal, Steven Wolf, said the threats were not credible.

The suit also states that school officials did not involve the campus safety officer in the meeting with Mr. Crumbley and his parents on the day of the shooting. It says that the principal and dean of students were in the meeting with Mr. Crumbley. Mr. Fieger did not immediately respond to a question about the source of this information.
 
Yesterday, I got a message from a Dean at the HS about my youngest son, little vacuum (he is now 16 and a sophomore). Called him right back and he said they got an anonymous report that my son was vaping in the bathroom. Dean said they searched his backpack and didn't find anything so he was already back in class, just calling to let me know. They searched my son for fricking suspected vaping and not one person at the school searched the backpack of this shooter.

Boggles my mind!!
 
Yesterday, I got a message from a Dean at the HS about my youngest son, little vacuum (he is now 16 and a sophomore). Called him right back and he said they got an anonymous report that my son was vaping in the bathroom. Dean said they searched his backpack and didn't find anything so he was already back in class, just calling to let me know. They searched my son for fricking suspected vaping and not one person at the school searched the backpack of this shooter.

Boggles my mind!!
That's why I can't believe NObody checked his backpack! The schools here search lockers and backpacks all the time for such minor things with little evidence of any wrongdoing.
 

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