Oxford, MI School Shooting *Ethan Crumbley GUILTY PLEA* - *Mom & Dad GUILTY of manslaughter*

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Guess Who said:
That's why I can't believe NObody checked his backpack! The schools here search lockers and backpacks all the time for such minor things with little evidence of any wrongdoing.
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Why would the school check his backpack if they hadn't been notified of the SM posts though?

Now, the parents should have searched it right then & there since they bought him the gun.
 
kdg411 said:
Why would the school check his backpack if they hadn't been notified of the SM posts though?

Now, the parents should have searched it right then & there since they bought him the gun.
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The schools here would have simply because of the nature of the reason why they were calling in the parents in the first place, then add that he was caught looking for ammo at school just prior to that. They wouldn't have needed the SM posts for a reason. They had plenty right there.

There is no excuse for the parent's actions/inactions though.
 
My school here won't hesitate to search a student's backpack, but I honestly don't know if it would have been done in this case.

The biggest thing in my mind is that he shouldn't have gone back to class. If the school is going to "require" that he have a mental health evaluation within 48 hours, he needs to be out of school until that time. If they're concerned that he's a danger to himself or others, he shouldn't be in school.

Here, we do "emergency expulsion". It can be for drugs, violence, or whatever. But essentially you're expelled until there is a follow-up, meeting with parents, requirements met, etc. These almost always turn into suspensions when the student is allowed back after x amount of days. But to get them out of the school for right now, it's an emergency expulsion. And no amount of parents saying "whatever" or "he's fine" is going to get them back into school early.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
My school here won't hesitate to search a student's backpack, but I honestly don't know if it would have been done in this case.

The biggest thing in my mind is that he shouldn't have gone back to class. If the school is going to "require" that he have a mental health evaluation within 48 hours, he needs to be out of school until that time. If they're concerned that he's a danger to himself or others, he shouldn't be in school.

Here, we do "emergency expulsion". It can be for drugs, violence, or whatever. But essentially you're expelled until there is a follow-up, meeting with parents, requirements met, etc. These almost always turn into suspensions when the student is allowed back after x amount of days. But to get them out of the school for right now, it's an emergency expulsion. And no amount of parents saying "whatever" or "he's fine" is going to get them back into school early.
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That is exactly what happens here, too. I am nearly 100% confident that he would not have been allowed back into class and would have been in ISS at the very least.
 
kdg411 said:
What does interviewing the students have to do with parents case?
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The prosecutor? I read it as she is speaking for both the parents case and Ethan's since she is the prosecutor on them. I didn't see anywhere, but could have overlooked it, that any students are being interviewed for their case.

If that is the case though, it could be for what students knew about the relationship between parents and Ethan and the environment of their home.
 
Guess Who said:
The prosecutor? I read it as she is speaking for both the parents case and Ethan's since she is the prosecutor on them. I didn't see anywhere, but could have overlooked it, that any students are being interviewed for their case.

If that is the case though, it could be for what students knew about the relationship between parents and Ethan and the environment of their home.
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"We anticipate 15 to 20 witnesses and it (the preliminary exam) to take three to five days," McDonald told Nicholson, adding about 500 pages of discovery — from interviews and investigative processes — had been provided to defense attorneys on Monday.

"Which is about one-third of our discovery," McDonald said.

Nicholson signed a protective order Tuesday restricting the release of crime scene and autopsy photographs.

"Those items of discovery shall be permitted to be shown to defense counsels at the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office upon request by defense counsels, at a date and time mutually convenient between the parties," the order reads.

*(I took this to mean the parents preliminary exam, not their son's.)
 
kdg411 said:
"We anticipate 15 to 20 witnesses and it (the preliminary exam) to take three to five days," McDonald told Nicholson, adding about 500 pages of discovery — from interviews and investigative processes — had been provided to defense attorneys on Monday.

"Which is about one-third of our discovery," McDonald said.

Nicholson signed a protective order Tuesday restricting the release of crime scene and autopsy photographs.

"Those items of discovery shall be permitted to be shown to defense counsels at the Oakland County Prosecutor's Office upon request by defense counsels, at a date and time mutually convenient between the parties," the order reads.

*(I took this to mean the parents preliminary exam, not their son's.)
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but where does it specify students being interviewed(that's the part I was questioning) ? I only see that funerals of the slain students have just taken place and the upcoming holidays make it better for any interviews to take place after the first of the year (i agree with that reasoning)
 
Guess Who said:
but where does it specify students being interviewed(that's the part I was questioning) ? I only see that funerals of the slain students have just taken place and the upcoming holidays make it better for any interviews to take place after the first of the year (i agree with that reasoning)
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McDonald asked the court for an adjournment until next year because of the large amount of evidence to be reviewed in the case. She noted funerals for students killed in the attack had just taken place and that continuing to interview multiple witnesses to the shootings would better be handled after the holidays.

*(I assumed multiple witnesses to the shooting to be students. Maybe I misunderstood that statement.)
 
kdg411 said:
McDonald asked the court for an adjournment until next year because of the large amount of evidence to be reviewed in the case. She noted funerals for students killed in the attack had just taken place and that continuing to interview multiple witnesses to the shootings would better be handled after the holidays.

*(I assumed multiple witnesses to the shooting to be students. Maybe I misunderstood that statement.)
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that makes sense.
 
mooresvilletribune.com

Michigan school district sets new safety plan after shooting

OXFORD, Mich. (AP) — Administrators in a Michigan school district where four students were shot to death at its high school announced Tuesday that a zero tolerance policy toward threats
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Michigan school district sets new safety plan after shooting​

Administrators in a Michigan school district where four students were shot to death at its high school announced Tuesday that a zero tolerance policy toward threats was being adopted, as well as other initiatives aimed at improving safety.

The Oxford Community Schools Board of Education was told of the changes at its board meeting — two weeks after the Nov. 30 shooting at Oxford High School that also wounded six students and a teacher.

“Anything that is remotely violent immediately goes to the administration and law enforcement,” said Jill Lemond, assistant superintendent of student services.

Students also will be removed from the school until a mental health evaluation has been completed.

Law enforcement also will be present in all district schools and a security firm has been hired to make sure every building has its own security guard. Backpacks will no longer be allowed in schools and the district is working with a vendor to provide clear backpacks, she added.


Lori Bourgeau, 45, an Oxford Village councilwoman and parent of an 11th-grader, pointed a finger at the board and policies in place before the shooting.

“Who sets the example of where the complaints (about students) go?" Bourgeau said during public participation at Tuesday night's meeting. "You let it stay with the counselor and the dean of students, only. Searching for ammo. Letters, pictures of shooting and there’s no disciplinary file? That’s not OK. Don’t let a kid come in and search for ammo and go back to class. You set the tone. I wish you would have done that a month ago. You could have saved lives.”
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
mooresvilletribune.com

Michigan school district sets new safety plan after shooting

OXFORD, Mich. (AP) — Administrators in a Michigan school district where four students were shot to death at its high school announced Tuesday that a zero tolerance policy toward threats
mooresvilletribune.com mooresvilletribune.com

Michigan school district sets new safety plan after shooting​

Administrators in a Michigan school district where four students were shot to death at its high school announced Tuesday that a zero tolerance policy toward threats was being adopted, as well as other initiatives aimed at improving safety.

The Oxford Community Schools Board of Education was told of the changes at its board meeting — two weeks after the Nov. 30 shooting at Oxford High School that also wounded six students and a teacher.

“Anything that is remotely violent immediately goes to the administration and law enforcement,” said Jill Lemond, assistant superintendent of student services.

Students also will be removed from the school until a mental health evaluation has been completed.

Law enforcement also will be present in all district schools and a security firm has been hired to make sure every building has its own security guard. Backpacks will no longer be allowed in schools and the district is working with a vendor to provide clear backpacks, she added.


Lori Bourgeau, 45, an Oxford Village councilwoman and parent of an 11th-grader, pointed a finger at the board and policies in place before the shooting.

“Who sets the example of where the complaints (about students) go?" Bourgeau said during public participation at Tuesday night's meeting. "You let it stay with the counselor and the dean of students, only. Searching for ammo. Letters, pictures of shooting and there’s no disciplinary file? That’s not OK. Don’t let a kid come in and search for ammo and go back to class. You set the tone. I wish you would have done that a month ago. You could have saved lives.”
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I wonder why metal detectors haven't been introduced? They were a deterrent in my high school & that was a long time ago. Just my thoughts.
 
From my district:
Good afternoon, parents, this is Dr. Karen Barber, district superintendent for Santa Rosa County Schools with an important message. Today is Thursday, December 16.

My call is to keep you updated with important and timely safety information. It is imperative for you to be informed so you can make good decisions regarding your student and his or her safety. A rumor has been circulating on TikTok based on a vague threat of school violence not associated with Santa Rosa County District Schools.

After evaluating the available information with law enforcement, we have no credible evidence of a specific threat to students’ safety at any school. If your child is active on social media, please take time to emphasize the responsibility he or she has to always tell an adult first if there is something concerning on social media.

A FortifyFL button for anonymous reporting is available 24/7 on your school’s web site. Please refrain from reacting to or sharing any social media posts that do not originate directly from our school, the school district or law enforcement.

The staff at our school will be vigilant, as always, and school activities at all schools will continue as scheduled tomorrow. As always, the safety and security of our students and staff are our highest priority. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work diligently to keep everyone safe.
 
daisy7 said:
From my district:
Good afternoon, parents, this is Dr. Karen Barber, district superintendent for Santa Rosa County Schools with an important message. Today is Thursday, December 16.

My call is to keep you updated with important and timely safety information. It is imperative for you to be informed so you can make good decisions regarding your student and his or her safety. A rumor has been circulating on TikTok based on a vague threat of school violence not associated with Santa Rosa County District Schools.

After evaluating the available information with law enforcement, we have no credible evidence of a specific threat to students’ safety at any school. If your child is active on social media, please take time to emphasize the responsibility he or she has to always tell an adult first if there is something concerning on social media.

A FortifyFL button for anonymous reporting is available 24/7 on your school’s web site. Please refrain from reacting to or sharing any social media posts that do not originate directly from our school, the school district or law enforcement.

The staff at our school will be vigilant, as always, and school activities at all schools will continue as scheduled tomorrow. As always, the safety and security of our students and staff are our highest priority. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we work diligently to keep everyone safe.
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Here's the notice from our school district

Mehlville School District has become aware of a troubling post that has been shared widely this week on the social media platform TikTok. The post refers to a threat to school safety “for every school in the USA, even elementary,” on Friday, December 17.

The post appears to be part of a national TikTok trend and did not originate in our school district. We have heard reports from other districts that the same post is circulating in their schools. While we do not believe the threat to be credible, we are closely monitoring the situation and taking it seriously.

Additionally, the district has been in contact with St. Louis County Police Department on this matter. They are aware of these posts, are monitoring the situation and are continuing to provide support to our schools.

This situation serves as a good example of why it is important to avoid sharing posts online that refer to school safety threats. Even if they are not credible threats, they can cause a great deal of stress and anxiety for our students, families, and staff. We ask our families to monitor their children’s social media activity and speak with them about proper behavior online.

Remind your children that if they see or hear something concerning, report it to a trusted adult. In most cases, it is a student, parent or staff member who alerts us or law enforcement to a potential concern. Information on how to report a safety concern is available on the safety section of our website.

As always, thank you for your partnership as we work to ensure a safe, secure and positive learning environment for our students.
 
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