Oxford, MI School Shooting *Ethan Crumbley GUILTY PLEA* - *Mom & Dad GUILTY of manslaughter*

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SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
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Ethan Crumbley's attorney says guilty plea possible in Oxford High School shooting case

Ethan Crumbley's attorney said, after waiving the preliminary hearing, a plea deal is possible for the teen accused of shooting and killing four students at Oxford High School.
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Ethan Crumbley's attorney says guilty plea possible in Oxford High School shooting case​

Ethan Crumbley, the 15-year-old charged with shooting and killing four students at Oxford High School and injuring seven others, could enter a guilty plea, according to his attorney who spoke with FOX 2's Charlie Langton on WWJ Friday morning.

Langton, who reports for both FOX 2 and WWJ, spoke with Crumbley's attorney Paulette Michel Loftin just moments after Crumbley waived his preliminary hearing in the Oxford High School shooting. She said that there is a possibility that Crumbley could enter a guilty plea in the mass shooting but that is dependent on conversations with the Oakland County Prosecutor.

"I do think there's a possibility (of a plea). It is too early. We haven't reviewed all of the discovery yet; there is still some forthcoming. I think it's too early to jump to that phase, but that is a definite possibility." Loftin said that there have not been any discussions regarding anything less serious than first degree murder.



Loftin said that a hearing regarding Crumbley's competency is not being considered at this point.

"I've talked with him about ten times now (and) never had a situation where I felt that he wasn't understanding me. The guardian is of the same opinion. Competency is not an issue, at this very second. Obviously we may address that in the future or may address criminal responsibility, which is another aspect of competency," Loftin said.
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I'm rather surprised that the public defender is making such a bold statement this early on in a case.
 
The parents too. Anything less than 1st degree murder is an insult to the families. Life in prison.
 


The recording starts at approx. 25:12. It's not really informative at this time. The Judge has scheduled a status conference for January 18th 2022 @ 2pm which will be for the attorneys only to schedule the in person arraignment date.
 
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Ethan Crumbley pleads not guilty to Oxford mass shooting charges in circuit court, trial looms

Ethan Crumbley had another not guilty plea entered on his behalf during a court hearing Wednesday afternoon.
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Ethan Crumbley pleads not guilty to Oxford mass shooting charges in circuit court, trial looms​

Ethan Crumbley had another not guilty plea entered on his behalf during a court hearing Wednesday afternoon.

Crumbley appeared for his circuit court arraignment virtually after he was bound over for trial last week on terrorism and murder charges in connection with the mass shooting at Oxford High School.

Crumbley’s felony case now goes to Oakland County Circuit Court where was arraigned on the felony charges again. He had the option to enter a different plea, but a not guilty plea was again entered on his behalf by his attorney.

The next court hearing is scheduled for Jan. 19, but Crumbley is not required to be present at that hearing.


Meanwhile, Ethan Crumbley’s parents, Jennifer and James Crumbley, are each facing four counts of involuntary manslaughter. Their request for a bond reduction was denied last week. Their bonds remain set at $500,000. A preliminary examination hearing is scheduled for Feb. 8.
 
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Oxford High School reopening nearly 2 months after shooting

The Michigan high school where four students were fatally shot is reopening for the first time since the Nov. 30 tragedy.
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Oxford High School reopening nearly 2 months after shooting​

The Michigan high school where four students were fatally shot is reopening for the first time since the Nov. 30 tragedy.

Officials planned to welcome students back to Oxford High School on Monday.

The students have been attending classes at other buildings since Jan. 10.

Principal Steve Wolf said in a video posted Sunday that "we are reclaiming our high school back."
 
Has any school shooter tried the insanity defense before? I can't recall any off the top of my head however the Parkland case would have been the best one to try that.
 
daisy7 said:
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Family of Oxford shooting victim Tate Myre to sue Crumbley family, school employees

The family of 16-year-old Tate Myre along with three other Oxford students, plan to sue the Crumbley family and several Oxford High School officials.
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Unfortunately, they won't see any money from the parents however someone should take responsibility. I just don't know if the school could have prevented this. Since we don't have all the information about what (if) the social media posts made by Ethan even reached the schools attention. Is financial compensation going to bring back their child, no. Are families trying to make a different statement with this lawsuit? Too many questions still unanswered.
 
Guess Who said:
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Jennifer Crumbley, Ethan Crumbley's mother, sent ominous texts on day of shooting: 'He can't be left alone'

Two witnesses testified in a Michigan county courtroom on Tuesday that the mother of Oxford High School shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley sent ominous texts on the day of the shooting.
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So he "can't be left alone". Why? Because she thought he was depressed and going to commit suicide? If he was in that much of a mental health crisis where he couldn't be alone, he should have been taken home / taken to treatment.
And then immediately upon learning of a shooting at the school, you "know" your depressed, suicidal son did it?

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Don't get me wrong. Ethan is the one who chose to do this and should absolutely be held accountable for his actions. I don't think anyone is questioning that.
But Ethan is also a 15-year-old kid whose parents ignored every warning sign possible and failed to act to get him help. Even if you don't think he's capable of something like this, wouldn't you want to get him help so he doesn't harm himself? They knew he "had no friends". They knew he was depressed and possibly suicidal. They were shown the concerning drawings. Instead of getting him help, they decided to buy him a gun.

The defense's argument is that they had no way to know their son would shoot students at his school that day. That's why they're accused of involuntary manslaughter. Negligence leading to the deaths of these kids.

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Opinion | Parents Need to Be Held Accountable in School Shootings

A conviction would set an outer limit on how permissive they can be with firearms.
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Parents aren’t to blame for their children’s mental illness, of course. And as anyone who has ever been a parent will confirm, it’s impossible to fully prevent or even anticipate a child’s misbehavior, whether it’s minor or extremely serious. We don’t hold parents criminally accountable for everything their children do.

But it’s different when adults buy a child a gun, oversee their child’s training to use it and leave the gun where it is readily accessible. It’s worse still when parents conceal the child’s access to the gun from school officials, who warn them he is having vivid, violent fantasies, and then insist to those officials that he remain at school.

Ms. McDonald pointed to that note in explaining her decision to charge the parents. “The notion that a parent could read those words and also know their son had access to a deadly weapon, that they gave him, is unconscionable, and I think it’s criminal.”

Involuntary manslaughter does not require an intent to kill; instead prosecutors must establish gross negligence beyond a reasonable doubt.

That means the prosecution must show more than mere carelessness. In the parents’ case, prosecutors will have to prove that the Crumbleys knew he posed a danger to others and that they failed to take steps that could have prevented the shooting — by securing the gun out of his reach, for instance, or checking his backpack before he returned to the classroom. Jurors must be convinced that it would have been clear to a reasonable person that it was likely that someone could be seriously injured if the parents didn’t take those steps.
 
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