PAUL & MAGGIE MURDAUGH: South Carolina vs. Alex Murdaugh for Double Homicide of wife & son *GUILTY*

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This case is being kept pretty quiet, no major details released to speak of (other than it does say there were two different guns used), but no info regarding who found them, who called 911, very little else.

Of interest, the grandfather died just a few days after these murders and it sounds as if he was ill from various articles so probably not unexpected. I think of the typical motives, did grandpa have a big estate? How big in the overall family of grandpa's on down? They sound like a pretty well known family and a powerful one in their state, more on that in the article.


 
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Oh my - just saw this headline. No time to watch it till later but posting for review.


I saw this last night but didn't sweat it when I realized it was Nancy. I've went into a few of her shows that sound current only to find out they are old news. HOWEVER, I'\m not sure so I'll give it a couple of minutes for all since I do have the time and it is a day off. And I'll report back.

When I saw the headline I figured it was just hype and sensationalism over the fact of the appeal, etc. I HOPE it's nothing more.

Again, I will report back. My eyes aren't wide open yet but still should be able to determine it I hope fairly quickly.
 
I'll give it a few more minutes as lol it's interesting but pretty sure it's "hypothetical". She's talking of reading the tea leaves and predicting with the SC SC will do (lol same initials, but South Carolina Supreme Court). She then says is she supposed to believe his lawyers or the court clerk accused of wrongdoing and does a big hmmm. Only Nancy lol. I am FAIRLY certain it is hypothetical but will give it some more minutes, probably won't watch all before my coffee gets brewed and then kicks in. I figured as much when I saw her headline last night but ONLY because I've fallen for such with her before... I DO like her sarcastic remarks so far though so I may well watch it all later... :D
 
Okay. I've watched enough to ascertain I am pretty sure it is hypothetical and what the higher court could determine. I kind of figured as much when I saw it last night but ONLY because I have fallen for such before with Nancy.

HOWEVER, quite a few minutes, it IS a good show as to who to believe and her guest discussing possibilties about the one juror, etc... And again whether to believe "his" lawyers or a "clerk" accused of things... I take that to mean neither is highly credible...

Personally I struggle with the whole thing being a bit sus myself...

Speaking of corruption in positions of power from his attorneys to the Clerk to Alex himself well, this is the case ripe for those whose focus that is. I also hate such but I don't see it in every case. This one, however, starts with corruption in the perp himself from a family of power and the entire area and his cronies..

Nancy's in good form, ya know, the time you kind of like the sarcasm and wit...

It's too early for me to take the entire show on and too much lack of coffee yet but I might just watch it all if the day doesn't go south on me.

Lots to do and the realty thing and home sale kicking issues again. Sigh. And only just about to have the first sip of java.
 
This guy has bought the property and 21 acres from the guys who purchased the whole 2k acres.

Eyeroll. First, I'd certainly not believe he didn't know him or perhaps one of his attorneys or someone else. Sarcasm: Was he paid a million dollars under the table to say this and buy the property... Lol. Or he really wants attention. Taking this with a total grain of salt.

I wish I recalled the details but don't, but do know they went into where he likely was when he shot each and so on. I'd also state that this would relate only to Paul and not to both Maggie and Paul, aim I right? Paul was the one shot re the kennels I believe and not Maggie.

Let's also recall which I do Alex wanted it thought to be two killers with two different firearms and put thought into making it appear to be two different killers and perhaps that included height. No matter what, this is just some random apparently paid or attention seeking dude.

I believe he was in the doorway was he not at least at one point? I can't remember if crouching was talked of, shooting from the hip, etc. but I seem to recall the thought he was on the four wheeler or side by side, whatever it was, wasn't he with at least one shot, at Maggie maybe?

Personally, I see absolutely no reason to even entertain this man's b.s. but making just a few points regardless. All of this was looked at and I think even argued if I recall.

I also find it pretty difficult to believe every neighbor around thinks Alex innocent.

I guess one could look back at the testimony but it seems to me this was all explained or went into more than adequately. I don't recall ALL but I know the prosecuting attorney did a great job throughout the trial. Creighton wasn't it? Memory fuzzy.

This man sounds a bit simple quite honestly.

And while he says the place is for a secondary residence, I wouldn't be so sure he isn't going to flip it. He got it for a mill when priced at two. He's adding an addition onto the already too big house. He's cleaning up the place taking things down, and quickly. HE would have a real interest in removing any stigma for any future buyers and adding appeal.

Those are my thoughts anyhow. I'd be very interested in if he is doing a lot of the work himself and what his job is or money making ways are... Or if he came from money as Alex did...

In summary, I see it as a nothing burger, but interesting and I guess he thinks he will save Alex by saving the door, etc. LOL.
 
He bought the property at auction it says for a million and it was priced at $1.9 m so i guess no one else wanted it.

I just thought it was interesting to see what is happening to the property. Also, the article says most locals think Alex is innocent. So i wonder who they think killed them?

I too don't remember anything much about bullet except it was from his guns right? Or trajectory or anything like that or even if they definitely identified the bullets and the gun but is he appealing ? I cannot remember all the exact details, except it was a long trial.
 
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He bought the property at auction it says for a million and it was priced at $1.9 m so i guess no one else wanted it.

I just thought it was interesting to see what is happening to the property. Also, the article says most locals think Alex is innocent. So i wonder who they think killed them?

I too don't remember anything much about bullet except it was from his guns right? Or trajectory or anything like that or even if they definitely identified the bullets and the gun but is he appealing ? I cannot remember all the exact details, except it was a long trial.
Yes so he bought it for basically 1/2 of what they figured the split home and was it 21 acres from the original 1700 acres or whatever was worth and so a good flip at 1/2 price is my thinking but who knows...

As far as neighbors thinking Alex innocent uhm there may be be just like one neighbor of the original 1700 acres or not too many anyhow. Did it say locals, I know he said the neighboring people...

I think it was implied it was Paul's gun with one. He had bought he and Buster matching but I believe different colored guns of some type... And wasn't a gun missing too... Memory is getting bad with cases with too many details any longer, too many over involved big cases OR I'm just losing it, not sure.

It is interesting, I'm simply not giving it much credence nor him much credence. I think most likely he has a self interest here is his main reason for it.

Not sure but think the D may have even tried to make it two different sized men did this so he is simply fitting in with that but it was explained by the P and Alex did try to make it appear to be wo different killers...
 
Couple of links.

First one is about the appeals and the second is saying the boat accident is settled.

From August. ( maybe we knew this already.)


From October.


From the above link.


Alex Murdaugh has settled a lawsuit brought by the family of a teen killed in a boat crash involving Murdaugh's youngest son that prosecutors said provoked the disgraced South Carolina attorney to later kill his wife and their son who wrecked the boat.

The agreement by an insurer to pay the $500,000 policy Alex Murdaugh had on the boat ends the wrongful death suit that ultimately pried open Murdaugh's finances and laid bare his schemes to steal millions from his clients and his law firm.

The family of 19-year-old Mallory Beach sued the Murdaugh family and others after authorities said the boat Paul Murdaugh was driving crashed into a Beaufort County bridge in February 2019. Beach was killed and several others were injured.

Mallory Beach
At the time of her death in a fatal boating accident in 2019, Mallory Beach was just 19 years old. She had graduated Wade Hampton High School and worked at a clothing boutique in Beaufort, South Carolina. Her family says she had dreams of becoming an interior designer.LYNN REAVIS
Paul Murdaugh, who was 19 at the time of the crash, was charged with felony boating under the influence. Investigators said he had a blood alcohol level over 0.28% — more than three times the legal limit.


Beach's family already received more than $15 million from a settlement with the Parker's Kitchen chain of convenience stores and others, as well as lawsuits with a family that held an oyster roast the group on the boat attended, a bar that served Paul Murdaugh liquor just before the crash, and Paul Murdaugh's older brother, Buster, whose ID he used to buy the beer.

A snag with the insurer of the boat, Progressive, prevented the entire case from being settled last summer. Progressive wouldn't pay until Alex Murdaugh was dropped as a defendant in the Beach family's lawsuit, according to court records.

Once special receivers assured all Murdaugh's assets were paid out, Beach's family agreed to end the case and the insurer paid the $500,000, Judge Daniel Hall wrote in an order filed Monday.

Court records indicate the other passengers on the boat who were injured have also settled their lawsuits against Murdaugh and others involved in the crash.

Alex Murdaugh, 56, is serving life without parole for the June 2021 shooting deaths of his wife, Maggie, and son Paul at their Colleton County home. He has denied killing them and is appealing his murder convictions.

But even if his murder convictions are overturned, he will remain in prison. Murdaugh admitted stealing around $12 million from his family's law firm and from clients including a man who became a quadriplegic after a crash and from a trust fund intended for children whose parents were killed in a wreck. He was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison.

Prosecutors said one of the last things Murdaugh did before heading home the night of the killings was work on a financial statement he would likely have to present at a court hearing for the Beach lawsuit scheduled three days later.

Murdaugh feared an investigation into his statement would show he stole millions from clients and his law firm, prosecutors said, and the killings were a sinister, methodical plan to buy time to straighten out his finances and derail the wrongful death suit over the boat crash.

The lawsuit, which became known in the true crime world as the "Boat Case," showed both his family's longtime influence over Hampton County where for decades they controlled much of the criminal and civil courts and cracks in their control of their rural empire.

Nurses at the hospital where the injured teens were taken said Paul Murdaugh and his father tried to talk to them alone in the emergency room. One teen said it appeared the family was trying to convince them to say someone other than Paul Murdaugh was driving the boat.

Beach's lawyer Mark Tinsley testified at Alex Murdaugh's murder trial that he wanted him to pay $10 million, and Murdaugh's lawyer said he was broke and might be able to scrape together $1 million.

Tinsley said that didn't make sense with Murdaugh's reputation and outward signs of wealth and asked for records of all of Murdaugh's finances for the lawsuit hearing, which was postponed following the killings.

Alex Murdaugh killed his son Paul with two shotgun blasts and his 52-year-old wife, Maggie, with four or five rifle shots outside their home, authorities said.

Alex Murdaugh said he called 911 after finding the bodies following a brief visit to see his ailing mother.

He told investigators who arrived that he wondered if the anger toward his son over the boat crash led to the killings.
 
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I think we knew a amount of this but think this has more detail than I recall knowing or perhaps with all the murder stuff and other charges, just didn't recall some of this detail. Which was what Alex wanted right, a distraction...

It's going to be strange with Delphi basically over.

Daybell is over other than the other charges against Lori where trial will probably end up long delayed.
 
Ok this is one of the jurors speaking in a Court TV interview and it is painful. If she is one of the appeal witnesses then i don't know what to think. She seems she was easily swayed in the deliberations. See what you think. Her lawyer speaks at the end. He represents the two jurors, this on and the egg juror, who is writing a book.

 
OMG Lafitte gets a new trial. This was over a juror too. He is being released after serving only two years out of his sentencd of seven years, so I bet he pleads guilty in the retrial with the court accepting his time already served.


A federal court has reversed the conviction of Alex Murdaugh’s alleged fraud accomplice Russell Laffitte, according to court records.

On Thursday, a panel of judges in the US 4th Circuit Court of Appeals handed down a 37-page unanimous ruling overturning Laffitte's conviction.

The panel's ruling determined that Judge Richard Gergel's decision to replace a juror with an alternate during jury deliberations was a violation of Laffitte's Sixth Amendment right to an impartial jury, according to The State.


The ruling concluded that there was a "reasonable and substantial possibility" that the removal of the first juror was a result of her views on the case, noting that she disagreed with the other jurors and was replaced. After she was replaced, the jury "returned a guilty verdict in less than an hour," according to the ruling.

The panel also determined that Gergel violated Laffitte's Fifth Amendment right to be present for the judge's questioning of the removed juror. That discussion occurred in a closed proceeding which Laffitte and his lawyers were not permitted to attend.

Russell Laffitte sitting at the defense table during his 2022 trial

Russell Laffitte sitting at the defense table during his 2022 trial (Law & Crime)
The ruling only took issue with the judge's actions; the prosecutors' actions during the trial were not called into question.


“In accordance with the decision of this court, the defendant’s convictions and sentence are vacated. These cases are remanded to the district court for further proceedings consistent with the court’s decision,” the panel wrote.

Laffitte will face a new trial on the same charges, according to US Attorney Adair Ford Boroughs.

“The Fourth Circuit ordered a retrial based only on the district court’s replacement of a deliberating juror. Its ruling has no impact on the charges against Laffitte going forward. We respect the court’s decision and stand ready to prove Laffitte’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt a second time,” he said.

Murdaugh was convicted last year for killing his wife and son in what prosecutors argued was an attempt to conceal his financial crimes. His son was the focus of a boating incident that killed a young woman, and Murdaugh reportedly feared an investigation into his son would ultimately bring his own crimes to light.

He pleaded guilty in state and federal courts to thefts of $10m or more from his law firm and his former clients. He has since been disbarred and sentenced to 40 years in prison for financial crimes, and two consecutive life sentences for the murders of his wife and son.

Murdaugh and Laffitte were childhood friends. Laffitte was found guilty in November 2022 on six counts of conspiracy, bank and wire fraud, as well as misapplication of bank funds.

He will be released from a federal prison in Florida following the panel's decision.

Another one of Murdaugh's financial accomplices, Corey Fleming, pleaded guilty to fraud and will be jailed until 2026.
 
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Ok this article appears to summarise all the various stuff going on so i will post this in case there is anything new. Eric Bland had written a book and so has the egg lady. Dec 10th is the deadline for the appeals brief.





Alex Murdaugh latest: federal appeal denied; SC Supreme Court sets timeline for state appeal;



Colleton County Courthouse


A federal sentencing appeal has been denied, the South Carolina Supreme Court has taken action and set a timeline in another appeals process, a disgruntled former juror takes legal action, and a high-profile attorney is releasing a new memoir: here's the latest in the Alex Murdaugh true crime saga.
Alex Murdaugh's March 2023 double murder conviction in the 2021 slayings of two family members marked a new chapter in the Murdaugh crime saga in South Carolina, one filled with appeals and lingering legal questions.
Even as Murdaugh serves consecutive life terms for murder, augmented with state and federal fraud sentences, appeals are pending in federal court and before the S.C. Supreme Court and questions remain about jury tampering and alleged misconduct behind the doors of justice.
Here's the latest:

Alex Murdaugh speaks with defense attorney Dick Harpootlian during Murdaugh’s double murder trial at the Colleton County Courthouse in Walterboro, SC, on Monday, February 6, 2023. Jeff Blake/The State/Pool

Alex Murdaugh speaks with defense attorney Dick Harpootlian during Murdaugh’s double murder trial at the Colleton County Courthouse in Walterboro, SC, on Monday, February 6, … Show more
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Federal court denies Murdaugh's federal sentencing appeal

In the wake of his March 2023 convictions in the June 2021 killings of his wife and son, and amid a guilty plea deal on state fraud charges, Alex Murdaugh pleaded guilty to federal fraud charges in September 2023 and was sentenced April 2024 to 40 years in federal prison.
Yet despite signing off on the 22-count, no-contest federal plea deal, which has general provisions prohibiting appeals, Murdaugh's attorneys filed an appeal on that sentence on July 11, framing his appeal argument around the Eighth Amendment, which prohibits excessive and cruel or unusual punishments.
That 40-year federal prison time "represents a death sentence for the 55-year-old Murdaugh," stated the appeal.
On Tuesday, Oct. 1, the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit disagreed, issuing an order dismissing Murdaugh's appeal.
Three federal appellate judges ruled that Murdaugh "knowingly and voluntarily waived his right to appeal" when he accepted and signed his guilty plea deal.
It is unclear if Murdaugh and his attorneys will continue to pursue this appeal with a higher court.

What's the latest on Alex Murdaugh's Supreme Court appeal? Will Murdaugh get a new murder trial?

The appeals of the murder conviction and state prison sentencing of Alex Murdaugh now lie in the jurisdiction of the S.C. Supreme Court, but nothing will be heard on this matter until after mid-December.
Attorneys for Murdaugh have technically filed two appeals. First, Murdaugh filed an initial appeal of his double murder convictions and twin life sentences in March 2023, just days after the guilty verdict was delivered.
Then, after being denied a new trial in a hearing before S.C. Justice Jean Toal in January 2024 based on allegations of jury tampering by former Colleton County Clerk of Court Becky Hill, Murdaugh filed a second appeal, asking the state Supreme Court to review Toal's decision.
The Supreme Court agreed to hear Murdaugh's cases in August, and on Sept. 13 issued an order consolidating those appeals into one case.
With that same order, the Supreme Court also granted Murdaugh's attorneys an extension of Dec. 10 to file their initial brief making their case. No date has been announced yet when the court will hear this case.

What's going on with Juror 785, the 'Egg Lady'? Disgruntled dismissed juror files motions to unseal court documents

Another ongoing legal controversy in the Murdaugh crime saga relates to a jury panel member who was dismissed before final deliberations.
Myra Crosby, once identified only as Juror No. 785, and often derogatorily referred to as "The Egg Lady" or "The Egg Juror," was dismissed from the jury before its final deliberations for allegedly violating the judge's instructions involving discussing the case outside the courtroom.
The court has sealed court records pertaining to Crosby's conversations with Judge Clifton Newman in chambers and her subsequent dismissal.
On Sept. 4, attorneys for Murdaugh joined Joseph M. McCulloch, an attorney representing Crosby, in filing a motion with the S.C. Supreme Court asking that those records be unsealed to the public to clear her name and public reputation and possibly shed some more light on the alleged backroom jury tampering that could have influenced Murdaugh's conviction.
Crosby has held interviews with the press in which she claims she was dismissed unfairly, alleging that the process wasn't fair.
In that motion, attorneys claim that Murdaugh "became a victim of secret misconduct in a Lowcountry courtroom."
On Sept. 16, the S.C. Attorney General's Office filed a motion in opposition of this request, asking the court to hold this petition in abeyance until after Murdaugh's brief is filed before the Supreme Court.
That motion pointed out that in November 2023, Judge Newman allowed Crosby access to her own records but did not grant her access to publish or disseminate those records.
In August, Crosby and a co-author released "Because Enough is Enough," a book about her experiences on the Murdaugh jury.

Are there any other new Murdaugh-related books coming out?

The Murdaugh murder saga and subsequent courtroom drama sparked waves of documentaries, podcasts, scripted series and books, and the story is still being told from varying points of view by those closest to the case, from journalists to jurors.
The latest literary contribution comes from one of the key attorneys in the Murdaugh civil cases, Eric Bland of Bland Richter LLP.
During the peak of the crime saga, Murdaugh was facing a dozen civil suits after being accused of stealing millions from scores of his legal clients, partners and friends.
Bland and his partner, Ronnie Richter, helped uncover the depths of Murdaugh's more than 100 fraud charges and represent several of his financial fraud victims.
True crime fans can learn more about Bland's work, as well as his 30-year personal journey from law school to South Carolina's trial of the century, in Bland's new memoir, "Anything But Bland: Moxie, Murdaugh, and Making Life Happen On Your Own Terms."

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Anything But Bland is set to release the first week of November, said Bland. The work will be available in paperback, hardback, eBook and Audiobook, with further details to be released soon.
 
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Ok this is one of the jurors speaking in a Court TV interview and it is painful. If she is one of the appeal witnesses then i don't know what to think. She seems she was easily swayed in the deliberations. See what you think. Her lawyer speaks at the end. He represents the two jurors, this on and the egg juror, who is writing a book.


I'm about 12 minugdx in and just can't take it right now. Not awake yet either lol.

So easily influenced well it seems like that's what she is here, totally influenced and without answers because she can't think for herself I guess or is lying. Her answers, slowa as they ome and the few she gives aren't even responsive to the question asked.

And what was he lining them up with the defense to talk to them and not attending with them even THINKING if he represented them? This woman can't even SPEAK.

She strikes me as untruthful and if that easily influenced what was she doing taking an oath and hdr to believe she was picked to begin with.

In summary she doesn't have any real answers at all and that leaves me feeling she is a liar. I don't think she liked it when the reporter mentioned Myra (egg lady was dismissed for talking to three people outside the courtroom. I also think she's perhaps close to the Egg Lady and perhaps influenced there, who knows. She's a joke I guess for lack of a better word, a perfect one for them to use.

So Egg Lady is writing a book but never intended to and it was born out of frustration. I don't think I buy that. That woman imo had an agenda of both wanting on the jury and staying on it and couldn't even keep her mouth shut. I'll finish later but I'd say if this is who they have (haven't seen the EGg Lady did you watch the one they were both on), then I find it far from compelling.

It's also again shocking to me that this woman who seems worried about stepping wrong so much that she can't even speak would be set up to talk to the defense without her lawyer present. The whole thing smells imo.

That's not to say I think much of Becky Hilll, as I don't. Her book thing and her handling here have seriously affected this case or may do so. Already has really.

Oh I'd also add this woman couldn't even respond to why she's speaking out now, on TV, was with Myra on, etc. Her atty later says she is having trouble because of being in the spotlight and uncomfortable. Well THEN what is she DOING ON? Who pressured this supposedly easily guillile hardly able to speak woman? He attorney? Myra? The D/ Some Murdaugh money?

The only answer I recall her giving which didn't explain it at all was she's on or speaking because Myra's book is about to come out and "some other things" which she couldn't name when asked or see to even know what she meant.

That's not an explanation, what do you MEAN? It's Myra's book, not yours. Does it mean she wanted you on with her? Does it mean you wanted to help her launch her book? WHAT are you talking about? How does that AFFECT you?

She's a lost cause imo. This area must be full of fame and fortune seekers and simple people. I tell ya just from what we've seen I don't know, hate to say something like that as it's a major overgeneralization but this and she is something that is affecting this outcome?

It's hard to say but I have to come down to she's a liar I guess because no one is this worried and no responsive who isn't worried they'll get tripped up no? Again what's she even doing on there then? Doesn't want the limelight so stay off no? or who's influencing and pressuring her now? Supposedly that's easily done to her right....?

Yeah, 12 minutes was enough for now as just listen to me try to shake it off. Awful tow watch her struggle to even know how to talk to people. or have a conversation.
 
I'm about 12 minugdx in and just can't take it right now. Not awake yet either lol.

So easily influenced well it seems like that's what she is here, totally influenced and without answers because she can't think for herself I guess or is lying. Her answers, slowa as they ome and the few she gives aren't even responsive to the question asked.

And what was he lining them up with the defense to talk to them and not attending with them even THINKING if he represented them? This woman can't even SPEAK.

She strikes me as untruthful and if that easily influenced what was she doing taking an oath and hdr to believe she was picked to begin with.

In summary she doesn't have any real answers at all and that leaves me feeling she is a liar. I don't think she liked it when the reporter mentioned Myra (egg lady was dismissed for talking to three people outside the courtroom. I also think she's perhaps close to the Egg Lady and perhaps influenced there, who knows. She's a joke I guess for lack of a better word, a perfect one for them to use.

So Egg Lady is writing a book but never intended to and it was born out of frustration. I don't think I buy that. That woman imo had an agenda of both wanting on the jury and staying on it and couldn't even keep her mouth shut. I'll finish later but I'd say if this is who they have (haven't seen the EGg Lady did you watch the one they were both on), then I find it far from compelling.

It's also again shocking to me that this woman who seems worried about stepping wrong so much that she can't even speak would be set up to talk to the defense without her lawyer present. The whole thing smells imo.

That's not to say I think much of Becky Hilll, as I don't. Her book thing and her handling here have seriously affected this case or may do so. Already has really.

Oh I'd also add this woman couldn't even respond to why she's speaking out now, on TV, was with Myra on, etc. Her atty later says she is having trouble because of being in the spotlight and uncomfortable. Well THEN what is she DOING ON? Who pressured this supposedly easily guillile hardly able to speak woman? He attorney? Myra? The D/ Some Murdaugh money?

The only answer I recall her giving which didn't explain it at all was she's on or speaking because Myra's book is about to come out and "some other things" which she couldn't name when asked or see to even know what she meant.

That's not an explanation, what do you MEAN? It's Myra's book, not yours. Does it mean she wanted you on with her? Does it mean you wanted to help her launch her book? WHAT are you talking about? How does that AFFECT you?

She's a lost cause imo. This area must be full of fame and fortune seekers and simple people. I tell ya just from what we've seen I don't know, hate to say something like that as it's a major overgeneralization but this and she is something that is affecting this outcome?

It's hard to say but I have to come down to she's a liar I guess because no one is this worried and no responsive who isn't worried they'll get tripped up no? Again what's she even doing on there then? Doesn't want the limelight so stay off no? or who's influencing and pressuring her now? Supposedly that's easily done to her right....?

Yeah, 12 minutes was enough for now as just listen to me try to shake it off. Awful tow watch her struggle to even know how to talk to people. or have a conversation.
It is a good idea to watch her attorney speaking on her behalf at the end too and the comments are priceless. I knew you would enjoy it LOL.
 
It is a good idea to watch her attorney speaking on her behalf at the end too and the comments are priceless. I knew you would enjoy it LOL.
LOL. I'll do that later when I can take the final minutes. No one should have let this woman on TV lol. She's like a deer in headlights and someone who can find her voice or talk, scared to step wrong or lying, who knows.
 

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