PAUL & MAGGIE MURDAUGH: South Carolina vs. Alex Murdaugh for Double Homicide of wife & son *GUILTY*

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This case is being kept pretty quiet, no major details released to speak of (other than it does say there were two different guns used), but no info regarding who found them, who called 911, very little else.

Of interest, the grandfather died just a few days after these murders and it sounds as if he was ill from various articles so probably not unexpected. I think of the typical motives, did grandpa have a big estate? How big in the overall family of grandpa's on down? They sound like a pretty well known family and a powerful one in their state, more on that in the article.


 
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So is there still someone who has not been prosecuted in this fiasco?
Seems to me that what has been going on relates to exactly that yes. Who is he protecting? A brother? A firm member?

On a wider note, I think there are many who have not been prosecuted, disbarred, forced to step down that haven't been.
 
I don't think this has been posted before. It is a video of Alex's arrest as he is released from the drug rehab in Florida. The identity of the undercover cops are blanked out throughout to protect their identity. The video was released two months ago apparently.


 

Well I've listened to Eric a lot so not disputing him but filing even a frivolous suit could net Buster a to him pocket money settlement of $25K just to settle a nuisance claim. That's why in many cases with no grounds, the insurance companies will pay a nuisance settlement just to make it go away which is abhorrent because it breeds more but would cost them more to even file a response and get their lawyers to start the procedures. But some will and this isn't all companies, come back hard and not give a cent. Too rare but I could see it here... Perhaps. I'm not sure of Bland talking any federal thing here, this is a civil suit... I'd have to have that clarified better.

Buster either of his own accord is so like his dad or dad suggested such even... And who knows even if it fails then some DUMB Netflix or Lifetime or Peacock thing will then pay him for a movie about it all and either way the bad guys profit... Like Asa. Like others.

Yeah I hope it's fought and all went into where Buster has to be deposed and everyone he has ever known has to be and you name it and all rehashed. If that's the life he's looking for now that he could try if he wanted to to have a life of his own with his gf., if still together, then he, for many who tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and many who still are I'm sure, and I tried even at times, and this is his choice rather than to try to move forward in life,then he's not learned a thing.

I hope it ends up hanging him for Stephen and backfires. And I'm not even sure he did it but I certainly haven't ruled it out. And there is a reason so many rumors and people even outright saying to look at him, and his own friends and classmates, etc.

Yes if fought all will be delved into and is the dumb "kid" ready for that? If it can't be proven otherwise and people who offered this info really thought it, it isn't defamation so to speak. There's a reason such isn't filed in suit often... It's a high threshold. Did someone call you a slut? And you sued? Well you'd have to prove you never once acted like one for starters so they were making something up and you were a virgin etc. It's a fairly high bar the way I understand it. Slander, libel, defamation of character. Oh that too, he'd have to prove he had character to begin with.

Just a money move, he cares less about his rep because he knows if he has any brain cells at all, that even if he won something like this a large portion of the public would STILL believe it was u're, that they had a relationship and even that he killed him. But I guess money will make it all better as he can't change opinions.

Move on Buster. Best thing you can do is show you ARE NOT like your dad. Prove it, do well and people will let it go. This makes it pretty clear though that isn't who he is and he is an apple from his father's tree. Wrong move is what I'll end this with. And I wasn't 100 percent decided on him despite lots of reasons to lean one way but this moves the meter to the right a ton...
 
Boy this one has not reared its head in awhile. Last post here June and it is now August.

Scott. And I can't disagree with him. The decision as to new trial, etc. has now went to the supreme court. He ends his talk with saying he thinks they took it as they will reverse it. He also says Alex is guilty or thinks he is, etc., evidence shows it, so on, but what Becky Hill did for her own gain is on her. And that she will be the direct cause of such, the man would have been found guilty regardless but does not matter, a public servant was messing with things for her own gain.

This case is out of the gate first on his video I am linking.

I still don't think all jurors have confirmed such, and I still don't think the verdict would have changed, however his points are valid.

It does not escape me however that a lot going on right now is going on in a very big political year.

But his points are valid.

She and she alone messed with this case for her own purposes and wanted him guilty which the case on its own merits WOULD have resulted in. Imo as well. And that isn't okay.

Even for scum like Alex.



Part of me does wonder about a bigger plan here though... But on its face, Scott is right.
 
I am going to add how he says he disagrees with judges who while being judge teach at colleges, and supreme court justices who write books while serving. He says, and I agree, if you can't afford to live on such wage, or want to write a book or serve in another job with influence, (paraphrasing), you QUIT public service and then go do that. Anyone disagree with that? Generally? I sure don't.
 
Has the SCOTUS even agreed to hear the case yet?
Yes, that is what Scott said if I have it right. And there will be arguments and his opinion is they took it as they will overturn it.

Listen to his first minutes just on this case.

I am cynical and believe politics certainly are playing into a lot of things going on BUT I also don't disagree this woman singlehandedly if true caused a ton of damage here for a man that would have been found guilty anyhow and a good case was brought against him. BUT a county clerk messed with things. NOT RIGHT even if it is Alex Murdaugh.

I am not so one view that I can't see that.

I gather yes, they accepted it. I am tired but give him a listen, it's just minutes at the beginning.
 
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Yes, that is what Scott said if I have it right. And there will be arguments and his opinion is they took it as they will overturn it.

Listen to his first minutes just on this case.

I am cynical and believe politics certainly are playing into a lot of things going on BUT I also don't disagree this woman singlehandedly if true caused a ton of damage here for a man that would have been found guilty anyhow and a good case was brought against him. BUT a county clerk messed with things. NOT RIGHT even if it is Alex Murdaugh.

I am not so one view that I can't see that.

I gather yes, they accepted it. I am tired but give him a listen, it's just minutes at the beginning.

IIRC, none of the jurors said she had any impact on them.
 
IIRC, none of the jurors said she had any impact on them.
Yeah I agree. And is pretty much what I have always said but Scott is a defense attorney and he has a point. Even IF jurors were enot affected and was a strong enough case to convict otherwise, just the fact she did such if she did is enough to warrant a new trial. It's just wrong. And you KNOW that is not the way I would like to look at it. No court official should even be talking to the jurors about anything but using a toilet, what time lunch might be, etc.

The ,man is guitly and if you watched it, he has enough sentences just on financial sh*t and stuff Becky Hill had nothing to do with to keep him put away until he diies BUT why i aapears she did IS wrong.

I'm not convinced it is true and I think a whole lot of other **** and sides play in but on the basics, if true, such should never happen.
 
Yes, that is what Scott said if I have it right. And there will be arguments and his opinion is they took it as they will overturn it.

Listen to his first minutes just on this case.

I am cynical and believe politics certainly are playing into a lot of things going on BUT I also don't disagree this woman singlehandedly if true caused a ton of damage here for a man that would have been found guilty anyhow and a good case was brought against him. BUT a county clerk messed with things. NOT RIGHT even if it is Alex Murdaugh.

I am not so one view that I can't see that.

I gather yes, they accepted it. I am tired but give him a listen, it's just minutes at the beginning.
So is Murdaugh going to be released and have a new trial? Wow, if so. That's big news if true. Oh no though - he won't be released as he pled guilty to the financials LOL. Gotcha.
 
So is Murdaugh going to be released and have a new trial? Wow, if so. That's big news if true. Oh no though - he won't be released as he pled guilty to the financials LOL. Gotcha.
He wont' be released yes, because he has other sentences but the court has taken on the murder case and the "alleged" jury tampering. In Scott's opinion they wouldn't have taken it unless they are going to reverse it I think is what he said. I find that a bit of an early prediction, I mean they could come back and confirm that judge's decision. Not sure if he has reason to assume such or not. If you recall, it was not Newman but a long seated older woman who was judge over that.
 
Article with details. Judge Toal was the judge you were thinking of.


Murdaugh's legal team now has 30 days from the order date to file their initial brief and legal arguments with the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court order did not set a date for this review hearing.

Murdaugh's defense team has already submitted more than a dozen legal filings and evidentiary exhibits to the S.C. Court of Appeals, including trial and hearing transcripts, a letter of protest from lead counsel Richard Harpootlian to Justice Toal, and an affidavit from one of the jurors selected during the 2023 double murder trial, identified as Juror Z, who claimed that she felt pressured into a guilty verdict.

Murdaugh, now a disbarred attorney serving state and federal sentences for scores of financial crimes he has confessed to, continues to deny that he played a role in the 2021 shootings of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh and is now asking the highest courts in South Carolina to review the rulings of the recent evidentiary hearing that resulted in the denial of a new murder trial.

Alex Murdaugh speaks with defense attorney Dick Harpootlian during Murdaugh’s double murder trial at the Colleton County Courthouse in Walterboro, SC, on Monday, February 6, 2023. Jeff Blake/The State/Pool

Alex Murdaugh speaks with defense attorney Dick Harpootlian during Murdaugh’s double murder trial at the Colleton County Courthouse in Walterboro, SC, on Monday, February 6, … Show more
JEFF BLAKE, JEFF BLAKE PHOTO

How did Murdaugh's case get to the Supreme Court's ears?​

On July 10, Murdaugh's attorneys filed a "Motion for Certification Under Rule 204(b)" with the South Carolina Court of Appeals.

The motion asked the S.C. Supreme Court to certify this case for review by the Supreme Court itself before the S.C. Court of Appeals hears it. This action can be taken if a case meets certain legal standards, such as "significant public interest or a legal principle of major importance."

The motion contends that Murdaugh's case meets both, as it was internationally followed and involves a matter of great legal importance: should Murdaugh's appeals for a new trial be judged by state or federal legal standards.

Murdaugh's motion states, "This case concerns an issue of significant public interest and a legal principle of major importance warranting certification under Rule 204(b). The issue of significant public interest is whether the verdict returned after Mr. Murdaugh’s internationally televised murder trial should be overturned due to unprecedented jury tampering by a state official, the former Colleton County Clerk of Court. The legal principle of major importance is whether it is presumptively prejudicial for a state official to secretly advocate for a guilty verdict through ex parte contacts with jurors during the trial or whether a defendant, having proven the contacts occurred, must also somehow prove the verdict would have been different at a hypothetical trial in which the surreptitious advocacy did not occur."

Allegations against Becky Hill​

Allegations of jury tampering, plagiarism, and ethics violations against now-resigned Colleton County Clerk of Court Becky Hill followed Murdaugh's March 2023 double murder conviction in Colleton County.

In January 2024, former S.C. Chief Justice Jean Toal conducted a hearing on the jury tampering allegations against Hill. Toal, while stating that Hill's behavior was inappropriate and she was not a credible witness, used a South Carolina legal standard when she ruled that this behavior did not legally warrant a new murder trial for Murdaugh.

Toal's ruling was based on a legal precedent that Murdaugh must prove that Hill's actions, through statements she allegedly made to jurors, actually prejudiced the jurors and influenced the verdict, which she ruled he failed to prove.

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Judge Jean Toal, former Supreme Court Justice, presided over an evidentiary hearting at the Richland County Courthouse on Tuesday Jan.16, 2024, involving jury tampering allegations … Show more
TRACY GLANTZ, TGLANTZ@THESTATE.COM
Murdaugh then appealed her ruling to the S.C. Court of Appeals on April 11, where it has yet to be heard, citing that his case should be considered using alternative, less stringent legal standards typically used by federal courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court.

Clerk of Court Hill called a 'wart' on legal system​

Murdaugh's motion this week demands that the courts review Toal's ruling, calling former Clerk of Court Hill a "wart" on the S.C. legal system.

The motion describes Hill as an "elected state official in charge of managing juries engaging in deliberate jury tampering in a murder trial to secure a guilty verdict so she can make money selling books about it."

'Behind the Doors of Justice'​

Not long after Murdaugh's six-week murder trial in the Spring of 2023, Hill published a tell-all book, "Behind the Doors of Justice," which she later admitted that she plagiarized.

The motion further alleges that "Ms. Hill planned to publish a book from the beginning, that she wanted a guilty verdict to boost book sales, that she did engage in jury tampering advocating a guilty verdict, and she did subsequently publish the book for a profit of over $100,000."

Murdaugh attorneys: Jury tampering hearing appeal deserves to be heard​

Murdaugh's attorneys argue that because of the shocking alleged actions of a public official, the public's high interest, and the question of proper legal standards involving disputes between state and federal standards, the jury tampering hearing appeal deserves to be heard by the state Supreme Court.

"Perhaps the Supreme Court would decide Ms. Hill’s egregious jury tampering does not present an attractive vehicle for changing the legal standard for a mistrial because common sense says that when an elected state official goes into the jury room during a murder trial to advocate for a guilty verdict because she wants to make money selling books about the guilty verdict, the result should be a mistrial."

Hill is now entangled in other controversies, including alleged ethics violations, and after resigning from office earlier this year, will be the subject of an ethics hearing in December.
 
Article with details. Judge Toal was the judge you were thinking of.


Murdaugh's legal team now has 30 days from the order date to file their initial brief and legal arguments with the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court order did not set a date for this review hearing.

Murdaugh's defense team has already submitted more than a dozen legal filings and evidentiary exhibits to the S.C. Court of Appeals, including trial and hearing transcripts, a letter of protest from lead counsel Richard Harpootlian to Justice Toal, and an affidavit from one of the jurors selected during the 2023 double murder trial, identified as Juror Z, who claimed that she felt pressured into a guilty verdict.

Murdaugh, now a disbarred attorney serving state and federal sentences for scores of financial crimes he has confessed to, continues to deny that he played a role in the 2021 shootings of Maggie and Paul Murdaugh and is now asking the highest courts in South Carolina to review the rulings of the recent evidentiary hearing that resulted in the denial of a new murder trial.

Alex Murdaugh speaks with defense attorney Dick Harpootlian during Murdaugh’s double murder trial at the Colleton County Courthouse in Walterboro, SC, on Monday, February 6, 2023. Jeff Blake/The State/Pool

Alex Murdaugh speaks with defense attorney Dick Harpootlian during Murdaugh’s double murder trial at the Colleton County Courthouse in Walterboro, SC, on Monday, February 6, … Show more
JEFF BLAKE, JEFF BLAKE PHOTO

How did Murdaugh's case get to the Supreme Court's ears?​

On July 10, Murdaugh's attorneys filed a "Motion for Certification Under Rule 204(b)" with the South Carolina Court of Appeals.

The motion asked the S.C. Supreme Court to certify this case for review by the Supreme Court itself before the S.C. Court of Appeals hears it. This action can be taken if a case meets certain legal standards, such as "significant public interest or a legal principle of major importance."

The motion contends that Murdaugh's case meets both, as it was internationally followed and involves a matter of great legal importance: should Murdaugh's appeals for a new trial be judged by state or federal legal standards.

Murdaugh's motion states, "This case concerns an issue of significant public interest and a legal principle of major importance warranting certification under Rule 204(b). The issue of significant public interest is whether the verdict returned after Mr. Murdaugh’s internationally televised murder trial should be overturned due to unprecedented jury tampering by a state official, the former Colleton County Clerk of Court. The legal principle of major importance is whether it is presumptively prejudicial for a state official to secretly advocate for a guilty verdict through ex parte contacts with jurors during the trial or whether a defendant, having proven the contacts occurred, must also somehow prove the verdict would have been different at a hypothetical trial in which the surreptitious advocacy did not occur."

Allegations against Becky Hill​

Allegations of jury tampering, plagiarism, and ethics violations against now-resigned Colleton County Clerk of Court Becky Hill followed Murdaugh's March 2023 double murder conviction in Colleton County.

In January 2024, former S.C. Chief Justice Jean Toal conducted a hearing on the jury tampering allegations against Hill. Toal, while stating that Hill's behavior was inappropriate and she was not a credible witness, used a South Carolina legal standard when she ruled that this behavior did not legally warrant a new murder trial for Murdaugh.

Toal's ruling was based on a legal precedent that Murdaugh must prove that Hill's actions, through statements she allegedly made to jurors, actually prejudiced the jurors and influenced the verdict, which she ruled he failed to prove.

72245911007-murdaugh-tg-16.jpg

Judge Jean Toal, former Supreme Court Justice, presided over an evidentiary hearting at the Richland County Courthouse on Tuesday Jan.16, 2024, involving jury tampering allegations … Show more
TRACY GLANTZ, TGLANTZ@THESTATE.COM
Murdaugh then appealed her ruling to the S.C. Court of Appeals on April 11, where it has yet to be heard, citing that his case should be considered using alternative, less stringent legal standards typically used by federal courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court.

Clerk of Court Hill called a 'wart' on legal system​

Murdaugh's motion this week demands that the courts review Toal's ruling, calling former Clerk of Court Hill a "wart" on the S.C. legal system.

The motion describes Hill as an "elected state official in charge of managing juries engaging in deliberate jury tampering in a murder trial to secure a guilty verdict so she can make money selling books about it."

'Behind the Doors of Justice'​

Not long after Murdaugh's six-week murder trial in the Spring of 2023, Hill published a tell-all book, "Behind the Doors of Justice," which she later admitted that she plagiarized.

The motion further alleges that "Ms. Hill planned to publish a book from the beginning, that she wanted a guilty verdict to boost book sales, that she did engage in jury tampering advocating a guilty verdict, and she did subsequently publish the book for a profit of over $100,000."

Murdaugh attorneys: Jury tampering hearing appeal deserves to be heard​

Murdaugh's attorneys argue that because of the shocking alleged actions of a public official, the public's high interest, and the question of proper legal standards involving disputes between state and federal standards, the jury tampering hearing appeal deserves to be heard by the state Supreme Court.

"Perhaps the Supreme Court would decide Ms. Hill’s egregious jury tampering does not present an attractive vehicle for changing the legal standard for a mistrial because common sense says that when an elected state official goes into the jury room during a murder trial to advocate for a guilty verdict because she wants to make money selling books about the guilty verdict, the result should be a mistrial."

Hill is now entangled in other controversies, including alleged ethics violations, and after resigning from office earlier this year, will be the subject of an ethics hearing in December.
I tell ya, I go back and forth on this. I can't forget Alex himself is a wart on their legal system or was and that very high placed others s well, and can't help but wonder about all the connections we never heard of that very probably exist. I don't trust any of them, the entire place is stinking dirty. Well, Newman was a good judge. Toal may be as well.

Who can help but wonder if further hands were greased here in a case like this that is about a historical high placed influential family that Alex was one of who abused such.

A judge heard this and ruled accordingly, a well respected judge yet again.

I can't help but note that not all jurors say the same by a long shot and what did it say, one affidavit of someone who is saying they felt pressured into the verdict. That sure speaks to the jurors more than anything.

HOWEVER, Becky Hill is no one to write home and brag about. She may have single handedly ruined justice here. She should have been sooooo above board in her job that no question could arise. Part of me even suspects the whole thing and her doing this.... I can't help it.

It is my belief another jury with the same case will convict him again, however, who knows... I wonder about jury tampering beyond Hill quite honestly. You run around after trial knocking on all their doors and lo and behold this is said.

Not into conspiracies for the most part but in THIS case? Look at what this man and the people he knew were doing to people through the years and the connections he had....

They should be ashamed of the stain on their state and again I doubt we know the half of them or how high up connections go.

However, I cannot ignore the fact that Hill should have been SO clean and squeaky acting during a trial like this with NOT a thing that could be questioned and writing a book and on it right during and after was a p*ss poor decision.

For all the families that AM hurt, to the entire area thinking the Murdaugh corrupt power would never be taken away, for this to happen sucks. Paul and Maggie's murder verdict may not have been about any of them, but it was in ways. He finally was shut down and now?

I dislike/hate AM and his counsel and I have serious distaste also for Becky Hill being a very stupid clerk. Was she DESPERATE? DO YOUR JOB and DO IT RIGHT during this major major trial. Put your own desires and sh*t on hold and ensure all is done right.

I just see corruption everywhere there on both sides I tell ya.

I do think the other side is beyond questionable itself. AM's side. And it isn't like there isn't a single questionable juror either.

And so....

I'm tempted to say it was always coming and the fix is in...

IF another trial is held and the same verdict does not result, I am never going to believe this wasn't all a plan. IF the higher court affirms the decision, I may believe otherwise. If another trial results and the same verdict does, I may believe otherwise. If not, I likely never will.

All just my opinion.

I look back at the fact I don't feel there was much of a defense here. Why... it wasn't as bad as Archibald in Lori's trial and in all fairness, she hamstrung him, but it's almost like they were just waiting for after.

I can help but question a lot here. Look at what the case is about, a connected, major influential historical family, robbing everyone blind and screwing everyone over and tempering himself in any case involving his family.

SMDH.

Early morning waking up thoughts.
 
You know, I think we should add that AM still has private attorneys here.... Why... What's their interest and why do they stick by him...

I do have that right don't I? They've never went for state paid status have they? I know they moved to protect money to pay, etc.

The entire thing STINKS to high heaven is all I have to say this morning.
 
I haven't watched it but just look at the headline... it's playing now... But need to start getting moving a bit.

 
Good Lord, the entire intro for tons of minutes is about Law and Crime and how well they are doing, and their people who contribute. Okay. Fine. NOT why I put it on, get over it already.
 

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