PAUL & MAGGIE MURDAUGH: South Carolina vs. Alex Murdaugh for Double Homicide of wife & son *GUILTY*

This case is being kept pretty quiet, no major details released to speak of (other than it does say there were two different guns used), but no info regarding who found them, who called 911, very little else.

Of interest, the grandfather died just a few days after these murders and it sounds as if he was ill from various articles so probably not unexpected. I think of the typical motives, did grandpa have a big estate? How big in the overall family of grandpa's on down? They sound like a pretty well known family and a powerful one in their state, more on that in the article.

Questions abound in SC Murdaugh killing. Among them: Should prosecutor step aside?

Several days after two members of a prominent Hampton County family were fatally shot, questions about what happened still vastly outnumber answers.

www.postandcourier.com

 

[Tresir]

Another link about the GJ re Steohen Smith. The other one required me to sign up to read.

This states there are possibly five to six persons that may have info.

Grand jury empaneled in death of Stephen Smith after Murdaugh case leads to renewed investigation: Attorney

“I can say there's a grand jury empaneled and I think substantial progress is being made,” said Eric Bland, an attorney representing Smith’s mother.

lawandcrime.com

Eric Bland -

“I have been authorized to say that progress is being made and there’s probably five to six individuals that have material information as to what happened to Stephen.”

Bland said he’s hopeful an answer about what happened to Smith could come by Labor Day.

“I think that the consensus is that Stephen did die on that road that night and that he didn’t die somewhere else. So that is what the consensus is. The question is what caused his death,”

 

[GrandmaBear]

Kind of interesting. I remember noticing this. I also noticed aplenty that people in this county go to scenes that aren't the typical ones that would be out to the scene/involved in that part. Murdaugh country/county. It was anyhow.....

So the brother found Maggie's phone, not LE.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

In the civil trial about the boating accident. The defense is challenging the plaintiffs lawyers. We'll see if that does anything.

 

[GrandmaBear]

In the civil trial about the boating accident. The defense is challenging the plaintiffs lawyers. We'll see if that does anything.

Challenging them over what?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Challenging them over what?

MSN

 

[kdg411]

MSN

Judge denies Parker’s motion to remove lawyers from Mallory Beach lawsuit

HAMPTON COUNTY, S.C. (WSAV) — Judge Daniel Hall has denied Parker’s attorneys’ motion to remove attorneys Mark Tinsley and Tabor Vaux as lawyers for the Beach family. Earlier this month…

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Judge Daniel Hall has denied Parker’s attorneys’ motion to remove attorneys Mark Tinsley and Tabor Vaux as lawyers for the Beach family.

Earlier this month, Parker’s filed paperwork that said the pair should be disqualified for disclosing privileged documents, having improper communication with someone connected to another lawsuit and “repeatedly ignoring their ethical obligations to gather ammunition to fire” against Parker’s.

The judge’s denial of the motion means the trial is still expected to begin in Hampton County on August 14.

 

[Summer_Breeze]

Parker’s asks to move Beach civil trial, separate its case from Alex Murdaugh

HAMPTON COUNTY, S.C. (WSAV) – The Parker’s corporation is filing two different motions in the Mallory Beach civil case, both designed, they say, to make sure they get a fair trial. The …

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by: Andrew Davis
Posted: Jul 7, 2023 / 06:52 PM EDT
Updated: Jul 7, 2023 / 06:52 PM EDT

HAMPTON COUNTY, S.C. (WSAV) – The Parker’s corporation is filing two different motions in the Mallory Beach civil case, both designed, they say, to make sure they get a fair trial.

The first asks for the civil case filed by the Beach family to be moved out of Hampton County.

The second is to sever Alex Murdaugh from their case and allow Parker’s to be tried separately from the convicted murderer.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I am now wondering was the BAR ever brought in? I can't recall that it was.

I don't think Parker's has near the liability that Murdaugh should have who knew his son and his ways or Buster for that matter. However, it is anyone's guess if this store and it clerks KNEW Paul and the Murdaughs and sold liquor to them but I do think they have a right or should to tell their own side and present it outside of the suit against Alex. I think Paul of course is responsible but after that I think Alex and Maggie (may she and Paul RIP) knew darned well what their son was going to do and did regularly and helped him do it and enabled it. Meaning drink, buy alcohol, gave him the boat and so forth. I even think that provable.

I also think Buster likely was fine with and gave Paul his ID but proving that would have been hard. If my memory serves, Maggie's estate and Buster are out of it and made a deal but Alex is not.

I agree that Parker's should not be beside Alex. However, why haven't they tried to settle or have they? Like it or not they did sell it to Paul and Murdaughs were so well known one would have to wonder if the clerk knew. Very possible the clerk didn't but certainly a possibility... However, it is also possible Paul stopped somewhere he knew wouldn't know him from Buster or know him at all with a valid ID (not for him but still a valid one)...

 

[Tresir]

Kind of interesting. I remember noticing this. I also noticed aplenty that people in this county go to scenes that aren't the typical ones that would be out to the scene/involved in that part. Murdaugh country/county. It was anyhow.....

So the brother found Maggie's phone, not LE.

I just listened to this today. It seems that data could have been mistakenly lost from Maggie's phone that could have proved Alex's and Maggie's phone did not travel together when it was tossed into the area where it was discovered, therefore possibly proving Alex was not involved.

I am wondering why an appeal has not been submitted regarding this?

 

[Guess Who]

I just listened to this today. It seems that data could have been mistakenly lost from Maggie's phone that could have proved Alex's and Maggie's phone did not travel together when it was tossed into the area where it was discovered, therefore possibly proving Alex was not involved.

I am wondering why an appeal has not been submitted regarding this?

IMO there is nothing that proves he was not involved.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I just listened to this today. It seems that data could have been mistakenly lost from Maggie's phone that could have proved Alex's and Maggie's phone did not travel together when it was tossed into the area where it was discovered, therefore possibly proving Alex was not involved.

I am wondering why an appeal has not been submitted regarding this?

I actually saw this and watched it a week ago or just after it came out? I have watched Eric from the start with his Murdaugh coverage.

I didn't take it the same way at al that you are. I took it as Alex wanted this to be known or seized upon by LE and it wasn't. Part of his plot. And then they didn't have a way of bringing it up without showing they knew of it and were bringing it up for a reason but then it could very well be turned around on him as how is it known...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Like him never being down to the kennels. He did have a plan and thoughts but never considered Paul having his phone on record. He also counted on LE with Maggie's phone, etc.

He isn't the brightest but he did think he thought things out...

 

[Tresir]

I actually saw this and watched it a week ago or just after it came out? I have watched Eric from the start with his Murdaugh coverage.

I didn't take it the same way at al that you are. I took it as Alex wanted this to be known or seized upon by LE and it wasn't. Part of his plot. And then they didn't have a way of bringing it up without showing they knew of it and were bringing it up for a reason but then it could very well be turned around on him as how is it known...

I did snooze a little while listening, so may have missed some but i understood that the evidence that the phones did not show as travelling together had already been disclosed by LE and the prosecution? No?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I did snooze a little while listening, so may have missed some but i understood that the evidence that the phones did not show as travelling together had already been disclosed by LE and the prosecution? No?

I guess I should have said that I think Eric covered the thoughts of what it may mean in both directions, at leas I think he did. I wish my recall was better but if I am home I always have something on and a week or so later some of it doesn't stay fresh in my memory.

It seems to me that it would show there was a fix, that Alex got someone to mess with the evidence was that it? I know it was s double edged sword, they needed to bring it out at trial but on the other hand couldn't just go there either for some reason because it would show somethng they knew that the shouldn't have or some such? OR that someone else was involved? I can't recall, sorry. I just know the way I leaned after listening to it all.

And wasn't it his brother that actually found the phone and not LE? After I wake up a bit maybe it will come back to me. I jsut got up and I am sooooo wiped.. I may just have to watch it again when I get a moment.

And yes LE knew too but it was ignored at trial? I remembered on hearing this video Poot trying to circle it and get a witness to go there but not in any overly overt fashion... I think Alex knew as he had made it that way so if they asked too clearly in a way that they know something it would show he had something fixed?

I know I'm not making much sense but the video would clear it up if I watched it again. I think Eric even mentioned which LE person if I'm not mistaken..

What it boiled down to for me is Alex made it that way, the phones, and this was to stop him from ever being a suspect but it didn't happen and in the end he needed it to be known but they didn't dare show they knew more about it or that Alex did?

I'm so sorry, just not recalling right now. Of course I felt Alex guilty from day one before even mentioned as a suspect so I have bias. But Eric also covered what it all likely meant. Nothing here even am I certain about as I can't recall the details so take it with a grain of salt, I just always know my opinion after watching something and how I got there sometimes goes out the window lol. I definitely need to rewatch it and I need coffee but don't know that it will be this morning.

I guess in summary yes LE knew so why couldn't the defense just go there and why did they have to try to carefully without success because they couldn't directly go there/hit with it? It seems to me it showed someone messed with the phones or with Maggie's or some such...?

Arggghh I'm just not clear on it right now.

 

[Tresir]

I guess I should have said that I think Eric covered the thoughts of what it may mean in both directions, at leas I think he did. I wish my recall was better but if I am home I always have something on and a week or so later some of it doesn't stay fresh in my memory.

It seems to me that it would show there was a fix, that Alex got someone to mess with the evidence was that it? I know it was s double edged sword, they needed to bring it out at trial but on the other hand couldn't just go there either for some reason because it would show somethng they knew that the shouldn't have or some such? OR that someone else was involved? I can't recall, sorry. I just know the way I leaned after listening to it all.

And wasn't it his brother that actually found the phone and not LE? After I wake up a bit maybe it will come back to me. I jsut got up and I am sooooo wiped.. I may just have to watch it again when I get a moment.

And yes LE knew too but it was ignored at trial? I remembered on hearing this video Poot trying to circle it and get a witness to go there but not in any overly overt fashion... I think Alex knew as he had made it that way so if they asked too clearly in a way that they know something it would show he had something fixed?

I know I'm not making much sense but the video would clear it up if I watched it again. I think Eric even mentioned which LE person if I'm not mistaken..

What it boiled down to for me is Alex made it that way, the phones, and this was to stop him from ever being a suspect but it didn't happen and in the end he needed it to be known but they didn't dare show they knew more about it or that Alex did?

I'm so sorry, just not recalling right now. Of course I felt Alex guilty from day one before even mentioned as a suspect so I have bias. But Eric also covered what it all likely meant. Nothing here even am I certain about as I can't recall the details so take it with a grain of salt, I just always know my opinion after watching something and how I got there sometimes goes out the window lol. I definitely need to rewatch it and I need coffee but don't know that it will be this morning.

I guess in summary yes LE knew so why couldn't the defense just go there and why did they have to try to carefully without success because they couldn't directly go there/hit with it? It seems to me it showed someone messed with the phones or with Maggie's or some such...?

Arggghh I'm just not clear on it right now.

I took it to mean the the LE officer somehow made a mistake and missed the fact that the data did not match up between the two devices. I too will have to watch again or perhaps someone else who watches it can try to interpret.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I took it to mean the the LE officer somehow made a mistake and missed the fact that the data did not match up between the two devices. I too will have to watch again or perhaps someone else who watches it can try to interpret.

Yeah, I am not going to likely have time and another's take would be good or yours if you rewatch. It just seemed to me like Alex put a fix in and someone who could "fixed" it. These records. He wanted them to come up but for them to bring them up or be too obvious would point to that or something on that order. Point to a fix...

 

[Tresir]

Yeah, I am not going to likely have time and another's take would be good or yours if you rewatch. It just seemed to me like Alex put a fix in and someone who could "fixed" it. These records. He wanted them to come up but for them to bring them up or be too obvious would point to that or something on that order. Point to a fix...

I would have thought that when the phone was found, that would be the first thing for LE to check. I mean that would be ultra important to see if all of their devices were together at any points in time that whole evening. So I will try to have a look at that subject - it must have been covered in MSM and in the trial.

Paul, Maggie and Alex's phones had to show as together at several points in the evening, eg at the kennels in the afternoon, back at the house for dinner, back at the kennels again and then when Alex departed for his parents. This must have been covered at the trial extensively, but I am darned if I can remember it so I will need to recap it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I would have thought that when the phone was found, that would be the first thing for LE to check. I mean that would be ultra important to see if all of their devices were together at any points in time that whole evening. So I will try to have a look at that subject - it must have been covered in MSM and in the trial.

Paul, Maggie and Alex's phones had to show as together at several points in the evening, eg at the kennels in the afternoon, back at the house for dinner, back at the kennels again and then when Alex departed for his parents. This must have been covered at the trial extensively, but I am darned if I can remember it so I will need to recap it.

Well I do know it surprised me (although maybe I heard it back when but can't recall either) that it was Alex's brother who found the phone first of all. Alex, he and maybe Buster seemed to be the ones bent on finding it and it isn't like she was missing with it. And then I forget what Eric Allen said but then it was handed to who? We have to remember Alex had all his cronies and certain family members out there. I believe it quite possible he wanted her phone found but yes I have to look at why I lean one way on it rather than the other but just don't have time right now.

I don't think MSM picked up on this same thing that Eric did and if they did, they probably took it at face value. This was danced around at trial. I almost have to wonder if there was some ruling by the judge before trial that because it was questionable it could not come directly in...

 

[noZme]

FOX Nation Nabs Exclusive Interview With Buster Murdaugh for New Docuseries The Fall of the House of Murdaugh​

Hosted by Martha MacCallum, Series Drops on September 12th and Features First Sit-Down Interview with Alex Murdaugh's Only Living Son

FOX News Media’s subscription-based streaming service, will present a new docuseries The Fall of the House of Murdaugh on Tuesday, September 12th, announced FOX Nation President Jason Klarman. The three-part limited series features exclusive access to the family, friends and defense team of Alex Murdaugh,

FOX Nation Nabs Exclusive Interview With Buster Murdaugh for New Docuseries The Fall of the House of Murdaugh

FOX Nation, FOX News Media’s subscription-based streaming service, will present a new docuseries The Fall of the House of Murdaugh on Tuesday, Septemb

www.businesswire.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

Hmm. I'm really going to have to see or hear about this one to see where they are going with it. I suspect his atty and son will try to show what is wrong and how he is innocent. What Fox has done with the rest to see where they land or head with it, one will just have to see.

I personally am suspicious of any person in the system who comments in it as I think there are many who did Alex favors and/or received them in return over many years who should be out of jobs, disbarred, etc.