PAUL & MAGGIE MURDAUGH: South Carolina vs. Alex Murdaugh for Double Homicide of wife & son *GUILTY*

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This case is being kept pretty quiet, no major details released to speak of (other than it does say there were two different guns used), but no info regarding who found them, who called 911, very little else.

Of interest, the grandfather died just a few days after these murders and it sounds as if he was ill from various articles so probably not unexpected. I think of the typical motives, did grandpa have a big estate? How big in the overall family of grandpa's on down? They sound like a pretty well known family and a powerful one in their state, more on that in the article.


 
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Interesting that we've hardly heard of this guy, at least I don't recall hearing his name or much if I did. And I've followed this case throughout even before many out there on the internet were.

I for one don't believe this is as far as it goes for a minute. Maybe they are still working their way up the ladder and sideways too but I'm not counting on it.

Not sure what to make of it right now but I think there are many who aren't going to be held accountable not just with drugs, not just with money but with knowledge, help, turning a blind eye, going his way in cases and court and so much more. Judges, cops, other attorneys, higher ups at all levels of the legal system, etc.
So this guy is Eddie Smith's and Alex Murdaugh's drug dealer? Is $40 per pill the street price I wonder?

Also, $88,000 is mentioned only but I thought he stole millions from his clients, so where did all the rest of the money go?

Just saw this link today. Alex is going to plead guilty. Will believe it when it is a done deal. It also mentions his appeal of the murder conviction.


"If Murdaugh doesn't change his mind before standing in front of a judge on Sept. 21, it would mark the first time he admits guilt for any crime in court.

Murdaugh, 55, is serving a life sentence for killing his wife and son at their home two years ago. But he insisted from the witness stand at his trial that he did not kill them and is appealing his double murder conviction.

Prosecutors say he decided to kill them because his millions of dollars of theft was about to be discovered and he was hoping their deaths would buy him sympathy and time to figure out a cover-up.

The federal guilty plea would almost certainly bring prison time, keeping Murdaugh behind bars even if his murder conviction appeal was successful.


Before the killings, state and federal investigators said Murdaugh stole millions from clients who suffered debilitating injuries and who needed money for medical care. He is charged with stealing from his family's law firm and helping run a drug ring to launder money. Authorities said he asked a friend to kill him on the side of a lonely highway so his son would get $10 million in life insurance. The shot only grazed Murdaugh's head.

In federal court, Murdaugh faces 14 counts of money laundering, five counts of wire fraud, one count of bank fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Court records didn't indicate whether there's an agreement to drop any charges in exchange for a guilty plea."

Continued at link.

So he pleads guilty and they can't really give him more than the banker, can they?
 
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I'd have to be more up on it, fresh on it again to know if that seems right. Sounds light doesn't it? Or no? is it fitting?
He's a banker and they should have made an example of him. 7 years and he'll be out in 5 and will probably be allowed to serve some of it at home with an ankle tracker, I bet.

So 7 years with 5 years supervised release. Is that 12 years altogether or does it mean 2 years jail plus 5 years supervised release (like Epstein) to total 7 years?
 
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He's a banker and they should have made an example of him. 7 years and he'll be out in 5 and will probably be allowed to serve some of it at home with an ankle tracker, I bet.

So 7 years with 5 years supervised release. Is that 12 years altogether or does it mean 2 years jail plus 5 years supervised release (like Epstein) to total 7 years?
In response to this and your other post, yeah, it seems very light and disgustingly "white collar crimes" often seem to be. As a banker I'd say that makes him far worse than some with the breach of trust.

Don't know on the sentence but I'd think the supervised release would be after serving his sentence.

So did Alex make a deal in exchange for pleading guilty? Sorry for not taking the time to read the link..

No, I don't think they have to give him the same or similar to the banker. For one he has the charge of stealing from his law firm. I don't think their charges are exactly the same are they? Even if they were, I don't think sentencing has to be the same plus their positions were different. Alex was screwing his clients and/or was setting them up, I'd say he was more the perpetrator than the banker.

I'm a bit surprised by the guilty plea but not entirely. He wants to get into federal prison and not be in state prison. I'd also worry in Alex's case about connections. He isn't the scale of Epstein but I think people are naive to think this man never partied with anyone of influence or politics outside his little area or never had met or knew any others outside of it., up to state levels for sure, and who knows about federal. OR his father, grandfather, etc. did and so on. I'm not SAYING it is the case but I could see it.

I'd say they're going one step at a time (although I'm sure he'd rather do all at once and thinks he can be free) and the first is to get him into federal prison. I doubt he will shut up then and yes, appealing the murder convictions will be part of it. Even with pleading guilty here, I don't think it will stay that smooth. He will fight it at some point IF he goes through with it or he will serve what could be a light sentence and then HOPES to have the murder convictions overturned or won on appeal simultaneously to serving the federal sentence. I guess it is logical, they don't have much choice and this is their logical and best route.

I wonder first is there a deal for a certain amount of time in exchange for pleading guilty? I wonder second if they can make the argument of the banker's sentence and that he should receive the same or less. The banker went to trial didn't he? And did not plead guilty? Am I thinking of the right guy? So by Alex admitting guilt, he could receive lighter or argue for lighter? He does NOT DESERVE lighter and any honest judge should sentence him hard but we will have to wait and see. I'd not count on anything...

As far as where all the money went, I don't know there is anything all that curious about it. They were imo gluttons of greed and lavish lifestyles. Him especially. There doesn't APPEAR to be any Swiss chalet or hidden bank account or money stashed or you'd think he'd have been accessing it instead of continuing to need to steal.

Two homes, cars for them all, toys for them all, funding the lives of them all, college, drinks for all, hookers for him and his friends and parties, jet setting, games, dinners, bribes and payoffs, splitting the theft proceeds,, Paul's spending, lawyers once the Beach incident happened and more. Maybe gambling, who knows. Just playing the big shot.

It's funny how in so many cases, this stuff goes by the wayside or isn't really delved into or talked about much. You can count on imo part o f the reason is just like Epstein but on a smaller scale it's because of the number of people around Alex and even beyond were recipients of his generosity or throwing money around. I mean I don't think just one or two people were attending his hooker and booze and all out parties. I am trying to remember where that came from, but I believe it to be likely true (imo). We know or can believe Paul spent big and was the type to just like dad be impressing his friends, show he had money and show he had more than anyone around him and anywhere. I don't doubt Maggie and Buster did the same but weren't so brash about it. They attended big games, family vacations, clothing, etc. I'm sure every time Paul had a traffic ticket or car accident, hands were probably greased. Were there two residences or three? I'm thinking three--Moselle, the beach house Maggie stayed at and a main residence? Just maintaining Moselle which wasn't even lived in on any regular basis (was it?) would be costly imo. Property taxes, a housekeeper, probably someone to do the grounds, you name it. He lived or wanted to a life that did not fit his income. I'm surprised he never tried to run for some big office but then the man was lazy like many a glutton. The only time imo he moved fast and made a lot of effort was in the murders and that was necessary.

Finally add in the drug habit. You know I've seen absolutely no evidence he was an addict of any kind with drugs. Maybe he was and maybe he wasn't. It was an instant and convenient excuse when the heat came down to go to treatment and claim such, a common "rich" or "famous" person act to get out of things and blame it on an addiction. There was talk of with the housekeeper thing that drugs were found and Maggie and Paul confronted him or were going to or something like that. That still doesn't mean HE was the one taking the pills BUT I can believe it too, undecided. He could have been selling them, providing them to someone, etc. IF true.

I think Alex likely never lived within his means in his life. I doubt he ever balanced a checkbook or made a budget not even in his early years. Just like Paul, he was raised never having to. I doubt he and Maggie ever had lean years starting out in marriage because they never adulted or had to, at least he never did. The name and money was all of it. They lived as they wanted and when he realized the money was not covering something, he got the bank to let him overdraft to an extreme point, he used the name and the power. He stole. He this, he that. I doubt he EVER knew I need xxx amount of dollars next month to cover the light bill, groceries, the property taxes and I have xxx amount of dollars and can expect xxx amount of dollars in my income next month. Never in his life I believe did he know these things or care to.

I'll stop. Sorry but this is going to be a post you'll have to scroll a lot on a phone to read all. LOL.
 
In response to this and your other post, yeah, it seems very light and disgustingly "white collar crimes" often seem to be. As a banker I'd say that makes him far worse than some with the breach of trust.

Don't know on the sentence but I'd think the supervised release would be after serving his sentence.

So did Alex make a deal in exchange for pleading guilty? Sorry for not taking the time to read the link..

No, I don't think they have to give him the same or similar to the banker. For one he has the charge of stealing from his law firm. I don't think their charges are exactly the same are they? Even if they were, I don't think sentencing has to be the same plus their positions were different. Alex was screwing his clients and/or was setting them up, I'd say he was more the perpetrator than the banker.

I'm a bit surprised by the guilty plea but not entirely. He wants to get into federal prison and not be in state prison. I'd also worry in Alex's case about connections. He isn't the scale of Epstein but I think people are naive to think this man never partied with anyone of influence or politics outside his little area or never had met or knew any others outside of it., up to state levels for sure, and who knows about federal. OR his father, grandfather, etc. did and so on. I'm not SAYING it is the case but I could see it.

I'd say they're going one step at a time (although I'm sure he'd rather do all at once and thinks he can be free) and the first is to get him into federal prison. I doubt he will shut up then and yes, appealing the murder convictions will be part of it. Even with pleading guilty here, I don't think it will stay that smooth. He will fight it at some point IF he goes through with it or he will serve what could be a light sentence and then HOPES to have the murder convictions overturned or won on appeal simultaneously to serving the federal sentence. I guess it is logical, they don't have much choice and this is their logical and best route.

I wonder first is there a deal for a certain amount of time in exchange for pleading guilty? I wonder second if they can make the argument of the banker's sentence and that he should receive the same or less. The banker went to trial didn't he? And did not plead guilty? Am I thinking of the right guy? So by Alex admitting guilt, he could receive lighter or argue for lighter? He does NOT DESERVE lighter and any honest judge should sentence him hard but we will have to wait and see. I'd not count on anything...

As far as where all the money went, I don't know there is anything all that curious about it. They were imo gluttons of greed and lavish lifestyles. Him especially. There doesn't APPEAR to be any Swiss chalet or hidden bank account or money stashed or you'd think he'd have been accessing it instead of continuing to need to steal.

Two homes, cars for them all, toys for them all, funding the lives of them all, college, drinks for all, hookers for him and his friends and parties, jet setting, games, dinners, bribes and payoffs, splitting the theft proceeds,, Paul's spending, lawyers once the Beach incident happened and more. Maybe gambling, who knows. Just playing the big shot.

It's funny how in so many cases, this stuff goes by the wayside or isn't really delved into or talked about much. You can count on imo part o f the reason is just like Epstein but on a smaller scale it's because of the number of people around Alex and even beyond were recipients of his generosity or throwing money around. I mean I don't think just one or two people were attending his hooker and booze and all out parties. I am trying to remember where that came from, but I believe it to be likely true (imo). We know or can believe Paul spent big and was the type to just like dad be impressing his friends, show he had money and show he had more than anyone around him and anywhere. I don't doubt Maggie and Buster did the same but weren't so brash about it. They attended big games, family vacations, clothing, etc. I'm sure every time Paul had a traffic ticket or car accident, hands were probably greased. Were there two residences or three? I'm thinking three--Moselle, the beach house Maggie stayed at and a main residence? Just maintaining Moselle which wasn't even lived in on any regular basis (was it?) would be costly imo. Property taxes, a housekeeper, probably someone to do the grounds, you name it. He lived or wanted to a life that did not fit his income. I'm surprised he never tried to run for some big office but then the man was lazy like many a glutton. The only time imo he moved fast and made a lot of effort was in the murders and that was necessary.

Finally add in the drug habit. You know I've seen absolutely no evidence he was an addict of any kind with drugs. Maybe he was and maybe he wasn't. It was an instant and convenient excuse when the heat came down to go to treatment and claim such, a common "rich" or "famous" person act to get out of things and blame it on an addiction. There was talk of with the housekeeper thing that drugs were found and Maggie and Paul confronted him or were going to or something like that. That still doesn't mean HE was the one taking the pills BUT I can believe it too, undecided. He could have been selling them, providing them to someone, etc. IF true.

I think Alex likely never lived within his means in his life. I doubt he ever balanced a checkbook or made a budget not even in his early years. Just like Paul, he was raised never having to. I doubt he and Maggie ever had lean years starting out in marriage because they never adulted or had to, at least he never did. The name and money was all of it. They lived as they wanted and when he realized the money was not covering something, he got the bank to let him overdraft to an extreme point, he used the name and the power. He stole. He this, he that. I doubt he EVER knew I need xxx amount of dollars next month to cover the light bill, groceries, the property taxes and I have xxx amount of dollars and can expect xxx amount of dollars in my income next month. Never in his life I believe did he know these things or care to.

I'll stop. Sorry but this is going to be a post you'll have to scroll a lot on a phone to read all. LOL.
Yeah 6 phone screens altogether. I though that post would get a reaction from you. It's not a done deal yet, I think they are still negotiating. The court date is Sep 21st.

Yes that was the banker who also took the case to appeal, I think, and was out on bail the whole time. Now his jail time actually starts.
 
Yeah 6 phone screens altogether. I though that post would get a reaction from you. It's not a done deal yet, I think they are still negotiating. The court date is Sep 21st.

Yes that was the banker who also took the case to appeal, I think, and was out on bail the whole time. Now his jail time actually starts.
Same one that thought he could get off based on Alex saying while on the stand in the murder trial that he knew NOTHING? I think my confusion is with the banker and the other attorney who Alex sent the people to. Is Lafitte the banker?

ONLY six screens? That's NOTHING. I'm disappointed in myself. Lol.
 
Same one that thought he could get off based on Alex saying while on the stand in the murder trial that he knew NOTHING? I think my confusion is with the banker and the other attorney who Alex sent the people to. Is Lafitte the banker?

ONLY six screens? That's NOTHING. I'm disappointed in myself. Lol.
Yes, Lafitte is the Palmetto State banker. I think you may be thinking of Corey Fleming who was a lawyer. IIRC he did a deal too so will check out what he got.
 
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Ok so $88,000 divided by $40 per pill equals 2,200 pills. 100 pills per bottle would be 22 bottles of pills. Doesn't sound like a lot of pills does it?
No, it doesn't. It's b.s.

There's probably an amount that puts you into a different bracket with crime. So they are staying under it. As to what level dealer, etc. someone is. OR if considered a dealer or a personal user, etc.

Sorry, my focus isn't great. I'm tired. Ever yeek is overtime and no life or time. Trying to catch up here on the site.

So what are your thoughts on it? The $80k and amount of pills, etc.?
 
Yes, Lafitte is the Palmetto State banker. I think you may be thinking of Corey Fleming who was a lawyer, I think. IIRC he did a deal too so will check out what he got.
wow, i had it right then. keep thinking russell lafitte. coudln't think of fleming's name but now that you say it, i do have them straight. and yeah, both faced charges.

so which one tried to say what alex said on the stand, that they weren't in the "know" or a part of it should get their case dismissed? the banker lafitte right?
 
No, it doesn't. It's b.s.

There's probably an amount that puts you into a different bracket with crime. So they are staying under it. As to what level dealer, etc. someone is. OR if considered a dealer or a personal user, etc.

Sorry, my focus isn't great. I'm tired. Ever yeek is overtime and no life or time. Trying to catch up here on the site.

So what are your thoughts on it? The $80k and amount of pills, etc.?
Small potatoes. There had to be more.

I just found Cory Fleming's sentence. It was two weeks ago and he only got 46 months and two years probation and he paid the money back apparently. Wonder how he managed to do that?

Two links


www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/08/16/alex-murdaugh-cory-fleming-prison-gloria-satterfield/
 
So I think if the two associates got 4 and 7 years, then Murdaugh is going to get at least 10 or 11 years as the head of the conspiracy. But as it is a federal crime he will serve that in a federal jail so it won't make any difference to him - it will be better for him I guess.

Do you know why it is a federal crime?
 
Small potatoes. There had to be more.

I just found Cory Fleming's sentence. It was two weeks ago and he only got 46 months and two years probation and he paid the money back apparently. Wonder how he managed to do that?

Two links


www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/08/16/alex-murdaugh-cory-fleming-prison-gloria-satterfield/
That's UNREAL for what they did. Just WRONG. Paying money back doesn't make the fact you did it right. Alex was scrambling to do similar s if it would save him. Lafitte I think went to trial, did Fleming? Or was a deal cut? Sorry to be a pain but this is a work day for me. I've got some long stretches coming up and am getting ready in between posts. And trying to ensure my cats aren't going to starve, be out of water, etc. I get NO time I swear. Have a thousand other things to take care of I don't get time for. Just can't read links these days very often. Have to pick and choose when I do have moments and now is not one of them.

The sentences are jokes imo.
 
So I think if the two associates got 4 and 7 years, then Murdaugh is going to get at least 10 or 11 years as the head of the conspiracy. But as it is a federal crime he will serve that in a federal jail so it won't make any difference to him - it will be better for him I guess.

Do you know why it is a federal crime?
You would think so BUT did Lafitte or Fleming plead guilty or go to trial? If Alex does plead and deals, it's hard to say.
 
In SOME ways, he'd be smarter to want longer in federal prison.... If he has to serve life, if he dies in there it is where they prefer him to be of the choices he has. If he can never get out or win on appeal then he'd want to serve his time in federal. The MINUTE the federal sentence is done he would go back to state prison so he is in a bit of a fix where you'd think you'd want less time but he also actually has o want more time...

I suspect the guilty plea is to get him out of state prison and into federal as soon as humanly possible. It's sad this game can be played by a convict or that one is better than the other quite honestly.
 
That's UNREAL for what they did. Just WRONG. Paying money back doesn't make the fact you did it right. Alex was scrambling to do similar s if it would save him. Lafitte I think went to trial, did Fleming? Or was a deal cut? Sorry to be a pain but this is a work day for me. I've got some long stretches coming up and am getting ready in between posts. And trying to ensure my cats aren't going to starve, be out of water, etc. I get NO time I swear. Have a thousand other things to take care of I don't get time for. Just can't read links these days very often. Have to pick and choose when I do have moments and now is not one of them.

The sentences are jokes imo.
I think Fleming did a deal IIRC after he saw what Lafitte got.

Just checked oxycontin prices and one 40g pill is $4 cost on prescription and $400 street price so $40 per pill is cheap. This is based on prices in Cincinnati in 2000 so it could be cheaper now


OxyContin is designed to be swallowed whole; however, abusers ingest the drug in a variety of ways. OxyContin abusers often chew the tablets or crush the tablets and snort the powder. Because oxycodone is water soluble, crushed tablets can be dissolved in water and the solution injected. The latter two methods lead to the rapid release and absorption of oxycodone. The alcohol and drug treatment staff at the Mountain Comprehensive Care Center, Prestonsburg, Kentucky, reports individuals who have never injected drugs are using OxyContin intravenously and they have never seen a drug "proliferate like OxyContin has since May 2000." The staff at this center has over 90 cumulative years' experience conducting drug evaluations.

OxyContin and heroin have similar effects; therefore, both drugs are attractive to the same abuser population. OxyContin is sometimes referred to as "poor man's heroin," despite the high price it commands at the street level. A 40 mg tablet of OxyContin by prescription costs approximately $4 or $400 for a 100-tablet bottle in a retail pharmacy. Street prices vary depending on geographic location, but generally OxyContin sells for between 50 cents and $1 per milligram. Thus, the same 100-tablet bottle purchased for $400 at a retail pharmacy can sell for $2,000 to $4,000 illegally.

OxyContin is, however, relatively inexpensive for those covered by health insurance, since the insurance provider covers most costs associated with doctor visits and the prescription. Unfortunately, many OxyContin abusers whose health insurance will no longer pay for prescriptions and who cannot afford the high street-level prices are attracted to heroin. For example, in West Virginia the availability of lower cost heroin is attracting many OxyContin abusers who have never used heroin.​

Strength
Licit Retail
Illicit Retail
Price per tablet
Price per tablet
10 mg​
$1.25​
$5 to $10​
20 mg​
$2.30​
$10 to $20​
40 mg​
$4.00​
$25 to $40​
80 mg​
$6.00​
$65 to $80​
160 mg​
$14.00​
unknown​
Source: Cincinnati Police Department Pharmaceutical Diversion Squad, November 2000​
 
In SOME ways, he'd be smarter to want longer in federal prison.... If he has to serve life, if he dies in there it is where they prefer him to be of the choices he has. If he can never get out or win on appeal then he'd want to serve his time in federal. The MINUTE the federal sentence is done he would go back to state prison so he is in a bit of a fix where you'd think you'd want less time but he also actually has o want more time...

I suspect the guilty plea is to get him out of state prison and into federal as soon as humanly possible. It's sad this game can be played by a convict or that one is better than the other quite honestly.
He could be planning to work on his murder appeal while he is in prison and that would probably help if he is in federal prison while he does that. It really won't matter what sentence he gets then really, will it? Lifers get privileges don't they?

This is beginning to remind me of the Shawshank Redemption.
 
I think Fleming did a deal IIRC after he saw what Lafitte got.

Just checked oxycontin prices and one pill is $4 cost on prescription and $400 street price so $40 per pill is cheap.

Yeah the whole drug thing is being sn*wed. Underplayed, etc. I doubt they will ever have enough to do much about it BUT then again maybe it is being explored up the ladder so to speak but it doesn't seem like it. There are so many hints of actual HUGE drug running in this family back to his grandfather or great grandfather, can't recall. AND HIM. Have you ever watched Eric Allen's or Alan's (forget spelling) series on the Murdaughts? They are very easy to listen to and he's very good.

I suspect, how can one not, that so many more heads would be rolling if all was found out OR revealed. I mean I guess we could believe what this is turning out to be/come out as, just a man out of control in his own life with a handful of buddies involved but I don't believe it. It is WAY more than that.

I think Daybell is another one that was way more than what we are going to see.

Epstein of course, the one on the grandest scale.
 
I think Fleming did a deal IIRC after he saw what Lafitte got.

Just checked oxycontin prices and one 40g pill is $4 cost on prescription and $400 street price so $40 per pill is cheap. This is based on prices in Cincinnati in 2000 so it could be cheaper now


OxyContin is designed to be swallowed whole; however, abusers ingest the drug in a variety of ways. OxyContin abusers often chew the tablets or crush the tablets and snort the powder. Because oxycodone is water soluble, crushed tablets can be dissolved in water and the solution injected. The latter two methods lead to the rapid release and absorption of oxycodone. The alcohol and drug treatment staff at the Mountain Comprehensive Care Center, Prestonsburg, Kentucky, reports individuals who have never injected drugs are using OxyContin intravenously and they have never seen a drug "proliferate like OxyContin has since May 2000." The staff at this center has over 90 cumulative years' experience conducting drug evaluations.

OxyContin and heroin have similar effects; therefore, both drugs are attractive to the same abuser population. OxyContin is sometimes referred to as "poor man's heroin," despite the high price it commands at the street level. A 40 mg tablet of OxyContin by prescription costs approximately $4 or $400 for a 100-tablet bottle in a retail pharmacy. Street prices vary depending on geographic location, but generally OxyContin sells for between 50 cents and $1 per milligram. Thus, the same 100-tablet bottle purchased for $400 at a retail pharmacy can sell for $2,000 to $4,000 illegally.

OxyContin is, however, relatively inexpensive for those covered by health insurance, since the insurance provider covers most costs associated with doctor visits and the prescription. Unfortunately, many OxyContin abusers whose health insurance will no longer pay for prescriptions and who cannot afford the high street-level prices are attracted to heroin. For example, in West Virginia the availability of lower cost heroin is attracting many OxyContin abusers who have never used heroin.​

Strength
Licit Retail
Illicit Retail
Price per tablet
Price per tablet
10 mg​
$1.25​
$5 to $10​
20 mg​
$2.30​
$10 to $20​
40 mg​
$4.00​
$25 to $40​
80 mg​
$6.00​
$65 to $80​
160 mg​
$14.00​
unknown​
I think you are right about Fleming and the deal after the banker was sentenced and he saw it.

It is interesting they say oxy and heroine is similar in ways.

I have heroine in my head always in this case, more than oxy. Why is that? WAs it said heroine was run by his predecessors or is it that it was said Alex had a heroine problem. Heroine sticks in my head. Did Alex claim to have a heroine addiction but also used or turned to oxy?

Something has changed here or been covered up or I am not recalling correctly.

Anyhow, the entire drug thing is being minimized and pushed down if you ask me. And I don't buy the whole "Cousin" Eddie thing was the all of his "ring".
 
My instinct says and has always said there were drugs ran on a big scale. Historically with the Murdaughs or some of them through the generations. Now would they be the highest persoi in such a thing or a lot of steps above the lowest ones and a few under the highest ones... Like I said there is some interesting stuff in Eric's videos and he researches carefully, he is one that does not put out a lot of YT content. And is not what I'd call a YT'er or true crime junkie. Running by boat. Do I remember the Bahamas in their history...? There was talk all the way back to his grandfather or some such.
 

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