PAUL & MAGGIE MURDAUGH: South Carolina vs. Alex Murdaugh for Double Homicide of wife & son *GUILTY*

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This case is being kept pretty quiet, no major details released to speak of (other than it does say there were two different guns used), but no info regarding who found them, who called 911, very little else.

Of interest, the grandfather died just a few days after these murders and it sounds as if he was ill from various articles so probably not unexpected. I think of the typical motives, did grandpa have a big estate? How big in the overall family of grandpa's on down? They sound like a pretty well known family and a powerful one in their state, more on that in the article.


www.postandcourier.com

Questions abound in SC Murdaugh killing. Among them: Should prosecutor step aside?

Several days after two members of a prominent Hampton County family were fatally shot, questions about what happened still vastly outnumber answers.
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The AG and SLED are going to investigate the jury tampering.

www.live5news.com

AG Wilson requests SLED to investigate jury tampering allegations in Murdaugh case

South Carolina’s attorney general has requested the state law enforcement division to investigate allegations of jury tampering in the Alex Murdaugh double murder trial.
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Fleming pleads guilty in TWO DOZEN State charges. Did we miss this? NB this was three weeks ago. He starts his federal sentence immediately so ie 3 WEEKS AGO. That was kept very quiet wasn't it? " a man charged and convicted .......etc....." LOL.


CHARLESTON, S.C. (WCSC) - A man charged and convicted on federal conspiracy charges pleaded guilty Wednesday on nearly two dozen state charges.

Cory Fleming faced a total of 23 state charges ranging from breach of trust with fraudulent intent, money laundering, computer crimes, and criminal conspiracy.

The charges stem from accusations that he conspired with disbarred Lowcountry attorney Alex Murdaugh to take money from a wrongful death settlement from the estate of Gloria Satterfield. Satterfield was Murdaugh’s longtime housekeeper who died after what was described as a “trip-and-fall” accident at Murdaugh’s home in February of 2018.

In May, the 54-year-old Fleming appeared before Judge Richard Gergel in federal court in downtown Charleston to plead guilty on federal charges. He was sentenced last week in federal court to 46 months, nearly four years in prison. Gergel also sentenced him to pay $102,000 in restitution and a fine of $20,000. He will also be under three years of supervised release after he serves his time.


Fleming was taken into custody at the end of the hearing to begin his 46-month federal sentence.

The South Carolina Supreme Court issued an order suspending him from practicing law on Oct. 8, 2021.

The date for sentencing on the state charges has not yet been set.

This is a developing story. Check back for updates.


www.live5news.com

Ex-attorney Fleming enters guilty pleas on state charges

A man charged and convicted on federal conspiracy charges pleaded guilty Wednesday on nearly two dozen state charges.
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So is the next thing we see Alex's federal trial, where he is supposedly pleading guilty and will then be in federal jail with his mate and lawyer Fleming working on an appeal/new murder trial ??????
 
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So she had a co writer.


"Colleton County Clerk of Court Rebecca “Becky” Hill has not yet responded to allegations of jury tampering in Alex Murdaugh’s double murder trial - but her co-author is staunchly defending the clerk he describes as someone of integrity and genuine character.

Neil R Gordon appeared on Court TV Tuesday night just hours after Murdaugh’s defence attorneys filed a motion requesting a new trial for the convicted killer on the basis that Ms Hill tampered with the jury because she was driven by fame and a desire to secure a book deal.

Mr Gordon and Ms Hill worked together for months after the trial on a tell-all book titled Behind the Doors of Justice: The Murdaugh Murders, which was released on 1 August.


Mr Gordon told Court TV’s Vinnie Politan on Tuesday that he was shocked when he heard about the allegations and what Murdaugh’s attorneys Dick Harpootlian and Jim Griffin believed to be Ms Hill’s alleged motivation.

“I was pretty upset at what Harpootlian said was the motivation Becky had,” Mr Gordon said. “Last time I checked, Simon and Schuster did not send us a check for $200,000.”

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Mr Gordon explained that his family and Ms Hill’s family together forked over their own money, about $30,000, to self-publish the book.

“We put up our own money because we thought it was an interesting story to tell,” he added.

“We felt like it was a story that should be told,” adding that he doesn’t believe there would be another trial like this one in our lifetime.


www.independent.co.uk

Court clerk’s co-author responds to Alex Murdaugh’s claims of jury tampering

Colleton County Clerk of Court Becky Hill has not yet responded to allegations of jury tampering in Alex Murdaugh’s double murder trial
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They met on the courtroom steps....

www.greenvilleonline.com

Colleton County court official turned author launches Murdaugh murder trial book tour

Becky Hill and co-author Neil R. Gordon released their book, Behind the Doors of Justice, on Aug. 1 and are about to embark on a promotional tour.
www.greenvilleonline.com

The Colleton County court official who helped orchestrate and oversee a six-week, double murder trial in Colleton County, then read the guilty verdict for convicted murderer Alex Murdaugh, has now published a tell-all book about her experiences and is launching a book tour.

Colleton County Clerk of Court turned author Rebecca "Becky" Hill and co-author Neil R. Gordon released their book, Behind the Doors of Justice: The Murdaugh Murders, on Aug. 1 and are about to embark on a promotional tour.

The new book, which is self published, is already bouncing around the top three on one of the Amazon “true crime” best seller categories (white collar crime true accounts).

"I love the Toni Morrison quote that says, 'If there's a book you want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, you must write it.'," Hill said. "And that's exactly what I did."

Gordon worked in the Augusta market for 30 years in various TV news positions for WRDW and WAGT and published print and digital publications, called “Buzz on Biz” and “Augusta Business Daily.”

The cover of Behind the Doors of Justice: The Murdaugh Murders.

The cover of Behind the Doors of Justice: The Murdaugh Murders.
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“I am sooo excited to introduce viewers, readers, and friends of mine to meet Becky, take photos with her and get autographed copies of Behind the Doors of Justice, a book we are so proud of," said Gordon.

The book contains exclusive, never-before-seen photos by Gordon's wife, photographer Melissa Brinson Gordon, as well as exclusive behind-the-scenes courthouse images.

This non-fiction account is a result of a chance encounter with new friends, Hill says. The Colleton Clerk of Court met Melissa Gordon in the courthouse square in the final days of the Murdaugh murder trial. Gordon and a friend were in Walterboro to document the S.C. Lowcountry murder trial that had gripped the entire country.

Authors Becky Hill, at left, and Neil Gordon hard at work at a studio in Augusta, GA.

Authors Becky Hill, at left, and Neil Gordon hard at work at a studio in Augusta, GA.
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This chance meeting ― and a request to take a "selfie" with Hill ― led to friendship and a mutual desire to capture in words and photos what went on “Behind the Doors of Justice," Hill added.

Neil Gordon said that he and Melissa were "obsessed" with the murder trial, and after meeting Hill, wanted to work together to document the experience.

“To make things sweeter for me, my photographer wife Melissa took many of the exclusive photos in the book and she collaborated with Addie Strozier, an Augusta photographer friend, on the book cover.”

While some book events are still in the works, here is a list of signings around the Southeast over the next few weeks.

Book Signings:

  • Saturday, Aug. 5, 12 - 4 p.m., McIntosh Book Shoppe, 917 Bay Street, Beaufort, SC
  • Sunday, Aug. 6, 12 - 6 p.m., Augusta Business Daily, 930 Stevens Creek Road, Augusta, Ga
  • Saturday, Aug. 12 and Sunday Aug. 13, 8 a.m. - 1 p.m., Huc-A-Poos, 1213 U.S 80 Tybee Island, Ga
  • Saturay, Aug. 26, 10 a.m. - Noon, The Material Girls, Lee Avenue, Hampton, S.C., (joint book signing with Michael DeWitt, author of Wicked Hampton County).
 
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No I haven't seen the press conference itself but have just read some reports and the posts on here. The book came out on 1st Aug, I understand and no jurors talked before that book came out AFAIK. I have always said the Netflix series being on at the same time as the trial was wrong - it would just not happen here. Now the jurors are talking and getting lawyers. What a sh*tshow.

Has the clerk still got her job? Does she have a lawyer too? I am wondering why Alex even wants a new trial? Why wouldn't he just want to appeal his case and win?
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The clerk does have a lawyer. I think she still has her job and will as at this point these are nothing but allegations by the defense. Not sure of course and I guess they could put her on leave pending an investigation but I've heard no hint she is out of a job at this time.

I'm no expert but what I do know would take too much to explain and probably be convoluted but I'd simply say appeals are different than new trials and depending on each issue, they go through, each has its uses and some things are sent back to the trial court by an appeals court anyhow. Also, there is reason at times you start at the trial court level and that's what it sounds like here, they want the appeals process stayed while they go back to the trial court if I have it right.

Why would they want one? A multitude of reasons. First and foremost, he was convicted. Second, they absolutely failed miserably defending this case and I'm sure would like a redo. So many reasons. Alex's choice to testify (although I could see him doing so again, the man is convinced he can play people with his lies and confident of his ability to do so GAG. An appeals process is different and can take years but again, there are different issues for each and again the appeals court can send some issues back to the trial judge anyhow. I don't know but I do know this, it is all strategy and timing of each thing they (the defense) are doing.

I'd recommend watching and listening to the defense and what they claim and said that started this sh*t show. Personally I find them distasteful and don't trust a thing about them but it is clearly a PR campaign and staged for a reason. They are vehement and all high and mighty about the unfairness and how this cannot go in our justice system, etc. Well no one can disagree with that BUT then look at who it is coming from. There are a couple of glimpses of Poot's chauvinistic attitude AND his feeling of superiority, he insults people as well, those that live on dirt roads for instance... Very crafted but who he is shines through. They don't ad lib quite as well as they could either when questioned... Imo anyhow.

Who knows? If what they allege is true then it is wrong. However, with a few days having passed since this, and thinking on it and listening to some others, I have a feeling this isn't going to come out nearly as clear as they try to say it is. It doesn't sound to me as if any juror wanted to talk to them to begin with... Sigh. I don't know, none of us do, no one does if you ask me. All we have is allegations by the defense. I expect it will come down to what the jurors say and how many and whether believable AND what the clerk says, etc.

IMO a new trial will never get Alex acquitted UNLESS they can pay off or place fear in TWELVE new jurors. It will result again in a conviction or at best a hung jury. Different decisions may be made as to what is allowed in, etc. but I still don't see ever any acquittal.

What this is and will do though is cause a lot of people to never want to be on a jury. Threatening jurors that they need lawyers, subpoena power perhaps coming at some point to bring them in, etc.

I've heard differing opinions of "Miss Becky". They need to quit calling her that, it is reminiscent of a time in the deep south if you ask me. that needs to be gone. And to be fair and not all one sided, I don't find the way her co-author or whoever he is and this plan for a book and when it came about very credible but a bit hard to believe... But the book is not the problem here. And I also don't find Poot's claim she needed a conviction for her book very credible either. It falls flat with me. There may have been some reason, IF any of this is true, but that one doesn't gel for me.
 
Tresir said:
So she had a co writer.


"Colleton County Clerk of Court Rebecca “Becky” Hill has not yet responded to allegations of jury tampering in Alex Murdaugh’s double murder trial - but her co-author is staunchly defending the clerk he describes as someone of integrity and genuine character.

Neil R Gordon appeared on Court TV Tuesday night just hours after Murdaugh’s defence attorneys filed a motion requesting a new trial for the convicted killer on the basis that Ms Hill tampered with the jury because she was driven by fame and a desire to secure a book deal.

Mr Gordon and Ms Hill worked together for months after the trial on a tell-all book titled Behind the Doors of Justice: The Murdaugh Murders, which was released on 1 August.


Mr Gordon told Court TV’s Vinnie Politan on Tuesday that he was shocked when he heard about the allegations and what Murdaugh’s attorneys Dick Harpootlian and Jim Griffin believed to be Ms Hill’s alleged motivation.

“I was pretty upset at what Harpootlian said was the motivation Becky had,” Mr Gordon said. “Last time I checked, Simon and Schuster did not send us a check for $200,000.”

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Mr Gordon explained that his family and Ms Hill’s family together forked over their own money, about $30,000, to self-publish the book.

“We put up our own money because we thought it was an interesting story to tell,” he added.

“We felt like it was a story that should be told,” adding that he doesn’t believe there would be another trial like this one in our lifetime.


www.independent.co.uk

Court clerk’s co-author responds to Alex Murdaugh’s claims of jury tampering

Colleton County Clerk of Court Becky Hill has not yet responded to allegations of jury tampering in Alex Murdaugh’s double murder trial
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Yes, she did. A man whose wife just "happened" to go to the trial and meet Becky and get a selfie if I have it right. He has been on Surviving the Survivor more than once, Court TV, etc. I find the story of timing and how they met and decided this a BIT hard to believe. I do think he is telling the truth of the type of person she seems to e and how she comes across.... He admits book sales are up since this salacious news even...
 
Tresir said:
They met on the courtroom steps....

www.greenvilleonline.com

Colleton County court official turned author launches Murdaugh murder trial book tour

Becky Hill and co-author Neil R. Gordon released their book, Behind the Doors of Justice, on Aug. 1 and are about to embark on a promotional tour.
www.greenvilleonline.com

The Colleton County court official who helped orchestrate and oversee a six-week, double murder trial in Colleton County, then read the guilty verdict for convicted murderer Alex Murdaugh, has now published a tell-all book about her experiences and is launching a book tour.

Colleton County Clerk of Court turned author Rebecca "Becky" Hill and co-author Neil R. Gordon released their book, Behind the Doors of Justice: The Murdaugh Murders, on Aug. 1 and are about to embark on a promotional tour.

The new book, which is self published, is already bouncing around the top three on one of the Amazon “true crime” best seller categories (white collar crime true accounts).

"I love the Toni Morrison quote that says, 'If there's a book you want to read, but it hasn't been written yet, you must write it.'," Hill said. "And that's exactly what I did."

Gordon worked in the Augusta market for 30 years in various TV news positions for WRDW and WAGT and published print and digital publications, called “Buzz on Biz” and “Augusta Business Daily.”

The cover of Behind the Doors of Justice: The Murdaugh Murders.

The cover of Behind the Doors of Justice: The Murdaugh Murders.
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“I am sooo excited to introduce viewers, readers, and friends of mine to meet Becky, take photos with her and get autographed copies of Behind the Doors of Justice, a book we are so proud of," said Gordon.

The book contains exclusive, never-before-seen photos by Gordon's wife, photographer Melissa Brinson Gordon, as well as exclusive behind-the-scenes courthouse images.

This non-fiction account is a result of a chance encounter with new friends, Hill says. The Colleton Clerk of Court met Melissa Gordon in the courthouse square in the final days of the Murdaugh murder trial. Gordon and a friend were in Walterboro to document the S.C. Lowcountry murder trial that had gripped the entire country.

Authors Becky Hill, at left, and Neil Gordon hard at work at a studio in Augusta, GA.

Authors Becky Hill, at left, and Neil Gordon hard at work at a studio in Augusta, GA.
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This chance meeting ― and a request to take a "selfie" with Hill ― led to friendship and a mutual desire to capture in words and photos what went on “Behind the Doors of Justice," Hill added.

Neil Gordon said that he and Melissa were "obsessed" with the murder trial, and after meeting Hill, wanted to work together to document the experience.

“To make things sweeter for me, my photographer wife Melissa took many of the exclusive photos in the book and she collaborated with Addie Strozier, an Augusta photographer friend, on the book cover.”

While some book events are still in the works, here is a list of signings around the Southeast over the next few weeks.

Book Signings:

  • Saturday, Aug. 5, 12 - 4 p.m., McIntosh Book Shoppe, 917 Bay Street, Beaufort, SC
  • Sunday, Aug. 6, 12 - 6 p.m., Augusta Business Daily, 930 Stevens Creek Road, Augusta, Ga
  • Saturday, Aug. 12 and Sunday Aug. 13, 8 a.m. - 1 p.m., Huc-A-Poos, 1213 U.S 80 Tybee Island, Ga
  • Saturay, Aug. 26, 10 a.m. - Noon, The Material Girls, Lee Avenue, Hampton, S.C., (joint book signing with Michael DeWitt, author of Wicked Hampton County).
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Well the timing fits. All these book signings planned all the way to late August and here in early September we have explosive reaction and claims by the defense about jurors since the book's release.

The book though does not matter in the scheme of things really. What matters is whether she tampered with the jury.
 
GrandmaBear said:
The clerk does have a lawyer. I think she still has her job and will as at this point these are nothing but allegations by the defense. Not sure of course and I guess they could put her on leave pending an investigation but I've heard no hint she is out of a job at this time.

I'm no expert but what I do know would take too much to explain and probably be convoluted but I'd simply say appeals are different than new trials and depending on each issue, they go through, each has its uses and some things are sent back to the trial court by an appeals court anyhow. Also, there is reason at times you start at the trial court level and that's what it sounds like here, they want the appeals process stayed while they go back to the trial court if I have it right.

Why would they want one? A multitude of reasons. First and foremost, he was convicted. Second, they absolutely failed miserably defending this case and I'm sure would like a redo. So many reasons. Alex's choice to testify (although I could see him doing so again, the man is convinced he can play people with his lies and confident of his ability to do so GAG. An appeals process is different and can take years but again, there are different issues for each and again the appeals court can send some issues back to the trial judge anyhow. I don't know but I do know this, it is all strategy and timing of each thing they (the defense) are doing.

I'd recommend watching and listening to the defense and what they claim and said that started this sh*t show. Personally I find them distasteful and don't trust a thing about them but it is clearly a PR campaign and staged for a reason. They are vehement and all high and mighty about the unfairness and how this cannot go in our justice system, etc. Well no one can disagree with that BUT then look at who it is coming from. There are a couple of glimpses of Poot's chauvinistic attitude AND his feeling of superiority, he insults people as well, those that live on dirt roads for instance... Very crafted but who he is shines through. They don't ad lib quite as well as they could either when questioned... Imo anyhow.

Who knows? If what they allege is true then it is wrong. However, with a few days having passed since this, and thinking on it and listening to some others, I have a feeling this isn't going to come out nearly as clear as they try to say it is. It doesn't sound to me as if any juror wanted to talk to them to begin with... Sigh. I don't know, none of us do, no one does if you ask me. All we have is allegations by the defense. I expect it will come down to what the jurors say and how many and whether believable AND what the clerk says, etc.

IMO a new trial will never get Alex acquitted UNLESS they can pay off or place fear in TWELVE new jurors. It will result again in a conviction or at best a hung jury. Different decisions may be made as to what is allowed in, etc. but I still don't see ever any acquittal.

What this is and will do though is cause a lot of people to never want to be on a jury. Threatening jurors that they need lawyers, subpoena power perhaps coming at some point to bring them in, etc.

I've heard differing opinions of "Miss Becky". They need to quit calling her that, it is reminiscent of a time in the deep south if you ask me. that needs to be gone. And to be fair and not all one sided, I don't find the way her co-author or whoever he is and this plan for a book and when it came about very credible but a bit hard to believe... But the book is not the problem here. And I also don't find Poot's claim she needed a conviction for her book very credible either. It falls flat with me. There may have been some reason, IF any of this is true, but that one doesn't gel for me.
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If what is alleged in the motion in the link I posted about being involved, is true, then it is serious.

"The motion alleges Colleton County Clerk of Court Rebecca Hill “tampered with the jury” by advising jurors “not to believe Murdaugh’s testimony and other evidence presented by the defense, pressuring them to reach a quick guilty verdict, and even misrepresenting critical and material information to the trial judge in her campaign to remove a juror she believed to be favorable to the defense.”

The motion alleges Hill instructed jurors “not to be ‘misled’ by evidence” presented in Murdaugh’s defense and “not to be ‘fooled by’ Mr. Murdaugh’s testimony.” Court documents also allege Hill had “frequent private conversations with the jury foreperson, a court-appointed substitution for the foreperson the jury elected for itself at the request of Ms. Hill.”

The defense also alleges Hill asked jurors for their opinions about Murdaugh’s guilt or innocence, “invented a story” about a Facebook post to remove a juror she believed might vote not guilty, and “pressured jurors to reach a quick verdict, telling them from the outset of their deliberations that it ‘shouldn’t take them long.’”

The defense alleges in the motion that the allegation of private conversations with members of the jury “is supported by sworn affidavits of jurors and a witness to juror interviews, testimony at in camera proceedings and other evidence including Ms. Hill’s own book.”

The motion then demands an evidentiary hearing to determine whether a new trial is warranted."

I will listen to the MIB when I get a chance.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Yes, she did. A man whose wife just "happened" to go to the trial and meet Becky and get a selfie if I have it right. He has been on Surviving the Survivor more than once, Court TV, etc. I find the story of timing and how they met and decided this a BIT hard to believe. I do think he is telling the truth of the type of person she seems to e and how she comes across.... He admits book sales are up since this salacious news even...
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Book sales are up? NSS. I think the whole thing, including the Netflix sh!t is a travesty. If just a portion of this is true (remember the 'egg' juror - is she the one who was holding out?) then any future retrial or appeal is doomed any way we look at it. Could they even find new jurors if they had too?

I just don't know what to think TBH but am very interested in how it pans out.
 
Tresir said:
If what is alleged in the motion in the link I posted about being involved, is true, then it is serious.

"The motion alleges Colleton County Clerk of Court Rebecca Hill “tampered with the jury” by advising jurors “not to believe Murdaugh’s testimony and other evidence presented by the defense, pressuring them to reach a quick guilty verdict, and even misrepresenting critical and material information to the trial judge in her campaign to remove a juror she believed to be favorable to the defense.”

The motion alleges Hill instructed jurors “not to be ‘misled’ by evidence” presented in Murdaugh’s defense and “not to be ‘fooled by’ Mr. Murdaugh’s testimony.” Court documents also allege Hill had “frequent private conversations with the jury foreperson, a court-appointed substitution for the foreperson the jury elected for itself at the request of Ms. Hill.”

The defense also alleges Hill asked jurors for their opinions about Murdaugh’s guilt or innocence, “invented a story” about a Facebook post to remove a juror she believed might vote not guilty, and “pressured jurors to reach a quick verdict, telling them from the outset of their deliberations that it ‘shouldn’t take them long.’”

The defense alleges in the motion that the allegation of private conversations with members of the jury “is supported by sworn affidavits of jurors and a witness to juror interviews, testimony at in camera proceedings and other evidence including Ms. Hill’s own book.”

The motion then demands an evidentiary hearing to determine whether a new trial is warranted."

I will listen to the MIB when I get a chance.
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Oh the allegations are definitely serious and if true merit a new trial most likely. However, there has been no evidentiary hearing and all jurors are not saying this nor did all jurors give affidavits. So far it is the word of the defense which of course isn't enough for me.

What is an MIB? I"m assuming you mean the press conference? Yeah, that's where all since stems from. They held the PC and then or simultaneously filed.

I am definitely curious. What if eleven jurors say it is b.s. and they saw no such thing but one or two say otherwise? I'm assuming there are at least 13 since one was removed and replaced. Defense does not have but one or two signed affidavits though isn't it?

It is going to be a sh*t show as you say and the attorney for the couple of jurors pretty much says their testimony is not going to match what the defense says. No clue who they are but I wouldn't doubt at least one if not two are ones the defense refers to as saying otherwise. Of course we have their paralegal citing a couple as there are no affidavits, she/he (she I think) is just swearing to what she heard them say). I wouldn't trust that as far as one can throw it since it comes from the defense firm's paralegal.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Oh the allegations are definitely serious and if true merit a new trial most likely. However, there has been no evidentiary hearing and all jurors are not saying this nor did all jurors give affidavits. So far it is the word of the defense which of course isn't enough for me.

What is an MIB? I"m assuming you mean the press conference? Yeah, that's where all since stems from. They held the PC and then or simultaneously filed.

I am definitely curious. What if eleven jurors say it is b.s. and they saw no such thing but one or two say otherwise? I'm assuming there are at least 13 since one was removed and replaced. Defense does not have but one or two signed affidavits though isn't it?

It is going to be a sh*t show as you say and the attorney for the couple of jurors pretty much says their testimony is not going to match what the defense says. No clue who they are but I wouldn't doubt at least one if not two are ones the defense refers to as saying otherwise. Of course we have their paralegal citing a couple as there are no affidavits, she/he (she I think) is just swearing to what she heard them say). I wouldn't trust that as far as one can throw it since it comes from the defense firm's paralegal.
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Men in Black. I thought that was what you called them because of the sunglasses.

Anyhow I am sure we can rely on SLED to do a thorough investigation. Cough, cough.

Didn't they also have 6 alternate jurors too IIRC?
 
Tresir said:
Men in Black. I thought that was what you called them because of the sunglasses.

Anyhow I am sure we can rely on SLED to do a thorough investigation. Cough, cough.

Didn't they also have 6 alternate jurors too IIRC?
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Oh yeah I did say that. Men in Black. However, I still would have never figured out MIB if I had not asked lol.

SLED, the Murdaughs, court officials and more. They are all trying to save themselves if you ask me. When each has corruption in it and has corrupted with the others and things start coming down finally, interesting things happen and it becomes an every man for himself and yet they can't do that either really.... If one rats on what I know then the other rats on what he knows about the first rate and so it goes...

There is STILL a female judge that should be really looked at. So many I'm sure that haven't even been touched on. SLED. Local cops. OTHER attorneys. The sh*t show is brewing and has been all along now that REAL lives are being affected of important people being jailed...

Now a dirty Clerk? In the same area/courthouse, etc....

Yeah I'm sure there were alternates, I was just talking of the known jurors that deliberated as a ballpark figure. Alternates may have seen some but not all or all, not sure. IF even true about the Clerk and her coming in and her statements, etc.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Oh yeah I did say that. Men in Black. However, I still would have never figured out MIB if I had not asked lol.

SLED, the Murdaughs, court officials and more. They are all trying to save themselves if you ask me. When each has corruption in it and has corrupted with the others and things start coming down finally, interesting things happen and it becomes an every man for himself and yet they can't do that either really.... If one rats on what I know then the other rats on what he knows about the first rate and so it goes...

There is STILL a female judge that should be really looked at. So many I'm sure that haven't even been touched on. SLED. Local cops. OTHER attorneys. The sh*t show is brewing and has been all along now that REAL lives are being affected of important people being jailed...

Now a dirty Clerk? In the same area/courthouse, etc....

Yeah I'm sure there were alternates, I was just talking of the known jurors that deliberated as a ballpark figure. Alternates may have seen some but not all or all, not sure. IF even true about the Clerk and her coming in and her statements, etc.
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It's all rotten. Just look at this one case (Murdaugh) and see how many dirty hands there are so far apart from Murdaugh himself - the banker, the lawyer, the drug dealer, the cousin - now the court too?

I am not surprised and I don't think this is the end of it. As you say SLED.

Somewhere in these documents and articles, I saw a comment that an officer lied on the stand but I cannot remember where I saw it now. Have you come across anything?
 
Tresir said:
Book sales are up? NSS. I think the whole thing, including the Netflix sh!t is a travesty. If just a portion of this is true (remember the 'egg' juror - is she the one who was holding out?) then any future retrial or appeal is doomed any way we look at it. Could they even find new jurors if they had too?

I just don't know what to think TBH but am very interested in how it pans out.
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Well yeah, I doubt they are making a fortune but who knows. They are up in the same way Chad Daybell's worthless books went up in sales when people want to know what the idiots wrote or in the way any podcast Lori was ever on probably went up in views, etc.

You'd be surprised at the jurors they can find. I guarantee you if I talk to any friend, co-worker, family member, etc. they won't know a thing about any of this. Granted I am not in the same state but still you'd be surprised how few follow such and how few watch what does cover it. My mother and my daughters, totally different generations would be an example. They'd never see it. One daughter MIGHT see a Netflix documentary but doubtful. But that's all just whatever... People can know of a thing or two but still serve. I know of NO ONE I can talk crime with, in real life, believe me it is our own little world for the most part. Not a coworker, manager, etc. Of course in the low country and in that county it may be different. Anyhow...

So last night I was watching Harvard Lawyer Lee I think it is. The name of her YT. She has grown on me and is becoming a favorite. Don't let the Harvard part fool you, she is very down to earth with good thoughts and info. I don't know where Scott Reisch has disappeared to, does anyone? Haven't seen a show of his come up in a long time. I liked him for the legal aspect but it could be dry. I am liking this other one the more I see of her.

Anyhow, she bought the book to read it and see what Becky Hill said in it and to discuss it. See, another sale because of what is happening! I have to say the parts she was reading from it were not good as they kind of aligned with what is being said. When I had a moment to think about it though, it could also be that Old Pooter and Griff took the things said in the book and USED them to make it all fit and seem to be true as their allegations fit with some things in it. Of course she doesn't say she talked with the jury or anything but she says she felt Alex guilty and more. I was so wiped I fell asleep before I finished it but recommend watching. If I get a chance I will link it. There were other things I can't quite bring to mind right now that fit in to it all.

I have things and a deadline I have to make this morning now that the fire alarm isn't blaring any longer but hope to be back here and there and in between. Not sure I can but will try.

There is a part of me that can believe this is ALL one big thing that benefits most of the people in power and the accused. It's a reach but I don't know... Otherwise all are separated and going to play their cards in this sh*t show and fight each other... Hill and her family, etc. definitely knew/know Alex's family and not just now but through the generations... And knows Poot and so on. But she also may have an axe to grind...

I don't know. Muddled. A sh*t show for sure and more to come I'm sure.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Well yeah, I doubt they are making a fortune but who knows. They are up in the same way Chad Daybell's worthless books went up in sales when people want to know what the idiots wrote or in the way any podcast Lori was ever on probably went up in views, etc.

You'd be surprised at the jurors they can find. I guarantee you if I talk to any friend, co-worker, family member, etc. they won't know a thing about any of this. Granted I am not in the same state but still you'd be surprised how few follow such and how few watch what does cover it. My mother and my daughters, totally different generations would be an example. They'd never see it. One daughter MIGHT see a Netflix documentary but doubtful. But that's all just whatever... People can know of a thing or two but still serve. I know of NO ONE I can talk crime with, in real life, believe me it is our own little world for the most part. Not a coworker, manager, etc. Of course in the low country and in that county it may be different. Anyhow...

So last night I was watching Harvard Lawyer Lee I think it is. The name of her YT. She has grown on me and is becoming a favorite. Don't let the Harvard part fool you, she is very down to earth with good thoughts and info. I don't know where Scott Reisch has disappeared to, does anyone? Haven't seen a show of his come up in a long time. I liked him for the legal aspect but it could be dry. I am liking this other one the more I see of her.

Anyhow, she bought the book to read it and see what Becky Hill said in it and to discuss it. See, another sale because of what is happening! I have to say the parts she was reading from it were not good as they kind of aligned with what is being said. When I had a moment to think about it though, it could also be that Old Pooter and Griff took the things said in the book and USED them to make it all fit and seem to be true as their allegations fit with some things in it. Of course she doesn't say she talked with the jury or anything but she says she felt Alex guilty and more. I was so wiped I fell asleep before I finished it but recommend watching. If I get a chance I will link it. There were other things I can't quite bring to mind right now that fit in to it all.

I have things and a deadline I have to make this morning now that the fire alarm isn't blaring any longer but hope to be back here and there and in between. Not sure I can but will try.

There is a part of me that can believe this is ALL one big thing that benefits most of the people in power and the accused. It's a reach but I don't know... Otherwise all are separated and going to play their cards in this sh*t show and fight each other... Hill and her family, etc. definitely knew/know Alex's family and not just now but through the generations... And knows Poot and so on. But she also may have an axe to grind...

I don't know. Muddled. A sh*t show for sure and more to come I'm sure.
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If you pull up the 65 page motion I posted the relevant book extract is in that motion, so you can read it in that. I am still going thru it and have read some of the affidavits so far and glanced at the book extract but didn't yet read it all. I am initially interested in what the juror's say in their affidavits.

There is also talk of the trip to Moselle by the jurors and how that cemented the opinions of some of the jurors. It appears it was 8 initially thought him guilty and the clerk worked on the 4 and really appears to have influenced them. She made up a story about the ex of one of the jurors who was taken off the case (the egg juror). It seems true that she told jurors they could not have a smoke break until they had finished deliberating and it also seems true that some jurors were kept in a separate room.
 
Tresir said:
If you pull up the 65 page motion I posted the relevant book extract is in that motion, so you can read it in that. I am still going thru it and have read some of the affidavits so far and glanced at the book extract but didn't yet read it all. I am initially interested in what the juror's say in their affidavits.

There is also talk of the trip to Moselle by the jurors and how that cemented the opinions of some of the jurors. It appears it was 8 initially thought him guilty and the clerk worked on the 4 and really appears to have influenced them. She made up a story about the ex of one of the jurors who was taken off the case (the egg juror). It seems true that she told jurors they could not have a smoke break until they had finished deliberating and it also seems true that some jurors were kept in a separate room.
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From everything I hear the smoke break thing is not an issue or anything that will matter. As a former smoker, I'd agree. There are situation sin life all of the time you just can't have one. It would NEVER make me decide something I did not believe just to get out of there.

In fact it is ridiculous to even mention it by the defense imo. Smokers deal with sitting in a doctor's office for three hours, flying on a plane for four or seven, etc., they work and may have a day they don't get a break for four hours as it is busy, etc., etc., etc., etc. It isn't pleasant with the addiction but it is encountered all of the time. Or heck I'd ask for some Nicorette (gum). That defense is just fluff and nothingness. I don't even count it.

I tired to start to read the 65 pages you posted yesterday on a break but my phone wouldn't open it and still don't have time.

I too am interested in what the affidavits say if anyone has them. The ONE or TWO or whatever it is. Also if that attorney is representing either or both of the ones that signed affidavits, I have a feeling from what he is said they are going to disagree with what was said in them. I guess we will see. He hasn't said who they are so maybe they aren't either of them but others. And if so, it will be interesting to hear their story and if things in them were changed or they were coerced, etc. or what the ones who would NOT sign one have to say about the attempts....

My bare bones opinion as of now:

There is no proof of a thing yet and not a thing has been proven.

More importantly, IF this clerk did as alleged, she is a first class selfish busybody idiot and entirely did damage to the justice system and jury sytsem she has worked in for years and majory threw a wrench in this case. I do though find it a bit hard to believe she is THAT stupid and she is not an inexperienced clerk although I guess down there in low country and the things they all got away with for decades on end, maybe it isn't so hard to believe they just did as they wanted or would and ran the county.... In which case that puts her in line with Alex and Poot, etc.

So far this is all hype by the MIB and speculation of their press conference and anything known. We have heard nothing from the judge, the courts, the other side for the most part NOR the jurors.

Thus far it at its core is a sh*t show started by the MIB. Oh and of course they filed something which I haven't read but even then, it is a filing by one side and not all jurors by a long shot with only one side heard or known of thus far.
 
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