PAUL & MAGGIE MURDAUGH: South Carolina vs. Alex Murdaugh for Double Homicide of wife & son *GUILTY*

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This case is being kept pretty quiet, no major details released to speak of (other than it does say there were two different guns used), but no info regarding who found them, who called 911, very little else.

Of interest, the grandfather died just a few days after these murders and it sounds as if he was ill from various articles so probably not unexpected. I think of the typical motives, did grandpa have a big estate? How big in the overall family of grandpa's on down? They sound like a pretty well known family and a powerful one in their state, more on that in the article.


 
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Ok the wiretapping charges are from early June and for July according to the Fits news link I posted up thread. So that ties in with when she swopped her phone over to her private account. That would also be the work phone that she had during the trial of course. I can only guess that is when the GJ convened right?
Grand jury for what? The financial charges? I am lost as to what you mean or are trying to determine. The murder trial was in January. What was the time frame of when Poot did the big press conference on jury tampering and the Clerk?
 
I doubt she thought it was any big deal. She was just getting stuff out after the trial. She didn't give a :poop: about plagiarizing so I doubt her conscience runs deep.
Most people would worry they could end up with their arse in jail or in trouble at least. She didn't seem to. To me that makes her a lot like Murdaugh. She thinks she is untouchable, lovable, connected, thought highly of, probably a warm talker like Murdaugh too who could talk people out of anything. The lack of conscience yeah is notable, also just like him.

I don't like that this makes the entire jury tampering thing more likely to be true. There are a number of jurors who don't confirm it and I think defense and Murdaugh corrupt but here we have on the "other side" a corrupt one as well. Now we know she would plagiarize to meet a deadline and get her book out and heck yeah, she'd maybe try to rush a guilty verdict for the very same reason.

I am flat out disgusted with her. affecting justice that was served in this case. All for her own purposes and NOT for the sake of justice. Or so it appears.
 
Grand jury for what? The financial charges? I am lost as to what you mean or are trying to determine. The murder trial was in January. What was the time frame of when Poot did the big press conference on jury tampering and the Clerk?
This is a link to my earlier post upthread about the State AG taking over two SLED public corruption cases, which could include a GJ.

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"The South Carolina Attorney General’s office announced it will take over potential public corruption claims in Colleton County. The office told WSAV it is “assuming jurisdiction for all prosecutorial actions,” which could include the State Grand Jury."
 
Most people would worry they could end up with their arse in jail or in trouble at least. She didn't seem to. To me that makes her a lot like Murdaugh. She thinks she is untouchable, lovable, connected, thought highly of, probably a warm talker like Murdaugh too who could talk people out of anything. The lack of conscience yeah is notable, also just like him.

I don't like that this makes the entire jury tampering thing more likely to be true. There are a number of jurors who don't confirm it and I think defense and Murdaugh corrupt but here we have on the "other side" a corrupt one as well. Now we know she would plagiarize to meet a deadline and get her book out and heck yeah, she'd maybe try to rush a guilty verdict for the very same reason.

I am flat out disgusted with her. affecting justice that was served in this case. All for her own purposes and NOT for the sake of justice. Or so it appears.
In that interview I posted, i am pretty sure she said her father and Alex's father knew each other and talks about them making moonshine together, unless I misunderstood that.
 
In that interview I posted, i am pretty sure she said her father and Alex's father knew each other and talks about them making moonshine together, unless I misunderstood that.
I wouldn't be surprised. They are seeming much alike to me.

I have wondered at times if she didn't intentionally cause the jury thing giving Alex a way out, a new trial, time. I know it is far fetched but I have wondered it. I am not alone in this, I have seen others out there wonder it as well.

I also wonder her relationship or former one with Alex and his attorneys or if any through the years and over time. This is local territory to both and right now they are seeming very similar to me. I did not actually watch the interview of her with Gigi you posted, I thought I maybe had prior/wasn't sure but I don't think I have. Maybe I will.

Like I said, Gigi when the jury allegations came out didn't fall into it and always said she was the warmest, nicest woman with true southern charm and hospitality she'd ever met or something like that. I am very much paraphrasing. I'd also like to see if she changes her tune on her now with more coming out. My tune is changing and I am always willing to do that in any case if enough gives me reason to and this is reaching that point or even has reached it with her.

You mentioned feeling almost sorry for her. I did but now I don't. I still think this was a witch hunt BUT if she were clean, there wouldn't be much OR if her son was clean, etc. I think there is a ton of politics and struggles for control and power going on here and I'm sure the Murdaugh thing has left a lot of people concerned who is next and who will now control and more. I truly also worry some are trying to put in a fix for Alex. In most cases I wouldn't think likely and would feel farfetched, so but we know the corruption of this man and his connections and I am sure we only know the tip of the iceberg of who all, how long and how far that goes and with the family name and connections and years as well.

I hate to ask you but if you get a chance or are bored, could you get Maggie's, Alex's and Hill's ages (the age Maggie would be). I'm just curious if any would have went to school together or anything like that. Maybe not. I know she was born and raised I think in Collleton County but I can't recall if same town, etc. I am pretty sure she knew Maggie and has referred to it I think. Did Gigi's interview cover any of this? I may have to watch it if I can fit in the time.
 
Jan 29th is the date set for the start of the hearing on the jury tampering claims


Judge Toal, who replaces Judge Clifton Newman in presiding over Murdaugh murder matters, told The Hampton County Guardian Wednesday that the hearing is tentatively scheduled to begin on Monday, Jan. 29, at the Richland County Judicial Center, Columbia. The hearing is expected to last at least three days, until Jan. 31.
 
Jan 29th is the date set for the start of the hearing on the jury tampering claims


Judge Toal, who replaces Judge Clifton Newman in presiding over Murdaugh murder matters, told The Hampton County Guardian Wednesday that the hearing is tentatively scheduled to begin on Monday, Jan. 29, at the Richland County Judicial Center, Columbia. The hearing is expected to last at least three days, until Jan. 31.
And, as Poot threatened, are jurors going to be called in for this to testify, all of them?

It says she is working to do a media order and accommodate such needs or some such. Can we hope this will be live?
 
I wouldn't be surprised. They are seeming much alike to me.

I have wondered at times if she didn't intentionally cause the jury thing giving Alex a way out, a new trial, time. I know it is far fetched but I have wondered it. I am not alone in this, I have seen others out there wonder it as well.

I also wonder her relationship or former one with Alex and his attorneys or if any through the years and over time. This is local territory to both and right now they are seeming very similar to me. I did not actually watch the interview of her with Gigi you posted, I thought I maybe had prior/wasn't sure but I don't think I have. Maybe I will.

Like I said, Gigi when the jury allegations came out didn't fall into it and always said she was the warmest, nicest woman with true southern charm and hospitality she'd ever met or something like that. I am very much paraphrasing. I'd also like to see if she changes her tune on her now with more coming out. My tune is changing and I am always willing to do that in any case if enough gives me reason to and this is reaching that point or even has reached it with her.

You mentioned feeling almost sorry for her. I did but now I don't. I still think this was a witch hunt BUT if she were clean, there wouldn't be much OR if her son was clean, etc. I think there is a ton of politics and struggles for control and power going on here and I'm sure the Murdaugh thing has left a lot of people concerned who is next and who will now control and more. I truly also worry some are trying to put in a fix for Alex. In most cases I wouldn't think likely and would feel farfetched, so but we know the corruption of this man and his connections and I am sure we only know the tip of the iceberg of who all, how long and how far that goes and with the family name and connections and years as well.

I hate to ask you but if you get a chance or are bored, could you get Maggie's, Alex's and Hill's ages (the age Maggie would be). I'm just curious if any would have went to school together or anything like that. Maybe not. I know she was born and raised I think in Collleton County but I can't recall if same town, etc. I am pretty sure she knew Maggie and has referred to it I think. Did Gigi's interview cover any of this? I may have to watch it if I can fit in the time.
I got the impression she knew them well but on the ages, when she mentioned the moonshining, it did strike me her and Alex could be similar ages. I was just googling about moonshining and will post the link I found so far about that.

Interesting thought about her actions causing the jury tampering allegations.

ETA both her and Alex are 55. Maggie would have been 54, if she had not been murdered.
 
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And, as Poot threatened, are jurors going to be called in for this to testify, all of them?

It says she is working to do a media order and accommodate such needs or some such. Can we hope this will be live?
It says it is a merits hearing. Not sure what that is but I guess it is like a pre hearing to discuss the merits of the claim, prior to the main hearing.
 
I got the impression she knew them well but on the ages, when she mentioned the moonshining, it did strike me her and Alex could be similar ages. I was just googling about moonshining and will post the link I found so far about that.

Interesting thought about her actions causing the jury tampering allegations.

ETA both her and Alex are 55. Maggie would have been 54, if she had not been murdered.
Something just tickles with this, an instinct. Not sure why. I thought they were the same age or thereabouts. I feel almost like there is something personal there in the past with Alex or something...I have from the start. I don't know how to explain it other than just some instinct... It tickles and has from the startt. No real reason, just inner gut instinct.

If she is so taken by fame and glory and money, would she not have been the type to shine up to someone like Alex...

This is small town. Did they date in high school? Did they have an affair at some point in later years? Again I have no reason just a feeling. I should tell you about our courthouse and people, it isn't an uncommon thing. For those that want power either.

I don't know. I know there is no reason or evidence of such, but I almost feel she was a woman scorned or dumped... I'm not sure the book is all of it, I almost think the book and wanting a verdict against him was due to something else.... Although like I said I have also entertained she did this so he WOULD have a claim and chance.

I know that sounds a bit crazy but these cases and the connections to high up and the power and fall, etc. would take quite the plan with the public attention to find a way out for alex...It would also have to be a plan watchers/the public couldn't just think clearly the judge was a paid pocket judge... it would have to be better than that by far.

With her, I'm unsure. But I have no doubt there are people worried if Alex would turn on them that will help him out with power, etc. I mean it isn't probably on the same scale but this is just like a mini version of Epstein. All sit there worried their antics will become known...

I realize I am talking MAYBE two different things. Hill and a plan to get help for Alex, a bigger plan...

But I am telling you there is something here.... My radar just goes nuts with it... All of it, all the stuff. To this day, the lack of case Poot and partner put on... Then the jury tampering. Then the aim of new trial. And new judge. I feel like I am watching something planned...
 
Something just tickles with this, an instinct. Not sure why. I thought they were the same age or thereabouts. I feel almost like there is something personal there in the past with Alex or something...I have from the start. I don't know how to explain it other than just some instinct... It tickles and has from the startt. No real reason, just inner gut instinct.

If she is so taken by fame and glory and money, would she not have been the type to shine up to someone like Alex...

This is small town. Did they date in high school? Did they have an affair at some point in later years? Again I have no reason just a feeling. I should tell you about our courthouse and people, it isn't an uncommon thing. For those that want power either.

I don't know. I know there is no reason or evidence of such, but I almost feel she was a woman scorned or dumped... I'm not sure the book is all of it, I almost think the book and wanting a verdict against him was due to something else.... Although like I said I have also entertained she did this so he WOULD have a claim and chance.

I know that sounds a bit crazy but these cases and the connections to high up and the power and fall, etc. would take quite the plan with the public attention to find a way out for alex...It would also have to be a plan watchers/the public couldn't just think clearly the judge was a paid pocket judge... it would have to be better than that by far.

With her, I'm unsure. But I have no doubt there are people worried if Alex would turn on them that will help him out with power, etc. I mean it isn't probably on the same scale but this is just like a mini version of Epstein. All sit there worried their antics will become known...

I realize I am talking MAYBE two different things. Hill and a plan to get help for Alex, a bigger plan...

But I am telling you there is something here.... My radar just goes nuts with it... All of it, all the stuff. To this day, the lack of case Poot and partner put on... Then the jury tampering. Then the aim of new trial. And new judge. I feel like I am watching something planned...
I know what you mean. As just one example, it seemed to me they hardly challenged all the phone evidence and the murder timings themselves. That would sure be some weird crap if it were the case.
 
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I wondered what happened to this public corruption investigation?

Link below



Plus this -


I think I have found a connection between the clerk's former employer, Judge Buckner, and the Murdaughs, via PMPED. I will find the link about that.

Basically the judge sold his firm to PMPED when he became a judge.


"After the state legislature elected Perry M. Buckner to a state judgeship in 2000, Parker’s firm bought Buckner’s firm, building and all, for an undisclosed amount. In January Parker hired Gerald C. Smoak Sr., who had served for ten years (until last year) as a state judge and had presided over several of Parker’s cases.

Does any of this give Parker an edge in the courtroom? Perish the thought. As Parker says, defense lawyers can always request a change in venue or ask that the judge recuse himself. “We don’t live in a world where people don’t have relationships,” he says."
 
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I know what you mean. As just one example, they hardly challenged all the phone evidence and the murder timings themselves. That would sure be some weird crap if it were the case.
Right?! It's just odd. Poot is going all out now with the jury tampering and the PC he held and since and went to CRIME CON for goodness sakes but he did litttle during trial. Almost like he KNEW it was just the dress rehearsal... Your point about the phone and times make a great point too. Alex testified and bombed. They got to see all evidence and witnesses saying over and over and over that it was Alex's voice on Paul's recording. I haven't really voiced it before but it just didn't feel right. I felt because of that when the tampering thing came out it was a plan and he knew prior this happened or that he was going to do this and that is a big NO NO. Something is OFF and has been.

Now one can take Daybell and Arichbald did little for Lori or fought hard either. But in that case Lori would not LET him blame Chad, Alex or use mental health of her, etc. We know darned well Alex is NOTHING like that and would want an all out win and fight and freedom. UNLESS this has all been a plan, strategy and known...

Even Eric Bland who has things to say about Poot has said he is a top lawyer so why didn't we see it at trial...? He did little to nothing. I think they knew and also knew if lost that they had to find a way or wait until Newman gone... I think Alex knew too. If they lucked out, great but if not, it was just the dress rehearsal....

I'm glad you see what I mean as I know it sounds out there....

But we are talking major corruption here for years on end and such an area (not all but clearly many)...

So he does little to nothing at trial but then gets out there with his nice car on dirt roads pounding on juror's doors...

It doesn't fit, it doesn't click, it doesn't fly with me...

Becky Hill aside, that is separate and aside if not related but that isn't the only crooked thing going on here... Imo.

Like I said, just an instinct. A tickle, a nag, a feeling I can't shake...

We have defense attorneys going to town these days and going overboard even but not Poot.... Of course they had the whole TV show thing..... Maybe it was meant to be a longer story with jail cell pics and the sneaking of info through Poot...

Something is WRONG here!
 
This is directly from wiki and it discusses the 14th circuit district history.

14th Districtedit

A map showing the judicial circuit districts of South Carolina
From 1920 to 2006, three members of the Murdaugh family served as the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th circuit solicitors for the five-county area of South Carolina's Lowcountry region within the 14th Judicial district;[2][3] the Murdaugh's influence in the area led to it being colloquially known as "Murdaugh Country."[4] In South Carolina, the solicitor, analogous to the district attorney in other U.S. jurisdictions, is in charge of prosecuting all criminal cases in the jurisdiction.[5] The 14th circuit district oversees Allendale, Colleton, Hampton, Beaufort, and Jasper counties. It is the only judicial circuit in the state to cover five counties.[6] According to columnist Kathleen Parker, jurisdiction of the 14th circuit district was known as "Murdaugh Country", where the justice system of the 14th circuit district was regarded as rigged and local attorneys would make a motion to settle a case rather than go to trial there.[4]

The Murdaugh family was one of South Carolina's most prominent legal families for nearly a century and were featured in the cover story for a 1989 issue of Carolina Lawyer magazine.[7][8] Because of the family's decades-long control of the office of solicitor, they wielded enormous judicial and political power for almost a century.[9] After several Murdaugh family members were implicated in a fatal boating accident in 2019, and after two family members were murdered in a double homicide in 2021, the family's influence on the local judicial system was scrutinized.[10]

Family law firmedit

The Murdaugh family law firm, formerly known as Peters Murdaugh Parker Eltzroth & Detrick (PMPED), specialized in personal injury litigation. PMPED built its success in the early 2000s due to a state law that made it easier for plaintiffs to forum shop. The law permitted South Carolina residents "to file a suit in any county in which an out-of-state company own[ed] property and conduct[ed] business—regardless of where an accident took place."[11] In Hampton County, trial judges generally avoided transferring cases, and plaintiffs' attorneys had a reputation for abusing subpoena power. This legal climate led to the 14th circuit district being named the third worst "judicial hellhole for defendants" by the American Tort Reform Association.[12] Because of PMPED's success in suing CSX Transportation, the county was known as a "site of pilgrimage" for those with personal injury lawsuits against railroads; PMPED's offices became known locally as "the house that CSX built".[9] Due to the firm's activities, doing business in Hampton County became a legal liability, resulting in the county losing potential employers.[11]

Reforms enacted in 2005 by both the state supreme court and state legislature changed South Carolina's corporate venue law, ending plaintiffs' ability to easily forum shop in Hampton County.[13] PMPED changed its name to The Parker Law Group in 2022 shortly before Alex Murdaugh's murder trial.[14]
 
If Alex didn't murder Maggie and Paul, then who did though? I am almost thinking they didn't put up a fight because the murders and conviction gained him much sympathy and it made the financial crimes easier to settle in the aftermath of that conviction.
 
This is directly from wiki and it discusses the 14th circuit district history.

14th Districtedit

A map showing the judicial circuit districts of South Carolina
From 1920 to 2006, three members of the Murdaugh family served as the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th circuit solicitors for the five-county area of South Carolina's Lowcountry region within the 14th Judicial district;[2][3] the Murdaugh's influence in the area led to it being colloquially known as "Murdaugh Country."[4] In South Carolina, the solicitor, analogous to the district attorney in other U.S. jurisdictions, is in charge of prosecuting all criminal cases in the jurisdiction.[5] The 14th circuit district oversees Allendale, Colleton, Hampton, Beaufort, and Jasper counties. It is the only judicial circuit in the state to cover five counties.[6] According to columnist Kathleen Parker, jurisdiction of the 14th circuit district was known as "Murdaugh Country", where the justice system of the 14th circuit district was regarded as rigged and local attorneys would make a motion to settle a case rather than go to trial there.[4]

The Murdaugh family was one of South Carolina's most prominent legal families for nearly a century and were featured in the cover story for a 1989 issue of Carolina Lawyer magazine.[7][8] Because of the family's decades-long control of the office of solicitor, they wielded enormous judicial and political power for almost a century.[9] After several Murdaugh family members were implicated in a fatal boating accident in 2019, and after two family members were murdered in a double homicide in 2021, the family's influence on the local judicial system was scrutinized.[10]

Family law firmedit

The Murdaugh family law firm, formerly known as Peters Murdaugh Parker Eltzroth & Detrick (PMPED), specialized in personal injury litigation. PMPED built its success in the early 2000s due to a state law that made it easier for plaintiffs to forum shop. The law permitted South Carolina residents "to file a suit in any county in which an out-of-state company own[ed] property and conduct[ed] business—regardless of where an accident took place."[11] In Hampton County, trial judges generally avoided transferring cases, and plaintiffs' attorneys had a reputation for abusing subpoena power. This legal climate led to the 14th circuit district being named the third worst "judicial hellhole for defendants" by the American Tort Reform Association.[12] Because of PMPED's success in suing CSX Transportation, the county was known as a "site of pilgrimage" for those with personal injury lawsuits against railroads; PMPED's offices became known locally as "the house that CSX built".[9] Due to the firm's activities, doing business in Hampton County became a legal liability, resulting in the county losing potential employers.[11]

Reforms enacted in 2005 by both the state supreme court and state legislature changed South Carolina's corporate venue law, ending plaintiffs' ability to easily forum shop in Hampton County.[13] PMPED changed its name to The Parker Law Group in 2022 shortly before Alex Murdaugh's murder trial.[14]
This is something. it isn't really a surprise but it really puts it in words how bad and rigged it has been in this area forever. And it shows what I think and have thought all along , that they haven't even touched the surface of the corruption there and Alex's partners and such are not innocents either imo. So long I'm sure as the money was pouring in.... No one could have a fair case on either side in these counties unless it was what the POWERS wanted and profited from.

It is soooo disgusting such could go on. This runs deep and long and way higher up imo. Like I said different but kind of like Epstein. When the provider of all goes down and one had anything to do with him or was "gifted" by him, all the others try to hide and worry the big fish will turn on them to cut deals... OR just as likely he will call in favors for things owed to him or known by him...

This puts into good perspective how bad this was and has been for decades on end. We know that but imo have to remember it. It is like the law firm looking all innocent now and AM's brothers, etc. I don't really buy that they all weren't the same or benefited or are as innocent as they try to all look with the way things were there in MURDAUGH county/coiuntry...
 
If Alex didn't murder Maggie and Paul, then who did though? I am almost thinking they didn't put up a fight because the murders and conviction gained him much sympathy and it made the financial crimes easier to settle in the aftermath of that conviction.
Are you asking me or people here generally? Because I have no doubt he killed them. I never have had from day one long before charged or even a hint of such. So if you mean me, I never said he didn't kill them and have never thought otherwise for a single moment. Ever.

Also not sure what you mean by murder conviction gaining sympathy for financial crimes.

I think they got the big conviction and life in prison on murder. Both sides dealing with that. He was facing what, 100 years on financial (exaggeration but a LOT) and defense had many fires to put out. Prosecution had him on the big kahuna crimes of murders. Deal struck saving both more time, money, cases, etc. Also it was thought of course that he was in prison for life on the main conviction. He still will be if things are not corrupt imo... And a fix isn't in the works for a retrial and how that will go... IF there is one.

I don't follow on who murdered them? Alex did. Of COURSE. At least Alex. I see no reason to think anyone helped but i don't exclude it. It was his voice, he lied, etc., etc. and all sooo obvious. Imo it was from the start of hearing about this case...
 
Are you asking me or people here generally? Because I have no doubt he killed them. I never have had from day one long before charged or even a hint of such. So if you mean me, I never said he didn't kill them and have never thought otherwise for a single moment. Ever.

Also not sure what you mean by murder conviction gaining sympathy for financial crimes.

I think they got the big conviction and life in prison on murder. Both sides dealing with that. He was facing what, 100 years on financial (exaggeration but a LOT) and defense had many fires to put out. Prosecution had him on the big kahuna crimes of murders. Deal struck saving both more time, money, cases, etc. Also it was thought of course that he was in prison for life on the main conviction. He still will be if things are not corrupt imo... And a fix isn't in the works for a retrial and how that will go... IF there is one.

I don't follow on who murdered them? Alex did. Of COURSE. At least Alex. I see no reason to think anyone helped but i don't exclude it. It was his voice, he lied, etc., etc. and all sooo obvious. Imo it was from the start of hearing about this case...
What was the motive? Money? Also, the drug angle and the money he was stealing all went to the drug dealers. That angle was never explored fully.

I also don't understand how Alex did not know about the video that Paul took that recorded his and Maggie's voice in the background and why he wouldn't have taken Paul's phone as well as Maggie's and tossed them both. However, just tossing M's phone away nearby wasn't particularly clever either. Neither was lying about being there. Didn't he and his brother find the phone by using the Find My Phone app? If he did murder them, he certainly did some stupid things afterwards.
 
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