PAUL & MAGGIE MURDAUGH: South Carolina vs. Alex Murdaugh for Double Homicide of wife & son *GUILTY*

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This case is being kept pretty quiet, no major details released to speak of (other than it does say there were two different guns used), but no info regarding who found them, who called 911, very little else.

Of interest, the grandfather died just a few days after these murders and it sounds as if he was ill from various articles so probably not unexpected. I think of the typical motives, did grandpa have a big estate? How big in the overall family of grandpa's on down? They sound like a pretty well known family and a powerful one in their state, more on that in the article.


 
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And her attorney said it was nothing to do with the investigation or the ethics or anything like that. Yeah right.
The panel don't believe it either. One said it was a dog and pony show. Another said it was likely to give a week's notice before the deadline for the candidacy on 1st April. Neil Gordon is one of the people on this panel (Becky's coauthor) and said he was interviewed by Sled for two hours about the investigation. It could be misconduct in public office because of her book writing.
Yeah. I'm no fan and she can always put on her game face can't she as just doing what's best for the future and people of Colleton County, such a GOOD HEARTED and self last person. Yeah right. However I think there is rabid stuff and politics going on there and all are sink or swim...

PART of me wonders about a lot more than that...

She almost helped Alex in a way. The judge over the jury tampering didn't let it go there or make it about her but I have to wonder sometimes.

At heart though her entire book and she was in such a special position thing I think is more likely.

I think there is so much corruption there yet it isn't even funny from years and decades of it.

@Cousin Dupree Big Bird, I do believe in corruptin on occasion. If it is like some things I've seen, Becky Hill probably did a judge, Alex or Poot at some point in time... Souinds crass but not unusual. But then when one goes down... So many have sh*t on the other...
 

By Dianne Gallagher, Alta Spells and Dakin Andone, CNN, CNNWire
Friday, March 29, 2024 7:06AM

Alex Murdaugh failed a polygraph test administered as part of the plea agreement for the disgraced former attorney's raft of financial crimes, violating the deal, which required his truthfulness, federal prosecutors said in a court filing Tuesday.

As a result, the US Attorney's Office for the District of South Carolina is asking a court to release the federal government from the terms of that agreement, freeing prosecutors from their obligation to recommend Murdaugh serve a federal prison sentence concurrent with one imposed in state court for similar crimes.

Murdaugh "denies the allegation" that he breached the plea agreement, his attorneys said in their own filing Thursday opposing a request by prosecutors that the court seal the polygraph examination report.

"To allow the Government to publicly accuse Murdaugh of breaching his plea agreement while also allowing the Government to hide all purported evidence supporting that accusation from the public would violate the public's right to the truth," their response says.

Murdaugh attorneys, who claimed the polygraph examiner engaged in "odd conduct" before administering an exam, asked the judge to deny or delay ruling to hold Murdaugh in breach of his plea agreement until the polygraph charts are provided to him, according to a sentencing memorandum filed Thursday afternoon.

CNN has requested comment from Murdaugh's lawyers and the prosecutor's office.
 

By Dianne Gallagher, Alta Spells and Dakin Andone, CNN, CNNWire
Friday, March 29, 2024 7:06AM

Alex Murdaugh failed a polygraph test administered as part of the plea agreement for the disgraced former attorney's raft of financial crimes, violating the deal, which required his truthfulness, federal prosecutors said in a court filing Tuesday.

As a result, the US Attorney's Office for the District of South Carolina is asking a court to release the federal government from the terms of that agreement, freeing prosecutors from their obligation to recommend Murdaugh serve a federal prison sentence concurrent with one imposed in state court for similar crimes.

Murdaugh "denies the allegation" that he breached the plea agreement, his attorneys said in their own filing Thursday opposing a request by prosecutors that the court seal the polygraph examination report.

"To allow the Government to publicly accuse Murdaugh of breaching his plea agreement while also allowing the Government to hide all purported evidence supporting that accusation from the public would violate the public's right to the truth," their response says.

Murdaugh attorneys, who claimed the polygraph examiner engaged in "odd conduct" before administering an exam, asked the judge to deny or delay ruling to hold Murdaugh in breach of his plea agreement until the polygraph charts are provided to him, according to a sentencing memorandum filed Thursday afternoon.

CNN has requested comment from Murdaugh's lawyers and the prosecutor's office.
Oh BOY, Alex is in big trouble now and likely to lose his deal.

I do agree they should have to provide the failed polygraph of course and I can't understand why the prosecution would ask it be sealed. It certainly should be provided to Murdaugh but not if he is going to use it to study for his next one lol. Perhaps there is a reason they want it sealed but can't see what it would be?

Defenses claim the examiner was acting odd or anything else I highly doubt. They always have an excuse for him and it's usually to blame someone else. How would that affect Alex's truthfulness or failure anyhow? Or are they trying to claim the examiner faked the polygraph results? Give me a break Poot. I see no need to frame him, they have Alex on so many things dead to rights it iisn't even funny. Why would they have made a deal to begin with if that was their intent? i'm sure he failed it and so the deal should be broken as he did not abide by the terms.

We saw him on the stand, this man doesn't tell the truth and I doubt he did in this polygraph. Imo his way in life was to lie, swindle, scam, manipulate and so on. All for his own indulgence in having all he wanted at the expense of others.
 
Oh BOY, Alex is in big trouble now and likely to lose his deal.

I do agree they should have to provide the failed polygraph of course and I can't understand why the prosecution would ask it be sealed. It certainly should be provided to Murdaugh but not if he is going to use it to study for his next one lol. Perhaps there is a reason they want it sealed but can't see what it would be?

Defenses claim the examiner was acting odd or anything else I highly doubt. They always have an excuse for him and it's usually to blame someone else. How would that affect Alex's truthfulness or failure anyhow? Or are they trying to claim the examiner faked the polygraph results? Give me a break Poot. I see no need to frame him, they have Alex on so many things dead to rights it iisn't even funny. Why would they have made a deal to begin with if that was their intent? i'm sure he failed it and so the deal should be broken as he did not abide by the terms.

We saw him on the stand, this man doesn't tell the truth and I doubt he did in this polygraph. Imo his way in life was to lie, swindle, scam, manipulate and so on. All for his own indulgence in having all he wanted at the expense of others.
Maybe they asked him about his claim about not being at the kennels that night.

However, he did take the poly. As they are usually not allowed in court, I am not sure how this will now play out.
 
Maybe they asked him about his claim about not being at the kennels that night.

However, he did take the poly. As they are usually not allowed in court, I am not sure how this will now play out.

The deal he brokered allowed for a polygraph. It won't be changed. He agreed to it.
 

By Dianne Gallagher, Alta Spells and Dakin Andone, CNN, CNNWire
Friday, March 29, 2024 7:06AM

Alex Murdaugh failed a polygraph test administered as part of the plea agreement for the disgraced former attorney's raft of financial crimes, violating the deal, which required his truthfulness, federal prosecutors said in a court filing Tuesday.

As a result, the US Attorney's Office for the District of South Carolina is asking a court to release the federal government from the terms of that agreement, freeing prosecutors from their obligation to recommend Murdaugh serve a federal prison sentence concurrent with one imposed in state court for similar crimes.

Murdaugh "denies the allegation" that he breached the plea agreement, his attorneys said in their own filing Thursday opposing a request by prosecutors that the court seal the polygraph examination report.

"To allow the Government to publicly accuse Murdaugh of breaching his plea agreement while also allowing the Government to hide all purported evidence supporting that accusation from the public would violate the public's right to the truth," their response says.

Murdaugh attorneys, who claimed the polygraph examiner engaged in "odd conduct" before administering an exam, asked the judge to deny or delay ruling to hold Murdaugh in breach of his plea agreement until the polygraph charts are provided to him, according to a sentencing memorandum filed Thursday afternoon.

CNN has requested comment from Murdaugh's lawyers and the prosecutor's office.

Sucks being treated like a nobody.
 
Maybe they asked him about his claim about not being at the kennels that night.

However, he did take the poly. As they are usually not allowed in court, I am not sure how this will now play out.
I thought this poly related to the financials and that deal and not the murders? Or is it to all?

They aren't admissible by general rule in court but this was an agreement. And polys can be brought into court if both sides agree is something I know that maybe not all do. They just can't be used by one side and be brought in as evidence.

I don't think it will play into if allowed in court at all. This was the agreement for his deal, that he tell the truth and pass one and he agreed to it. Whether admissible in a case of guilt and trial I think is moot, it is not what is going on here imo. This is about failing part of the agreement for the deal struck. Not whether it would be admissible at a trial for such charges is the best way I can explain it. Unless of course he agreed to that too lol.
 
The deal he brokered allowed for a polygraph. It won't be changed. He agreed to it.
hate to do it but think I agree if you mean that he agreed to be truthful in one. and he wasn't. failed the poly, deal done, deal broken, done deal. you're open for prosecution now Alex on all of it because you did not abide by the terms.
 
I thought this poly related to the financials and that deal and not the murders? Or is it to all?

They aren't admissible by general rule in court but this was an agreement. And polys can be brought into court if both sides agree is something I know that maybe not all do. They just can't be used by one side and be brought in as evidence.

I don't think it will play into if allowed in court at all. This was the agreement for his deal, that he tell the truth and pass one and he agreed to it. Whether admissible in a case of guilt and trial I think is moot, it is not what is going on here imo. This is about failing part of the agreement for the deal struck. Not whether it would be admissible at a trial for such charges is the best way I can explain it. Unless of course he agreed to that too lol.
Then they are going to have to release all the details IMO.

The case refers to the financial charges but I am assuming they could ask him questions in the poly about anything including the murders right? Maybe the questions were only related to financials - we won't know as it is currently sealed right?
 
Then they are going to have to release all the details IMO.

The case refers to the financial charges but I am assuming they could ask him questions in the poly about anything including the murders right? Maybe the questions were only related to financials - we won't know as it is currently sealed right?
Well I'm no legal eagle but I'd think the scope was the financials. Would he agree to otherwise or Poot and I don't know what law is and I suppose they can agree to anything but this was to make a deal on all the major financial sh*t so I'd assume (right or wrong) it was limited to that. It is not like he made such a deal on the murders... I guess maybe they could ask something depending on terms agreed to, "did Maggie know you were doing this financial fraud or come to find out?" I doubt that though too.

I'm guessing the agreed on poly was just what it was, to make deal on the financial fraud and he agreed to poly on it. Seems likely and bringing in the other things like wife and son's murder and so forth was probably off the table. Unless of course he himself brought such up in the poly.

We don't know since sealed of course as you say. Just my guess with all. If you had your house burn down and you made a deal to Poly on you didnt' set the fire to get off of arson charges, would it be okay if your lover of best friend died when you were with them and you were a suspect and it was deemed suspicoiu, would you agree to that ?I also think it would be fraught with issues for the other side.

I doubt anything was agreed to but the financials. Unless they could slip one in like "Maggie found out that day didnt' she and you knew that was it and you had to kill her" that you'd been stealing from the firm, defrauding people, etc.

But no, I am going to guess the scope was limitd BUT Alex and his attorneys were also desperate trying to handle all and put out this fire and that fire and murder trial was first so maybe they did, to put this one in abeyance, agree to anything for that moment and fix it later...

Tirrreed. not sure I'm making sense but even IF they agreed to any questions, I think issues could be made unfortunately over if t all was not related to these cimes versus the murders. An agreement should stand if they were dumb enough to do so but in this day and age I can see a judge saying this was a deal over the financials only.

Am I making any sense? I'm not sure lol.

I also think the missing 6 mill plays in here. LIke you I'm sure I'd like to see what the question/s was/were he failed though.
 
Well I'm no legal eagle but I'd think the scope was the financials. Would he agree to otherwise or Poot and I don't know what law is and I suppose they can agree to anything but this was to make a deal on all the major financial sh*t so I'd assume (right or wrong) it was limited to that. It is not like he made such a deal on the murders... I guess maybe they could ask something depending on terms agreed to, "did Maggie know you were doing this financial fraud or come to find out?" I doubt that though too.

I'm guessing the agreed on poly was just what it was, to make deal on the financial fraud and he agreed to poly on it. Seems likely and bringing in the other things like wife and son's murder and so forth was probably off the table. Unless of course he himself brought such up in the poly.

We don't know since sealed of course as you say. Just my guess with all. If you had your house burn down and you made a deal to Poly on you didnt' set the fire to get off of arson charges, would it be okay if your lover of best friend died when you were with them and you were a suspect and it was deemed suspicoiu, would you agree to that ?I also think it would be fraught with issues for the other side.

I doubt anything was agreed to but the financials. Unless they could slip one in like "Maggie found out that day didnt' she and you knew that was it and you had to kill her" that you'd been stealing from the firm, defrauding people, etc.

But no, I am going to guess the scope was limitd BUT Alex and his attorneys were also desperate trying to handle all and put out this fire and that fire and murder trial was first so maybe they did, to put this one in abeyance, agree to anything for that moment and fix it later...

Tirrreed. not sure I'm making sense but even IF they agreed to any questions, I think issues could be made unfortunately over if t all was not related to these cimes versus the murders. An agreement should stand if they were dumb enough to do so but in this day and age I can see a judge saying this was a deal over the financials only.

Am I making any sense? I'm not sure lol.

I also think the missing 6 mill plays in here. LIke you I'm sure I'd like to see what the question/s was/were he failed though.
I am wondering why the poly is sealed. Maybe because there are outstanding appeals on all three, Murdaugh, Fleming and Lafitte, plus the outstanding trial on cousin E.

I do think the financials and the murders are linked, in some way other than Murdaugh being the convicted perp in both.
 
Just searched re Cousin E and it looks like he was in hospital seriously ill having dialysis. Also found out other news, Alex's mother died two weeks ago, both according to Reddit.



 
I am wondering why the poly is sealed. Maybe because there are outstanding appeals on all three, Murdaugh, Fleming and Lafitte, plus the outstanding trial on cousin E.

I do think the financials and the murders are linked, in some way other than Murdaugh being the convicted perp in both.
Well of course defense makes it sound as if it should e provided, not sealedl and as if they don't even know what answers failed. IF that's true. Not sure why they'd want that, it makes no sense to me.

I think everything is linked with Alex, he was desperate, but I don't think (but it is just a guess) these things were necessariy dealt with and handled the same. I sure don't know though.

Murder trial was one thing and tried, financials were another. Financials certainly came up in murder trial. If he had not been convicted of the murders I also wonder if they'd have cut a deal on financials.

No idea. I'm just going by how they were separate charges and a deal and also that they were federal charges. Murders were state charges.
 
I am trying to copy the text of the article linked by Summer but having problems at the moment. Ha did it finally.

So there are "hidden assets" and what is this GJ investigation that is going on? Also, what is this about the involvement of "another attorney". And another investigation going on about other attorneys. Plus allegations of criminal activity by others. Very secret squirrel. Sounds like a very weird fishing expedition to me. All mentioned below, taken from the article.

Attorneys claim polygraph examiner displayed 'odd conduct'​

The specifics of the examination, like what Murdaugh was asked and how he responded, are not publicly known.


The government's filing indicates the examination was conducted "on issues related to hidden assets and the involvement of another attorney in Murdaugh's criminal conduct."

In the sentencing memorandum, Murdaugh's attorneys allege that that the government's conduct leading up to the polygraph exam and the agent's conduct during "raises significant concerns as to whether the Government has acted in good faith."

"It appears that the polygrapher designed the relevant question in such a way to ensure that Murdaugh would fail the exam," the attorneys claim in the document.

The examiner displayed "odd conduct during the pre-test interview," including "declaring his belief that Murdaugh is innocent of the murders of his wife and son," Murdaugh's attorneys allege.

Attorneys also say the examiner was "'secretly' confiding" in Murdaugh that he had just returned from performing a polygraph examination related to the murder of Natalee Holloway.


They further allege that the examiner and Murdaugh "argued" over the meaning of the term "hidden assets," which was used in his test question, while contending they believe several of the examiner's questions "run afoul" of the Global Polygraph Network standards for designing polygraph questions.

Prosecutors had proposed a motion to seal the polygraph examination report and four FBI reports about interviews with Murdaugh last year.

All are related to an ongoing grand jury investigation, the motion said, and allegations of criminal activity by other people. Sealing the evidence is necessary to protect the integrity of that investigation, prosecutors argued, noting in a footnote that Murdaugh's attorneys are opposed to sealing the polygraph report.

Murdaugh's attorneys urged the court to deny the motion to seal the evidence in a filing Thursday, arguing prosecutors had not explained why a "less drastic" action, like a redaction of the polygraph and FBI interviews, would not be sufficient, as required by a court rule.

"But most importantly, the Government accuses Murdaugh of breaching his plea agreement and Murdaugh denies the allegation," their filing says. "The public has a right to know the truth of the matter through judicial proceedings that are open and transparent, not closed and sealed."

Murdaugh's attorneys also called into question some of the language used in the government's motion to release them from plea agreement obligations, noting that the "Department of Justice's own policy manual precludes the federal prosecutors from claiming that Murdaugh was lying or being deceptive. Simply put, a polygraph machine does not detect lies."

In a Thursday night filing, federal prosecutors addressed claims by Murdaugh's attorneys that the government miscalculated the total losses and how his previous criminal history should play into sentencing consideration. The prosecutors called both claims "contrary to law and logic."
 
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I'm half listening to something unrelated and glancing at chat and its being said Murdaugh sentencing is tomorrow on the fed crimes.
 
Ok I'm speculating but if Maggie's and Paul's murders were financially motivated eg. Life insurance or assets like Moselle going to Alex, then including questions in the poly about the murders would be relevant. Eg. Did you benefit financially from the deaths of your wife and son?

And there seems to be new stuff coming up about other attorneys and missing millions and an ongoing grand jury investigation into allegations about other people necessitating the sealing of the poly to protect that other investigation. Murdaugh wants redactions not sealing.

Any idea what/who else is being investigated?
 
Here is a Court TV article about the polygraph. This story is just too bizarre to be made up.


Lawyers for Alex Murdaugh said an FBI agent conducting a polygraph test that the agency said the convicted killer flunked asked odd questions and confided he had just examined the notorious Dutch killer of an Alabama teen, throwing the results off.

The name-check of Joran van der Sloot in court papers Thursday is just the latest strange twist in the case of Murdaugh, the disbarred lawyer who is serving a life sentence for murder in the deaths of his wife and son. Murdaugh adamantly denies killing them, while admitting he stole millions from clients and his law firm because of a crippling drug addiction.

alex murdaugh appears in court

FILE – Alex Murdaugh, convicted of killing his wife, Maggie, and younger son, Paul, in June 2021, sits during a hearing on a motion for a retrial, Tuesday, Jan. 16, 2024, at the Richland County Judicial Center in Columbia, S.C. (Tracy Glantz/The State via AP, Pool, File)
The disagreement over the polygraph is taking place in dueling court filings before Murdaugh is scheduled to be sentenced Monday for the thefts in federal court.

Prosecutors said in court papers filed Tuesday that their plea deal to have Murdaugh serve any federal sentence at the same time as his state sentence should be revoked because the polygraph showed Murdaugh wasn’t truthful about where more than $6 million he stole ended up and whether another attorney not yet identified helped him steal from clients and his law firm.

In their response, Murdaugh’s lawyers included court documents from state prosecutors in his murder case who fought against having the defense use polygraph results that said a Murdaugh friend failed his own test when asked if he was involved in killing Murdaugh’s wife and son.

The Murdaugh results were made unreliable by the FBI examiner who just before the exam asked Murdaugh if he could keep a secret, then told him he had just come from Alabama where he tested van der Sloot, who admitted to killing Natalee Holloway in 2005 in Aruba, defense lawyers said.

The examiner also told Murdaugh he believed he didn’t kill his wife and son and asked him a confusing question about hidden assets, the defense said.

“There are legitimate questions as to whether the Government intentionally manipulated the results to void the plea agreement and achieve the prosecutors’ stated desire to ‘ensure that he’s never a free man again’,'” defense lawyers Jim Griffin and Dick Harpootlian wrote.

Murdaugh’s lawyers said they might have more objections to the polygraph but they only learned about the prosecution’s allegations Tuesday and hadn’t had time to get their expert to review the results. They are asking the sentencing judge on Monday to ignore the results.

A pre-sentencing motion filed by prosecutors after the Murdaugh’s brief did not answer the defense’s arguments. The matter will likely be taken up at Monday’s sentencing.

Joran van der Sloot's U.S. booking photo.

Joran van der Sloot’s U.S. booking photo. (Shelby County Jail)
The pre-sentencing report recommends a 17 1/2 to nearly 22-year prison sentence for Murdaugh on the federal charges.

Murdaugh, 55, is already serving life without parole in state prison after a jury found him guilty of murder in the shootings of his wife and younger son. He later pleaded guilty to stealing money from clients and his law firm in state court and was sentenced to 27 years, which South Carolina prosecutors said is an insurance policy to keep him behind bars in case his murder conviction was ever overturned.

The federal case was supposed to be even more insurance, with Murdaugh agreeing to a plea deal so his federal sentence would run at the same time as his state sentences.

Prosecutors now want Murdaugh to face the stiffest sentence possible since the plea agreement was breached and serve his federal sentence at the end of any state sentences.

Each of the 22 counts Murdaugh pleaded guilty to in federal court carries a maximum of 20 years in prison. Some carry a 30-year maximum.

Prosecutors also want to keep secret four statements, including the polygraph, the Murdaugh gave the FBI.

Investigators think Murdaugh is trying to protect an attorney who helped him steal and that his assertion that more than $6 million in the stolen money went to his drug habit is not true. Releasing the statements could damage an ongoing investigation, the U.S. Attorney’s Office said.

Murdaugh’s attorneys want the statements released with agents blacking out any information they don’t want to make public while leaving the bulk of the statements available so people can judge the allegations themselves.

State prosecutors estimated Murdaugh stole more than $12 million from clients by diverting settlement money into his own accounts or stealing from his family law firm.

Investigators said that as Murdaugh’s financial schemes were about to be exposed in June 2021, he decided to kill his wife and son in hopes it would make him a sympathetic figure and draw attention away from the missing money. Paul Murdaugh was shot several times with a shotgun and Maggie Murdaugh was shot several times with a rifle outside the family’s home in Colleton County.

Murdaugh has adamantly denied killing them, even testifying in his own defense against his lawyers’ advice.

Court TV’s Trial Archives: Murdaugh Family Murders (SC v. Alex Murdaugh 2023)

Federal prosecutors said Murdaugh did appear to tell the truth about the roles banker Russell Laffitte and attorney and old college friend Cory Fleming played in helping him steal.

Laffitte was convicted and sentenced to seven years in prison, while Fleming is serving nearly four years behind bars after pleading guilty.
 
I've been polygraphed twice in my life. The first time was when I was around 20 years old for the condition of taking a job. The second time was because merchandise was going missing from the stockroom and they were polygraphing everyone. I passed both.

The way that the lie detector tests I took worked, was like this: The polygrapher would tell you every question he was going to ask ahead of time. This is so there's no misunderstanding.

A question like: Have you ever stolen anything from the store could make someone think accidentally leaving with a pen or something could cause a false positive. So you'd tell the polygrapher one time I forgot to take a pen out of my pocket and never brought it back. So the question would be adjusted to: Other than a pen, have you ever stolen anything from the store.

He went over every question to ensure no false positives would be registered.

Before that I just assumed that they sat you down and plugged you up and asked questions. The way it was done for me makes sense. So I wonder if the way my polygraphs were given is the way all are given. If so then Murdaugh's complaints are baseless. If the polygrapher they used did it without going over questions first, then it would make sense that some false positives could be elicited.
 
My God I don't know where to start and don't have it in me right now to address it all.

Joran has nothing to do with this. And no matter what a polygrapher said, Alex was answering questions on a polygraph truthfully or not.

Of course defense needs time and does not know or can respond fully right now. No surprise there.

I don't see where they would have made or cut a deal or needed assurance he would remain in prison when he was sentenced to more than one life sentence already. Unless they knew a fix was in the works because of Alex's deep connections and people we probably don't even know of who were complicit or worse.

I've said and believed always the drug habit explains nothing as to the amount of $$ and I don't even know that I fully believe there was a drug habit.

Are they talking about a different atty here? A brother? A partner? That law firm is not clear with me, never has been. Not accusing, but not cleared.

Also have said they've hardly scratched the surface of who should go down here. There is a female judge for example who in my opinion should be under fire and gone. And we ONLY know what' been given us...

To me this case is like Epstein and Daybell, they are nowhere close to having indicted everyone who should be in these cases.

Here we go with another drama and probably half the truth if that. There is a battle royale going on here we only know the 1/2 of. Same with Hill and her son, etc. It RUNS DEEP. And don't think for a minute there aren't any politics involved as well and powers against powers.
 
I've been polygraphed twice in my life. The first time was when I was around 20 years old for the condition of taking a job. The second time was because merchandise was going missing from the stockroom and they were polygraphing everyone. I passed both.

The way that the lie detector tests I took worked, was like this: The polygrapher would tell you every question he was going to ask ahead of time. This is so there's no misunderstanding.

A question like: Have you ever stolen anything from the store could make someone think accidentally leaving with a pen or something could cause a false positive. So you'd tell the polygrapher one time I forgot to take a pen out of my pocket and never brought it back. So the question would be adjusted to: Other than a pen, have you ever stolen anything from the store.

He went over every question to ensure no false positives would be registered.

Before that I just assumed that they sat you down and plugged you up and asked questions. The way it was done for me makes sense. So I wonder if the way my polygraphs were given is the way all are given. If so then Murdaugh's complaints are baseless. If the polygrapher they used did it without going over questions first, then it would make sense that some false positives could be elicited.
Wow we are the same age basically and I've never been polygraphed in my life and I can't even imagine such going on even for a job around here, especially 40 years ago. And you've had one twice, both job related???

That being said I know a fair bit about them and have looked into them and real polygraphers a fair amount and yes, I think the normal practice is for questions to be submitted and went through with prior. Your pen example is a good one, I came home with a pen I put in my pocket during the work day as I was using it and it also went back with me the next work day in my pocket. Not intentional and I was not stealing. Normally I carry my own, didn't have it that day and out of habit such goes back in the pocket.

Another good example would be sex and cheating. Did you ever cheat on your wife? One person may feel kissing is cheating and the next may not. So then OTHER than kissing have you ever cheated on your wife Alex? Or did you ever discipline your son harshly? Again one may think harsh is a timeout and another may think only spanking means such. As I understand it, these are why questions are gone through first and either adjusted OR not but then with followup exams zeroing in more on the failed questions and discussing the first gives the reason for the false value. Okay OTHER than a time out or taking his phone away, did you ever harshly discipline your son? If they fail again, their explanation they gave isn't going to fly.

That's how I understand them to work and I'd have a hard time believing the govt. sent in some fly by night polygrapher not being more than adequately qualified.

To Bill Clinton: Did you EVER have sex with Monica? And YES BILL oral sex is sex for the purpose of this exam. Imaginary example.
 

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