UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson killed in Midtown Manhattan by masked gunman in December 2024

Ashley Banfield video reporting directly on Luigi Mangione's prison conditions including porcupine meatballs for dinner but no TV in his cell.

This is hilarious. The prison inmates, who are watching Ashley Banfield live in their cells are shouting answers to the reporter thru the windows.

 
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How Luigi Mangione's legal defence could take shape

Police believe forensic and ballistic evidence ties the suspect to insurance CEO Brian Thompson's killing.
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    • 12 December 2024
Forensic and ballistic evidence that police say ties the accused murderer of healthcare insurance CEO Brian Thompson to the crime scene will make it difficult for his lawyers to mount a defence, former prosecutors and other legal experts say.

Luigi Mangione, 26, was arrested in Pennsylvania on Monday after a days-long, multi-state manhunt ended at a McDonalds in the town of Altoona.

New York authorities say fingerprints and shell casings link him to the crime scene.

His lawyer, Thomas Dickey, earlier told local media he had not "seen any evidence yet" implicating his client.
He said Mr Mangione would plead not guilty to the charges he faces in Pennsylvania, including firearms charges.

In New York, he has been charged with second-degree murder over Mr Thompson's killing and it is not clear how he would plead. He is currently being held in a state prison in Pennsylvania where he is fighting extradition to face that murder charge. The legal battle over his extradition could potentially take more than a month to resolve, officials said.

But legal experts told the BBC that his efforts to contest his extradition to New York are unlikely to be successful. They could, however, provide his defence with a glimpse into the state's evidence against him.

"I don't even know if this is him," his lawyer, Mr Dickey, said in a recent interview with US media outlet NewsNation, referring to images of Mr Thompson's killer.

"We're going to test those waters and give the government a chance to bring some evidence forward," he said.

If he is extradited to New York to face the murder charge, Mitchell Epner, a New York-based lawyer and former prosecutor, told the BBC that there are, broadly, two approaches that Mr Mangione could take if he pleads not guilty.

"Defence number one is 'it wasn't me' and defence number two is 'it was me, but I shouldn't be punished' because of X," he said.

According to New York police, Mr Mangione was found with a gun similar to the murder weapon, a silencer and a fake ID, as well as three handwritten pages which they believe suggest a potential motive.

Mr Epner said that the publicly known evidence so far means denying responsibility is "out the window".

Another New York-based lawyer, criminal defence attorney and Professor Dmitriy Shakhnevich, said Mr Mangione's attorney could also, in theory, argue that an impaired "mental status" makes him unfit to stand trial.

"If a judge makes a determination that he's misunderstanding, or not understanding, what's happening in court, then essentially the case won't go forward," he said.

"He'll be institutionalised for a period of time until he's deemed to be fit, which may be never."

That defence, Mr Shakhnevich added, is different to a plea of insanity, in which his lawyers could argue that "he's not responsible for his actions because of some mental defect".

"That could also deem him not guilty, because you won't satisfy the elements of the offence," he said. "But then again, he doesn't go free. He would be institutionalised for a period, assuming that defence is successful."

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Watch: Luigi Mangione lawyer says he's 'glad' suspect has support
The start of Mr Mangione's legal battles has prompted anonymous donors to chip in thousands of dollars towards his defence through online fundraisers.

It comes as some online have shared support for the suspect and anger at the health insurance industry. The New York City Police Department has also warned some healthcare executives are potentially in danger because of a "hit list" posted online after Mr Thompson's murder.

In a bulletin, the NYPD said several viral posts included the names and salaries of other insurance executives. Mocked-up wanted signs featuring some executives have also been posted in Manhattan.

Mr Mangione allegedly had grievances with the wider industry.

Timothy Gallagher, a former FBI agent and the managing director of Nardello and Co, a global investigations firm, said the current climate means the "threat of a copycat is real".

"There are people out there who have grievances and are observing the amount of press and attention that is being given to the accused," he said.

Mr Gallagher said that there has been an "outpouring of support from dark corners of the internet" for anti-corporate causes.

"I'm afraid that may fuel follow-on attacks," he said.
 
Tresir said:
$75k already raised for LM defence fund. It's only been just over a week.

www.newsweek.com

Luigi Mangione fundraiser gets more than Kohberger victim's family GoFundMe

A fundraiser for Luigi Mangione's legal defense has surpassed funds raised for the family of a University of Idaho murder victim.
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This shows how much people have suffered from insurance companies making poor decisions about their healthcare and this is their way of letting the world know their pain. While Mangione still needs to face the fact that he took a life, he will remain a hero to many. It's a sad sad situation.
 
Kimster said:
This shows how much people have suffered from insurance companies making poor decisions about their healthcare and this is their way of letting the world know their pain. While Mangione still needs to face the fact that he took a life, he will remain a hero to many. It's a sad sad situation.
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I feel bad for his family, and all of the families that suffered from his companies decisions to save money. Paying him millions is more important than anything a patient may have need for.
 
I think we have to separate the murder from the insurance quagmire. He planned a murder specifically and took a life which is against the law. Insurance companies don't plan to take lives but want and need to make a profit or they wouldn't exist. Unfortunately that policy can result in lives lost. But it is healthcare. Lives will still be lost even if medical costs are covered as some things are not fully curable or fixable.
 
Tresir said:
I think we have to separate the murder from the insurance quagmire. He planned a murder specifically and took a life which is against the law. Insurance companies don't plan to take lives but want and need to make a profit or they wouldn't exist. Unfortunately that policy can result in lives lost. But it is healthcare. Lives will still be lost even if medical costs are covered as some things are not fully curable or fixable.
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If you're a billionaire, then nobody can tell you how to spend you're money for health care. You have enough money to cover costs out of pocket with no problem. That disparity shouldn't exist. Nobody should be able to make health care decisions for you, based on costs.

As for making a profit, they NEED to make money, but they shouldn't. Some people have unreasonable ideas of health care and need to be reigned in. The VAST majority don't.

It's an issue in America because of so many lies. The people with the most money to be made from the system are in control.
 
Wow. Just catching up with a few posts. Some seem to oversimplify it a bit.

It is sick when a murderer is glorified. And when he has more donations than some victim's family.

There are TWO very different things here.

If it starts people who often largely stay silent on a discussion and intent to make some difference in the system, that's great so long as they too do not achieve it by cold blooded murder.

The last thing I watched, he was never affected but UHC. So far as anyone knew.

As far as billionaires paying for their own, well this kid was raised very privileged, not a kid but adult kid I mean, would hope all know that.

Saw about the woman last night stupid enough to threaten over the phone, deny, etc.

Real children are seeing this glorified, this murder, and that's SCARY.

For the record, I just read quite a few posts and this is not in response to any particular one.

And also it is so early yet. I suspect we are going to come to find out a few things. There are a lot of questions here yet. Like the one many are asking out there, why did it take mom so long to report him missing, just for one. Also where'd the cash come from he denied was his. All sorts of questions.

I am as disgusted by your systems as anyone and not just healthcare. And the big cat fat in them, and far more problems. The corrupt. Etc.

How did he know where this guy would be?

Anyhow, the things are separate issues. The man murdered in cold blood. Period. Well not convicted yet, so allegedly.

That is not and should never be okay, in any day and age.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
If you're a billionaire, then nobody can tell you how to spend you're money for health care. You have enough money to cover costs out of pocket with no problem. That disparity shouldn't exist. Nobody should be able to make health care decisions for you, based on costs.

As for making a profit, they NEED to make money, but they shouldn't. Some people have unreasonable ideas of health care and need to be reigned in. The VAST majority don't.

It's an issue in America because of so many lies. The people with the most money to be made from the system are in control.
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The health authority where i live is actually government funded, as all are in the UK, but run as a charity. It's not perfect (eg long waiting lists) but is pretty good. You have to pressure your government reps to enable change. You are in control.
 
Tresir said:
The health authority where i live is actually government funded, as all are in the UK, but run as a charity. It's not perfect (eg long waiting lists) but is pretty good. You have to pressure your government reps to enable change. You are in control.
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No one can stick together to demand change these days. Divide and conquer and ignore. Best way I can put it.

Worse is no one says a thing. Apathy? Think they can't change things?

NOW all are saying things of course. Well some.

Anyhow, I don't know how to put it but it's all a lot more complex than that.

Nothing is simplified here, probably intentionally.

Regardless though of the health care thing, he is a murderer, pure and simple. Allegedly.

Not a hero.
 
Tresir said:
Only one thing that the defendant can do in the opinion of the Guardian.

‘Only one viable defense’: how might the CEO murder case play out in court?
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I saw something recently, with a couple of defenses but most agreeing if all evidence is solid, he has no easy out, that's for sure. And those defenses would be a slim shot anyhow... With problems as to if they can even make them fly...

He is toast imo and should be. Although we have seen Ds put up a lot of b.s. over these past few years but in the end, the juries generally get it right.

I haven't read your link, guessing it would be similar to what I've heard as the only possible defenses speculated on by talking heads or expert guests.

Will maybe if get around to it.

Hard to say if we will hear all or when but there is so much more coming in this yet, they've barely scratched the surface. They got a LOT in a few days but much more to come.

To me he is just another garden variety shooter who gunned someone down in cold blood. I suppose conspiracies and all sorts of sh*t are being talked of, I stay away from such. Just a guess and a reason I avoid some kinds of cases.

I mean I guess someone could have put him up to it or influenced but so what if such was even the case.

I do want to know how he knew where and when, and who he was on the phone with although honestly he could have been calling the darned bus station, ordering a to go order who knows... He certainly may claim to be anti capitalist or corporation, but he sure is a hypocrite.

Have they yet find any tie to UHC ever insuring or denying him? Last I've heard, the answer is NO.
 
This was very darned good so linking. And if you are one that also reads chats if you don't make lives, fiery in there a bit too. But not over the top. Just shows the differing opinions that of course have come with this one.

I considered it well worth watching. I didn't catch the entire thing, went in a few minutes after but saw plenty.

This is far from over and far from all known.

very good points though. I don't feel I wasted my watch and i haven't been doing or watching much.
 
GrandmaBear said:
That's what I've heard thus far. How that can be known, unsure, unless LE said as much but that's what all are saying.
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It doesn’t make sense. Well, killing anybody doesn’t make sense anyway, but his whole motive is blown out of the water if they weren’t even his insurer. I also read that his friends said he wasn’t in pain after his back surgery either.
 
Kimster said:
This shows how much people have suffered from insurance companies making poor decisions about their healthcare and this is their way of letting the world know their pain. While Mangione still needs to face the fact that he took a life, he will remain a hero to many. It's a sad sad situation.
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While I am absolutely not happy that he chose to kill this guy at all, nor condoning it, I am glad it has gotten the subject of just how absolutely awful the insurance industry is into discussion. There have already been some subtle changes happening, too. As somebody that has been dealing with UHC for my mom's coverage, I sure do get the outrage. It's ridiculous what hoops you have to hurdle to get some things that they say are covered actually approved and then for them to actually pay for what they say they will. :gaah:
 
Guess Who said:
While I am absolutely not happy that he chose to kill this guy at all, nor condoning it, I am glad it has gotten the subject of just how absolutely awful the insurance industry is into discussion. There have already been some subtle changes happening, too. As somebody that has been dealing with UHC for my mom's coverage, I sure do get the outrage. It's ridiculous what hoops you have to hurdle to get some things that they say are covered actually approved and then for them to actually pay for what they say they will. :gaah:
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Yes, I hear you on this one! I've been screaming about this problem for a long time, but there's been no resolve. I don't know if this death will make any changes, either!
 
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