UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson killed in Midtown Manhattan by masked gunman in December 2024

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Report: SF police sent the FBI a tip about Luigi Mangione before arrest
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FBI confirms S.F. police tip identifying Luigi Mangione was sent to NYPD​

By Megan Cassidy, Michael BarbaUpdated Dec 13, 2024 3:03 p.m.


Suspected shooter Luigi Mangione is led into the Blair County Courthouse for an extradition hearing on Monday, Dec. 10, in Hollidaysburg, Pa.
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The FBI confirmed Friday that San Francisco police recognized Luigi Mangione and contacted the FBI days before he was arrested and charged with murder in the slaying of the UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
The Chronicle reported on Thursday that San Francisco police recognized Mangione days before he was arrested and alerted federal officials. Prior to Friday, the FBI had not previously confirmed that they received the tip from the San Francisco Police Department.
The tip from San Francisco police “regarding the possible identity of the suspect” was received by FBI officials in New York and sent to the New York City Police Department, the FBI said in a statement.
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What happened after New York City police received the tip remains unclear. Officials with the New York Police Department did not respond to requests for comment.
The SFPD’s Special Victims Unit recognized Mangione from a missing-persons case in what may be the first known instance of the suspect being identified to authorities prior to his arrest Monday in Pennsylvania. Mangione’s mother filed the missing person’s report in November.
The report suggested that Mangione’s mother may have believed that her son was working at TrueCar, a car-listings website that had an office in San Francisco. A TrueCar spokesperson said Mangione last worked for the company in 2023, though it was not clear if he worked in the company’s San Francisco location.
Authorities have said that when Mangione was arrested at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pa., he had not previously been on law enforcement’s radar. “This was not a name that was called into us,” New York City Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch told NBC on Tuesday.
A customer at the restaurant called police, believing he had spotted the same person depicted in surveillance images from a New York hostel that showed the shooter’s smiling face. Those images had been made public one day after the Dec. 4 shooting.
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An officer in the SFPD SVU recognized Mangione as the possible suspect on Dec. 5 while probing the missing persons report — apparently after looking at the same surveillance images, which were the only ones released after the shooting that showed Mangione’s face, according to two people familiar with the situation.
Mangione also worked briefly at Stanford University’s Pre-Collegiate Studies program from May to September 2019. He has been charged in New York with murder, unlawful gun possession and other offenses.
Reach Megan Cassidy: megan.cassidy@sfchronicle.com. Reach Michael Barba: michael.barba@sfchronicle.com





Dec 13, 2024|Updated Dec 13, 2024 3:03 p.m.
 
Kimster said:
Especially a dentist! Mom has free dental now and can’t find a dentist who will take it.
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Dental is an entirely different story in this country. Would you agree? So is eye care. I mean these subjects could be subjects in and of themselves. I now have insurance and have dental insurance which is also a joke, and am going through right now will I even be able to keep it or go back to work. They are DEFINITELY all things to yell about and this case certainly got people talking and raising some heck all over out there and I'd be in full support of keeping up the conversation and yelling at politicians about it while we all come together on the b.s. it all is.

However, I'm not sure this guy did what he did for any such reason.

I have dental insurance and it's a joke. We have no eye care coverage.

I totally agree on how absolutely bad the system is and the b.s.

This guy though still is no hero. Lead change, get people that are tired of it together and then make a difference.

I know you weren't saying he was or any such and just talking of how bad it is and it's true. I'm just talking to the entire thing.

If people are upset about something, where were their voices before this? I am getting pretty convinced there was no grudge here, and he had a privileged life, teeth look great.

I guess what I'm trying to say is he shouldn't be associated with changing anything or how to do it.

And again, you didn't say that, but I DO THINK the conversation should go on because I agree totally on the medical, dental and all else nightmare. AND people SHOULD band together on it. But it shouldn't have started just over this or him.

I think his main motive was different than any concern for anyone else. Or even himself.

But to the total subject of healthcare, dental, etc. which again I don't think he caused at all, it just finally got people talking, yes, it is terrible. I think every single one of us would be on the same side of that coin and hardly disagree at all.

And I know you weren't talking him, just the nightmare our system is.

I do think we should disassociate him with it though. And you weren't associating him, it was just about the system.

And that's what is going on everywhere though. Yeah now people are talking of it, but what he did is another thing.

I would hope the conversation continues and upset (without killing) and people join together on at least this problem. Don't let the subject die or the people stop coming together on it.

The entire system is ridiculous. ANd let's all get together as I think ALL agree on this and keep it going. They do divide and conquer and yet most people on some very core subjects and things do agree. But no changes can be made without coming together on one subject.

He just doesn't deserve the credit for that.

I for one don't want THAT conversation to die, we all navigate the freaking stupid mess it all is. I'm dealing with it right now but not going to share all.

I've went on and your post was only about the health care and stuff and I know that.

I'm just jumping from it and saying we all agree on a lot of things and that's what needs to happen in this country, is a coming together and insisting. We all won't agree on other issues necessarily but most agree on some core basic things. Personally it is too far gone imo but no change is going to happen without people doing that. If it even can.

It just should not have taken this guy who probably didn't even have such a motive to get all up in arms.

He shot a man in the back.

I am talking more at the overall thing than to anyone.

Now separately, I agree with every bit of what you said.

And that's the other problem going on here and everywhere, the subjects are very different. He is a killer and not a hero. But the whole healthcare, dental, all else is certainly a conversation that should be had and I think almost everyone would agree on.
 
Tresir said:
If the customer is not happy, why not just change provider? You don't need to commit murder.
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Because it used to be, for one, that if you change ins. companies, the new one will deny anything pre-existing, supposedly that has changed with the ACA/Obamacare but it was and is still a nightmare to even know all the details, and the older, the harder, and you worry about it. I had a boss at a job I was at for twenty years who got cancer, he bet it for awhile, but then died, just as an example, but as office mgr he was constantly telling me don't miss paying that insurance premium for him. This is before ACA. And I am being serious in saying all of this very much deserves upset and attention, it's about time, but the guy in this case is no hero.

And even now, most including myself, don't understand the changes since the ACA and what if anything is safe.

I TOTALLY agree with all on this issue, the only problem I have is with someone killing another now is some hero and now they will speak up.
 
Guess Who said:
Also, if you get sick/injured and can't work for a while, you are very likely to lose your insurance because you can't pay the premiums because you also aren't getting paid at all and can't pay any of your bills. Then you also lose your home but your dr bills are still piling up. You also then run the chance of your Drs or clinics refusing to see you because your previous bills haven't been paid.
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Very true. I agree with every single bit of the health care side, but this man shouldn't have started the conversation who probably had no such motive.
 
I was waiting for the terrorism thing as that's what he is from what I can see.

Also waiting for a first degree murder charge.

I think like many, the whole ins industry could be a totally separate thread. so far imo this man was just looking for attention. he does not need to be the hero for people finally speaking up.

Jmo.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I was waiting for the terrorism thing as that's what he is from what I can see.

Also waiting for a first degree murder charge.

I think like many, the whole ins industry could be a totally separate thread. so far imo this man was just looking for attention. he does not need to be the hero for people finally speaking up.

Jmo.
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How much are healthcare premiums in the US on average? Here we pay a National Insurance premium of around 8% of salary, i think it is, with a low and high earnings cap. I have not been in employment for a long time now, since 2006. Unemployed, retired and children don't pay. That premium during our working life pays for our National Health and State Pension. Our record of contributions is kept by the government and you need 35 years contributions for a full state pension. No health conditions are excluded. Finding a NH dentist is another story however.
 
Tresir said:
How much are healthcare premiums in the US on average? Here we pay a National Insurance premium of around 8% of salary, i think it is, with a low and high earnings cap. I have not been in employment for a long time now, since 2006. Unemployed, retired and children don't pay. That premium during our working life pays for our National Health and State Pension. Our record of contributions is kept by the government and you need 35 years contributions for a full state pension. No health conditions are excluded. Finding a NH dentist is another story however.
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$85 is coming out of my paycheck but of course I don't know how much of it work pays. It was $75 until recently. And that's just to insure myself, one person. Another $5 for dental which is a joke of coverage anyhow. And that's all without how good or bad the coverage is, co pays, etc. It is not for a family, etc. Oh and that is weekly.

It is really apples to oranges to compare it to how it is there. Has nothing to do with pensions.

It truly IS a mess and it is a conversation that should continue.

It would be a long explanation but someone unemployed may not pay in but also may not have any insurance. I went years without insurance and for my kids too.

The whole ACA thing is another mess. And differs state to state.

The retired or older have to deal with the parts A, B and C of Medicare. Each year I believe, someone can correct me if wrong and they still pay.

It's a rabbit hole and I absolutely agree with all going on about it, it is a nightmare.

The only thing I disagree with is giving this guy credit as many are doing. Two very separate things.

I am now in the midst of the quagmire, or might end up there.

My sister 2 years younger has looked at could she do it. The big thing is what insurance would cost. Her hub is older and not in the best of health. And believe me, they are way better off than I but the cost of ins. is what stops her. She has looked into it quite a bit but our state did not take the help with the ACA. (Obamacare).

I am trying not to get carried away here but many a person who could do their own business, that's what always stops them is the health insurance costs or lack of having any if they did. I am pretty sure everyone here would agree, even most where at times we are not on the same page in cases, etc., I DO think most would agree with this.

It is a mess. That's an understatement.

Nothing ever gets done either. I mean both "sides" fight each other and it is the average person who suffers, and pays.

I think I have to leave it at that because it is just too much to explain. I don't think anyone would say even with the ACA that we have national health insurance.

Yet we could all go sideways with the conversation and I hear awful stuff of those that do--Canada, your country, etc.

There are a million directions such can go.

Yeah, dental is another story.

Big pharm another yet.

You know the subject is hot right now but this guy didn't make it that way and is NAH.
 
Tresir said:
How much are healthcare premiums in the US on average? Here we pay a National Insurance premium of around 8% of salary, i think it is, with a low and high earnings cap. I have not been in employment for a long time now, since 2006. Unemployed, retired and children don't pay. That premium during our working life pays for our National Health and State Pension. Our record of contributions is kept by the government and you need 35 years contributions for a full state pension. No health conditions are excluded. Finding a NH dentist is another story however.
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Now that I’m on Medicare, I’m not sure what my employer is paying, but she used to pay about $500/mo for me alone. It’s common for employers to pay the lions share and only charge their employees a portion. Along with that $500 a month, was a $3000 a month deduction. Basically, I couldn’t use it unless I went to the doctor and when I went to the doctor, I think it was $30 a visit.
 
The average premium for single coverage in 2024 is $8,951 per year. The average premium for family coverage is $25,572 per year [Figure 1.1].

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The average annual health insurance premiums in 2024 are $8,951 for single coverage and $25,572 for family coverage. The average single coverage premium increased 6% in 2024 while the average family premium increased 7%. The average family premium has increased 24% since 2019 and 52% since 2014...
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So on average, health insurance premiums are $745 per month or $372 per 2-week paycheck.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
The average premium for single coverage in 2024 is $8,951 per year. The average premium for family coverage is $25,572 per year [Figure 1.1].

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So on average, health insurance premiums are $745 per month or $372 per 2-week paycheck.
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Now let's add deductable to that amount.
 
Guess Who said:
My state calls it HealthNet. It's still Medicaid. So many I know that are on HealthNet refuse to accept that they are on Medicaid. Same with ACA. Many have it, but they refuse to accept it's what they call Obamacare.
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I have a plan now through New Hampshire Medicaid. The plan is Amerihealth Caritas.
I was uninsured for almost 9 years. I only was able to get this because of my car accident and that I can not work. Before this I just flat out could not afford to buy health insurance.... and that's not right.
 
Kimster said:
Now that I’m on Medicare, I’m not sure what my employer is paying, but she used to pay about $500/mo for me alone. It’s common for employers to pay the lions share and only charge their employees a portion. Along with that $500 a month, was a $3000 a month deduction. Basically, I couldn’t use it unless I went to the doctor and when I went to the doctor, I think it was $30 a visit.
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Most employers with FT employees pay a part, and it gets higher and higher imo. It's still a heck of a chunk out of the paycheck and doesn't mean one has great coverage, no co pays, a very large deductible, limits, etc.

My portion just jumped from like $75 a month to $85 per week and that might not sound like much to some but it is. Add to that the SS, Medicare, taxes, etc. I lose a pretty whopping amount out of my paycheck and that's each week.

And I too, it only covers me, one person.

This TRULY is a conversation to keep up and be had but I am in no way convinced some 26 year old knows sh*t about it or that such was his reason.

It is all a total mess, we all know that, health care, taxes, politics, I don't think a person would disagree with that general comment, and more.

We had pretty good insurance through my ex some years ago, then I got a job where mine was better so we switched. Then had to switch back. All before ACA even. And the last I recall we had like a $12K deductible but higher priced all of the time as the employer kept changing it and prices kept increasing.

I have no problem agreeing this is all a huge problem and people should band together about it. People need to agree on the things they do, we never will on all, and yell for lack of a better word.

But this guy doesn't deserve the credit. And it should not have taken him for people to start doing that.

It's the same with anything, like light sentencing, all sorts of sh*t. Imho.
 
Takeitfromme said:
I have a plan now through New Hampshire Medicaid. The plan is Amerihealth Caritas.
I was uninsured for almost 9 years. I only was able to get this because of my car accident and that I can not work. Before this I just flat out could not afford to buy health insurance.... and that's not right.
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I went without any for years and my minor kids as well. I certainly get it.

And it made me, which is sad, not go in or take them in unless required or something was really worrisome or an emergency. Their dad was to carry insurance which I tried to get fixed through the court many a time, but that's another story.

It IS a real problem. And I think this topic really deserves its own thread and it should be continued to be talked about.

The only problem I have is associating any of it with this guy in this case.
 
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