Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

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Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.
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Okay so the DA said there were 7 burner phones in a presser so that's where that comes from. DA is also talking about CB's phone tracking near with four target phones, is he talking the phones of the victims in that case?
 
Not sure really why either attorney is on. A clip from Rodney Harrison (hope I recall name right, the one who left that I wish was still on) said family was shocked, disgusted, embarrassed but also said a lot more to look at as to whether they had any knowledge, etc... Both attorneys basically say their clients had no knowledge but the kids' attorney really gets lengthy and kind of dances around it weirdly, imo. Something on the order of may have seen one piece of something weird but putting that together or thinking more of it over the years not so likely. I am very much paraphrasing. No idea why he even says such. To put it better, sounds to me as IF they did see or find something odd one time, maybe two times over years (again I am saying it this way not him, seems to be what he means with his confusing talk) they wouldn't necessarily correlate it to this or to something bigger.

He'd be smarter to just say no, nothing that they ever connected to something biglike this or some such. Imo.

I guess nothing stops them from being on the show but see no real reason to do so either. It's actually quieter right now re her and the kids and you'd think you'd leave it that way. Just my thinking though. Have to get their press I suppose...
 
Obviously I started it over this morning lol. I had not gotten far last night anyhow and it's not that long but is a work morning so we will see if I finish. Macedonia says that's why the safe was put in, for the weapons. And they did know of them, maybe not the count or exact number but knew of them. Meaning her and the kids...
 
Well I guess I got further last night then I thought as I recall the part about the "modest" house and think I may have commented on it but not sure. Atty. says house of course was torn apart was not always like this and they were displaced basically or refugees in their own home. And that house still has not returned to normal.

I'm sorry but why not? With all this money?? They aren't under any hold, get a dumpster and clear the sh*t out, sell the place, whatever.

Clearly my opinon of at least her is sealed permanently or close to it most likely. Her actions and her profiting did it for me. This self centered woman never once mentioned the victims or their families until not too long ago and way too late and after hearing plenty what people thought of that for months on end. You do not even have to believe your hub is guilty to feel bad for the families of dead women.

Yes, I am very biased towards her but based on her own behavior afterwards and to date.

I'm giving my take... Lol.
 
Wraps up with a bit about Shannon Gilbert and if connected. Nothing new there but makes it clear as has been many times why people have such suspicion because of Burke, not wanting the feds involved, them not getting the answers for her, etc. And WHETHER there is any connection. The one guy had one opinion and Mike King had his usual kind of opinion.

Anyhow, I did finish it and think I gave most of my take here throughout.

I hate having morning shifts. I hate trying to make self get ready when it's still dark outside. I have always been a night owl and at this age know I always will be. This week I have all mornings, and never have I had that before. Thank God this is the earliest one and not that early, at least it's not a 7. Some go in at 5! Makes no sense to me either because almost all I talk to would prefer mornings so give them to them and I'll take the nights for goodness sakes. Sigh. And will only get harder and darker long as we head towards winter.

Resisting getting moving so I managed to watch this video lol. Not that long either really. And I started it over even.

There's a hearing for him this week too right? CB?
 
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I saw some of it but then went down for the count. May or may not manage to finish this morning, shall see.

I did see the part of the lawyer talking of the house mess, his family is just always the victims but victims that have now been handsomely paid, as have both attorneys. Disgusts me as does he if one can tell.

I saw the part about the guns and I think he claimed she had no idea how many and some were his father's and historical or some such.

That's probably about where I left off.

Didn't see the phone part or the Trapeze club and (was that the name of it, thought it was something else?). With regard to the swinging ad, what did her attorney have to say about that? I suppose he wasn't asked?

And did Vinnie say this is "allegedly" there was an ad, because I don't think we ever have had it confirmed to be true.

Did that come from the woman who claimed to be at their house or did John Ray get that from something else? Can't recall. I think herk but then all of her story was mostly that she was "pretty sure" it was them and their house where the ad would have been specifically with their name if you see what I'm saying?

I left the phones for last in this response. Well, he may not have always used burners or even a cell phone of his own. Do we know if had had one all of those years? We've discussed about the times most of us got our first cell phone. Do we know what victims they have the phone data for? Is it all of the ones charged or do we even know? I mean his MO clearly changed with some other things.

How does Vinnie know there were only seven phone? is there some filing that has this info?

You know one thought would be that he didn't use phones for some of the others and that may be why some have not been charged yet, they don't have that extra piece or tie to him... I mean I think he had them when he was doing the Craig's List thing but were some of them simply picked up off the street corner so to speak?? Maybe? Prostitutes are also known to frequent some hotels.

I just looked it up and Craig's List started in 1995. Now that also sure does not mean that CB started using it right away. I certainly probably never had heard of it right away. I'm also unsure of whether they had "personals' ads right from the start. Probably but not sure. I know they shut them down abruptly like in 2018 or some such. (It came up in my qhick search)

I mean he may have had another means, it wasn't unheard of to see personals ads in some newspapers, etc. but my point is he may not have had a phone or been using Craigslist in some years or bought burner phones for all of them and only started that at a certain point in time...?
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You are asking some questions that weren't answered. The whole thing was pretty short. The attorneys were not asked about the later stuff that Vinnie covered. The whole thing is only 22 minutes with the first half just the attorneys. He does not go back to the attorneys.

You are right that he may not have had a cell phone for the earlier murders, like Vergata, so maybe that is why that has not yet been charged. Vinnie does spend a little bit of time on the search that revealed all the remains and just briefly covers the disgraced police chief too - stuff we already knew.
 
There is one they still haven't charged yet right? So that would be number 7 which would maybe match the 7 cell phones. Valerie Mack from 2000 so maybe that is the 7th burner cell phone.
 
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You are asking some questions that weren't answered. The whole thing was pretty short. The attorneys were not asked about the later stuff that Vinnie covered. The whole thing is only 22 minutes with the first half just the attorneys. He does not go back to the attorneys.

You are right that he may not have had a cell phone for the earlier murders, like Vergata, so maybe that is why that has not yet been charged. Vinnie does spend a little bit of time on the search that revealed all the remains and just briefly covers the disgraced police chief too - stuff we already knew.
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Yeah, I did see it all. Was commenting though on some things before I had finished. I think the phone thing yeah, may not have been something he did in earlier years.

The Vergata thing they advertised at the club and very likely (I'm thinking) gave a home number or something...

I am not 100 percent the Vergata story is true, I am at a high probability but we have nothing confirmed yet to date.

You know, if they've been able to confirm it but haven't told the public, I could see another possible reason for not rushing on that one... It would change all they've been saying, that his wife was never present during any of the murders. They maybe don't want to open that can of worms, or get her thinking she's now being looked at, until some certain time... The public of course would go nuts saying she was present for ONE, VERY PRESENT...

They HAVE to know by now if any parts were able to be confirmed and there's much that should be able to be confirmed as we know...
 
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There is one they still haven't charged yet right? So that would be number 7 which would maybe match the 7 cell phones. Valerie Mack from 2000 so maybe that is the 7th burner cell phone.
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That makes sense, that it would be Mack, time frame, the fact there were seven burners, etc...

I think the earlier ones he was probably picking up on the street or in hotels, etc.. PERHAPS. I wonder if they were able to go years back and get like his office phone records even. I mean did prostitutes if on their own more so, or escorts, put their home numbers in the newspapers then or some type of publication....? Just a random thought.

I don't know but I now as has been said before there will likely be stuff coming out about this and him for the next several decades... Look how long it's been with Dennis Rader and new ones were being looked at just this year or last or whenever that as... Etc.

We have one though now that I think about it, dont' we in the charges from the 90s?? You are far better at keeping them straight. That was the first bridge showing he is likely responsible for ALL or at least MOST. Did that one have a burner phone tied in, was it said?
 
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That makes sense, that it would be Mack, time frame, the fact there were seven burners, etc...

I think the earlier ones he was probably picking up on the street or in hotels, etc.. PERHAPS. I wonder if they were able to go years back and get like his office phone records even. I mean did prostitutes if on their own more so, or escorts, put their home numbers in the newspapers then or some type of publication....? Just a random thought.

I don't know but I now as has been said before there will likely be stuff coming out about this and him for the next several decades... Look how long it's been with Dennis Rader and new ones were being looked at just this year or last or whenever that as... Etc.

We have one though now that I think about it, dont' we in the charges from the 90s?? You are far better at keeping them straight. That was the first bridge showing he is likely responsible for ALL or at least MOST. Did that one have a burner phone tied in, was it said?
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Costilla was 1993, so i doubt that had a burner phone as it is a bit too early. Costilla also had a female hair from someone living in the Heuermann house. So there must be an 8th victim if their is still another burner phone. Shannon Gilbert ?

Going back to 1993 and Costilla, he must have been with his first wife then, the one who divorced him for his liking of Craig's list escorts.
 
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Costilla was 1993, so i doubt that had a burner phone as it is a bit too early. Costills also had a female hair from someone living in the Heuermann house. So there must be an 8th victim if their is still another burner phone. Shannon Gilbert ?

Going back to 1993 and Costilla, he must have been with his first wife then, the one who divorced him for his liking of Craig's list escorts.
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Interesting... I think hairs and/or phones have a lot to do with their charging, to tie him by one, the other, or both... So far anyhow... One or the other is that piece of proof that ties him...?
 
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Ok I have found a link that has the 37 page bail application in it and also has the detail of the female hair found on Costilla. Not sure if this was posted before.

"The court document detailed how a female hair found on Costilla's mutilated body “share a common base at all compared positions" to a witness who once lived at Heuermann's residence in Massapequa."

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Gilgo Beach serial killer murder planning doc found among torture porn

Alleged Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann kept decades of torture porn among a murder-planning Word Document, according to his bail application.
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I posted a link upthread about this but never posted the content so am putting the link to the post above. It includes the 37 page bail application, which I haven't ever read, but it may have some extra details, we have not seen before.

From that prior link-

"The New York City architect arrested last year in connection with a string of cold case bodies found on Long Island's Gilgo Beach has been charged with murder in the deaths of two more victims, according to a superseding bail application.

Sandra Costilla, 28, was allegedly murdered by Rex Heuermann in the fall of 1993, investigators say. She was a native of Trinidad and Tobago but had been living in New York when she disappeared around November. Two hunters found Costilla's body in a wooded area of Southampton, the bail application detailed. She had not been named until Thursday but she would have been the earliest known victim of the alleged serial killer.

The court document detailed how a female hair found on Costilla's mutilated body “share a common base at all compared positions" to a witness who once lived at Heuermann's residence in Massapequa.


The other alleged victim of the 59-year-old is Jessica Taylor. Parts of her remains were found in the vicinity of Mill Road in July 2003 and again in March 2011.
Following Heuermann's arrest, investigators searched his residence numerous times and discovered over 350 electronic devices that contained a "significant collection" of violent pornography dating back to 1994, according to the bail application. The obscene images allegedly accessed by Heuermann notably coincided with how the remains of Costilla, Taylor and another young woman, Valerie Mack, were discovered.Heuermann has not been charged with Mack's murder. So far, he's accused of killing six women, including Maureen Brainard-Barnes in 2007, Melissa Barthelemy in 2009, Megan Waterman in 2010 and Amber Costello in 2010.

See the timeline of the investigation here.


Among electronic data being combed through by investigators, they found a Word Document apparently dated back to the year 2000. It appears to be the alleged serial killer's planning document that listed "PROBLEMS" he is expected to run into, "SUPPLIES" to commit the murders, and a "DS" column that listed Mill Road as a possible dumpster site."

(to see the bail application and the original working links, click on the link to original post above)
 
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I have copied and pasted the specifics of the identifying DNA mentioned beginning on page 19 and onwards for the victims. They really have him by the short and curlies on these 6 victims. See below.

Page 19 conclusion that Defendant Heuermann is the individual who murdered, stripped, restrained, and transported the remains of Jessica Taylor and Sandra Costilla, as well as the Gilgo Four, until they were each discovered in 1993, 2003, 2010, and 2011.

VICTIM DESIGNATION IN BAIL LETTER APPROX. LOCATION OF HAIR RECOVERY MITOCHONDRIAL DNA RESULTS NUCLEAR (SNP)

DNA RESULTS SANDRA COSTILLA MALE HAIR ON COSTILLA TAPE-LIFT OF STRIPED SHIRT ABOVE VICTIM’S HEAD 99.96% of North American population can be excluded but not REX HEUERMANN 4.347 x 10332 Times More Likely to Come From An Individual with the Identical Genetic Profile as REX HEUERMANN

SANDRA COSTILLA FEMALE HAIR ON COSTILLA VICTIM’S RIGHT ARM 99.98% of North American population can be excluded but not WITNESS 3 4.578 x 101040 Times More Likely to Come From An Individual with the Identical Genetic Profile as WITNESS 3

JESSICA TAYLOR MALE HAIR UNDERNEATH TAYLOR ON SURGICAL DRAPE UNDERNEATH VICTIM 99.96% of North American population can be excluded but not REX HEUERMANN 1.837 x 10603 Times More Likely to Come From An Individual with the Identical Genetic Profile as REX HEUERMANN

MAUREEN BRAINARD BARNES FEMALE HAIR ON BARNES BUCKLE OF BELT RESTRAINING LOWER BODY N/A 7.9 Trillion Times More Likely to Come From An Individual with the Identical Genetic Profile as ASA ELLERUP

MEGAN WATERMAN [FIRST OF] TWO FEMALE HAIRS ON WATERMAN OUTSIDE HEAD AREA 99.69% of North American population can be excluded but not ASA ELLERUP or VICTORIA HEUERMANN 2.374 x 1048 Times More Likely to Come From An Individual with the Identical Genetic Profile as ASA ELLERUP

MEGAN WATERMAN [SECOND OF] TWO FEMALE HAIRS ON WATERMAN TAPE IN THE AREA OF THE HEAD N/A 2.778 x 10480 Times More Likely to Come From An Individual with the Identical Genetic Profile as ASA ELLERUP

MEGAN WATERMAN MALE HAIR ON WATERMAN BOTTOM PORTION OF BURLAP 99.96% of North American population can be excluded but not REX HEUERMANN 1.408 x 10169 Times More Likely to Come From An Individual with the Identical Genetic Profile as REX HEUERMANN

AMBER COSTELLO FEMALE HAIR ON COSTELLO TAPE IN THE AREA OF THE HEAD 99.98% of North American population can be excluded but not ASA ELLERUP or VICTORIA HEUERMANN 4.654 x 1063 Times More Likely to Come From An Individual with the Identical Genetic Profile as VICTORIA HEUERMANN

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Heuermann’s Unfettered Access to TARGET RESIDENCE during the disappearance and murder of Ms. Sandra Costilla As noted supra, based on post-arrest interviews with witnesses, the Gilgo Homicide Task Force has learned that WITNESS 3 and Defendant Heuermann began living together at TARGET RESIDENCE in 1991. In September 1993, approximately two months before Ms. Costilla’s disappearance and murder, WITNESS 3 moved out of TARGET RESIDENCE. Prior to WITNESS 3 leaving TARGET RESIDENCE, Heuermann’s mother had moved out of TARGET RESIDENCE. Based on the foregoing, neither Heuermann’s mother, nor WITNESS 3 were living at TARGET RESIDENCE during the time of Sandra Costilla’s murder. Accordingly, the murders of all four charged victims, and now the murders of Ms. Taylor and Ms. Costilla, occurred at times when Defendant Heuermann would have had unfettered time to execute his plans for each victim without any fear that his family or others residing at TARGET RESIDENCE would uncover or learn of his involvement in these crimes.

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(Female hair found on 3, male hair found on 3. )

Summary of DNA testing on hairs found on victims :-

(Only Barthelemy has nothing about DNA.)

Costilla - Male and female hairs found. RH and Witness 3 cannot be excluded.

Taylor - Male hair found. RH cannot be excluded.

Brainard-Barnes -Female hair found more likely to be from AE.

Waterman - Male hair found more likely to be from RH.

Costello - Female hair found. AE and VH cannot be excluded more likely from VH.
 
Tresir said:
(Female hair found on 3, male hair found on 3. )

Summary of DNA testing on hairs found on victims :-

(Only Barthelemy has nothing about DNA.)

Costilla - Male and female hairs found. RH and Witness 3 cannot be excluded.

Taylor - Male hair found. RH cannot be excluded.

Brainard-Barnes -Female hair found more likely to be from AE.

Waterman - Male hair found more likely to be from RH.

Costello - Female hair found. AE and VH cannot be excluded more likely from VH.
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Yeah, I didn't think his DNA was found on all of them and figured the link was Asa with some, or thought I recalled such anyhow.

They must have some other solid tie with Barhelemy I'm guessing, maybe phone records or something?

So with five of the six, there is a hair or more than one from the Heuerman family which is very damning.

Why are the calling his former female roommate witness 3 I wonder... I find that curious...
 
GrandmaBear said:
Yeah, I didn't think his DNA was found on all of them and figured the link was Asa with some, or thought I recalled such anyhow.

They must have some other solid tie with Barhelemy I'm guessing, maybe phone records or something?

So with five of the six, there is a hair or more than one from the Heuerman family which is very damning.

Why are the calling his former female roommate witness 3 I wonder... I find that curious...
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I think that has to be his first wife doesn't it? The timeline of '91 thru '93 seems to tie up with when he was with her.

Also, I haven't read all 37 pages so probably witness 1 and 2 are mentioned elswhere in the document.
 
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I think that has to be his first wife doesn't it? The timeline of '91 thru '93 seems to tie up with when he was with her.

Also, I haven't read all 37 pages so probably witness 1 and 2 are mentioned elswhere in the document.
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That would make sense I guess, that there is a one and two. Witness seems like an odd word itself. I guess t she is one to some things, I guess as to what she didn't see anyhow (the murder) and as to how her hair would get on the victim, etc. because she lived there.

You know, I don't need the name but I'm not a fan of the way they conceal everything these days. Normally an adult name would not be protected in a public filing.

We discussed it before but I can't recall if it was for certain his first wife or just before he was with her or something...? I recall thinking he must have had another gf just prior to her or something, but unsure. Note they do refer to Asa and Victoria, but they protect this woman's name...
 
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