Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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According to this there are more than 100 missing and dead victims found on LI over the years. There is also a Newsday article but it has a subscription.



I doubt he is responsible for over the 100 there but he sure could be for a large number. Haven't watched it. Maybe later if time.
 
That would make sense I guess, that there is a one and two. Witness seems like an odd word itself. I guess t she is one to some things, I guess as to what she didn't see anyhow (the murder) and as to how her hair would get on the victim, etc. because she lived there.

You know, I don't need the name but I'm not a fan of the way they conceal everything these days. Normally an adult name would not be protected in a public filing.

We discussed it before but I can't recall if it was for certain his first wife or just before he was with her or something...? I recall thinking he must have had another gf just prior to her or something, but unsure. Note they do refer to Asa and Victoria, but they protect this woman's name...
The years do appear to correspond with when he was first married. I think they divorced in '94 IIRC. IMO the reason AE and VH have their names public is because of the media deal they have struck, which is now probably publicising and pushing it to the greatest extent possible - hence the attorneys wanting to get their faces and voices out there too.

It is going to be one heck of a big trial and media frenzy when it goes off.
 
I doubt he is responsible for over the 100 there but he sure could be for a large number. Haven't watched it. Maybe later if time.
I havent watched it yet either and probably won't for now but had a quick look at the first few comments and some victim names are already in there if we want to look into some of them in the future.

Further to the 37 page document :

I did a quick search and these are the page numbers in that document that witness 1 and 2 are mentioned if more info is required.

p. 3 - 1 occurrence

The 2003 and 2011 Discovery of the Human Remains of Jessica Taylor On or about July 26, 2003, an individual whose identity is known to law enforcement (hereinafter “WITNESS 1”) was walking his/her dog just west of Halsey Manor Road, Manorville, Suffolk County, NY. At that time, WITNESS 1 observed what appeared to be human remains, which prompted him/her to call 911.

p. 11 - 2 occurrences

At the time, Victoria was classmates with an individual whose identity is also known to law enforcement (hereinafter “WITNESS 2”). Based on post-arrest interviews with witnesses, including WITNESS 2’s family and Victoria Heuermann, the Gilgo Homicide Task Force has learned that, at the conclusion of the kindergarten school year, Ms. Ellerup and her two children vacationed with WITNESS 2’s family from on or about July 20, 2003 through on or about July 27, 2003 at Smuggler’s Notch Resort, which is located in Jeffersonville, VT.
 
The years do appear to correspond with when he was first married. I think they divorced in '94 IIRC. IMO the reason AE and VH have their names public is because of the media deal they have struck, which is now probably publicising and pushing it to the greatest extent possible - hence the attorneys wanting to get their faces and voices out there too.

It is going to be one heck of a big trial and media frenzy when it goes off.
Yeah, but I'm talking of who LE names versus who they don't. No doubt they want the publicity, and the attys. too. Agree with that.

I wonder how many years before these trial/s go off. I mean no reason to trust such will even when scheduled. Never happens in almost any case. Six murders already, serial killing, it's huge, I doubt it will go off anytime soon or stay to any schedule. I guess so far the hearings are happening as scheduled, as far as we know they haven't been rescheduled or delayed anyhow that I can think of...That's a lot different though than when we get to the bigger stuff and trial.

I guess it will be a frenzy and covered but most big media's reason these days for existing is politics and slant imo anyhow. They are failures at crime any longer although with one this big, most probably will cover I guess. Now when talking someone like Nate in Daybell, that's different and even though he is news, I wouldn't call him traditional news, having never had a physical office, etc., ,but that it's all always been an online news "station". I hope he stays true to his ways. He was recently on Vinnie, I mean he's become quite well known of course. Not that I class Vinnie as MSM lol because I don't.

You said there is a hearing in this one this week too, do you recall the date? Want to remember to check on it is all.

I'm on all days this week. In my two years there, I have NEVER had that happen. It is always a mix, mostly nights, maybe one or two days for back to backs. I can only figure someone is out I am covering for because it's just unheard of. There are a few, don't ask me how that only work days, seniority I guess. Generally if you are FT you cannot set your hours. You can request or only do the minimum of nights but that's it. Part time can say I can only work from 10 to 4 Monday through Thursday or some such, FT can't.

Anyhow it doesn't really matter. I mean Delphi has no live coverage and even though a huge trial about to get underway, not like one could watch it if had part of the weekday anyhow.

So we even have a hair on the 90s victim to get back to this one. Despite the fact the investigation back then, and those in charge, or concern from these victims was far from what it should have been, at least bases must have been covered as far as evidence collection. Of course that wasn't one that was thought to be one of the Gilgo ones right... Not quite the same dumping ground? Do I have that right?

I don't know how you keep them straight. I could with big cases like Daybell keep a lot straight but I was home all of the time and followed it all and saw it all. Also was younger lol, then some gets away when they quiet here and there over months and one isn't as fresh but still I have maintained most of that however, sometimes it's like oh yes, that's right, I forgot about that, until mentioned again as there is just so much.

It's also not hard at all to keep victims straight in that one. The victims are diverse in sex, age and relationship to the players. Young adopted son of Charles and Lori, bio daughter of Lori, wife of Chad, # whatever hub of Lori's (Charles).

I struggle in this one. I have Costello mostly straight (doesn't mean I have the details of her being found straight) but as far as she is the one whose friend saw his truck and him and all of that. Vergata too, largely because of the claims of the woman swinger, and the subsequent details re her going missing, from the phone call to her dad to getting out of jail. I've always had Gilbert straight for years on end, but she is claimed not to be a homicide victim. I think Waterman was the one seen on hotel footage wasn't it? Or was that Barthelemy? I think Waterman.

But as far as keeping the details of the years, when found, when went missing, how hfound, where on each of even those, I just can't do it or seem to retain it.

One I know was found with parts in two locations, was that Taylor? Of course I know Peaches and baby were found separately. Things like that aren't hard to recall.

I guess maybe it is not entirely unusual in an SK case with many victims, and where they go almost always towards a similar type of victim. And of course there's more than the six charged, including Mack and others, very possible ones of his whose stories we've heard as well. And just disposal detials as to where, how found, which ones had hairs, when disappeared. It's a lot.

Maybe if this case had been focused on OVER the years more and each victims' stories as they were found but they weren't.

Just some early morn thoughts as they come. Been up for a bit so not like I'm not awake yet. So they are somewhat formed lol.

5:17 here. Have to work at 10. Had an 8:30, two 9s scheduled and two 10s. At least no 7s. Of course some of those cover the bulk of the day meaning most of the morning and not til close but a good part of the night, one of them til 7 so only two hours before close.

So the whole middle of the day, busiest part.

Not sure why I got all mornings but isn't like it stays that way in the coming weeks already scheduled so who knows. While I don't prefer mornings necessarily, at least I'm no home at 10 at night and back at 7 in any this week. All days. Unheard of in my schedule.

Have I followed too much crime in that when any man comes through with a bunch of bags of zip ties I think hmm... If a woman does though, it doesn't blip my radar. I'm sure there are jobs the zip ties come in handy for, no idea, lol.

One day this summer two teens and I mean minors each bought a brand new spade... I said make note to self... Of day, approximate time... LOL. Cashiering more lately these days as coverage and those available affect such. Interesting to see what people buy. MOST are not notable lol.

I'll never forget though (tying in crime here to not be entire O/T) when I first went to front end last May and learned the various areas of service desk, cashiering, more, the guy who came through with rat poison a Mother's Day card for his wife and a third item I can't recall and he himself as he put it on the counter said to me and realized what an odd combo it was lol. I truly think it was entirely innocent but lol he realized himself as he put it on the counter.. The third item too was different, can't recall offhand...

Anyhow I try to note such things just I case, one never knows when LE may come looking for video and if I can help pinpoint a date if someone had a brand new spade... Or rat poison and a Mother's Day card.... See I still know that was last May.... of 2023...

Where did CB buy his stuff....
 
I havent watched it yet either and probably won't for now but had a quick look at the first few comments and some victim names are already in there if we want to look into some of them in the future.

Further to the 37 page document :

I did a quick search and these are the page numbers in that document that witness 1 and 2 are mentioned if more info is required.

p. 3 - 1 occurrence

The 2003 and 2011 Discovery of the Human Remains of Jessica Taylor On or about July 26, 2003, an individual whose identity is known to law enforcement (hereinafter “WITNESS 1”) was walking his/her dog just west of Halsey Manor Road, Manorville, Suffolk County, NY. At that time, WITNESS 1 observed what appeared to be human remains, which prompted him/her to call 911.

p. 11 - 2 occurrences

At the time, Victoria was classmates with an individual whose identity is also known to law enforcement (hereinafter “WITNESS 2”). Based on post-arrest interviews with witnesses, including WITNESS 2’s family and Victoria Heuermann, the Gilgo Homicide Task Force has learned that, at the conclusion of the kindergarten school year, Ms. Ellerup and her two children vacationed with WITNESS 2’s family from on or about July 20, 2003 through on or about July 27, 2003 at Smuggler’s Notch Resort, which is located in Jeffersonville, VT.
Okay, so that explains her being witness 3. So it was numbers in relation to this 37 page filing as to who they were referring to. Makes sense.
 
I have thought before this manifesto was every found that he took them home and tortured them. It just seemed a no brainer. She was gone as they say (at least for some and part) and where else is he going to get the sadistic jollies SKs get from what they do, and get such safely and have time... The details on the manifesto are disturbing and disgusting but I don't think surprising. They are alluding to the victims found the quickest after their murders show signs of some of these evil deeds and torture methods. That's also awful to hear but again not surprising.

I've said all along, many of us have if I recall, that they can't know what day most of these victims died. All they know is WHEN approximately or definitely some of them went missing and that's the ONLY day they know if not for sure then to a fair certainty in some to many, but not even all with that date.

You know I think of this once in awhile that I don't think people were getting even on his arrest what was likely done to these women. And I'm sure there are further details we really don't want to know, and the poor families my God. But of COURSE they are types like this, many of them. They aren't just quickly killing for a quick thrill because they hate their mommy or have a problem with rejection by women or something, so they strangle them or pick one up and kill that one because some other one treated them wrong. They are sadists, torturers and worse. Most. And the entire thing is the fantasy and I don't think they fantasize for how long just to quickly kill and there it goes out the window...

Just my opinion of course but I don't find this unusual at all or unexpected.

The article is confusing in one spot as it almost sounded like Tierney said he was not prolific, etc. because they had just quoted Tierney but they meant CB's attorney said that as he was then quoted next again.

AS to Brown, his attorney, all his remarks, I mean what else is he going to say... Yeah he says their surveillance video all ya have is a man going to work, walking the dog, nothing major... Uh huh. I'm sure such is the case a lot of it. They have to turn it all over of course so he is saying what he can pick out which isn't much.

He clearly changed up his ways here and there and it seems as if he also meant to confuse and do so over time. But any SK is also going to have a one off or two or more because if something goes wrong, someone comes by, the victim actually fights hard enough that they lose total control, etc. it may end quicker than they wanted. Yes a neighbor and noise, that one is interesting too, did someone complain or were cops called...

The fact this manifesto (that is what they called it isn't it, do I have that right) dates back to at least 2002 is very big so even then the torture etc. was going on. I don't mean he may never have done something to anyone else somewhere else but I think overall he took them home... At least the LI ones...The few that did NOT go with him when he tried to get them to his home seem to also confirm that to us.... Like that date.

I watch all of Joseph Gialcalone's mentioned in this article but he isn't thrown up to me for some time now by YT. I am going to have to go look because either he has not been doing shows or YTs algorithm is making me miss his shows. I tend to just go with what they throw up to me which used to largely be those I subscribed to but that's not happening for some time now... I lost Scott Reisch the same way.

We don't need to know the graphic details LE does, what is said here is enough, but I will say and have always figured, these women went through total terror, unimaginable pain and torture, and more for days other than in the beginning he perhaps did too much too fast, the reason for these rules for himself... VERY EARLY ON, 22 years ago when first known to exist, this manifesto...And their families have to deal with that and think of such and probably find ways to block such when thoughts go there. If they attend trial, they will not be able to totally. Not that one ever can totally but one has to if you want to get through, at least try to divert the thoughts. Not the same but it is when something so horrible happened and you know what did and how awful, more than a person can bear, but you can't let it all in constantly or you will cease to function at all. It's different but I can still HAVE that happen and always will I know by now. At work, maybe not for days, but then out of the blue, and I have to use whatever I can to distract the thoughts immediately. And it doesn't always work. And they are not even to trial yet.

It's the same but of course the types of things are different. I'm just saying it's too much.

And these poor victims.

You know, I can't talk of this and not think of Abby and Libby. I truly think a lot that RA is or would have been an SK. This was a fantasy, it was planned, it was a hunt or he wanted to control as the hunter out of the gate. It did not go as planned imo. Or as he hoped overall.

I don't like to talk such details but one that is important I think to at least touch on and somewhat skirt is they are often unable to perform. This article and things they refer to talks of objects to assault or torture with and I will leave that there. I don't want to think of such any further either. While I don't want to know details, it would be interesting if any sex worker in CB's constant use of such (that were not killed) ever had an act completed BY him, meaning intercourse. I'd almost doubt it...

In the Soto case, where he had been molesting his gf's daughter for half of her young life at least, there was another former gf or someone he dated that's talked and he was never able to really perform except for ONE time. It's because she wasn't a child and he didn't have power and her vulnerable would be my guess. The one time well that he got truly uhm sitiff, was a specific instance and what he asked her to do, how to lay, etc.

I am trying to keep this not too detailed. They can't do such because it isn't what excites them. They cannot perform in any normal situation... Even normal as in intercourse (nicest word I can think of) with a sex worker...

It's beyond my words but they need the right type, they need control, power, to torture, to hurt, to abuse, etc. And the SK is even PAST that... BEYOND.

That's enough but hope I made the point. I remarked way back when of how he and Asa had one child, not that that means they did not have some loving normal constant sex between the two of them but in THIS case, I seriously doubt it. With "normal" people of course it would not mean that... I would never even suggest such.
Yes. Some serial killers wrote diaries, Or worse, Video, Or audio of the torture. I read the diary of a serial killer, And I cannot remember his name. I remember his picture. It goes back to him being Prepubescent. Very disturbing from then on. I remember it's not available to read anymore. Bittaker/Norris audio cassette tapes of torture. They were featured in a documentary I watched 15-20 years ago. They are both two of the worst things I've read, And heard. This is terrible. That anyone had to endure ANY pain at his hands. NO!!! Yes. That's what SK's like, As you said. That's why, Especially for serial killers. DEATH PENALTY!!! THEY DO NOT CARE!!! And, In the end. THEY don't want to die. "Bundy" Didn't. "Gacy" Didn't. Either did YOUR VICTIMS!!! The exception was "Dahmer". Aa far as normal functionality. A video interview interview with "Bundy's" Long time girlfriend "Liz". She said there was nothing to indicate he was a SK. He was also a necrophile. "Ridgeway, Rader" Were married. Their wives say they had no idea. Here, You know, Doesn't apply. And, Yes, Sex workers are preyed upon because they are easy prey, And/Or the killer thinks they deserve to die for what they do. Riiiight. There is no way they will ever find the totality of his victims. As I believe he started killing a long time ago. The way sex worker murders were treated going back. They didn't care. So no records.
 
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Yes. Some serial killers wrote diaries, Or worse, Video, Or audio of the torture. I read the diary of a serial killer, And I cannot remember his name. I remember his picture. It goes back to him being Prepubescent. Very disturbing from then on. I remember it's not available to read anymore. Bittaker/Norris audio cassette tapes of torture. They were featured in a documentary I watched 15-20 years ago. They are both two of the worst things I've read, And heard. This is terrible. That anyone had to endure ANY pain at his hands. NO!!! Yes. That's what SK's like, As you said. That's why, Especially for serial killers. DEATH PENALTY!!! THEY DO NOT CARE!!! And, In the end. THEY don't want to die. "Bundy" Didn't. "Gacy" Didn't. Either did YOUR VICTIMS!!! The exception was "Dahmer". Aa far as normal functionality. A video interview interview with "Bundy's" Long time girlfriend "Liz". She said there was nothing to indicate he was a SK. He was also a necrophile. "Ridgeway, Rader" Were married. Their wives say they had no idea. Here, You know, Doesn't apply. And, Yes, Sex workers are preyed upon because they are easy prey, And/Or the killer thinks they deserve to die for what they do. Riiiight. There is no way they will ever find the totality of his victims. As I believe he started killing a long time ago. The way sex worker murders were treated going back. They didn't care. So no records.
Yeah, to all of it. CB (LISK) may well have kept diaries, videos, souvenirs. Be interesting to know what all they found in his home and storage unit and on his computers and more.

I know sex workers are definitely not an uncommon victim of SKs.

I know it's about the sick fantasy of torture and control for basically all of them.

One question, do you think the ones like LISK and Rader got (I know there are others) got married for a cover or because they really wanted to be married, even if it was just for a helpmate and COOK let's say. Did they really want kids and a wife? What is your thought on that, or is it all a cover for their murderous torturing ways...

It sounds like a good thing things can't be seen or read any longer, HOWEVER, they probably for adults who can take it maybe have their place, how do you feel about it?

It's good to see you around and in the threads. When it comes to SKs you are the most well read and knowledgeable about most all of them and are a wealth of information.

I am wondering about necrophilia in the Soto case. I don't lean towards it but he killed her for some reason and I can only think of three possibles. She was pg, she was going to tell OR he had some sick fantasy and/or even published such... God, I hope not. I think the first two more likely.

No one would know or ever will with LISK either. Clearly he enjoyed their fear and pain but who knows if he also indulged in the after. Nothing to indicate he did but again no way to know.

It's all sick and awful but that one, well, it is unimaginable someone would want to do such...
 
Okay, maybe I wont be watching it then. Not sure I would have been able to anyhow. It's even possible I saw it. Have seen a bit over the years.
The article is pay wall. IDK about the video. That's probably fine. I read alot of articles. I can't keep track of all the sites. You het a certain number free. Then....BAM!!! I didn't get a chance to watch it yet. S*** hit the fan here.
 
Heard of him, pretty sure you've mentioned him before right?
I'm not sure. May have. He was one of the most sickening. I will NEVER forget some of those diary entries. Not one of the most known. It's terrible. He killed 3 children. He was one that DID NOT have any abuse in their childhood, But showed signs before 10 of behavioral issues, And molesting his cousins.
 
I'm not sure. May have. He was one of the most sickening. I will NEVER forget some of those diary entries. Not one of the most known. It's terrible. He killed 3 children. He was one that DID NOT have any abuse in their childhood, But showed signs before 10 of behavioral issues, And molesting his cousins.
I doubt I'd have heard it anywhere else. Probably in the SK thread but I'm not sure all about him so much as maybe you mentioning some various ones and what they did, their different things, the types of victims and things like that. Just have heard the name. I sure don't recall specifics. Heck I can't keep the victims straight in this one much less every SK you know of lol. I know the ones most of us know and of course maybe a few before some people's time here or they'd have been of an age not to probably hear of so much but I sure am not up on all nor can maintain it all. I even remember some details of their crimes and MOs but then can't name the SK...

Do you think the ones that marry do it as a cover or they also really want a wife and children...?
 
I've said before that I believe he has been killing a long time. It's been bothering me. 30 years ago he would have been 26. Prime age for serial killers. So if he killed 3 a year. That's 90 obviously. They start slow, But escalates. He's got nothing to gain by trying to identify past victims. Plus, He would know before from sex workers on the street, That little to nothing was being done to identify any UID's.I am GLAD he got stupid with "Craigslist"!!!!
 
I doubt I'd have heard it anywhere else. Probably in the SK thread but I'm not sure all about him so much as maybe you mentioning some various ones and what they did, their different things, the types of victims and things like that. Just have heard the name. I sure don't recall specifics. Heck I can't keep the victims straight in this one much less every SK you know of lol. I know the ones most of us know and of course maybe a few before some people's time here or they'd have been of an age not to probably hear of so much but I sure am not up on all nor can maintain it all. I even remember some details of their crimes and MOs but then can't name the SK...

Do you think the ones that marry do it as a cover or they also really want a wife and children...?
That's a good question. I believe "Bundy" Was certainly trying to achieve the cover of normalcy. He WAS good at it. But far from normal obviously. "Rader" It does seem as though he did. He stopped for a long time, Which is unheard of.
 
I've said before that I believe he has been killing a long time. It's been bothering me. 30 years ago he would have been 26. Prime age for serial killers. So if he killed 3 a year. That's 90 obviously. They start slow, But escalates. He's got nothing to gain by trying to identify past victims. Plus, He would know before from sex workers on the street, That little to nothing was being done to identify any UID's.I am GLAD he got stupid with "Craigslist"!!!!
Agree. And with burner phones.

I think and have said I think he is going to be one of the most prolific of all time. And I think other states are going to come into play at some point. Whether we shall see it all come about in our lifetimes or even his the extent of it all, hard to say... I think we'll see a number more though, a lot more known about him, in the lifetime hopefully we have left. I just think 30, 40 and 50 years from now they will still be finding some things out...
 
Agree. And with burner phones.

I think and have said I think he is going to be one of the most prolific of all time. And I think other states are going to come into play at some point. Whether we shall see it all come about in our lifetimes or even his the extent of it all, hard to say... I think we'll see a number more though, a lot more known about him, in the lifetime hopefully we have left. I just think 30, 40 and 50 years from now they will still be finding some things out...
I agree. His other properties. There has to be something there IMO.
 
That's a good question. I believe "Bundy" Was certainly trying to achieve the cover of normalcy. He WAS good at it. But far from normal obviously. "Rader" It does seem as though he did. He stopped for a long time, Which is unheard of.
But did Rader stop....? I'm not convinced... I know he had his things, ways and area and taunts to LE and news and I will always refuse to use the serial killer name he gave himself because he loves it but I think Rader may have just went a bit off radar so to speak and changed it up for awhile and was more careful and away from the normal area, etc...

Now with LISK, many thought the two very different years and sets of murders were two different killers, but with even those who thought it was or might well be the same killer, they thought he too stopped for years. Did he really or was he just getting his fix in SC where his brother is and he owned land, or down by his mom who he went down to see all of the time, or in Vegas where they owned a condo or time share or some such... I mean it is not lost on me that well NYC for sure, but in Vegas try to avoid prostitutes if you are even you or I and want to not notice such...

I was curious as to your thoughts on marriage and kids. I have no clue but I'd lean towards it is a cover and they don't really want either such thing, wife or children, but if they can have them doing their bidding and cooking, laundry, and they control them too, and it's a cover then maybe.... Be curious what experts (even though I don't feel all such claimed experts are experts think of this subject. Is it JUST or cover of a normal life or is there more to it...

Anyhow, others have had gaps too but I'm not convinced there really were long gaps but perhaps they were indulging but elsewhere and even with a different MO. Or in some cases of course they could have been in jail for something else, or they got scared that LE was close, or had some close calls and quit just for their own sake and that's the only reason. Like you said they can do the most awful things to others without a qualm but most all of them worry about their own hides and their own death...

And in this one, just look at Asa stand by her man... He sure picked the right one didn't he.... Amazing... One who is making money off it and able to save every asset if so wanted...
 
But did Rader stop....? I'm not convinced... I know he had his things, ways and area and taunts to LE and news and I will always refuse to use the serial killer name he gave himself because he loves it but I think Rader may have just went a bit off radar so to speak and changed it up for awhile and was more careful and away from the normal area, etc...

Now with LISK, many thought the two very different years and sets of murders were two different killers, but with even those who thought it was or might well be the same killer, they thought he too stopped for years. Did he really or was he just getting his fix in SC where his brother is and he owned land, or down by his mom who he went down to see all of the time, or in Vegas where they owned a condo or time share or some such... I mean it is not lost on me that well NYC for sure, but in Vegas try to avoid prostitutes if you are even you or I and want to not notice such...

I was curious as to your thoughts on marriage and kids. I have no clue but I'd lean towards it is a cover and they don't really want either such thing, wife or children, but if they can have them doing their bidding and cooking, laundry, and they control them too, and it's a cover then maybe.... Be curious what experts (even though I don't feel all such claimed experts are experts think of this subject. Is it JUST or cover of a normal life or is there more to it...

Anyhow, others have had gaps too but I'm not convinced there really were long gaps but perhaps they were indulging but elsewhere and even with a different MO. Or in some cases of course they could have been in jail for something else, or they got scared that LE was close, or had some close calls and quit just for their own sake and that's the only reason. Like you said they can do the most awful things to others without a qualm but most all of them worry about their own hides and their own death...

And in this one, just look at Asa stand by her man... He sure picked the right one didn't he.... Amazing... One who is making money off it and able to save every asset if so wanted...
I always did question "Rader" Stopped for that long. It just, Doesn't happen. Dead, Or in prison. Neither.
 

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