Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[GrandmaBear]

I don't know how we missed it but I only caught that when reading it a second time. So the "divorce" is just a ruse to protect the assets?

I caught that it wasn't final the first read but it wasn't my focus in replying. If I recall right lol. Been on Delphi and stuff this morning.

Well here's my thought--I just realized in Delphi the spousal exception, you can't make a spouse testify against the other spouse... Dont' know if you've been in there yet today but you know one big thing I have wanted to see is what RA's wife has to say on the stand... And I also asked though if she voluntarily gave interviews to LE would they at least be able to be played, etc.? Because it was voluntary?

And then bringing that to this thought, why is this divorce not finalized? Because she does not want to have to testify against CB? Because she HAS info...?

Oh it was always to protect assets or move them. In this case. Now not sure how NY works but here, in a divorce, there'd be a temporary order before final ever does off. And last I knew CB wasn't contesting anything, meaning all would go to A and it's AAA (I loved that new one you came up with)... We know things are liquid as the SC property just got transferred for $1.

I got sidetracked and exhausted last night but was going to go back and check, did you say her and the dog and the son are living at the SC property??? I MISSED that. And never did go check it out.

Right now imo the only reason not to finalize the divorce is not to have to testify against him, etc....

Her move to divorce quickly was always about assets and protecting them, not just for there but for him too, imo, and it would be smart to do it for herself for any spouse of a murderer but it imo was more than that here. We know she did not file because she doesn't want him any longer or thinks him guilty. It's protection of assets so they can't go to a private atty, public defenders can come in, victims' FAMILIES can't sue for anything, etc.

 

[Tresir]

I caught that it wasn't final the first read but it wasn't my focus in replying. If I recall right lol. Been on Delphi and stuff this morning.

Well here's my thought--I just realized in Delphi the spousal exception, you can't make a spouse testify against the other spouse... Dont' know if you've been in there yet today but you know one big thing I have wanted to see is what RA's wife has to say on the stand... And I also asked though if she voluntarily gave interviews to LE would they at least be able to be played, etc.? Because it was voluntary?

And then bringing that to this thought, why is this divorce not finalized? Because she does not want to have to testify against CB? Because she HAS info...?

Oh it was always to protect assets or move them. In this case. Now not sure how NY works but here, in a divorce, there'd be a temporary order before final ever does off. And last I knew CB wasn't contesting anything, meaning all would go to A and it's AAA (I loved that new one you came up with)... We know things are liquid as the SC property just got transferred for $1.

I got sidetracked and exhausted last night but was going to go back and check, did you say her and the dog and the son are living at the SC property??? I MISSED that. And never did go check it out.

Right now imo the only reason not to finalize the divorce is not to have to testify against him, etc....

Her move to divorce quickly was always about assets and protecting them, not just for there but for him too, imo, and it would be smart to do it for herself for any spouse of a murderer but it imo was more than that here. We know she did not file because she doesn't want him any longer or thinks him guilty. It's protection of assets so they can't go to a private atty, public defenders can come in, victims' FAMILIES can't sue for anything, etc.

Yes i agree that is probably what it is all about. Protecting their assets by transfering them all to her then filing for divorce so he has no assets and can have a PD. Also victim's relatives (some had children) won't be able to sue and get any compensation if she has everything. This seems to be a big loophole and shouldn't be allowed. Public money being used for his defence, because he gave his assets away/sold them for a dollar. That should be illegal.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes i agree that is probably what it is all about. Protecting their assets by transfering them all to her then filing for divorce so he has no assets and can have a PD. Also victim's relatives (some had children) won't be able to sue and get any compensation if she has everything. This seems to be a big loophole and shouldn't be allowed. Public money being used for his defence, because he gave his assets away/sold them for a dollar. That should be illegal.

It is a HUGE loophole here. Same like in the Morphew case. I mean it is not proven hub killed wife BUT at least imo half of assets and all of hers should have been frozen. It is absolutely terrible in case after case. Often they are using assets or life insurance from the spouse they killed for a private defense even. I get they are not convicted yet but at LEAST freeze what isn't his if for instance a hub maybe killed a wife or she is just missing.

This case is not hub and wife. But they are leaching assets from the victims suing or getting restitution etc. and then he gets state help. Believe ME noting works here in sync. That would be family or divorce court, not criminal court and one isn't going to look out or do for the other and so on.

The system really does suck and in this case it is being played. And then there is start to state..In Morphew he got an IN court to get control over her assets and all of theirs. Yet they lived in CO...

It is just so wrong.

No different than if Tammy's life insurance in Daybell funded Chad's defense and even some of Lori's. The very woman he was cheating with on his wife.

All these cases differ some but same idea. They do wrong, profit and then use it to get out of the wrong, and so on. Just disgusting.

how does this kind of thing work there? Any better?

 

[Tresir]

It is a HUGE loophole here. Same like in the Morphew case. I mean it is not proven hub killed wife BUT at least imo half of assets and all of hers should have been frozen. It is absolutely terrible in case after case. Often they are using assets or life insurance from the spouse they killed for a private defense even. I get they are not convicted yet but at LEAST freeze what isn't his if for instance a hub maybe killed a wife or she is just missing.

This case is not hub and wife. But they are leaching assets from the victims suing or getting restitution etc. and then he gets state help. Believe ME noting works here in sync. That would be family or divorce court, not criminal court and one isn't going to look out or do for the other and so on.

The system really does suck and in this case it is being played. And then there is start to state..In Morphew he got an IN court to get control over her assets and all of theirs. Yet they lived in CO...

It is just so wrong.

No different than if Tammy's life insurance in Daybell funded Chad's defense and even some of Lori's. The very woman he was cheating with on his wife.

All these cases differ some but same idea. They do wrong, profit and then use it to get out of the wrong, and so on. Just disgusting.

how does this kind of thing work there? Any better?

No it is similar I think. Husband and wife assets can be held joint or separate. You can also hold assets with children.

 

[GrandmaBear]

No it is similar I think. Husband and wife assets can be held joint or separate. You can also hold assets with children.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing here. It sure sounded to me like CB owned most of the real estate and he gave it to Asa so It couldn't be taken, I'm sure, or would bet.

Barry Morphew had Suzanne proclaimed was in like a month with no proof she was dead. And then took all their assets wheher joint or separate.

dead in

Neither thing should be allowed imo. ETA, now I see in the post above you did agree he shouldn't be able to do this and get a PD, etc.. I lost track of the conversation lol.

 

[Tresir]

Ok just found this article from the last court appearancr which details when he is next in court. Dec 17th. Posting for reference.

Also note that his D wants more money. I guess CB doesn't have any now as he sold all assets to his wife for a dollar. Now the public purse will have to pay for his defence. I don't understand how this can be allowed.

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann back in court as defense says they'll seek change of venue

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann appeared before a judge for a status hearing Wednesday morning.

www.cbsnews.com

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. -- Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann appeared before a judge for a status hearing Wednesday morning.

Heuermann, a 61-year-old architect from Massapequa, is charged with six murders. He glanced once in the courtroom Wednesday - his estranged wife was not present. His hands were cuffed behind his grey suit.

Four of the victims in the case had their bodies disposed of near Gilgo Beach. Two others were murdered as far back as 2003 and 1993. Each of them had been involved in sex work.

Prosecutors allege Heuermann is linked to the murders through DNA, burner phone data, a description of his truck, internet searches and what they call a blueprint for how to get away with murder.

There will be a hearing this coming spring, with the defense challenging the new nuclear DNA, called SNP by prosecutors, which they say links victims' hairs to Heuermann. The defense has called an outside lab's methods of genetic testing unproven and "magic."

"It's a scientific issue. The judge is going to have to decide. We say absolutely not. Obviously, the district attorney has a different opinion," defense attorney Michael Brown said.

The judge set the next court date as Dec. 17, and said he wants to set the trial date at that time.

Prosecutors say they need more money because of all of the paperwork​

One of the things discussed was how quickly the defense can get all the raw data from Heuermann's 400 seized electronic devices.

With an extraordinary amount of evidence - 120 terabytes - District Attorney Ray Tierney said his funds are running low. In 2020, before he was in office, the feds froze $13 million in county forfeiture money due to an investigation into the funds.

"So I will go the Department of Justice once again, hat in hand, and I will beg them. Please give us this money so I can litigate this very significant serial killer case," Tierney said. "Given the ridiculous nature of our discovery laws, where I have to provide every single piece of paper that was generated in a case that started in 1993. That's what we have to do, OK?"

Tierney said the investigation into the other murders is ongoing on several different fronts. There could be future indictments as the number of victims linked to Heuermann have been growing, from four to six.

"Very important for us is to sever the fifth and sixth victims in the indictment from the first four, meaning try those separate and apart," Brown said.

Heuermann's attorney says his client is looking forward to his day in court and will be pursuing a change of venue.

"We talked about a change of venue. We're going to look into that. We have been looking into that, whether we can get a fair and impartial jury here in Suffolk County," Brown said. "Where do I hope it would be? The trial itself? Mars, I don't know."

The defense claims any jury pool in Suffolk has been "poisoned."

Heuermann remains in isolation in jail due to his notoriety.

 

[Tresir]

Ok, if the D are going to challenge this new SNP process, i thought we might like to find out more about it. This is an Oxford Academic article that talks about the history of regular DNA and this new SNP.

Crime Scene Genetics: Transforming Forensic Science through Molecular Technologies

Abstract. Advances in DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) technology over the past 25 years have led to spectacularly precise forensic identification techniques, a

academic.oup.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ok just found this article from the last court appearancr which details when he is next in court. Dec 17th. Posting for reference.

Also note that his D wants more money. I guess CB doesn't have any now as he sold all assets to his wife for a dollar. Now the public purse will have to pay for his defence. I don't understand how this can be allowed.

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann back in court as defense says they'll seek change of venue

Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann appeared before a judge for a status hearing Wednesday morning.

www.cbsnews.com

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. -- Suspected Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann appeared before a judge for a status hearing Wednesday morning.

Heuermann, a 61-year-old architect from Massapequa, is charged with six murders. He glanced once in the courtroom Wednesday - his estranged wife was not present. His hands were cuffed behind his grey suit.

Four of the victims in the case had their bodies disposed of near Gilgo Beach. Two others were murdered as far back as 2003 and 1993. Each of them had been involved in sex work.

Prosecutors allege Heuermann is linked to the murders through DNA, burner phone data, a description of his truck, internet searches and what they call a blueprint for how to get away with murder.

There will be a hearing this coming spring, with the defense challenging the new nuclear DNA, called SNP by prosecutors, which they say links victims' hairs to Heuermann. The defense has called an outside lab's methods of genetic testing unproven and "magic."

"It's a scientific issue. The judge is going to have to decide. We say absolutely not. Obviously, the district attorney has a different opinion," defense attorney Michael Brown said.

The judge set the next court date as Dec. 17, and said he wants to set the trial date at that time.

Prosecutors say they need more money because of all of the paperwork​

One of the things discussed was how quickly the defense can get all the raw data from Heuermann's 400 seized electronic devices.

With an extraordinary amount of evidence - 120 terabytes - District Attorney Ray Tierney said his funds are running low. In 2020, before he was in office, the feds froze $13 million in county forfeiture money due to an investigation into the funds.

"So I will go the Department of Justice once again, hat in hand, and I will beg them. Please give us this money so I can litigate this very significant serial killer case," Tierney said. "Given the ridiculous nature of our discovery laws, where I have to provide every single piece of paper that was generated in a case that started in 1993. That's what we have to do, OK?"

Tierney said the investigation into the other murders is ongoing on several different fronts. There could be future indictments as the number of victims linked to Heuermann have been growing, from four to six.

"Very important for us is to sever the fifth and sixth victims in the indictment from the first four, meaning try those separate and apart," Brown said.

Heuermann's attorney says his client is looking forward to his day in court and will be pursuing a change of venue.

"We talked about a change of venue. We're going to look into that. We have been looking into that, whether we can get a fair and impartial jury here in Suffolk County," Brown said. "Where do I hope it would be? The trial itself? Mars, I don't know."

The defense claims any jury pool in Suffolk has been "poisoned."

Heuermann remains in isolation in jail due to his notoriety.

NO, this is the P asking for more money as county funds were frozen, etc. And they are going to need it imo to thoroughly investigate all possible murders and to litigate these six cases.

CB's attys. are "free" and state paid but the P has to go ask for more funds.

What science don't D attorneys argue as "magic" etc.? I believe such was said with the now thought of by most as Gold Standard regular DNA bask in the day as well, just untrusted junk science, voodoo, lies lol.

Interesting that wifey wasn't in court. Maybe now that she has all of the assets,she decided to bolt. Or was out buying comic books or whatever her obssession was or could not leave her video game, who knows... Maybe she got a new bikini and is on a beach somewhere...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ok, if the D are going to challenge this new SNP process, i thought we might like to find out more about it. This is an Oxford Academic article that talks about the history of regular DNA and this new SNP.

Crime Scene Genetics: Transforming Forensic Science through Molecular Technologies

Abstract. Advances in DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) technology over the past 25 years have led to spectacularly precise forensic identification techniques, a

academic.oup.com

Good idea to make this a thorough thread, but beyond me to read or take in right now. I trust it's an accurate science and if not, I guess we will find out. There have been advances of many kinds in all things over many years and the D always tries to debunk most of them in cases as what else can they do in many a case...

NIce break from Delphi for some moments as to new info in this one and Murdaugh though.

 

[Tresir]

Good idea to make this a thorough thread, but beyond me to read or take in right now. I trust it's an accurate science and if not, I guess we will find out. There have been advances of many kinds in all things over many years and the D always tries to debunk most of them in cases as what else can they do in many a case...

NIce break from Delphi for some moments as to new info in this one and Murdaugh though.

It's a new science, from what i can make out and the document describes it but it sounds complicated. I also guess it could be challenged too, if it is new.

 

[Tresir]

It's a new science, from what i can make out and the document describes it but it sounds complicated. I also guess it could be challenged too, if it is new.

I think i read they are splitting the cases 2 and 4 so not sure if that is anything to do with the type of DNA on the victims. Eg wife and daughter and maybe mother and first wife hairs on the victims as opposed to his hair/DNA on them.

ie the 4 Gilgo Beach ones separate to the two older cases. I also see that CB is in solitary for safekeeping too, so this is not unusual.

 

[Tresir]

NO, this is the P asking for more money as county funds were frozen, etc. And they are going to need it imo to thoroughly investigate all possible murders and to litigate these six cases.

CB's attys. are "free" and state paid but the P has to go ask for more funds.

What science don't D attorneys argue as "magic" etc.? I believe such was said with the now thought of by most as Gold Standard regular DNA bask in the day as well, just untrusted junk science, voodoo, lies lol.

Interesting that wifey wasn't in court. Maybe now that she has all of the assets,she decided to bolt. Or was out buying comic books or whatever her obssession was or could not leave her video game, who knows... Maybe she got a new bikini and is on a beach somewhere...

Maybe now she has the assets and the million for the TV rights, she maybe got a new man as well as a bikini?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Maybe now she has the assets and the million for the TV rights, she maybe got a new man as well as a bikini?

A bikini?

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's a new science, from what i can make out and the document describes it but it sounds complicated. I also guess it could be challenged too, if it is new.

Yeah, I did not look. Just can't take in something complicated right now lol or scientific and you say it sounds complicated. At my best, dry complicate stuff is enough as it is.

We all have done and go through though from the cell data experts to the argument on ballistics, etc., I mean I can follow but just not up for this one at the moment.

What I do hope is that a judge can follow as I've seen it where they can't follow sh*t. On even simpler stuff and buy what they are told.

There seems to t a number of cases lately that have used this new science and it has broken some open, I know that much, and I'd think it's proven and trustworthy to those that understand it. I guess we will find out. Like her here in LISK I mean they have a lot more with cell phone data, etc. but the hairs seem to have been the thing they waited for in a number of them.

I'll leave it to those that should know and need to decide. And maybe on a day when more fresh, will try to read and understand it.

I do know this much, if I was on a jury and a man's life was in my hands I'd want to understand it and know if it can be trusted.

I'd say again though that almost any science that can convict a D's client or place them is argued.

However, I'd also say this seems relatively new an SO it should be looked at.

That's all the very uninformed opinion I have, I dozed off and just awoke and it was dark and no clue if it was 5:00 or 11:00 p.m or even 4 a.m. Hating this time change. It was 6ish. P.m.. Thank goodness.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think i read they are splitting the cases 2 and 4 so not sure if that is anything to do with the type of DNA on the victims. Eg wife and daughter and maybe mother and first wife hairs on the victims as opposed to his hair/DNA on them.

ie the 4 Gilgo Beach ones separate to the two older cases. I also see that CB is in solitary for safekeeping too, so this is not unusual.

I did read that. I read things other than going into the science one. Yes they are splitting. I'd say it has to do with the two very different time frames also.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Maybe now she has the assets and the million for the TV rights, she maybe got a new man as well as a bikini?

WEll that's a thought lol, I wouldn't doubt they were knocking on her door reading of her money... Poor CB. ANd yah, if they weren't knocking she could even buy herself a guy... I mean she put up with a hub that was doing such to her for years...

I really have LITTLE sympathy for her. This woman knew immediately how to protect herself and profit and move on things while acting like Ms. Woebegone.

 

[GrandmaBear]

A bikini?

Yes. Get with the program dear dodo!!

No proof of a bikini just my guess, now Tresir guesses maybe a new man too. I mean she wasn't in court so if off somewhere then....?

 

[Tresir]

Yes. Get with the program dear dodo!!

No proof of a bikini just my guess, now Tresir guesses maybe a new man too. I mean she wasn't in court so if off somewhere then....?

To South Carolina for the winter maybe?

 

[GrandmaBear]

To South Carolina for the winter maybe?

I quit doing reactions emojis to any posts but once in awhile I just have to lol.

i think you nailed it perhaps and is the brother maybe the new man? lol, lol.

that makes me wonder if the bro is a lot like him or looks like him at all... or with her new money would she be looking for a brand new type of guy...?

lol, it may seem mean to some but I consider her more than fair game after she's exploited this situation and the victims imo too for cash and her own gain.

I guess she could be in love with some trekkie or something and going to comic book after comic book convention... I don't see her as the type though that has much energy. I can actually identify with that sadly but then I do work. I wonder if she ever has in her lifetime.

I am rethinking the beach as she'd burn pretty easily. perhaps she's off climbing mountains? Hired herself a hot fit guide with some of her cash...

is she going to miss more hearings and is done with him or just this one?

by jove, I think I've got it. she goes because her deal is still taking footage of her BUT we just had an election. I bet they were BUSY elsewhere and so no cameras, she doesn't care to attend??

I wonder if it bothered him when he realized she wasn't there...? although I guess he might have known ahead if she told him she wouldn't be...

it's 3 a.m. and I am ticked. a day off, last one and I had woken up to use what you call the loo and was nestling back down to sleep well and knew I could get back to a nice sleep and my cat started in and I ended up UP now not able to sleep. Arghhh. this will turn it into a messed up day totally. at about the time I will probably hit ready to go back to sleep I will have to be up due to a scheduled business kind of meeting. not really happy.

the cat (Snit) was acting like he was not choking but trying to sneeze or something repeatedly or to breathe or some such. I couldn't see him as it is dark in here I just kept hearing it over and over and over. amazingly the minute I got worried and up and no longer could doze nicely back off, it STOPPED. just amazing isn't it.... he's never done that before but i'm thinking it was intentional now...

 

[Tresir]

I found a simple explanation of SNP.

Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs)

Single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) are a type of polymorphism involving variation of a single base pair.

www.genome.gov

Definition​

A single nucleotide polymorphism (abbreviated SNP, pronounced snip) is a genomic variant at a single base position in the DNA. Scientists study if and how SNPs in a genome influence health, disease, drug response and other traits.

Narration​

Single nucleotide polymorphism, or SNP. If you are reading a news story where it says, for example, scientists find the genetic contributors to diabetes or some other condition or trait, you're probably reading about SNPS. A SNP is a one-letter place where your genome varies from another genome sequence. Thanks to the Human Genome Project, we have found that these single letter changes in our genetic code are placed all across our genomes. We can see that the patterns vary between people and even between populations. If we want to identify genetic contributors to a common complex disease like diabetes, we can group together thousands of people who have diabetes and compare their SNP patterns to thousands of people who do not have diabetes. With enough people in our study, we can use the SNPs as markers to see that certain areas of the genome appear to be the same in people who have diabetes, and that tells us where we should look in more detail for a genetic cause.

Chris Gunter, Ph.D.
Associate Investigator

Social and Behavioral Research Branch