Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Gilgo Beach killer hunt slowed by infighting between prosecutors, police​

By Alexandra Heal
and
Gus Garcia-Roberts
August 1, 2023 at 2:17 p.m. EDT

MASSAPEQUA PARK, N.Y. — A decade after the discovery of 11 bodies near Gilgo Beach sparked the search for one of America’s most elusive serial killers, a Long Island district attorney’s office turned its attention to an aging former police officer.

Newly equipped with advanced technology, the Suffolk County District Attorney’s Office analyzed old cellphone data to home in on a shrinking list of suspects who had lived in one sleepy neighborhood not far from the shore — chief among them the former officer, whose initials matched those on a belt used to bind one of the victims. By 2021, excitement grew among prosecutors that they were on the verge of finally closing the case.

But there was a problem: The homicide detectives chasing the lead were bordering on mutiny.
Prosecutors believed the detectives refused to follow orders and clashed with federal partners, multiple high-level law enforcement officials familiar with the case said. Detectives, meanwhile, felt that the district attorney at the time, Tim Sini, was forcing them to investigate leads they had already ruled out while ratcheting up pressure to solve the case before his 2021 reelection bid. The tension grew so high that, at Sini’s urging, the case’s longtime lead detective was removed.
Rex Heuermann on July 14 after being charged with three counts of first-degree murder. (Suffolk County Sheriff’s Office/Getty Images)
Amid that squabbling, a decade-old witness tip concerning the model of a pickup truck linked to the suspected killer went ignored. Last month, under the new district attorney who unseated Sini, that tip finally led to the arrest of another suspect who lived blocks away from the ex-officer: Rex Heuermann, a 59-year-old architect who is charged with three of the murders and under suspicion for another.


The previously unreported recent infighting between prosecutors and detectives illustrates how official missteps fueled years of false turns and dysfunction as the infamous killing spree remained unsolved, The Washington Post found through a review of records and interviews with more than 20 legal, law enforcement and political insiders familiar with the case — many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case or feared retaliation. The investigation was hampered by political battles, deep-seated local resistance to federal investigators and apparent apathy toward sex-worker victims.
Sini said in a statement that he sought to remove the lead detective, Patrick Portela, because “it became increasingly clear that [he] was not willing to effectively collaborate,” including by refusing to share information with the FBI. Sini said that he was met with “fierce resistance” from within the police department when he initially advocated for the detective’s removal, and noted that investigators under his successor “solved the case in eighteen months without [Portela’s] involvement.”
Multiple former high-level law enforcement officials supported that Portela was removed due to complaints from FBI officials, but others disputed it, and none would speak on the record. The Suffolk County Police Department and the FBI declined to comment. Portela, who retired last year, declined to comment.
Crime laboratory officers remove boxes as police search Heuermann's home on July 15 in Massapequa Park, N.Y. (Jeenah Moon/AP)
Among current and former elected officials and investigators in this affluent, insular county of 1.5 million residents, which has one of the highest-paid police forces in the nation, initial relief and elation at Heuermann’s arrest has given way to finger pointing and deflection as new information has cast national scrutiny on why it took so long to apprehend a suspect.


“They could have caught this guy a decade ago,” said Phil Boyle (R), a former New York state senator whose district included the serial killer dumping ground.
Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney, who oversaw the task force that arrested Heuermann, said that the investigation was hindered during its early years due to “a lot of dysfunction among the leadership” and “not a great relationship between the DA and the federal authorities.” He declined to comment on the clash between his predecessor and homicide detectives.

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On July 20, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney talked about how disorganized leadership slowed down the Gilgo Beach serial killer investigation. (Video: The Washington Post)
The cost of the investigation’s lost years is still unknown. Heuermann, prosecutors said, continued to contact sex workers as recently as this year. Investigators in multiple jurisdictions are exploring whether Heuermann can be linked to other unsolved murders, standard practice when an alleged serial killer is apprehended.


Heuermann has pleaded not guilty. His lawyer, Michael Brown, declined to comment.
Steve Cohen, an attorney for the family of one of the victims, described the long delay in the case as grueling for loved ones: “It’s been an incredibly harsh ordeal for the family, beyond that which you can even imagine.”

The victims​

An officer from the Suffolk County Police Department's K-9 Unit searches through the brush for the remains of Shannan Gilbert along Ocean Parkway, near Oak Beach on Long Island on Dec. 5, 2011. (Kevin P Coughlin/AP)
From the beginning, when a woman disappeared in May 2010 running toward the salty thickets near Gilgo Beach — where 10 other bodies or sets of remains would ultimately be found — the case suffered from apparent missteps. These included a lack of urgency by police officers to probe the disappearance of sex workers, according to lawyers for the families of victims.
Shannan Gilbert, 23, was last seen alive by residents of the gated Long Island community of Oak Beach, having fled screaming from the house of a man who was paying for her sexual services. According to “Lost Girls,” Robert Kolker’s book on the then-unsolved serial killings, it took months for Suffolk County police to connect a 911 call from Gilbert the night she disappeared to a missing persons report filed by her family in New Jersey, and even longer to seek surveillance footage, which by then had been taped over.
An undated photo of Shannan Gilbert, whose remains were found near Gilgo Beach on Long Island in December 2011. (John Ray Law/AP)
Seven months after Gilbert vanished, when a police dog caught a scent several miles west, four bodies were discovered in the scratchy shrubs and reeds that separate a desolate highway from the sand. All of the women were White and petite, and wrapped in burlap.


None was Gilbert. The women, who became known as the Gilgo Four, were soon identified as Melissa Barthelemy, 24, Megan Waterman, 22, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, and Amber Lynn Costello, 27. All had advertised escort services on Craigslist or other sites.
In the coming months, Suffolk County police and officers in neighboring Nassau County would find the remains of six more people along Ocean Parkway, some dating back to the 1990s. Three were later identified as Jessica Taylor, 20, Valerie Mack, 24, and Karen Vergata, 34. The rest remain unidentified. Gilbert’s skeletal remains were pulled from a marsh in December 2011.
The case sparked national headlines about a serial killer on the loose, along with a cottage industry of media, including the best-selling book, a Netflix drama and multiple podcasts. But early investigators telegraphed a lack of alarm about the case. When asked at a public meeting in 2011 whether kids should be afraid to go out at night, Dominick Varrone, who was chief of detectives, referred to the victims’ status as sex workers. He called it a “consolation” that the murderer wasn’t “selecting citizens at large — he’s selecting from a pool.”


“This statement and the underlying attitude it betrays demonstrate a sad truth about how law enforcement handles crimes against sex workers — differently than they would if the victim were not engaged in sex work,” said Ariela Moscowitz, communications director of advocacy group Decriminalize Sex Work.

A lost lead​

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer, center, during a news conference concerning Shannan Gilbert on Dec. 7, 2011, in Oak Beach, N.Y. (Kathy Kmonicek/AP)
The county’s internecine politics invaded the investigation from the start. In 2011, Thomas Spota and Richard Dormer, then the district attorney and police commissioner, respectively, publicly bickered about whether they believed there was one or more killers.
And a pivotal lead — one that would much later crack the case — was apparently mishandled.

According to a bail application prosecutors filed following Heuermann’s arrest, witnesses gave police a detailed description of a man who had visited Costello, one of the four women who bodies were found by police in 2010, shortly before her disappearance. The witness reports in the document describe him as an “ogre,” standing more than 6 feet 4 inches tall and driving a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche. Tierney, the district attorney, confirmed in an interview that police had obtained the witness descriptions of the suspect’s appearance and his truck around the time Costello’s body was found in December 2010.

Three homicide investigators who worked on the case at the time provided little clarity on why the tip appears to not have been chased down. One of them, a supervisor who oversaw the case starting in 2011, said he was not made aware of the witness statements from the year earlier, which he called “inexcusable” and “beyond weird.”
“It just raises questions about the adequacy of the initial investigation, and whether a full-court press was done,” Eugene O’Donnell, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and former NYPD officer and New York City prosecutor, said of the lost statements. He said it cast doubt on whether the victims “received the kind of investigation that they deserved.”

Flawed new leader​

Former Suffolk County police chief James Burke is escorted to a vehicle by FBI personnel outside the FBI office in Melville, N.Y., on Dec. 9, 2015. (Steve Pfost/Newsday RM/Getty Images)
In 2012, James Burke took over as chief of the 2,500-officer police department — and inherited the Gilgo Beach case. Burke’s nearly four-year tenure, which ended in disgrace as he pleaded guilty to assaulting a prisoner and conspiring to cover it up, brought new dysfunction to the case.


Earlier in his career, Burke was transferred from a street post after Internal Affairs Bureau investigators found he had an illicit sexual relationship with a felon in his precinct previously convicted of crimes including prostitution. Burke acknowledged the relationship but claimed he didn’t know about the woman’s long criminal history. Records in that case show that investigators probed Burke’s interactions with at least one other sex worker in his precinct who said Burke took her to a motel. But she said Burke just drank beer while she slept, and the IAB made no findings involving her.

In a separate case, the IAB investigated whether Burke was involved in a prostitution ring — allegations he called “absolutely false,” and which the IAB found to be “unsubstantiated,” records show.
For John Ray, an attorney representing the families of two of the women found on the beaches, Burke’s alleged history with sex workers conflicted with the case placed under his purview. “So here is this guy with this predilection for sex workers investigating the murder of sex workers,” Ray said. “You don’t bring the robber to come in and investigate robberies.” (Burke did not respond to a request for comment made through his lawyer.)


Burke also instilled a deep distrust of federal agencies, his colleagues said. “We all hated the feds,” former Lt. James Hickey, one of Burke’s closest confidants in the department, later testified.
Serial killer investigations are typically aided by federal authorities. But Burke and Spota instead took steps to keep out the FBI, according to Sini, who said he reviewed a report in the case file in which detectives stated that they had been barred from sharing case information with the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit, known for profiling serial killers. Spota has denied blocking the FBI, saying that federal agents previously assisted Suffolk investigators in the case — before Burke took office — but that they were turned away in 2012 because their work was deemed “duplicative” by local authorities.
According to the bail application, the four women Heuermann is accused of murdering each had contact with a person using an unregistered, or “burner,” phone shortly before their disappearances. In 2011, before Burke became chief, the federal agent started an analysis of related cell-site records, Tierney said. That report, completed in 2012, first suggested that the killer lived in Massapequa Park and commuted to Midtown Manhattan.
But local authorities then failed to narrow down the field of suspects, according to Sini and other law enforcement officials familiar with the case. That included not performing “dumps” of nearby cell towers — checking them for all phone activity during relevant periods.
“The first thing I thought about was the fact that tower dumps would have been a great investigative tool,” said Larry Daniel, a forensic expert who has testified about cell-site data in criminal cases.
Burke’s posture against federal authorities only intensified after Dec. 14, 2012, when the chief and his detectives beat up a shackled suspect who stole a duffel bag containing sex toys and porn from Burke’s truck, according to later indictments and court testimony. Federal prosecutors described a criminal conspiracy that was all-consuming for several of the top officials in the district attorney’s office and police department as the feds pursued Burke, ultimately resulting in the 2016 conviction of Burke. Spota and another former top prosecutor were later convicted of helping the coverup.
“No police work is getting done,” prosecutor Lara Treinis Gatz said in court of the top law enforcement officials in Suffolk County during this period. “They’re spending their day protecting Jimmy.”

Police and prosecutors clash​

Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota, center, leaves a court in Riverhead, N.Y. (John Dunn/AP)
Sini, then a 35-year-old former federal prosecutor, was appointed police commissioner in late 2015. Two years later, he was elected district attorney after Spota was indicted. In both positions, Sini said, he sought to revive the Gilgo Beach case that Burke and Spota had left in “disarray.” But Sini’s efforts would soon be hampered by more internal conflict.
Sini attempted to reinvolve the FBI in the case. His office recruited experts in technical investigations and bought expensive, high-tech equipment to vacuum up DNA and reduce the area where cellphone data suggested their suspect resided. By 2021, Sini said, they had whittled the pool of homes where the killer may have lived from around 1,250 to 200. Basic vetting of those residents produced what Sini called a “large sheet” of possible suspects.
But investigating each of those possible suspects required the police department’s homicide squad, including the detective esteemed by his colleagues for an encyclopedic knowledge of the case dating back years. Portela was a Burke-era appointee to the case, having been put on the investigation in 2013. He worked the case out of “the Gilgo room,” packed with filing cabinets and boxes from the investigation.
When the previous lead detective on the case retired in late 2015, around when Sini became commissioner, Portela took over the lead role. Sini said that Portela was kept on, alongside new detectives and FBI agents, “because of his institutional knowledge.” But led by Portela, the homicide detectives on the case clashed with Sini and Howard Master, a Yale-educated former federal prosecutor who Sini put in charge of the Gilgo Beach case in 2020. (Master declined to comment.)
A poster lists personal details of five of the women whose bodies were found near Gilgo Beach in 2010 and 2011. (Reuters/Courtesy of Suffolk County Police)
Former law enforcement officials aligned with Sini said that homicide detectives failed to perform basic investigative tasks to reduce the pool of potential suspects. One former official said that when prosecutors pushed the homicide squad to produce long-requested dossiers on the residents in the area where they were focused, the detectives gave them a couple of recent printouts from a law enforcement search program.
“I was like, are you serious?” that official said. “What have you done?”
The detectives didn’t take kindly to being told how to investigate, another former law enforcement official said: “Their philosophy was they investigate and we prosecute, and they kind of wanted to keep it that way.”
For their part, homicide detectives considered Sini and Master to be micromanagers, demanding weekly meetings and constantly hectoring them to investigate people they had already ruled out. And led by Portela, some didn’t trust the narrowed-down area where Sini directed them to focus, wanting to investigate suspects outside of it.
Multiple law enforcement sources said that one of the disagreements arose over the former police officer in Massapequa Park, whom they said the prosecutor’s office considered a top suspect even as homicide detectives were confident he was not. Sini declined to comment on that person specifically, but said that “of course there were a number of people of interest who fit our profile whom we wanted worked up from an investigative standpoint. At no point was I or any senior member of my team fixated on any particular suspect to the exclusion of others.”
Sini said that his attempts to remove Portela came to a head in 2021, when he was informed by Suffolk police brass that the FBI “was not going to invest more resources into the case if Portela remained on.”
Law enforcement officials said that a homicide supervisor finally removed Portela after the supervisor was threatened with demotion by his own higher-ups.

Long-awaited arrest​

Crime laboratory officers search Heuermann's home on July 18. (Yuki Iwamura/AFP/Getty Images)
The break that led to Heuermann’s arrest came quickly after Tierney took office last year. He assigned a task force from four law enforcement agencies, who conducted a “comprehensive review of every item of evidence and information in this investigation,” according to the bail application. During that review, a New York state trooper found the detail about the Chevy Avalanche. A secretive flurry of investigation followed over the next 16 months, strengthening the case against Heuermann, before he was arrested.
There is plenty of work yet to be done: the fourth Gilgo Beach murder, in which Heuermann is a suspect but not yet charged; a potential trial in which Tierney plans to be the lead prosecutor; and six more unsolved murders which may not be linked to Heuermann. (Police have indicated they do not believe Gilbert’s death was a homicide.)
But on Long Island, blame-shifting has erupted over the case’s past delays — while top county officials continue to clash.
Those aligned with prosecutors and police have faulted the other for failing to close the case sooner. A former law enforcement official posited that if the detectives had backgrounded each person of interest under Sini as they were asked, Heuermann could have been caught years earlier.
But two current law enforcement officials with direct knowledge of the case against Heuermann said that investigative findings from Sini’s tenure played no significant role in finding him. They said the case against Heuermann consisted of the old witness statements leading them to him, the FBI cell data analysis completed in 2012, and investigative steps — such as mitochondrial DNA comparison performed using hair investigators had for more than a decade — taken after the new administration zeroed in.
“I do not know how the law enforcement personnel who earned the credit of solving this case used the work we did,” Sini responded. “I am just thrilled that the case has been solved.”
He had previously touted his administration’s work as vital, saying that a “real key ingredient to the success this case throughout the years was the collaboration between the Suffolk County Police Department and the Suffolk County DA’s office.”
A man described in a bail application as Rex Heuermann appears in a still image from surveillance video in a cellphone store in Manhattan in May. (Suffolk County Court/Reuters)
Even the announcement of Heuermann’s arrest — a jubilant moment for public officials on the island — was indicative of simmering tensions.
Tierney’s office worried for months about tipping off Heuermann, especially after Sini gave an interview in January detailing his administration’s use of cell-site data. Tierney’s office responded by sending out letters to dozens of former law enforcement officials in the case — including Sini — ordering them not to discuss confidential information.
Two law enforcement officials involved in the case said task force members were also under strict orders not to share information with Steve Bellone, the longtime county executive who previously appointed Burke, the later-convicted police chief.
“It was believed by members of the task force that if he would learn about the investigation he would seek to get publicity out of it at the expense of catching a serial killer,” one of those law enforcement officials said of Bellone.
Instead, they said the top elected official in the county was told about Heuermann’s impending arrest on July 13, the night the architect was quietly taken into custody near his office in Manhattan. Tierney planned to announce the indictment the following afternoon at a news conference at the DA’s office. Because Tierney said he didn’t want to mix politics with law enforcement, according to the officials, no politicians were invited.
Bellone beat him to it. The morning after the arrest, he had his own lectern set up in front of Heuermann’s ramshackle house in Massapequa Park. Joined by Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison, Bellone heralded the arrest and assured residents that “we have never stopped working on this case.”
People gather as law enforcement officials search Heuermann's home on July 14. (Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images)
In law enforcement circles, criticism flew that Bellone was attempting to upstage Tierney. But Bellone told The Post that as news began to leak about the arrest, bringing a crowd to the house already swamped with police, he arranged the news conference out of an obligation to inform the public, not to grandstand.
“There was not anything remotely political in my remarks,” Bellone said, “and that’s an absurd suggestion.”
Oof! We had a similar(ish) issue here and the entire crimes against children department was dismantled, mostly due to the same kind of egos and lack of discipline.
 
Thanks for pasting that Cuz. This bit is interesting. Heck it's all interesting.

"According to the bail application, the four women Heuermann is accused of murdering each had contact with a person using an unregistered, or “burner,” phone shortly before their disappearances. In 2011, before Burke became chief, the federal agent started an analysis of related cell-site records, Tierney said. That report, completed in 2012, first suggested that the killer lived in Massapequa Park and commuted to Midtown Manhattan."

So it seems Burke got in and the investigation stopped. I wonder how many murders could have been prevented if CB had been arrested in 2012. They knew the area he lived and they knew his vehicle but that info was buried.
 
Updated.
I make this a total of 19 victims.

**Sandra Costillo 1993
Karen Vergata missing Feb 14th 1996
Asa E pregnant Feb 1996
Alicia Reynolds, 2nd March 1996, VA
"Peaches" discovered in 1997
(Baby "Peaches" discovered April 2011)
***Valerie Mack Spring/Summer 2000
**Jessica Taylor missing July 21st 2003
Jodie Brewer, 19, Aug 2006, Las Vegas
Kim Raffo, 35, 21st Nov 2006
Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, Oct 2006
Barbara Breidor, 42, Nov 2006
Molly Dilts, 19, Nov 2006
(Above four victims from Atlantic City )
*Maureen Brainard-Barnes July 2007
*Melissa Barthelemy July 2009
Shannan Gilbert May 2010 disc Dec 2011
*Megan Waterman June 2010.
*Amber Costello 2nd Sept 2010
Suspect and vehicle described Sep 2010
Asian male discovered April 2011
Pick-up registered to brother in SC 2012
Aaliyah Bell, Rock Hill, SC Nov 2014

Notes
J. Burke Suffolk Police Chief 2012-2015
R. Harrison Suffolk Police Chief Jan 2022
*RexH arrest July 2023
**RexH additional charges June 2024
***RexH POI June 2024
Bringing this forward. Pick up moved to South Carolina in 2012 and was then registered to brother. Someone tipped him off. Burke became Chief in 2012 and it looks like the LI murders stopped then too. That's no coincidoink IMO.
 
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Gilgo Beach killer hunt slowed by infighting between prosecutors, police​

By Alexandra Heal
and
Gus Garcia-Roberts
August 1, 2023 at 2:17 p.m. EDT

MASSAPEQUA PARK, N.Y. — A decade after the discovery of 11 bodies near Gilgo Beach sparked the search for one of America’s most elusive serial killers, a Long Island district attorney’s office turned its attention to an aging former police officer.

Newly equipped with advanced technology, the Suffolk County District Attorney’s Office analyzed old cellphone data to home in on a shrinking list of suspects who had lived in one sleepy neighborhood not far from the shore — chief among them the former officer, whose initials matched those on a belt used to bind one of the victims. By 2021, excitement grew among prosecutors that they were on the verge of finally closing the case.

But there was a problem: The homicide detectives chasing the lead were bordering on mutiny.
Prosecutors believed the detectives refused to follow orders and clashed with federal partners, multiple high-level law enforcement officials familiar with the case said. Detectives, meanwhile, felt that the district attorney at the time, Tim Sini, was forcing them to investigate leads they had already ruled out while ratcheting up pressure to solve the case before his 2021 reelection bid. The tension grew so high that, at Sini’s urging, the case’s longtime lead detective was removed.
Rex Heuermann on July 14 after being charged with three counts of first-degree murder. (Suffolk County Sheriff’s Office/Getty Images)
Amid that squabbling, a decade-old witness tip concerning the model of a pickup truck linked to the suspected killer went ignored. Last month, under the new district attorney who unseated Sini, that tip finally led to the arrest of another suspect who lived blocks away from the ex-officer: Rex Heuermann, a 59-year-old architect who is charged with three of the murders and under suspicion for another.


The previously unreported recent infighting between prosecutors and detectives illustrates how official missteps fueled years of false turns and dysfunction as the infamous killing spree remained unsolved, The Washington Post found through a review of records and interviews with more than 20 legal, law enforcement and political insiders familiar with the case — many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case or feared retaliation. The investigation was hampered by political battles, deep-seated local resistance to federal investigators and apparent apathy toward sex-worker victims.
Sini said in a statement that he sought to remove the lead detective, Patrick Portela, because “it became increasingly clear that [he] was not willing to effectively collaborate,” including by refusing to share information with the FBI. Sini said that he was met with “fierce resistance” from within the police department when he initially advocated for the detective’s removal, and noted that investigators under his successor “solved the case in eighteen months without [Portela’s] involvement.”
Multiple former high-level law enforcement officials supported that Portela was removed due to complaints from FBI officials, but others disputed it, and none would speak on the record. The Suffolk County Police Department and the FBI declined to comment. Portela, who retired last year, declined to comment.
Crime laboratory officers remove boxes as police search Heuermann's home on July 15 in Massapequa Park, N.Y. (Jeenah Moon/AP)
Among current and former elected officials and investigators in this affluent, insular county of 1.5 million residents, which has one of the highest-paid police forces in the nation, initial relief and elation at Heuermann’s arrest has given way to finger pointing and deflection as new information has cast national scrutiny on why it took so long to apprehend a suspect.


“They could have caught this guy a decade ago,” said Phil Boyle (R), a former New York state senator whose district included the serial killer dumping ground.
Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney, who oversaw the task force that arrested Heuermann, said that the investigation was hindered during its early years due to “a lot of dysfunction among the leadership” and “not a great relationship between the DA and the federal authorities.” He declined to comment on the clash between his predecessor and homicide detectives.

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On July 20, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney talked about how disorganized leadership slowed down the Gilgo Beach serial killer investigation. (Video: The Washington Post)
The cost of the investigation’s lost years is still unknown. Heuermann, prosecutors said, continued to contact sex workers as recently as this year. Investigators in multiple jurisdictions are exploring whether Heuermann can be linked to other unsolved murders, standard practice when an alleged serial killer is apprehended.


Heuermann has pleaded not guilty. His lawyer, Michael Brown, declined to comment.
Steve Cohen, an attorney for the family of one of the victims, described the long delay in the case as grueling for loved ones: “It’s been an incredibly harsh ordeal for the family, beyond that which you can even imagine.”

The victims​

An officer from the Suffolk County Police Department's K-9 Unit searches through the brush for the remains of Shannan Gilbert along Ocean Parkway, near Oak Beach on Long Island on Dec. 5, 2011. (Kevin P Coughlin/AP)
From the beginning, when a woman disappeared in May 2010 running toward the salty thickets near Gilgo Beach — where 10 other bodies or sets of remains would ultimately be found — the case suffered from apparent missteps. These included a lack of urgency by police officers to probe the disappearance of sex workers, according to lawyers for the families of victims.
Shannan Gilbert, 23, was last seen alive by residents of the gated Long Island community of Oak Beach, having fled screaming from the house of a man who was paying for her sexual services. According to “Lost Girls,” Robert Kolker’s book on the then-unsolved serial killings, it took months for Suffolk County police to connect a 911 call from Gilbert the night she disappeared to a missing persons report filed by her family in New Jersey, and even longer to seek surveillance footage, which by then had been taped over.
An undated photo of Shannan Gilbert, whose remains were found near Gilgo Beach on Long Island in December 2011. (John Ray Law/AP)
Seven months after Gilbert vanished, when a police dog caught a scent several miles west, four bodies were discovered in the scratchy shrubs and reeds that separate a desolate highway from the sand. All of the women were White and petite, and wrapped in burlap.


None was Gilbert. The women, who became known as the Gilgo Four, were soon identified as Melissa Barthelemy, 24, Megan Waterman, 22, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, and Amber Lynn Costello, 27. All had advertised escort services on Craigslist or other sites.
In the coming months, Suffolk County police and officers in neighboring Nassau County would find the remains of six more people along Ocean Parkway, some dating back to the 1990s. Three were later identified as Jessica Taylor, 20, Valerie Mack, 24, and Karen Vergata, 34. The rest remain unidentified. Gilbert’s skeletal remains were pulled from a marsh in December 2011.
The case sparked national headlines about a serial killer on the loose, along with a cottage industry of media, including the best-selling book, a Netflix drama and multiple podcasts. But early investigators telegraphed a lack of alarm about the case. When asked at a public meeting in 2011 whether kids should be afraid to go out at night, Dominick Varrone, who was chief of detectives, referred to the victims’ status as sex workers. He called it a “consolation” that the murderer wasn’t “selecting citizens at large — he’s selecting from a pool.”


“This statement and the underlying attitude it betrays demonstrate a sad truth about how law enforcement handles crimes against sex workers — differently than they would if the victim were not engaged in sex work,” said Ariela Moscowitz, communications director of advocacy group Decriminalize Sex Work.

A lost lead​

Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer, center, during a news conference concerning Shannan Gilbert on Dec. 7, 2011, in Oak Beach, N.Y. (Kathy Kmonicek/AP)
The county’s internecine politics invaded the investigation from the start. In 2011, Thomas Spota and Richard Dormer, then the district attorney and police commissioner, respectively, publicly bickered about whether they believed there was one or more killers.
And a pivotal lead — one that would much later crack the case — was apparently mishandled.

According to a bail application prosecutors filed following Heuermann’s arrest, witnesses gave police a detailed description of a man who had visited Costello, one of the four women who bodies were found by police in 2010, shortly before her disappearance. The witness reports in the document describe him as an “ogre,” standing more than 6 feet 4 inches tall and driving a first-generation Chevrolet Avalanche. Tierney, the district attorney, confirmed in an interview that police had obtained the witness descriptions of the suspect’s appearance and his truck around the time Costello’s body was found in December 2010.

Three homicide investigators who worked on the case at the time provided little clarity on why the tip appears to not have been chased down. One of them, a supervisor who oversaw the case starting in 2011, said he was not made aware of the witness statements from the year earlier, which he called “inexcusable” and “beyond weird.”
“It just raises questions about the adequacy of the initial investigation, and whether a full-court press was done,” Eugene O’Donnell, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice and former NYPD officer and New York City prosecutor, said of the lost statements. He said it cast doubt on whether the victims “received the kind of investigation that they deserved.”

Flawed new leader​

Former Suffolk County police chief James Burke is escorted to a vehicle by FBI personnel outside the FBI office in Melville, N.Y., on Dec. 9, 2015. (Steve Pfost/Newsday RM/Getty Images)
In 2012, James Burke took over as chief of the 2,500-officer police department — and inherited the Gilgo Beach case. Burke’s nearly four-year tenure, which ended in disgrace as he pleaded guilty to assaulting a prisoner and conspiring to cover it up, brought new dysfunction to the case.


Earlier in his career, Burke was transferred from a street post after Internal Affairs Bureau investigators found he had an illicit sexual relationship with a felon in his precinct previously convicted of crimes including prostitution. Burke acknowledged the relationship but claimed he didn’t know about the woman’s long criminal history. Records in that case show that investigators probed Burke’s interactions with at least one other sex worker in his precinct who said Burke took her to a motel. But she said Burke just drank beer while she slept, and the IAB made no findings involving her.

In a separate case, the IAB investigated whether Burke was involved in a prostitution ring — allegations he called “absolutely false,” and which the IAB found to be “unsubstantiated,” records show.
For John Ray, an attorney representing the families of two of the women found on the beaches, Burke’s alleged history with sex workers conflicted with the case placed under his purview. “So here is this guy with this predilection for sex workers investigating the murder of sex workers,” Ray said. “You don’t bring the robber to come in and investigate robberies.” (Burke did not respond to a request for comment made through his lawyer.)


Burke also instilled a deep distrust of federal agencies, his colleagues said. “We all hated the feds,” former Lt. James Hickey, one of Burke’s closest confidants in the department, later testified.
Serial killer investigations are typically aided by federal authorities. But Burke and Spota instead took steps to keep out the FBI, according to Sini, who said he reviewed a report in the case file in which detectives stated that they had been barred from sharing case information with the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit, known for profiling serial killers. Spota has denied blocking the FBI, saying that federal agents previously assisted Suffolk investigators in the case — before Burke took office — but that they were turned away in 2012 because their work was deemed “duplicative” by local authorities.
According to the bail application, the four women Heuermann is accused of murdering each had contact with a person using an unregistered, or “burner,” phone shortly before their disappearances. In 2011, before Burke became chief, the federal agent started an analysis of related cell-site records, Tierney said. That report, completed in 2012, first suggested that the killer lived in Massapequa Park and commuted to Midtown Manhattan.
But local authorities then failed to narrow down the field of suspects, according to Sini and other law enforcement officials familiar with the case. That included not performing “dumps” of nearby cell towers — checking them for all phone activity during relevant periods.
“The first thing I thought about was the fact that tower dumps would have been a great investigative tool,” said Larry Daniel, a forensic expert who has testified about cell-site data in criminal cases.
Burke’s posture against federal authorities only intensified after Dec. 14, 2012, when the chief and his detectives beat up a shackled suspect who stole a duffel bag containing sex toys and porn from Burke’s truck, according to later indictments and court testimony. Federal prosecutors described a criminal conspiracy that was all-consuming for several of the top officials in the district attorney’s office and police department as the feds pursued Burke, ultimately resulting in the 2016 conviction of Burke. Spota and another former top prosecutor were later convicted of helping the coverup.
“No police work is getting done,” prosecutor Lara Treinis Gatz said in court of the top law enforcement officials in Suffolk County during this period. “They’re spending their day protecting Jimmy.”

Police and prosecutors clash​

Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas Spota, center, leaves a court in Riverhead, N.Y. (John Dunn/AP)
Sini, then a 35-year-old former federal prosecutor, was appointed police commissioner in late 2015. Two years later, he was elected district attorney after Spota was indicted. In both positions, Sini said, he sought to revive the Gilgo Beach case that Burke and Spota had left in “disarray.” But Sini’s efforts would soon be hampered by more internal conflict.
Sini attempted to reinvolve the FBI in the case. His office recruited experts in technical investigations and bought expensive, high-tech equipment to vacuum up DNA and reduce the area where cellphone data suggested their suspect resided. By 2021, Sini said, they had whittled the pool of homes where the killer may have lived from around 1,250 to 200. Basic vetting of those residents produced what Sini called a “large sheet” of possible suspects.
But investigating each of those possible suspects required the police department’s homicide squad, including the detective esteemed by his colleagues for an encyclopedic knowledge of the case dating back years. Portela was a Burke-era appointee to the case, having been put on the investigation in 2013. He worked the case out of “the Gilgo room,” packed with filing cabinets and boxes from the investigation.
When the previous lead detective on the case retired in late 2015, around when Sini became commissioner, Portela took over the lead role. Sini said that Portela was kept on, alongside new detectives and FBI agents, “because of his institutional knowledge.” But led by Portela, the homicide detectives on the case clashed with Sini and Howard Master, a Yale-educated former federal prosecutor who Sini put in charge of the Gilgo Beach case in 2020. (Master declined to comment.)
A poster lists personal details of five of the women whose bodies were found near Gilgo Beach in 2010 and 2011. (Reuters/Courtesy of Suffolk County Police)
Former law enforcement officials aligned with Sini said that homicide detectives failed to perform basic investigative tasks to reduce the pool of potential suspects. One former official said that when prosecutors pushed the homicide squad to produce long-requested dossiers on the residents in the area where they were focused, the detectives gave them a couple of recent printouts from a law enforcement search program.
“I was like, are you serious?” that official said. “What have you done?”
The detectives didn’t take kindly to being told how to investigate, another former law enforcement official said: “Their philosophy was they investigate and we prosecute, and they kind of wanted to keep it that way.”
For their part, homicide detectives considered Sini and Master to be micromanagers, demanding weekly meetings and constantly hectoring them to investigate people they had already ruled out. And led by Portela, some didn’t trust the narrowed-down area where Sini directed them to focus, wanting to investigate suspects outside of it.
Multiple law enforcement sources said that one of the disagreements arose over the former police officer in Massapequa Park, whom they said the prosecutor’s office considered a top suspect even as homicide detectives were confident he was not. Sini declined to comment on that person specifically, but said that “of course there were a number of people of interest who fit our profile whom we wanted worked up from an investigative standpoint. At no point was I or any senior member of my team fixated on any particular suspect to the exclusion of others.”
Sini said that his attempts to remove Portela came to a head in 2021, when he was informed by Suffolk police brass that the FBI “was not going to invest more resources into the case if Portela remained on.”
Law enforcement officials said that a homicide supervisor finally removed Portela after the supervisor was threatened with demotion by his own higher-ups.

Long-awaited arrest​

Crime laboratory officers search Heuermann's home on July 18. (Yuki Iwamura/AFP/Getty Images)
The break that led to Heuermann’s arrest came quickly after Tierney took office last year. He assigned a task force from four law enforcement agencies, who conducted a “comprehensive review of every item of evidence and information in this investigation,” according to the bail application. During that review, a New York state trooper found the detail about the Chevy Avalanche. A secretive flurry of investigation followed over the next 16 months, strengthening the case against Heuermann, before he was arrested.
There is plenty of work yet to be done: the fourth Gilgo Beach murder, in which Heuermann is a suspect but not yet charged; a potential trial in which Tierney plans to be the lead prosecutor; and six more unsolved murders which may not be linked to Heuermann. (Police have indicated they do not believe Gilbert’s death was a homicide.)
But on Long Island, blame-shifting has erupted over the case’s past delays — while top county officials continue to clash.
Those aligned with prosecutors and police have faulted the other for failing to close the case sooner. A former law enforcement official posited that if the detectives had backgrounded each person of interest under Sini as they were asked, Heuermann could have been caught years earlier.
But two current law enforcement officials with direct knowledge of the case against Heuermann said that investigative findings from Sini’s tenure played no significant role in finding him. They said the case against Heuermann consisted of the old witness statements leading them to him, the FBI cell data analysis completed in 2012, and investigative steps — such as mitochondrial DNA comparison performed using hair investigators had for more than a decade — taken after the new administration zeroed in.
“I do not know how the law enforcement personnel who earned the credit of solving this case used the work we did,” Sini responded. “I am just thrilled that the case has been solved.”
He had previously touted his administration’s work as vital, saying that a “real key ingredient to the success this case throughout the years was the collaboration between the Suffolk County Police Department and the Suffolk County DA’s office.”
A man described in a bail application as Rex Heuermann appears in a still image from surveillance video in a cellphone store in Manhattan in May. (Suffolk County Court/Reuters)
Even the announcement of Heuermann’s arrest — a jubilant moment for public officials on the island — was indicative of simmering tensions.
Tierney’s office worried for months about tipping off Heuermann, especially after Sini gave an interview in January detailing his administration’s use of cell-site data. Tierney’s office responded by sending out letters to dozens of former law enforcement officials in the case — including Sini — ordering them not to discuss confidential information.
Two law enforcement officials involved in the case said task force members were also under strict orders not to share information with Steve Bellone, the longtime county executive who previously appointed Burke, the later-convicted police chief.
“It was believed by members of the task force that if he would learn about the investigation he would seek to get publicity out of it at the expense of catching a serial killer,” one of those law enforcement officials said of Bellone.
Instead, they said the top elected official in the county was told about Heuermann’s impending arrest on July 13, the night the architect was quietly taken into custody near his office in Manhattan. Tierney planned to announce the indictment the following afternoon at a news conference at the DA’s office. Because Tierney said he didn’t want to mix politics with law enforcement, according to the officials, no politicians were invited.
Bellone beat him to it. The morning after the arrest, he had his own lectern set up in front of Heuermann’s ramshackle house in Massapequa Park. Joined by Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison, Bellone heralded the arrest and assured residents that “we have never stopped working on this case.”
People gather as law enforcement officials search Heuermann's home on July 14. (Michael M. Santiago/Getty Images)
In law enforcement circles, criticism flew that Bellone was attempting to upstage Tierney. But Bellone told The Post that as news began to leak about the arrest, bringing a crowd to the house already swamped with police, he arranged the news conference out of an obligation to inform the public, not to grandstand.
“There was not anything remotely political in my remarks,” Bellone said, “and that’s an absurd suggestion.”
My God was that a long read. Plenty to remark on and pick apart, and I don't mean pick at the Post, I mean at the politics and people involved and the b.s. I said before I even read it this case has always been rife with and affected by politics.

I couldn't even read it all last night and finally did finish this morning but by the end am beyond even trying to comment on the key things or keep track of them. Maybe later.

I've said in other cases over the last few years that politics are affecting justice in a way as never before and they don't belong together.

That area is too big for their britches as to power, departments, and the need to win for "either" side. Detectives are or were too full of it and their egos and job descriptions and what was "their court".

To me, when asked to "reinvestigate" people they had ruled out, and perhaps Siri, etc. were micromanaging and no one likes that when they know how to do their job, BUT the case had not been solved and there is NOTHING wrong with taking another look at possible suspects or looking to determine possible suspects.

Also interesting, I'm just touching on a few, because it is beyond me right now to recall all, is the feds had narrowed down the area of where the SK lived and likely worked LONG BEFORE.

For not caring about a case about sex workers, they sure all want to take credit now OR blame others for the lack of investigation. But again politics are interfering with investigations and justice these days big time. The two should NOT relate but they are so intertwined as to make it beyond difficult.

Add in power and corruption and boy... Like Burke, all were spending their days protecting "Jimmy".

It seems "Siri" was on the right path. He went back to the cell data report, etc. Do I have the right one, the right guy, so many named in this long thing.

It's a good article, not sure if there is bias or not but regardless shows the ridiculous conflicts throughout and politics and egos and cover ups.

When you have to hide your investigation from the top official in the area, there's a problem and this is what happens also, a remnant from the other administration...

And yet that's what good LE or a good DA needs to do if necessary. Keep the politics out of it and protect the investigation. I liked Harrison, better than Tierney actually, but I don't look at that politically as that's nothing to me and no clue.

It's also a good example of when maybe someone wants to do the right thing and JUST do the investigation without politics, the interference they get from higher ups and how politics play in.

Burke's another story as we all know all to well. I'm thankful actually the entire article was not about just him because we've been through that many a time.

You can almost "feel" it, the remnants around yet from different administrations and under different control, the infighting, the problems such caused, the distrust of the feds instilled, you name it.

And the cases well were very affected weren't they. Repeatedly.

I don't know what the answer is but I know politics should not be affecting justice and yet they are entwined. It's both good and bad most officials can be in our out every four years. If a bad ne, it's a good thing if voted out, if a good one, it's a bad thing if that one is voted out. It starts things all over too but remnants remain of the old administrations and in power and that's what even well intended onese have to deal with.

It's ridiculous.

I have a few comments on the actual case, etc. and people, but it is beyond me right now after the long read and one helluva long week and a very STUPID late night meeting last night. Not even sure I will get back to it because it's a lot of reading to go find those spots again and comment on what I wanted to touch on. And the days off go way too fast and I'm always lucky if I get the necessities done and get to de-stress.

But what stands out most to me is that this cell analysis was had as to where the perp likely lived and worked a long darned time ago. Of course we know of the missing tip re the vehicle, or ignored tip maybe is more like it.

You know, Tierney did come in and pick up probably where Siri had went and was trying to go. Who CARES who and how? All I know is both dealt with others not exactly on board.

I'd dare say also that most LE officers do not go into LE thinking they want to deal with politics but that they want to investigate and do a LE job. But they end up in such.

However, of course, when cronies are being given jobs perhaps and others worry they will be out of course it becomes the thing...

At the bottom of it all in every case, there are families and victims and not a one of them are thinking about politics nor understanding the b.s. that goes on at this level.

Smh.

None of this is what I wanted to say, there are some specific things throughout I wanted to touch on although this was part of more general remarks. Not sure I will get to it.

Very in depth article, long damned read last night and this morning. My day to sleep in and I woke up at 5, go figure. And then started by trying to digest this.

I maybe even read it back when but it is one of those cases where a person takes in SO much info...

I feel bad as to this day, I can't keep all of the victims straight re dates, where found, etc.

Long enough, I started my day with this tired and in the wee hours and probably didn't say much here other than pointing out the b.s. of politics and justice being so bad these days and the one affecting the other.

Smh.
 
I have got to remember to come back to this and look at it.. It seems I heard something of this, some hint or mention and HOW IS THIS EVEN ALLOWED, to call into some show? Isn't it to be to an approved list only they can call?

Of course Jesperson is in OR prison so who knows what they allow? No offense @Kimster but you remark yourself about the things going on in politics and the judicial system there, etc.
I didn’t know they were able to call out like that? I wonder if it’s because the podcast accepts a collect call. Prisoners are allowed to make phone calls.
 
Thanks for pasting that Cuz. This bit is interesting. Heck it's all interesting.

"According to the bail application, the four women Heuermann is accused of murdering each had contact with a person using an unregistered, or “burner,” phone shortly before their disappearances. In 2011, before Burke became chief, the federal agent started an analysis of related cell-site records, Tierney said. That report, completed in 2012, first suggested that the killer lived in Massapequa Park and commuted to Midtown Manhattan."

So it seems Burke got in and the investigation stopped. I wonder how many murders could have been prevented if CB had been arrested in 2012. They knew the area he lived and they knew his vehicle but that info was buried.

Bringing this forward. Pick up moved to South Carolina in 2012 and was then registered to brother. Someone tipped him off. Burke became Chief in 2012 and it looks like the LI murders stopped then too. That's no coincidoink IMO.

Yeah, Burke should be looked at as being involved too.
 
OH yeah, I think it did say sentenced to three but out after two years re the brother.

As I recall in reading your article the LAST time I was up in the wee hours, lol, they searched the BROTHER's PROPERTY. I do not recall them searching CB's. So they did?

Yes pic of son is at LI.

So the pic over the fence and the no trespassing and no entry without warrant signs and all of those are at the brother's or at CB's? Or does the brother live on CB's property...? I think they both have parcels don't they but does brother have a home on his?
They have four parcels - i looked back in the thread.
 
This is the link to the podcast that features the :) killer. Its 43 minutes long. I haven't listened yet.

The Lighter Side Of Serial Killers -

"My pen pal Rex Heuermann"

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I didn’t know they were able to call out like that? I wonder if it’s because the podcast accepts a collect call. Prisoners are allowed to make phone calls.
Well they shouldn't be but it rings a bell with me. I have to tell you my memory used to be like an elapahnst's not long ago but it worries me thees days. I try to hope it is just too much for too long.

But this rings serious bell. Back when I was going on about how instantly it was Rader's daught and Happy's swarming to help Asa, start a GFM Keri was on air a lot on shows (Rader'\s daughter) and I commented a lot on it and I think it was said at some point Hapy could call shows or some such. He is a convicted SK for God's sake!!!

I swear there is such a lack of concern here by the numbed generations that it is downright scary.

And even us older generations, I see many a one doing the same.

Anyhow, it is also just like Asa immediately had them rushing to her side or trying to help, like there was some "group", and Happy writing CB and you name it while Asa is playing wow is me but then at the same time knew exactly immediately what to do as to assets and divorce... And a multi million DEAL and so did the atty she has.

It's all so weird and so wrong. He shoudln't be calling into any public show. I suppose some could claim yeah they are seeing if he gives anything else up but NO. He is convicted and no such thing needs to be allowed.

Personally I don't think it's right either that RA could call his wife or mom at any hour of the day whenever he pleased but he could. Okay then, but people call that solitary? Give me a break. In my years at home before this job I had far less contact with people than they get or have.

No SK should be able to call into ANY SHOW.

This whole thing was crazy from the start... And CB researched other killers and profiers. And lo and behold from the mnute he was arrested here they came, and here Asa knew exactly what to do as well...

I'm not into conspiracies and honestly I think some have lost their ever loving mind like with Delphi but another one or two I won't name in interest of there are different sides to such and beliefs, although here one does have to wonder... BUT it is the idiocy of those allowing such shi*t and the idiots involved even in the case like Burke, that makes for such a look. No convicted SK should be calling into any show, what the he77 is going on out there??

TWo recent cases have brought in and up other serial killers and connections... this one and Kohberger...And Rader and; his daughter have been front and center in both while she also tried to raie more interest in more crimes of his. It is just plain WEIRD.

She was on STTEADY and I saw what I think was he last one where she was going to take a mental health and life break she said ubut imo it was because she was getting so much flack.

Happy's daughter disappeared even quicker but her dad did write CB, lo and behold.

I mean this sh*T is out there. And they are letting convicted SK's write other ones charged with such, call into shows and you name it?

No one convicted of what Jesperso was (Happy) should have any such freedom.

As I've said in other threads, without going into much detail, how has this great experiment in leniency, letting people out, lack of serious sentencing, perks for inmates, etc. worked out? Lower crime right? LMAO.

And where are you @Mel70 ?? Is all okay?

Because I know you'd have an opinion here of Jesperson calling into a show and eing allowed to.
 
I didn’t know they were able to call out like that? I wonder if it’s because the podcast accepts a collect call. Prisoners are allowed to make phone calls.
They shouldn't be able to--ever imo.

Is he not on death row or maybe OR is no DP. Just awoke from a nap. Much needed but heck I've gotten little done. Just wiped.

But anyhow, what I mean is not fully awake yet.

Maybe he's just a lifer? I can look up when more fully awake, just not sure right now.

Either way why are they allowed to do this? He's pretty clearly a rightfully convicted serial killer. All his phone privileges should be limited imo. And his writing to another suspected serial killer too should be not allowed imo.

I mean I have to tell ya I don't know how things like this have become okay in this nation and how ridiculous it's all gotten. I also have to say and how some seem to think it's no big deal.

It's also darned odd how quickly these various serial killer families contacted each other and another SK himself. It's like there is some group and in fact I think that was said by one of the daughters, something about helping families of other SKs or some such. Now THAT would be maybe somewhat understandable but what I did not understand about that was that if they didn't know her, their immediate reaching out was weird to me because no one knew sh*t about her, whether she was involved or not, etc.

Personally I think Keri needs some serious help. I saw her on many a show. Happy's daughter, not as familiar with but she instantly does a GFM for Asa which I don't think raised much the last I ever knew.

I don't think it's a good idea for pedos to be in touch and I sure don't think it's a good idea for SKs to be in touch, or wannabe SKS.

Man, still waking up and will be dark soon, what a messed up day but anyhow only part of this is a response to your post, the rest is more my general thoughts/opinion.

But back to your post, yeah maybe if a collect call, it might have something to do with it, but I still don't think it should be possible. Now that I'm a bit more awake, I am guessing OR is no DP right? Makes sense just based on some other things or if it ever was, it isn't any longer...?
 
Yeah, Burke should be looked at as being involved too.
The whole Burke thing and coincidence is crazy. As is them looking at a cop in Massapequa Park with the right initials. As are the people on LI Shannon Gilbert had contact with that night. As also is the alleged cop that was swinging with his gf who talked to Ray and supposedly was swinging at CB's house and they picked up Karen Vergata and left her there... Add in all these awful politiics and b.s. and it's something else.

It leaves me wtih a picture or image of every cop and male out there is a sex addicted, murderous, corrupt weirdo.

It gives a bad image of all and the area even if that's not the case.

And that article says this is one of the highest paid PDs or was it SDS in the country or was it THE highest paid? They oughta be very good if that's the case. Hmm.

Had to protect Jiimmy though. Burke.

There's a lot here to suspect or create a conspiracy no doubt.

And where we will end up with our opinions there may differ as much as I did with you on RL and others versus RA.

I think it is just as likely that Burke simply didn't want anyone anywhere near his activities or his office and ways and finding out about such. Ddn't want the feds around for that reason and none did due to corrupt ways and departmens or being told how to do their job, the biggest, best LE agency in the country they probably felt right? Ha Ha.

So while for now, I will leave Burke on the sideline but leave him in this, I am pretty satisfied CB did this or at least the ones charged with and probably a number of the others with no conspiracy. I guess it's possible someone tried to help keep attention away from him but I get no impression he was a well liked or connected man but who knows...

What I think we all know and would agree on is this case and the people supposed to be investgating and far more and the politics over the years are one hot mess and they should be embarrassed as all he77. And what that made things like for the famllies, well unimaginable. First, their daughters, most, were sex workers and they have to defend the risky lifestyle if they choose to try to demand help on it. And then they've got this attitude this corruption, this political b.s. going on.

I don't think Burke was likely involved, I think he didn't want anyone NEAR him investigating anything to do with sex workers when he himself was living a lifestyle cruising for such, etc.

That's where I'm at with it, where are you at?

Although it would not surprise me if he has killed or had someone killed or silenced in his lifetime just as they beat the guy that stole his computer and case of sex toys and honestly how weird is that? Now THAT is weird. Why did somone do that... However they did not kill the man even then...

Burke is one sick pathetic SOB (no offense to his mother but who knows), no doubt. Yet someone put in in control. I don't know the politics on it but as I recall, he was just kind of appointed or some such... There was and perhaps still is a lot wrong in that area.

In that article too was the woman who is like a head of a group for making sex work noncriminal or some such, I forget the name but that's what it meant. Well I sure don't think that's the answer either, because then it will follow that the johns can't be charged.

In no way should these crimes have been ignored because most were sex workers but also it should never be looked at as a smart route in life and is a very dangerous thing to be doing and let's go back to just the few talked about here, this entire area seems to be huge with it, big city, major one in the nation, and how many people have been looked at as being LISK... How many had their sexual predilection/addiction going on with LE, etc. living secret lives. And one of the girls went into Manhattan just to do this so it is a huge area for such. Of course it is. Like Vegas for another example where CB also had a place. Not hard to find a sex worker and in fact if a well behaved man, you'd probably say you have to fight them off...

But I'm sidetracking big time after a messed up day off but much needed sleep, etc.

I guess what I mean at the core here is the sh* with Burke looks bad but I don't think he had anything to do with these girls' murders. Rest assured though the D will try to use this and other things to do the blizzard effect. And in that sense, cops, police chiefs, sheriffs, etc. need to get their sh*t together, do their job, and be trained to do such. or they are going to end up looking like this and what was a guy like him doing in office to begin with?

I am not talking politics but this area is full of them and this case was definitely affected by such.

I honestly could not even tell you who is who as far as what side. I liked Harrison a LOT and Tierney I'm more reserved on BUT he is pursuing this and finishing it and they all have to deal with such, people remaining in positions and more. Politics should NOT play into justice. EVER. But they do.

Okay. Clearly a waking up post. Long week post. Still, I'd say the same more fully awake. Lol.
 
They shouldn't be able to--ever imo.

Is he not on death row or maybe OR is no DP. Just awoke from a nap. Much needed but heck I've gotten little done. Just wiped.

But anyhow, what I mean is not fully awake yet.

Maybe he's just a lifer? I can look up when more fully awake, just not sure right now.

Either way why are they allowed to do this? He's pretty clearly a rightfully convicted serial killer. All his phone privileges should be limited imo. And his writing to another suspected serial killer too should be not allowed imo.

I mean I have to tell ya I don't know how things like this have become okay in this nation and how ridiculous it's all gotten. I also have to say and how some seem to think it's no big deal.

It's also darned odd how quickly these various serial killer families contacted each other and another SK himself. It's like there is some group and in fact I think that was said by one of the daughters, something about helping families of other SKs or some such. Now THAT would be maybe somewhat understandable but what I did not understand about that was that if they didn't know her, their immediate reaching out was weird to me because no one knew sh*t about her, whether she was involved or not, etc.

Personally I think Keri needs some serious help. I saw her on many a show. Happy's daughter, not as familiar with but she instantly does a GFM for Asa which I don't think raised much the last I ever knew.

I don't think it's a good idea for pedos to be in touch and I sure don't think it's a good idea for SKs to be in touch, or wannabe SKS.

Man, still waking up and will be dark soon, what a messed up day but anyhow only part of this is a response to your post, the rest is more my general thoughts/opinion.

But back to your post, yeah maybe if a collect call, it might have something to do with it, but I still don't think it should be possible. Now that I'm a bit more awake, I am guessing OR is no DP right? Makes sense just based on some other things or if it ever was, it isn't any longer...?
When i looked at the GFM it was increased several times as it reached the increasing targets and is now set at $100k. I'll add the link. $56k raised so far. The $25k was exceeded and the amount increased to $50k. The total raised is now at $56k with the target increased to $100k now.

 
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Serial killers calling in to podcast shows. Almost as good as serial killers kids setting up Go F yourself for other serial killers families.
NO SH*T? RIGHT? When one would think you know nothing about her at that point but you just instantly are that stupid and helpful and naive... Or do you? Or do you just wants attention yourself?

It's like wives. Some of these wives, serial killers or killer. I mean like KA in Delph too, and his mom, etc. I mean I GET it for a time or to a point...But there is no way KA didn't know that voice. I KNOW IT. THE JURY KNEW IT. THE ONE LISTENING TO ALL his calls knew it. SAme with the mannerisms, etc. but the VOICE. And this is her hub of decades. And then to top it off, he tells them it was HIM, he DID it and they cannot and will not accept that.

I could go on but that's a sidetrack.

To your post, such SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED. It's just like Motta having a seat in court each day and being a "friend" of KA... There are seriously good YTers out there, SM, attys, ex cops, etc. with shows but they all differ and yes there are SOME that are very much on an agenda. He is one of such.

And I will bet you dollars to donuts has been as involved as MW in all of it.

Yet Court TV and other shows have him on and it just shows me the b.s. going on. And junk news. And you know maybe Gull knows this this stuff is heading or coming to a head, it is a changing world with news and has been for a long time. So she disallowed all re cameras, recordings, whether traditional news or YTers there are good and bad in both.

That man though has a personal agenda, and I don't find him intelligent or wise or balanced nor calm. Not sure what he's on quite honestly.

But back to this, yes, why can they call podcast shows, a SK CAN??? A convicted one!! And children of SKs set up GFMs for other SK families... Like she needed it.... She played dher woe I some act while at the same time moving fast to protect their assets and got millions from a deal.

It's SICK. What is even sicker is that it seems it does not even phase some as this crazy sh*t just gets worse.

Okay normally it would probably be last night I did something like this the transition, but I had to go back in for a stupid meeting.

And so I guess it is tonight instead. Heck it is only 5 p.m. but been dark for how long, have not done laundry yet my main goal always on the first of the two days... Sigh...

Anyhow, back to the point and your post. RIGHT ON. It's a crazy world. And convicted SKs being able to call into shows?? NO. What are they thinking??
 
The whole Burke thing and coincidence is crazy. As is them looking at a cop in Massapequa Park with the right initials. As are the people on LI Shannon Gilbert had contact with that night. As also is the alleged cop that was swinging with his gf who talked to Ray and supposedly was swinging at CB's house and they picked up Karen Vergata and left her there... Add in all these awful politiics and b.s. and it's something else.

It leaves me wtih a picture or image of every cop and male out there is a sex addicted, murderous, corrupt weirdo.

It gives a bad image of all and the area even if that's not the case.

And that article says this is one of the highest paid PDs or was it SDS in the country or was it THE highest paid? They oughta be very good if that's the case. Hmm.

Had to protect Jiimmy though. Burke.

There's a lot here to suspect or create a conspiracy no doubt.

And where we will end up with our opinions there may differ as much as I did with you on RL and others versus RA.

I think it is just as likely that Burke simply didn't want anyone anywhere near his activities or his office and ways and finding out about such. Ddn't want the feds around for that reason and none did due to corrupt ways and departmens or being told how to do their job, the biggest, best LE agency in the country they probably felt right? Ha Ha.

So while for now, I will leave Burke on the sideline but leave him in this, I am pretty satisfied CB did this or at least the ones charged with and probably a number of the others with no conspiracy. I guess it's possible someone tried to help keep attention away from him but I get no impression he was a well liked or connected man but who knows...

What I think we all know and would agree on is this case and the people supposed to be investgating and far more and the politics over the years are one hot mess and they should be embarrassed as all he77. And what that made things like for the famllies, well unimaginable. First, their daughters, most, were sex workers and they have to defend the risky lifestyle if they choose to try to demand help on it. And then they've got this attitude this corruption, this political b.s. going on.

I don't think Burke was likely involved, I think he didn't want anyone NEAR him investigating anything to do with sex workers when he himself was living a lifestyle cruising for such, etc.

That's where I'm at with it, where are you at?

Although it would not surprise me if he has killed or had someone killed or silenced in his lifetime just as they beat the guy that stole his computer and case of sex toys and honestly how weird is that? Now THAT is weird. Why did somone do that... However they did not kill the man even then...

Burke is one sick pathetic SOB (no offense to his mother but who knows), no doubt. Yet someone put in in control. I don't know the politics on it but as I recall, he was just kind of appointed or some such... There was and perhaps still is a lot wrong in that area.

In that article too was the woman who is like a head of a group for making sex work noncriminal or some such, I forget the name but that's what it meant. Well I sure don't think that's the answer either, because then it will follow that the johns can't be charged.

In no way should these crimes have been ignored because most were sex workers but also it should never be looked at as a smart route in life and is a very dangerous thing to be doing and let's go back to just the few talked about here, this entire area seems to be huge with it, big city, major one in the nation, and how many people have been looked at as being LISK... How many had their sexual predilection/addiction going on with LE, etc. living secret lives. And one of the girls went into Manhattan just to do this so it is a huge area for such. Of course it is. Like Vegas for another example where CB also had a place. Not hard to find a sex worker and in fact if a well behaved man, you'd probably say you have to fight them off...

But I'm sidetracking big time after a messed up day off but much needed sleep, etc.

I guess what I mean at the core here is the sh* with Burke looks bad but I don't think he had anything to do with these girls' murders. Rest assured though the D will try to use this and other things to do the blizzard effect. And in that sense, cops, police chiefs, sheriffs, etc. need to get their sh*t together, do their job, and be trained to do such. or they are going to end up looking like this and what was a guy like him doing in office to begin with?

I am not talking politics but this area is full of them and this case was definitely affected by such.

I honestly could not even tell you who is who as far as what side. I liked Harrison a LOT and Tierney I'm more reserved on BUT he is pursuing this and finishing it and they all have to deal with such, people remaining in positions and more. Politics should NOT play into justice. EVER. But they do.

Okay. Clearly a waking up post. Long week post. Still, I'd say the same more fully awake. Lol.
There is some suggestion that the films that were stolen by the guy Burke beat up were snuff films. That would be another reason he was mad his bag of tricks were stolen. Obviously there is quite a bit we don't know, i think, about the corruption and/or cover up that seems to have gone on and prevented/protected CB from arrest in 2012 when he sold his pick-up to his brother.
 
Well who is volunteering to listen to it and give us all a precis?

Anyone?
Not me. In some respect I think it would be interestin but disturbing. @Mel70 may have even seen it already. She follows a lot of such. Where IS she, I'm actually a bit worried, don't get a lot of time to check on people and I am never in the basement but haven't seen her around in a bit. of course I understand though takinng a hiatius as well. I'm winding towards that.

Who knows, maybe later I will but doubtful. I can think of the SKs I've heard the things out of their mouth of and while telling where they think it is not, they are hard listens...

I will never ever forget Rader in court acting like he was owning up where he was giving details to the families and the courtroom and one could almost see that he was getting off on all this contro, details and running the room. YEP that's one I saw and will NEVER ever forget.. In fact talking of the children of such, his daughter imo is wallowing and needs to either go make a life or try to use this as her life, and use it to be known. Seriously. if anyone watched all of her things on like STS, it is pretty obvious.

I can't imagine having a messed up dad like that, do not get me wrong. Thank God I never had one. But I will say even the wives, in HINDSIGHT, now that's a different thing... All the sh*t you didn' understand or didn't make sense, or you let go makes perfect sense...

This is true of anything in life, it does not have to be a marriage of an SK or a daughter of such.

Yeah, you'd think this was the night I got home. Lol. But no, stupid meeting. Day laea nd lost of the two off. These random all over hours take their toll, and moe over time. I scheduled ffive off in January the first such in two years. IF approved. And no, that's not five with a weekend for a seven. It's three with my two off for a five.

However in between have the entire holiday and already stressed mgrs etc. season to go through. and schedule. I haven't had a ten hour in a long time and now I have some. Thanksgiving I may as well forget. Scheduled late and ten hours the day before and have to be in at 5:30 the day after. Then I lose my normal day off, it never gives an extra.

Yes I am whining and O/T.

Anyhow I am not watching it as it will result in a post worse than this. Is he calling into Motta's show lol? But not. I don't follow those kinds of channels.
 
Not me. In some respect I think it would be interestin but disturbing. @Mel70 may have even seen it already. She follows a lot of such. Where IS she, I'm actually a bit worried, don't get a lot of time to check on people and I am never in the basement but haven't seen her around in a bit. of course I understand though takinng a hiatius as well. I'm winding towards that.

Who knows, maybe later I will but doubtful. I can think of the SKs I've heard the things out of their mouth of and while telling where they think it is not, they are hard listens...

I will never ever forget Rader in court acting like he was owning up where he was giving details to the families and the courtroom and one could almost see that he was getting off on all this contro, details and running the room. YEP that's one I saw and will NEVER ever forget.. In fact talking of the children of such, his daughter imo is wallowing and needs to either go make a life or try to use this as her life, and use it to be known. Seriously. if anyone watched all of her things on like STS, it is pretty obvious.

I can't imagine having a messed up dad like that, do not get me wrong. Thank God I never had one. But I will say even the wives, in HINDSIGHT, now that's a different thing... All the sh*t you didn' understand or didn't make sense, or you let go makes perfect sense...

This is true of anything in life, it does not have to be a marriage of an SK or a daughter of such.

Yeah, you'd think this was the night I got home. Lol. But no, stupid meeting. Day laea nd lost of the two off. These random all over hours take their toll, and moe over time. I scheduled ffive off in January the first such in two years. IF approved. And no, that's not five with a weekend for a seven. It's three with my two off for a five.

However in between have the entire holiday and already stressed mgrs etc. season to go through. and schedule. I haven't had a ten hour in a long time and now I have some. Thanksgiving I may as well forget. Scheduled late and ten hours the day before and have to be in at 5:30 the day after. Then I lose my normal day off, it never gives an extra.

Yes I am whining and O/T.

Anyhow I am not watching it as it will result in a post worse than this. Is he calling into Motta's show lol? But not. I don't follow those kinds of channels.
I don't want to listen (it's not a video but a podcast) but i am hoping someone else will. If not then i guess i will have to.

Just to mention there is supposed to be legislation to stop families of killers profiting from deals like AE has done with Peacock. This article is from last December.

 

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