Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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I thought that might make your day. It is in the VF article but i have specifically copied pasta for you below. It is to the right of the door that looks like a LE officer is walking thru. In fact it looks like he may be going down into a cellar of sorts. See below extract including the pic. Its a big white square thing with wooden steps up into it. Just use two fingers on the image and spread them apart to enlarge.

"She stared past the crime scene tape and murmured, “I’d love to go inside there, just to see.”
Onlookers seemed both horrified and fascinated.
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An aerial view of a suburban home.


Investigators carted off evidence under the avid eyes of true-crime fans. Some had come just to meet police officers.Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
Well you taught me something new. I know I can do that on my phone at least with some images, but didn't know I could on the computer. This is a diff pic than the one I was looking at though, the cellar looked closed in that one, no man going in.

I figured this was where you were talking but when I couldn't see it big I thought who would put a hot tub where they'd just walk out of their back door and fall into it so was thinking it was a deck with a rug or something laying on it. I'm still not sure but it does look like a hot tub with a cover on it. Or could be a mattress.

It also strikes me always has, at the overgrown trees and such here, lack of windows, that home has to be pretty dark. And I get wanting privacy if one has close neighbors but this seems a bit past that. What is the green thing in the bottom right corner, another shed of some type? I mean can they even access it? Didn't even keep trees trimmed from being over the home. And what is the other white thing in the yard?
 
Well you taught me something new. I know I can do that on my phone at least with some images, but didn't know I could on the computer. This is a diff pic than the one I was looking at though, the cellar looked closed in that one, no man going in.

I figured this was where you were talking but when I couldn't see it big I thought who would put a hot tub where they'd just walk out of their back door and fall into it so was thinking it was a deck with a rug or something laying on it. I'm still not sure but it does look like a hot tub with a cover on it. Or could be a mattress.

It also strikes me always has, at the overgrown trees and such here, lack of windows, that home has to be pretty dark. And I get wanting privacy if one has close neighbors but this seems a bit past that. What is the green thing in the bottom right corner, another shed of some type? I mean can they even access it? Didn't even keep trees trimmed from being over the home. And what is the other white thing in the yard?
I think the green thing bottom right is a shed and the white thing to the left of that may be the roof of another smaller shed. The green fence at the bottom of the plot must be their boundary.
 
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I think the green thing bottom right is a shed and the white thing to the left of that may be the roof of another smaller shed. The green fence at the bottom of the plot must be their boundary.
Yeah that seems most likely to me as well with the green one. White not so sure of. Lots of sheds if that's the case.

Yeah it seems pretty clear all the things along the bottom part are the border with a neighboring property that probably backs up to theirs.

To me the things on all sides left to grow etc. shows lack of maintenance of course but also blocking views.

As all keep saying, the home sure did not fit the area, at least not these days, nor the yard I'd say.

The fact the basement has an outside entry like that old style one gives me a few fairly safe assumptions and knowing they remodeled almost nothing over decades, and that's that the basement is nothing special or great, MIGHT be dry, could be basic, but lucky if that. But of course if it was an important area to him...

All the onlooker comments or passersby were interesting... If I were nearby or even on a trip and near the area, would I go intentionally look?? I'm asking myself. I honestly don't think so, or make a point to, I don't think so.

Now if it were on my route or I had to go somewhere that took me right by it, would I try to glance? For sure. Go out of my way? Probably not.

There was one place I knew of the general area of and knew what highway it was on and it is the normal route for all of us from this state to the other. So when I did go eventually for a holiday or some such, I tried to figure out where it was and catch it, and so on, but I don't mean I stopped or pulled in or pulled over even, never even thought about doing such. I just had followed the case, it ws somewhat local, and wanted to see how close the neighbors were, how close the home to the road, things that had been discussed before the perp was caught, etc. I missed it I think each time or forgot but finally noted which one it was. And that's about it. That one was razed and I honestly think most should be for the sake of the surviving ones and because horror happened there. I don't agree though with doing so before a case is concluded like in the ID 4.

Anyhow I don't get these looky lous isn't that what they are called or used to be? It just isn't me so difficult to understand. Not at this stage of the thing anyhow.

It's different but we have an Al Capone's Hideout it is called I believe in the one state and sure, I've been there. They preserved stuff and of course it's a tourist kind of trap. Not the same though. Imo.

And some of them have their kids with.

I DID do the link lol. I don't always but did on that one. Tried to enlarge the pic to no avail til you put one up and told me how lol.

And if that IS a hot tub, like I said I don't like the pics that come to mind but the other thing that comes to mind is the swinging....
 
Yeah that seems most likely to me as well with the green one. White not so sure of. Lots of sheds if that's the case.

Yeah it seems pretty clear all the things along the bottom part are the border with a neighboring property that probably backs up to theirs.

To me the things on all sides left to grow etc. shows lack of maintenance of course but also blocking views.

As all keep saying, the home sure did not fit the area, at least not these days, nor the yard I'd say.

The fact the basement has an outside entry like that old style one gives me a few fairly safe assumptions and knowing they remodeled almost nothing over decades, and that's that the basement is nothing special or great, MIGHT be dry, could be basic, but lucky if that. But of course if it was an important area to him...

All the onlooker comments or passersby were interesting... If I were nearby or even on a trip and near the area, would I go intentionally look?? I'm asking myself. I honestly don't think so, or make a point to, I don't think so.

Now if it were on my route or I had to go somewhere that took me right by it, would I try to glance? For sure. Go out of my way? Probably not.

There was one place I knew of the general area of and knew what highway it was on and it is the normal route for all of us from this state to the other. So when I did go eventually for a holiday or some such, I tried to figure out where it was and catch it, and so on, but I don't mean I stopped or pulled in or pulled over even, never even thought about doing such. I just had followed the case, it ws somewhat local, and wanted to see how close the neighbors were, how close the home to the road, things that had been discussed before the perp was caught, etc. I missed it I think each time or forgot but finally noted which one it was. And that's about it. That one was razed and I honestly think most should be for the sake of the surviving ones and because horror happened there. I don't agree though with doing so before a case is concluded like in the ID 4.

Anyhow I don't get these looky lous isn't that what they are called or used to be? It just isn't me so difficult to understand. Not at this stage of the thing anyhow.

It's different but we have an Al Capone's Hideout it is called I believe in the one state and sure, I've been there. They preserved stuff and of course it's a tourist kind of trap. Not the same though. Imo.

And some of them have their kids with.

I DID do the link lol. I don't always but did on that one. Tried to enlarge the pic to no avail til you put one up and told me how lol.

And if that IS a hot tub, like I said I don't like the pics that come to mind but the other thing that comes to mind is the swinging....
What came to my mind was the hot tub was close to the cellar door. Easy to get the victim down in the cellar from the hot tub. Also all the overgrown vegetation and sheds hid the back of the house from neighbours.
 
What came to my mind was the hot tub was close to the cellar door. Easy to get the victim down in the cellar from the hot tub. Also all the overgrown vegetation and sheds hid the back of the house from neighbours.
I did think of that too. Wife gone. Gets and escort or prostitute. His thing really seemed to be at a point anyhow getting them back to his house. LI probably sounded like what many think, nicer area, maybe mentioned hot tub. Gets them yes into the hot tub and then who knows... But YES they are close to each other.

The hot tub (if it is one and seems likely) and the stairs. I did mention the vegetation, etc., it really shielded from all sides. Instantly noticeable.

Or when Asa was even home too, I am nowhere near thinking she never knew of anything.

But sticking to CB for the moment here.

I am trying to recall the last time I have been down outdoor cellar steps like that. I know of them, I've certainly when a child, etc. been at places they had such, but over time most got rid of and put in a way inside or the house was gone, if it still existed that kind of cellar entrance was gone with improving places. I mean to me, it is very ODD to see one of those nowadays AND I have seen them and am in probably a far more rural kind of area, city even area of the country. They are just something you took out over the decades.

I am so curious about the things that are hard to find out. I mean the guy never moved out of home for his entire life allegedly. That belt is speculated to be grandpa's. Not sure about a lot about his died but he died and school kids adults now say he had to get home due to his mom. Like some strange attachment or maybe even a love/hate or control. Not for any excuse but I truly think there may be something that runs through this family or at least he uses something in his sick twisted ways... Same home always... Basically few improvements through any generation there...

Kind of like the neighbors say too, so odd, lived in this dump of a home but then came out in the morning in a nice suit like some major businessman.

It's interesting is all I mean... And in almost any case, I'd like to know more about that kind of stuff that we don't always hear. Personally I have thoughts about his marriage with Asa. But of course I can't know because not enough is known.

But back to your point, yes, hot tub to cellar doors, all the coverage, it fits. I also think it's an unusual number of sheds if all such things are sheds. Some of those may be there too though to block view.

And I hope he never tastes butter again. Who knows, that was between serial killers, maybe it's a code word.
 
Doubtful.
You sure about that? There is an official term murderbilia for a reason.

 
Justice for Valerie finally, after 24 years ......



LONG ISLAND - Suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann has been charged with the murder of Valerie Mack, whose partial skeletal remains were discovered in a wooded area in Manorville, Long Island, 24 years ago.

Heuermann was arraigned in a Suffolk County court on a superseding indictment, adding a new charge of second-degree murder.


"Your honor I’m not guilty of any of these charges," Heuermann said Tuesday, speaking for the first time.





Before today's newest charge, Heuermann was charged with killing six women whose remains were found on Long Island, and has pleaded not guilty. He was initially charged in the deaths of three women in 2023, and was subsequently charged in three more earlier this year.

The families of murder victims, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, Amber Lynn Costello, Jessica Taylor, and Shannan Gilbert appeared alongside Gloria Alred, who represents the victims of the Gilgo murders at the press conference Tuesday.

Valerie's parents were not in attendance but the Suffolk County DA says that the family was thankful for the "little bit of closure."

Who was Valerie Mack?

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Valerie Mack in 2000. (Courtesy of Suffolk County Police Department)
Valerie Mack, 24, worked as an escort in Philadelphia under the alias "Melissa Taylor."

She was last seen by her family in Port Republic, New Jersey, in the spring or summer of 2000 but was never reported missing.

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Valerie Mack in 1998. (Courtesy of Suffolk County Police Department)
Her partial remains were found on Mill Road in Manorville back in 2000, and additional remains were discovered in 2011 during the search for Shannan Gilbert on Ocean Parkway.

Advances in DNA technology, along with help from the FBI, led to the positive identification of the remains once known as "Jane Doe #6."
 
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You sure about that? There is an official term murderbilia for a reason.


Rifkin is sentenced to 203 years to life. I think 203 years should cover life.
 

LONG ISLAND - Suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann has been charged with the murder of Valerie Mack, whose partial skeletal remains were discovered in a wooded area in Manorville, Long Island, 24 years ago.

Heuermann was arraigned in a Suffolk County court on a superseding indictment, adding a new charge of second-degree murder.


"Your honor I’m not guilty of any of these charges," Heuermann said Tuesday, speaking for the first time.

Partial remains of Taylor who was an escort working in New York City, were located in a wooded area in Manorville on July 26, 2003.
Additional remains of Taylor were discovered on March 29, 2011 along Ocean Parkway during the search for Shannan Gilbert.



Before today's newest charge, Heuermann was charged with killing six women whose remains were found on Long Island, and has pleaded not guilty. He was initially charged in the deaths of three women in 2023, and was subsequently charged in three more earlier this year.

The families of murder victims, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, Amber Lynn Costello, Jessica Taylor, and Shannan Gilbert appeared alongside Gloria Alred, who represents the victims of the Gilgo murders at the press conference Tuesday.

Valerie's parents were not in attendance but the Suffolk County DA says that the family was thankful for the "little bit of closure."

Who was Valerie Mack?

SCPD-Valerie-Mack-2000.jpg

Valerie Mack in 2000. (Courtesy of Suffolk County Police Department)
Valerie Mack, 24, worked as an escort in Philadelphia under the alias "Melissa Taylor."

She was last seen by her family in Port Republic, New Jersey, in the spring or summer of 2000 but was never reported missing.

SCPD-Valerie-Mack-1998.jpg

Valerie Mack in 1998. (Courtesy of Suffolk County Police Department)
Her partial remains were found on Mill Road in Manorville back in 2000, and additional remains were discovered in 2011 during the search for Shannan Gilbert on Ocean Parkway.

Advances in DNA technology, along with help from the FBI, led to the positive identification of the remains once known as "Jane Doe #6."

Your honor I'm not guilty of these crimes.

Why didn't he just say so before? Damn the DNA!! Why would somebody lie about that?
 
Justice for Valerie finally, after 24 years ......



LONG ISLAND - Suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann has been charged with the murder of Valerie Mack, whose partial skeletal remains were discovered in a wooded area in Manorville, Long Island, 24 years ago.

Heuermann was arraigned in a Suffolk County court on a superseding indictment, adding a new charge of second-degree murder.


"Your honor I’m not guilty of any of these charges," Heuermann said Tuesday, speaking for the first time.





Before today's newest charge, Heuermann was charged with killing six women whose remains were found on Long Island, and has pleaded not guilty. He was initially charged in the deaths of three women in 2023, and was subsequently charged in three more earlier this year.

The families of murder victims, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, Amber Lynn Costello, Jessica Taylor, and Shannan Gilbert appeared alongside Gloria Alred, who represents the victims of the Gilgo murders at the press conference Tuesday.

Valerie's parents were not in attendance but the Suffolk County DA says that the family was thankful for the "little bit of closure."

Who was Valerie Mack?

SCPD-Valerie-Mack-2000.jpg

Valerie Mack in 2000. (Courtesy of Suffolk County Police Department)
Valerie Mack, 24, worked as an escort in Philadelphia under the alias "Melissa Taylor."

She was last seen by her family in Port Republic, New Jersey, in the spring or summer of 2000 but was never reported missing.

SCPD-Valerie-Mack-1998.jpg

Valerie Mack in 1998. (Courtesy of Suffolk County Police Department)
Her partial remains were found on Mill Road in Manorville back in 2000, and additional remains were discovered in 2011 during the search for Shannan Gilbert on Ocean Parkway.

Advances in DNA technology, along with help from the FBI, led to the positive identification of the remains once known as "Jane Doe #6."
Holy moly. I mean we knew it was coming or figured it was but wow, here it is.

I do wish I could keep the victims straight, and details, I am not very good at that part. In this case anyhow. I have all straight like in Daybell and others.

He spoke in court and denied all? I have not even taken this in yet, even though it was hinted to be coming.

So her body was scattered per the part under the pic. In trying to keep them straight.

This is all so sad. How he took advantage of vulnerable people.

I know he isn't convicted yet but if we are told the truth he did every single one charged with. They get their evidence and cross the t and dot the i before charging.

Again we figured it might be coming but then took a bit and here it is...
 
Your honor I'm not guilty of these crimes.

Why didn't he just say so before? Damn the DNA!! Why would somebody lie about that?
Please tell me you don't think him innocent. That phrase with me as well resonated and was noted, he talks now, okay....

In this climate right now and yes in this one there is DNA, not all is his but his family's etc. in various ones.

Wait for it to come and be twisted, I can see it coming. He and his wife have known exactly what they are doing almost from day one it seems to me.

I am thinking we are agreeing here but not sure.

I know to you a big thing is DNA. I am thinking you mean it as how could he say he is innocent? But not sure and of course at some point a defense will come with a blizzard effect.

I know I keep asking this but has anyone heard from Mel?
 
Holy moly. I mean we knew it was coming or figured it was but wow, here it is.

I do wish I could keep the victims straight, and details, I am not very good at that part. In this case anyhow. I have all straight like in Daybell and others.

He spoke in court and denied all? I have not even taken this in yet, even though it was hinted to be coming.

So her body was scattered per the part under the pic. In trying to keep them straight.

This is all so sad. How he took advantage of vulnerable people.

I know he isn't convicted yet but if we are told the truth he did every single one charged with. They get their evidence and cross the t and dot the i before charging.

Again we figured it might be coming but then took a bit and here it is...
Karen Vergata and her children are still waiting, 29 years come February and this POS claims innocence. She must be next, which would be his 8th victim.

Would this make him one of the most prolific SKs, if found guilty? If not, who has killed more?

He would fall between number 7 and number 6 below.

Number 7 Jack the Ripper (5 known victims) and number 6 Dahmer (17 victims)


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7 of History's Most Notorious Serial Killers​

Written by

Tim Newcomb
Fact-checked by

The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
Strictly speaking, a serial killer is someone who murders at least two people in separate events that occur at different times. While “serial murder” is not formalized by any legal code, the crimes of serial killers have often been seized on by the media and the public consciousness—especially in cases where there are many victims or the murders are carried out in gruesome fashion. The following list explores some of the most notorious serial killers the world has ever known.
  • Jack the Ripper​

    We call him “Jack the Ripper,” but we don’t really know who the person behind one of the older and most notorious murder sprees was. The killer appeared in London’s Whitechapel district in 1888 and murdered five women—all prostitutes—and mutilated their corpses. Police surmised the killer was a surgeon, butcher, or someone skilled with a scalpel. The killer mocked the community and the police by sending letters outlining the acts. Although many suspects have been named over the years, the killer has never been identified.
  • Jeffrey Dahmer​

    Jeffrey Dahmer started killing in 1978, just 18 years old, and wasn’t arrested for murder until 1991, after a would-be victim escaped and led police back to Dahmer’s Milwaukee, Wisconsin, home. It was there that some of the gruesome details of his life of killing were seen via photos of mutilated bodies and body parts strewn across the apartment. He even had a vat of acid he used to dispose of victims. In all, Dahmer killed 17 people, mostly young men of color. He served time in prison twice—the first time for molestation and the second time for murder—and was killed by a fellow inmate in 1994.
  • Harold Shipman​

    Harold Shipman, also known as “Dr. Death,” is believed to have killed an estimated 250 patients. This doctor practiced in Greater Manchester, England, and between 1972 and 1998 he worked in two difference offices, killing all the while. He wasn’t caught until a red flag was raised by several people, including an undertaker who was surprised by the sheer number of cremation certificates Shipman was a part of, along with the fact that most of the cases were elderly women found to have died in bed not at night but rather during the day. Police mishandled the investigation, and Shipman kept killing until he got greedy and tried to concoct a will for a victim that named him beneficiary, which led the victim’s daughter to become suspicious. He was finally convicted in 2000 and committed suicide while in prison in 2004.
  • John Wayne Gacy​

    A construction worker known by his suburban neighbors as outgoing, John Wayne Gacy was involved in politics and even acted as a clown for birthday parties. He was no clown. Gacy came under suspicion in 1978 when a 15-year-old boy, last seen with him, went missing. That wasn’t the only time families of missing boys had pointed fingers at Gacy, but it was the first time authorities took them seriously. Soon after, a search warrant granted police access to the Gacy home, with the smell of nearly 30 bodies buried in a four-foot crawl space under his home. He was convicted of 33 counts of murder, with additional counts of rape and torture, and was executed by lethal injection in 1994.
  • H.H. Holmes​

    Chicago has had its share of killers, but perhaps none more haunting than H.H. Holmes, the pharmacist who turned a hotel into a torture castle. Ahead of the 1893 world’s fair, Holmes moved to Chicago and started outfitting a three-story hotel with all manner of nefarious contraptions, including gas lines, secret passages and trapdoors, hallways to dead ends, chutes to the basement, soundproofed padding, and torture devices strewn throughout a maze. The gas allowed Holmes to knock out his guests before the worst of what was to happen came next, often on his surgical tables. He then burned the bodies in the building’s furnace, selling skeletons to medical schools and running life insurance scams. In all, he copped to more than 30 murders—found only after a fellow scammer turned him in for falling short on a financial agreement—before he was hanged in 1896.
  • Pedro Lopez​

    One of the world’s most prolific serial killers might still be out there. Pedro Lopez is linked to more than 300 murders in his native Colombia and in Ecuador and Peru. At least one-third of those murders were tribal women. After Lopez’s arrest in 1980, police found the graves of more than 50 of his preteen victims. He was later convicted of murdering 110 girls in Ecuador and confessed to 240 more murders in Colombia and Peru. The “Monster of the Andes” didn’t even spend 20 years in prison, as he was released in 1998 for good behavior. More than 20 years since, his whereabouts remain unknown.
  • Ted Bundy​

    Ted Bundy loved the attention his murders garnered him, and many in the United States were more than happy to give him that attention. The western U.S. was his hunting ground, with an unknown number of murders piling up—mostly college-age women—from Washington and Oregon all the way to Utah and Colorado. Bundy was once arrested in Colorado and convicted of kidnapping, but he escaped custody, moving to Florida where he killed multiple times more. Bundy’s final arrest and its aftermath captured the attention of the nation, as the accused murderer acted as his own lawyer during what is believed to have been the first televised murder trial, welcomed interviews, and boasted of the fans he had created. He was eventually executed in an electric chair in 1989.
 
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Karen Vergata and her children are still waiting, 29 years come February and this POS claims innocence. She must be next, which would be his 8th victim.

Would this make him one of the most prolific SKs, if found guilty? If not, who has killed more?

He would fall between number 7 and number 6 below.

Number 7 Jack the Ripper (5 known victims) and number 6 Dahmer (17 victims)


Shadow of a man holding large knife in his hand inside of some dark, spooky buiding

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7 of History's Most Notorious Serial Killers​

Written by

Tim Newcomb
Fact-checked by

The Editors of Encyclopaedia Britannica
Strictly speaking, a serial killer is someone who murders at least two people in separate events that occur at different times. While “serial murder” is not formalized by any legal code, the crimes of serial killers have often been seized on by the media and the public consciousness—especially in cases where there are many victims or the murders are carried out in gruesome fashion. The following list explores some of the most notorious serial killers the world has ever known.
  • Jack the Ripper​

    We call him “Jack the Ripper,” but we don’t really know who the person behind one of the older and most notorious murder sprees was. The killer appeared in London’s Whitechapel district in 1888 and murdered five women—all prostitutes—and mutilated their corpses. Police surmised the killer was a surgeon, butcher, or someone skilled with a scalpel. The killer mocked the community and the police by sending letters outlining the acts. Although many suspects have been named over the years, the killer has never been identified.
  • Jeffrey Dahmer​

    Jeffrey Dahmer started killing in 1978, just 18 years old, and wasn’t arrested for murder until 1991, after a would-be victim escaped and led police back to Dahmer’s Milwaukee, Wisconsin, home. It was there that some of the gruesome details of his life of killing were seen via photos of mutilated bodies and body parts strewn across the apartment. He even had a vat of acid he used to dispose of victims. In all, Dahmer killed 17 people, mostly young men of color. He served time in prison twice—the first time for molestation and the second time for murder—and was killed by a fellow inmate in 1994.
  • Harold Shipman​

    Harold Shipman, also known as “Dr. Death,” is believed to have killed an estimated 250 patients. This doctor practiced in Greater Manchester, England, and between 1972 and 1998 he worked in two difference offices, killing all the while. He wasn’t caught until a red flag was raised by several people, including an undertaker who was surprised by the sheer number of cremation certificates Shipman was a part of, along with the fact that most of the cases were elderly women found to have died in bed not at night but rather during the day. Police mishandled the investigation, and Shipman kept killing until he got greedy and tried to concoct a will for a victim that named him beneficiary, which led the victim’s daughter to become suspicious. He was finally convicted in 2000 and committed suicide while in prison in 2004.
  • John Wayne Gacy​

    A construction worker known by his suburban neighbors as outgoing, John Wayne Gacy was involved in politics and even acted as a clown for birthday parties. He was no clown. Gacy came under suspicion in 1978 when a 15-year-old boy, last seen with him, went missing. That wasn’t the only time families of missing boys had pointed fingers at Gacy, but it was the first time authorities took them seriously. Soon after, a search warrant granted police access to the Gacy home, with the smell of nearly 30 bodies buried in a four-foot crawl space under his home. He was convicted of 33 counts of murder, with additional counts of rape and torture, and was executed by lethal injection in 1994.
  • H.H. Holmes​

    Chicago has had its share of killers, but perhaps none more haunting than H.H. Holmes, the pharmacist who turned a hotel into a torture castle. Ahead of the 1893 world’s fair, Holmes moved to Chicago and started outfitting a three-story hotel with all manner of nefarious contraptions, including gas lines, secret passages and trapdoors, hallways to dead ends, chutes to the basement, soundproofed padding, and torture devices strewn throughout a maze. The gas allowed Holmes to knock out his guests before the worst of what was to happen came next, often on his surgical tables. He then burned the bodies in the building’s furnace, selling skeletons to medical schools and running life insurance scams. In all, he copped to more than 30 murders—found only after a fellow scammer turned him in for falling short on a financial agreement—before he was hanged in 1896.
  • Pedro Lopez​

    One of the world’s most prolific serial killers might still be out there. Pedro Lopez is linked to more than 300 murders in his native Colombia and in Ecuador and Peru. At least one-third of those murders were tribal women. After Lopez’s arrest in 1980, police found the graves of more than 50 of his preteen victims. He was later convicted of murdering 110 girls in Ecuador and confessed to 240 more murders in Colombia and Peru. The “Monster of the Andes” didn’t even spend 20 years in prison, as he was released in 1998 for good behavior. More than 20 years since, his whereabouts remain unknown.
  • Ted Bundy​

    Ted Bundy loved the attention his murders garnered him, and many in the United States were more than happy to give him that attention. The western U.S. was his hunting ground, with an unknown number of murders piling up—mostly college-age women—from Washington and Oregon all the way to Utah and Colorado. Bundy was once arrested in Colorado and convicted of kidnapping, but he escaped custody, moving to Florida where he killed multiple times more. Bundy’s final arrest and its aftermath captured the attention of the nation, as the accused murderer acted as his own lawyer during what is believed to have been the first televised murder trial, welcomed interviews, and boasted of the fans he had created. He was eventually executed in an electric chair in 1989.
My God. First thing I saw on awakening. These are chilling. Pretty sure I knew of all of them, 2 were not as familiar or I just didn't recall well and one possibly still out there? There's probably more even.

AND released for good behavior???
 
My God. First thing I saw on awakening. These are chilling. Pretty sure I knew of all of them, 2 were not as familiar or I just didn't recall well and one possibly still out there? There's probably more even.

AND released for good behavior???
I am interested in all but I am very interested in finding out if the Vergata story is fact. Or if they were able to corroborate it.
 
I think he probably did already plead not guilty but nobody believes him except his wife.
And that is if she really does or it benefits her to say so. If the Vergata story is true, it changes everything in that she knew... Or certainly should have. The woman is not stupid... She moved immediately to protect all assets and she's got help imo.

Life at times IS stranger than fiction...
 

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (AP) — The New York architect facing murder charges in a string of deaths known as the Gilgo Beach killings was charged on Tuesday in the death of a seventh woman.

Rex Heuermann pleaded not guilty to killing Valerie Mack, whose remains were first found on Long Island in 2000. Mack, 24, had been working as an escort in Philadelphia and was last seen by her family that year in New Jersey.

Some of Mack’s skeletal remains were initially discovered in Manorville, New York; authorities found more of her remains about 50 miles (80 kilometers) west, in Gilgo Beach, more than 10 years later. They were unidentified until genetic testing revealed her identity in 2020.

Human hair found with Mack’s remains was sent for testing earlier this year and found to be a likely match with the genetic profile of Heuermann’s daughter, prosecutors said in court papers. His daughter is not accused of any wrongdoing and would have been 3 or 4 years old when Mack died.

Heuermann, 61, is charged with killing six other women whose remains were found on Long Island. He has pleaded not guilty to all the charges.


“The lives of these women matter,” Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said at a news conference with Mack's parents and other victims' relatives. “No one understands that more than the families.”

Mack's parents didn't speak. Four other victims' relatives gave the Macks roses and hugs and, through an attorney, expressed their sadness and solidarity.

“They were, and they are, loved. And they are missed every day by those who knew them and who had a strong bond with them,” said Gloria Allred, who represents the families of Melissa Barthelemy, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, Jessica Taylor and Megan Waterman.

Outside of court, Heuermann’s lawyer Michael Brown disputed evidence presented in Mack’s death, saying the DNA technology used to connect her and other victims to Heuermann has never been deemed reliable in a New York case.

He also argued that Tierney’s office has yet to produce proof any victims’ DNA was found in Heuermann’s home, including the many weapons and tools seized during recent searches of the property.


“There’s something a little weird about these allegations,” Brown said. “Something that doesn’t sit right.”

The investigation into the Gilgo Beach killings dates back to 2010, when police searching for a missing woman found 10 sets of human remains in the scrub along a barrier island parkway, prompting fears of a serial killer.

Over the years, investigators used DNA analysis and other clues to identify the victims, many of whom were sex workers. Police also began reexamining other unsolved killings of women on Long Island.

The case has dragged on through five police commissioners, more than 1,000 tips, and doubts about whether there was a serial killer at all.

Heuermann, who lived with his wife and two children in Massapequa Park on Long Island and commuted to a Manhattan architecture office, was arrested on July 13, 2023. At that point, he was charged with murdering Barthelemy, Waterman and Amber Lynn Costello.


Earlier this year, he was charged in the deaths of three other women — Brainard-Barnes, Taylor and Sandra Costilla.

In a June court filing, prosecutors said they had recovered a file on a hard drive in Heuermann’s basement that he used to “methodically blueprint” his killings — including checklists with tasks for before, during and after, as well as lessons for “next time.”

In court papers on Tuesday, prosecutors said the document, which was created the same year as Mack’s murder, includes details that align with her case.

For example, it names “Mill Road” — a road near where Mack’s first remains were found — under the heading “DS,” which investigators believe stands for “dump site.”

The document also lists “foam drain cleaner” under “Supplies.” Prosecutors say that on Oct. 3, 2000, Heuermann’s phone records appear to show him making two calls to a Long Island plumbing company, and he paid another company the following month to check his mainline drain.


In recent searches of Heuermann’s home and office, authorities say they found old magazines and newspapers with articles about the Gilgo Beach killings and investigation that prosecutors believe he kept as “souvenirs” or “mementos.” Among them was a July 29, 2003, copy of the New York Post that included an article about the investigation into Mack and Taylor’s remains.

Tierney said Tuesday that evidence points to Heuermann’s home as the scene of the killings — in most cases, when his family was out of town.

Heuermann’s estranged wife, Asa Ellerup, said in a statement that she still does not believe her husband was capable of committing the crimes he’s accused of.

The couple’s now grown children said in a separate statement they remain “steadfast in observing the legal process play itself out, no matter how long it takes or how difficult it is.”

Authorities have still not charged anyone in the deaths of some other people whose remains were found on Long Island.


Among them is an unidentified male victim who died in 2006 and likely presented outwardly as a female, and Karen Vergata, whose remains were discovered in 1996 but only identified through new DNA analysis in 2022.

___ Associated Press writer Jennifer Peltz contributed from New York.

Copyright 2024 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.

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At a news conference, Gloria Allred, the attorney representing some victims' families says they wanted to be there to send a message of support to Valerie Mack's family.
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This undated photo provided by the Suffolk County, New York, Police Department, Thursday May 28, 2020, shows Valerie Mack who went missing in 2000. The New York architect accused in a string of deaths known as the Gilgo Beach killings has been charged in the death of a seventh woman. Rex Heuermann was charged Tuesday with killing Valerie Mack. (Suffolk County Police Department via AP, File)
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Rex A. Heuermann speaks during a court proceeding inside Supreme Court Justice Timothy Mazzei's courtroom at Suffolk County Court in Riverhead, N.Y. on Tuesday, Dec. 17, 2024. (James Carbone/Newsday via AP, Pool)
 
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