Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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That's why I want to know on that one more than any. Of course I care about them all but it would indicate a likely knowledge by Asa.

In the presser, it was a daughter's hair here it seems, or likely, in Mack I mean. And he does talk of the likelihoods and percentages and this better testing, etc.

It has to be hard to go back on very old purposely messed up cases and get evidence. But unless I'm wrong, so far is there not a hair or some such in every single one they have charged?
Yes and they said the daughter was 3 or 4 at the time of Valerie's murder, which is estimated at 2 to 8 weeks prior to her discovery on 19th Nov 2000. So the daughter must have turned 4 in that 6 week period. Which therefore means she was born roughly sometime between 10th Sep '96 and 5th Nov '96 approximately. We always wanted to know her birth date to see if the pregnancy mentioned by the Vergata witness checks out, which it does seem to. For CB's wife to be pregnant on 14th Feb '96 would mean she would have been approx 2 months pregnant then. So that witness' affidavit has a lot of credibility now IMO.
 
Yes and they said the daughter was 3 or 4 at the time of Valerie's murder, which is estimated at 2 to 8 weeks prior to her discovery on 19th Nov 2000. So the daughter must have turned 4 in that 6 week period. Which therefore means she was born roughly sometime between 10th Sep '96 and 5th Nov '96 approximately. We always wanted to know her birth date to see if the pregnancy mentioned by the Vergata witness checks out, which it does seem to. For CB's wife to be pregnant on 14th Feb '96 would mean she would have been approx 2 months pregnant then. So that witness' affidavit has a lot of credibility now IMO.
I thought we had done the math on that part? Or was it that we just knew her age and the likely year she was born?
 
I thought we had done the math on that part? Or was it that we just knew her age and the likely year she was born?
We knew she was allegedly pregnant in Feb '96 but we didnt know how far gone she was. Now we know the birthdate to be between Sept and Nov that year with this new info, that confirms it IMO. So to my mind this means at least two murders early on at which the wife was present.
 
We knew she was allegedly pregnant in Feb '96 but we didnt know how far gone she was. Now we know the birthdate to be between Sept and Nov that year with this new info, that confirms it IMO. So to my mind this means at least two murders early on at which the wife was present.
I follow that reasoning but would still like more confirmation, like by LE of any part of the story. And are they saying three or four just because they are guessing based on her age...?

So who do you mean with the second? Mack? Tierney said they couldn't confirm basically if the family was home or not.

Don't get me wrong, I fully believe she was likely home for some of them but I'd still like to know with certainty. There is though always too the possibility when she was home he did not bring them home. I just wish we had more actual facts on such is all.
 
Even if she was home, there is still the possibility she did not know any woman was being held against her will. We've seen it in other cases...
It's possible I guess but if the Vergata story is true, she didn't see a terrified woman running naked around her own home...? I guess that's one reason I'd like to see that one confirmed because it changes a lot of things or would imo.

Now they can't say if she was or not with Mack and just days before that she's talking of moving out of state if she already hasn't. They maybe want to watch to be sure she doesn't flee the country.

I can't say whether she knew or not but I guess I am just saying she isn't clear in my book. Not yet.
 
It's possible I guess but if the Vergata story is true, she didn't see a terrified woman running naked around her own home...? I guess that's one reason I'd like to see that one confirmed because it changes a lot of things or would imo.

Now they can't say if she was or not with Mack and just days before that she's talking of moving out of state if she already hasn't. They maybe want to watch to be sure she doesn't flee the country.

I can't say whether she knew or not but I guess I am just saying she isn't clear in my book. Not yet.
I failed to say I don't think she's clear yet either. Whether LE Thinks so it doesn't seem so but just my opinion. If she was home and hasn't admitted that yet now would be a good time to do so
 
I failed to say I don't think she's clear yet either. Whether LE Thinks so it doesn't seem so but just my opinion. If she was home and hasn't admitted that yet now would be a good time to do so
I know LE has said as much or at least made it sound like she's clear from the beginning, but they cannot KNOW that imo and I feel it may be a tactic, hard to say. The only dates truly known and only in some are the days last seen, not when killed.

Yeah she should admit it if so but she's also lawyered up.

I can't imagine what defense he could have other than to try to pin her or the daughter... I'm not saying he will but he doesn't have many options imo.
 
I follow that reasoning but would still like more confirmation, like by LE of any part of the story. And are they saying three or four just because they are guessing based on her age...?

So who do you mean with the second? Mack? Tierney said they couldn't confirm basically if the family was home or not.

Don't get me wrong, I fully believe she was likely home for some of them but I'd still like to know with certainty. There is though always too the possibility when she was home he did not bring them home. I just wish we had more actual facts on such is all.
No, they know the daughter's age exactly but the date of death is not exact - it is between 2 and 8 weeks prior to her discovery. So they have a 6 week window the hair of the 3-4 year old daughter got on the victim. The daughter may not have been present at the actual time of the murder as the hair could have been shed in the house before the murder or could have been a transfer from CB himself.
 
No, they know the daughter's age exactly but the date of death is not exact - it is between 2 and 8 weeks prior to her discovery. So they have a 6 week window the hair of the 3-4 year old daughter got on the victim. The daughter may not have been present at the actual time of the murder as the hair could have been shed in the house before the murder or could have been a transfer from CB himself.
The date of deaths in none are exact and never will be imo. The date going missing and last seen or talked to in some may be but not all.

To DNA, I've said this a few times today in various threads but many think it is the gold standard but touch or transfer DNA is not. However, there are so many hairs from the three of them on different victims that it is very significant imo. I mean I can't even tell you how many hairs I take off a shirt or something between cats, my own hair, etc. If I am at my mom's I have others. At my daughter's, etc. It's not like a rape kit kind of DNA or under fingernails.

In Delphi for goodness sakes, it is ridiculous that would even be thought of as exculpatory evidence or whatever. They had some of the sister's clothes on and so forth.

And I think I have said this once before but DNA is NOT direct evidence, it is circumstantial.

What is CB going to say in a defense, that he happened to have sex with a number of these women right before they died to explain a NUMBER of family hairs amongst various victims? All unrelated and at different times? Would anyone buy that? If so, they are seriously lacking in common sense.

But the touch and transfer thing needs to come back to home base. I can't leave this house and go to work without a cat hair on me although I try. Or my own hair. And once in awhile I give a coworker a ride home and the next day it is like that isn't any of ours so where the heck did that come from. I think that's far more subjective than DNA found in some areas. Under fingernails, of course from being SA'ed, etc.

Seriously what is going to be his defense does anyone think? All the wife and daughter and his hairs SODDI (hey I remembered what it stood for!). NO, too many, they would have to be planted or claimed to be. NOT believable. Of course the science is updated and newer so that may be attacked.

OR he is going to have to blame his wife or daughter. What the F else does he have?

Going to give some credit here for once in that I think they are taking their time and ensuring they have enough, crossing the I and dotting the T on each charge.

Of course I do not doubt a blizzard and turned around will be tried, my GOD it's a big case and the attn that will be on it...

But back to your post, I am a bit windy, there are too many that imo he can claim SODDI and on various victims from his family no mattter HOW they got there.

Hey we have RA's sentencing tomorrow!!! So happy for the families who I guarantee are stressed right now, but a day long waited for.

And KA will cry and it will be reported and I feel like an awful person as I can't muster up much sympathy. Just being honest.

Everyone I have heard from that attended that trial and was not decided felt it was proven to them.

She was there too and needs to get her head out of the clouds of denial.
 
It's possible I guess but if the Vergata story is true, she didn't see a terrified woman running naked around her own home...? I guess that's one reason I'd like to see that one confirmed because it changes a lot of things or would imo.

Now they can't say if she was or not with Mack and just days before that she's talking of moving out of state if she already hasn't. They maybe want to watch to be sure she doesn't flee the country.

I can't say whether she knew or not but I guess I am just saying she isn't clear in my book. Not yet.
The only reason they cannot tie her down to being present is because they don't have an exact date of death. Just a six week window. I don't really understand how LE don't know exactly when Valerie went missing but i guess these women had nobody to report their absence and LE certainly never gave a toss.

All this going on for years and nobody noticed or heard anything. Makes me wonder about the neighbours too.
 
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The only reason they cannot tie her down to being present is because they don't have an exact date of death. Just a six week window. I don't really understand how LE don't know exactly when Valerie went missing but i guess these women had nobody to report their absence and LE certainly never gave a toss.

All this going on for years and nobody noticed or heard anything. Makes me wonder about the neighbours too.
Oh I know and totally agree, far as I am concerned they have no idea of date of DEATH with any of them. Now that's not this guy's fault but the freaking messed up investigation through the years, etc. but from the very first day when CB was fir arrested and pressers, they have been saying wife was not home. YEAH may not when went missing. They cannot know the day of death.

There is NO WAY they can clear her that I have seen so far. Her hearing nothing and living in the home is bad enough but yeah, neighbors, one wonders too. I don't think they are likely involved but sometimes people just ignore things and mind their own business who knows...

IMO no one has cleared Asa or any of them and should not be saying that unless they want to provide what proves that. And how they would know the date of death, how long kept and tortured, etc.

You can TELL how close that home is to others from that last pic you put up. It is pretty darned weird. Of course, many just mind their own business.

HER though, hmmm... Not so sure.

I really want the Vergata story confirmed because that most definitely puts her there. I know I've said it before. And lo and behold right after an announcement from her atty that she is moving, we get ANOTHER murder charged, one they can't confirm if she was home or not. Maybe means nothing, hard to say...

I don't know how many have dealt with like a cheating hub but I can tell you if I was gone, like anytime I went anywhere planned, like I went with my mom one time to her relatives in another state and of course he knew it, I ALWAYS came home to something off.. Of course I gave the benefit of the doubt at first, and there was always some explanation but you do pick up on these things. In less years I was over any denial, than the length of their marriage, and from the start of running into such always had suspiccions.

Whether she was involved or not, she was definitely turning a blind eye and she did SEE things, guaranteed or pick up on things.

And that's not even murder, torture, etc.

Maybe it means nothing but I find it very curious the first case said outright that he couldn't confirm if gone or not when a reporter asked that question was Mack and just before that after hearing nothing for quite some time, her atty announced she is selling and moving... Maybe it doesn't mean anything but I'm weird about coincidences and don't believe in many of them.

If she's even totally "innocent", moving to protect all assets, stand beside him and on TOP of it profit, is too much for me. She is a totally dislikable WOMAN and always will be to me. Disgusting, all of it.

The serial killer connection and their daughters, ALL OF IT.

Tierney can say whatever that she was gone when most went missing (last known anyhow) but he cannot say she was not around when they were killed. That's been obvious from the start.

Man I want the Vergata story confirmed.

I think they are going wisely and methodical and there may be reasons.

But not one thing has convinced me this woman did not know or even wasn't part, or condoned.

If I have my time thought right, you are up late or very early lol. DELPHI TOMORROW!
 
Dumb question. Haven't had time to read all the posts.... who is CB?

ETA because I realize suspect is RH. Am I missing something?
 
Also serial killers seem to like to see their name, and fame, or name themselves like BTK did so we did it instead, and think it's one he likely would not like.

Personally I try never to say their names because they like it so much.
 
Going down the rabbit hole in this case today. If anyone has any documentaries or Podcasters they think I should watch send em to me. I'm watching a Vinnie Politan report from 2 days ago to start. I've watched a few other older documentaries last night and early this morning but they didn't tell me anything I didn't already know
 
Going down the rabbit hole in this case today. If anyone has any documentaries or Podcasters they think I should watch send em to me. I'm watching a Vinnie Politan report from 2 days ago to start. I've watched a few other older documentaries last night and early this morning but they didn't tell me anything I didn't already know
Tresir has posted a lot of links and finds a lot. So far as anything new, not so sure. It's hard to keep track as it is of all the victims, etc. There are a few retired NYPD detectives and such on YT that have some good shows and some connections of course from their careers. Joe Gialcalone (not sure on spelling) has had a few, Police Off the Cuff, Duty Ron, all lived in the area, etc. Joe has had on John Ray and some others, I think Harrison, but he hasn't been very active recently.

Not sure what you are up on, do you know about the claims re Vergata and that story?
 
Tresir has posted a lot of links and finds a lot. So far as anything new, not so sure. It's hard to keep track as it is of all the victims, etc. There are a few retired NYPD detectives and such on YT that have some good shows and some connections of course from their careers. Joe Gialcalone (not sure on spelling) has had a few, Police Off the Cuff, Duty Ron, all lived in the area, etc. Joe has had on John Ray and some others, I think Harrison, but he hasn't been very active recently.

Not sure what you are up on, do you know about the claims re Vergata and that story?
Vergata I'm aware of but some of what I've discovered today is CB had victims escape him in SC and FL owns property in Vegas and has been to Alaska many times
 
Going down the rabbit hole in this case today. If anyone has any documentaries or Podcasters they think I should watch send em to me. I'm watching a Vinnie Politan report from 2 days ago to start. I've watched a few other older documentaries last night and early this morning but they didn't tell me anything I didn't already know
This is a link to a post upthread about a prior police Commisioner who did his best to let LISK have an easy life. He himself was perverted and had a hooker/madam as a girlfriend so none of these murders were investigated properly at all for a very long time.

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