Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[Tresir]

No time frame still.... but he did get a license in Anchorage and hunted there....according to John Ray

I had a quick look at SK's in Alaska and they have a ton of them. One guy would hunt his victims in the wild. Terrible cases. We should have a thread on them.

 

[Takeitfromme]

I had a quick look at SK's in Alaska and they have a ton of them. One guy would hunt his victims in the wild. Terrible cases. We should have a thread on them.

His name escapes me.But I know exactly who you're talking about.The guy that would fly the victims into the wilderness and then hunt them like they were wild game.... sick

 

[Takeitfromme]

I had a quick look at SK's in Alaska and they have a ton of them. One guy would hunt his victims in the wild. Terrible cases. We should have a thread on them.

I would love to see a thread on them

 

[GrandmaBear]

I had a quick look at SK's in Alaska and they have a ton of them. One guy would hunt his victims in the wild. Terrible cases. We should have a thread on them.

There is an SK thread, not on Alaska specifically though. I recall that one.

The state attracts a certain type, so do some places like Montana. Of course I don't mean EVERYONE but there are types that gravitate to them for the privacy, wilderness, lack of security, off the grid types, etc. and not that they are all bad either, but some are, and have something to hide. Imo.

 

[Tresir]

His name escapes me.But I know exactly who you're talking about.The guy that would fly the victims into the wilderness and then hunt them like they were wild game.... sick

Robert Hansen. I just remembered. Also just saw this. This was yesterday i believe.

Police: Human jawbone discovered by beachgoers at Smith Point

 

[Takeitfromme]

I always want to know these kinds of things in all cases, and we rarely find them out it seems. As you said to see if the typical SK things were there, I usually want to know where they were on given days, where they've lived and worked each year, trips taken, how long married, all those kinds of things too, and more. Just some examples. Where his mom worked or how she supported them. How the dad died. All sorts of things.

Ray is pretty out there and it really doesn't help him imo. I don't think he's treated very fairly at times but again he doesn't help himself with the way he is. Don't think I knew Gilbert got upset on CB's daughter's behalf. He has went at CB's family. You know, the daughter's and wife's hairs were found on various victims, daughters not as much I don't think, and that's hard to ignore, but they also are very likely possibly transfer hairs. He does have the story that places Asa home though when Vergata disappeared and in contact with her. And I guess he does help out the victims and don't think he gets paid for such.

Agree, talking of Burke, rather not go there either. The topic has been pretty exhausted anyhow, we all know what he's done and how he affected the investigation or lack of one might be more accurate.

I'm not sure if I knew the brother went with him. I'll admit I'm curious about the brother too. I mean supposedly the land purchased next door to the brother was supposedly to retire on, forget where I heard that. Now I wouldn't think a SK would want to necessarily live next door to anyone so to speak...

I guess it would depend how long a license covers in Alaska. Here, some just cover the season of say deer hunting which is only a couple of weeks unless they extend it, etc. I THINK anyhow. My nephew used to buy an out of state one for WI as he lives in MN so he could hunt with all the cousins. It's pretty expensive for an out of state resident and once he got married and had two kids, he quit, not sure if he gets one again now or not, but just because of the expense, they had a new home, mortgage, etc. decided not worth it for the price. I have no idea how it works in Alaska. Here there'd be no more than one trip most likely just for that short season. Out of state fishing license is also more expensive here but that you might use several times. Alaska has a lot of wilderness and game so perhaps it would last for months or some such. No idea at all.

A lot of answers I'd say are not out there as most things have been looked at or people have tried. We know some things like about both marriages, his brother being in SC, the truck being found there, his dad's name, etc.

And when they don't find the guy for years, kind of like Delphi, I'd say a lot of info might be hard to get any longer as well, at least they do have some phone data here, etc.

I do believe Ray has sources that are helpful. Specifically in the Vergata case. I think that the woman who came forward to him and then was vetted by the task force was a huge help.... I feel vergata will be the next case tied to him by evidence.
My heart breaks for Asian Doe, Peaches and baby Peaches. I want to see them get their names back. I want their families to know they aren't just missing, but they are waiting to be claimed and to go home with dignity.
I do think Asian male Doe will be the toughest to identify. There is a lack of Asian participation in the genealogy testing programs out there. But hopefully with the recent media coverage on him maybe a friend will come forward with information.

 

[Takeitfromme]

Robert Hansen. I just remembered. Also just saw this. This was yesterday i believe.

Police: Human jawbone discovered by beachgoers at Smith Point

Robert Hansen!!! That's right!! And CB was a "fan" from what I've learned....
And oh boy.... a bone previously and now a jaw bone..... yikes

 

[GrandmaBear]

I do believe Ray has sources that are helpful. Specifically in the Vergata case. I think that the woman who came forward to him and then was vetted by the task force was a huge help.... I feel vergata will be the next case tied to him by evidence.
My heart breaks for Asian Doe, Peaches and baby Peaches. I want to see them get their names back. I want their families to know they aren't just missing, but they are waiting to be claimed and to go home with dignity.
I do think Asian male Doe will be the toughest to identify. There is a lack of Asian participation in the genealogy testing programs out there. But hopefully with the recent media coverage on him maybe a friend will come forward with information.

Did they vet the info on Vergata? To my knowledge, they've never confirmed the story. I've said though that if Vergata got charged and that was true, it changes a LOT, for one it places Asa home most likely at the time of her torture and murder.

It did seem they were onto maybe something with Peaches as to identity but we haven't heard yet, it would be nice to see them have their names back and the families to know this is them.

I don't think the Asian participation is going to change much, they appealed for such but how many even heard it.

It is sad and the lifestyle I suppose contributes in that maybe they left home, were not in touch with their families or if so, not a lot to even be reported missing, On the other hand, maybe they were reported missing but the match just hasn't been made yet as they don't know who they are. I'd imagine they look though at reports of missing and try to see if it could be this or that person. one would think anyhow.

They are methodically charging more cases here, of course I'd like it to go faster lol, but I also know they need to dot their I and cross their T and wait for the grand jury I'd think.

I keep waiting for it to be Vergata, she'd also be the first one then proven to be in the home that we know of anyhow. They figure he did things there but we've never heard what evidence of who if any they have.

There's also the possibility he isn't responsible for some of them, like for instance Peaches. They may never be able to prove them all and that would sure be disappointing. I mean there's no lack of killers in that area either. I do thank God they've been able to prove several and are still going at it. After the whole debacle and botched investigation or lack thereof, it's fortunate enough can be come up with at this point. It would seem at least someone was doing their job with saved hairs, etc.

 

[Takeitfromme]

Did they vet the info on Vergata? To my knowledge, they've never confirmed the story. I've said though that if Vergata got charged and that was true, it changes a LOT, for one it places Asa home most likely at the time of her torture and murder.

It did seem they were onto maybe something with Peaches as to identity but we haven't heard yet, it would be nice to see them have their names back and the families to know this is them.

I don't think the Asian participation is going to change much, they appealed for such but how many even heard it.

It is sad and the lifestyle I suppose contributes in that maybe they left home, were not in touch with their families or if so, not a lot to even be reported missing, On the other hand, maybe they were reported missing but the match just hasn't been made yet as they don't know who they are. I'd imagine they look though at reports of missing and try to see if it could be this or that person. one would think anyhow.

They are methodically charging more cases here, of course I'd like it to go faster lol, but I also know they need to dot their I and cross their T and wait for the grand jury I'd think.

I keep waiting for it to be Vergata, she'd also be the first one then proven to be in the home that we know of anyhow. They figure he did things there but we've never heard what evidence of who if any they have.

There's also the possibility he isn't responsible for some of them, like for instance Peaches. They may never be able to prove them all and that would sure be disappointing. I mean there's no lack of killers in that area either. I do thank God they've been able to prove several and are still going at it. After the whole debacle and botched investigation or lack thereof, it's fortunate enough can be come up with at this point. It would seem at least someone was doing their job with saved hairs, etc.

It's very possible that the day in question that Asa was home and Vergata was there was not that particular day that Vergata was killed.. too many people at the home and that creates witnesses.... he could have possibly kept an eye out for her and when given the opportunity acted on her at a different time.... stalking her

 

[Tresir]

This jaw bone that has been found -see my post #2565 - was at the eastern end of Fire Island. Not all of Karen's remains were found so i am wondering if it could belong to her. Her skull was found, this says, but I am not sure if that would include the jaw bone. This article below explains how she was finally identified through advanced DNA technology and tracing.

After 26 years, Fire Island Jane Doe is Identified

Suffolk County Police Department and the FBI Team with Othram to Identify a 1996 Gilgo Beach Murder Victim

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Summary​

In April 1996, the legs of an unidentified woman were recovered inside of a black garbage bag at Blue Point Beach in Suffolk County, New York. Later, in April 2011, the woman’s skull was recovered near Ocean Parkway west of Tobay Beach in Nassau County, New York. The woman’s torso and hands were never recovered. Investigators determine the woman was white and likely between the ages of 18 and 50. They discovered several scars on the decedent’s right leg including a 3 1/2” on the lateral mid-leg area, a 1” linear scar on the lateral mid to lower leg, and a ½” scar on the medial ankle. The woman’s left leg had a 2" surgical scar with adjacent suture scars on the medial left ankle. The woman had red nail polish on all toes that, at the time of her discovery in 1996, was noted to be from a recent pedicure. The woman’s height and weight as well as other identifying characteristics could not be estimated.

Because she could not be identified, the woman became known as “Jane Doe Seven” and “Fire Island Jane Doe.” In 2011, details of the woman's unidentified person case were entered into the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) as UP9098. Despite law enforcement’s exhaustive efforts, Fire Island Jane Doe remained unidentified.

In 2022, the Suffolk County Police Department in collaboration with the FBI teamed with Othram to determine if advanced DNA testing could help to identify Fire Island Jane Doe. Forensic evidence was sent to Othram’s laboratory in The Woodlands, Texas. Othram scientists developed a suitable DNA extract from the forensic evidence and then used Forensic-Grade Genome Sequencing® to build a comprehensive genealogical profile. After successfully completing the process, the DNA profile was delivered to the FBI's forensic genetic genealogy team and the FBI team performed the necessary work to generate investigative leads.

The FBI team working with Suffolk County Police Department continued the investigation and were eventually able to confirmed the identity of Fire Island Jane Doe as Karen Vergata of Manhattan, New York. Vergata was 34 years old at the time of her death. Vergata was missing since Valentine's Day in 1996.

 

[Takeitfromme]

This jaw bone that has been found -see my post #2565 - was at the eastern end of Fire Island. Not all of Karen's remains were found so i am wondering if it could belong to her. Her skull was found, this says, but I am not sure if that would include the jaw bone. This article below explains how she was finally identified through advanced DNA technology and tracing.

After 26 years, Fire Island Jane Doe is Identified

Suffolk County Police Department and the FBI Team with Othram to Identify a 1996 Gilgo Beach Murder Victim

dnasolves.com

Summary​

In April 1996, the legs of an unidentified woman were recovered inside of a black garbage bag at Blue Point Beach in Suffolk County, New York. Later, in April 2011, the woman’s skull was recovered near Ocean Parkway west of Tobay Beach in Nassau County, New York. The woman’s torso and hands were never recovered. Investigators determine the woman was white and likely between the ages of 18 and 50. They discovered several scars on the decedent’s right leg including a 3 1/2” on the lateral mid-leg area, a 1” linear scar on the lateral mid to lower leg, and a ½” scar on the medial ankle. The woman’s left leg had a 2" surgical scar with adjacent suture scars on the medial left ankle. The woman had red nail polish on all toes that, at the time of her discovery in 1996, was noted to be from a recent pedicure. The woman’s height and weight as well as other identifying characteristics could not be estimated.

Because she could not be identified, the woman became known as “Jane Doe Seven” and “Fire Island Jane Doe.” In 2011, details of the woman's unidentified person case were entered into the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) as UP9098. Despite law enforcement’s exhaustive efforts, Fire Island Jane Doe remained unidentified.

In 2022, the Suffolk County Police Department in collaboration with the FBI teamed with Othram to determine if advanced DNA testing could help to identify Fire Island Jane Doe. Forensic evidence was sent to Othram’s laboratory in The Woodlands, Texas. Othram scientists developed a suitable DNA extract from the forensic evidence and then used Forensic-Grade Genome Sequencing® to build a comprehensive genealogical profile. After successfully completing the process, the DNA profile was delivered to the FBI's forensic genetic genealogy team and the FBI team performed the necessary work to generate investigative leads.

The FBI team working with Suffolk County Police Department continued the investigation and were eventually able to confirmed the identity of Fire Island Jane Doe as Karen Vergata of Manhattan, New York. Vergata was 34 years old at the time of her death. Vergata was missing since Valentine's Day in 1996.

Well..... not being seen since vday in 96 changes things for me.... I had forgotten that part.... the alleged party at CBs home according to the witness was a vday type swinger's party....hmmmm which does mean Asa was home.... but.... just to give her the benefit of the doubt.... the house clearly isn't very large but like we've seen in other cases where the perp doesn't allow his family in certain places be it a shed a work shop etc..... do you think it's possible he could have held a woman there and she and the kids really didn't know??

 

[Takeitfromme]

I was SO on top of this case for soooo many years.... I hate that I'm so behind on it now... but managing a K9 kennel 7 days a week took over every aspect of my life leaving me with no time for me..... but .... I'm here now.... catching up little by little

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's very possible that the day in question that Asa was home and Vergata was there was not that particular day that Vergata was killed.. too many people at the home and that creates witnesses.... he could have possibly kept an eye out for her and when given the opportunity acted on her at a different time.... stalking her

It's possible I guess but I don't really think very likely. He already had her in his lair and if the account is true, she was terrified it seemed when they were leaving, and also had run around the outside of the home naked. The cop bf of the witness said it was fine they were just playing a game but clearly they left her there and CB had her there. I kind of doubt things settled down and he took her "home". I don't even think she had a home on getting out of jail if I recall correctly. Her dad never heard from her again. To stalk her, he'd need to know where she was staying or working. I guess I just don't look at it that way. Once she was there and seemingly intentionally left there for him, I think from thereon out she was tortured and died.

All of these cases they will likely never be able to prove the time killed, just when last heard from, seen, etc.

And of course this is all only if the account is proven true by the witness and they can corroborate. I also feel they know by now but of course we haven't heard a word, it is pretty frustrating. Of course it involves a cop.

I just tend to think Asa knew, or knew some things, and saw some things. They also could not place her out of town on the last charged case. And she moved so fast to protect all and even make off of it.

Who knows. But the time of death is up in the air on all of them. Costello I believe was seen getting into a truck thought to be his so that's ONE with some time of last seen anyhow. So I'm not saying it's impossible she didn't leave their home and he killed her and got her at another time but I do think it highly unlikely, Vergata I mean. The witness thinks it was Valentine's and it fits with the time her dad last heard from her and it sounds like she had no home or means to live just getting out of jail. She's been identified for awhile now and there don't seem to be any reports of her ever being seen by anyone again, not that we'd necessarily know that.

Anyhow it does irritate me that we don't know if the story is even true yet. I tend to believe it but they just won't or haven't corroborated it yet/told us. So I try not to let myself count on it either. I can't see what the woman would gain though from making it up and she didn't want to be known either.

Anyhow, I guess we can't know right now and I do admit your thought is a possibility but I find it unlikely. I think if the story is true she never left that house and she ended up dead and that would place Asa at home.

I'm not even saying she was involved. Now there's a second one they can't say for sure if she was away or not. I don't know if all could, but I pretty much if I had to could come up with every trip I took and the approximate time frame in my life if I had to. Of course they don't have contact with her I imagine as she's lawyered up but they were able to determine such with the other cases.

Not even sure of my point lol. I just haven't cleared her, let's put it that way. Lol.

 

[Tresir]

It's possible I guess but I don't really think very likely. He already had her in his lair and if the account is true, she was terrified it seemed when they were leaving, and also had run around the outside of the home naked. The cop bf of the witness said it was fine they were just playing a game but clearly they left her there and CB had her there. I kind of doubt things settled down and he took her "home". I don't even think she had a home on getting out of jail if I recall correctly. Her dad never heard from her again. To stalk her, he'd need to know where she was staying or working. I guess I just don't look at it that way. Once she was there and seemingly intentionally left there for him, I think from thereon out she was tortured and died.

All of these cases they will likely never be able to prove the time killed, just when last heard from, seen, etc.

And of course this is all only if the account is proven true by the witness and they can corroborate. I also feel they know by now but of course we haven't heard a word, it is pretty frustrating. Of course it involves a cop.

I just tend to think Asa knew, or knew some things, and saw some things. They also could not place her out of town on the last charged case. And she moved so fast to protect all and even make off of it.

Who knows. But the time of death is up in the air on all of them. Costello I believe was seen getting into a truck thought to be his so that's ONE with some time of last seen anyhow. So I'm not saying it's impossible she didn't leave their home and he killed her and got her at another time but I do think it highly unlikely, Vergata I mean. The witness thinks it was Valentine's and it fits with the time her dad last heard from her and it sounds like she had no home or means to live just getting out of jail. She's been identified for awhile now and there don't seem to be any reports of her ever being seen by anyone again, not that we'd necessarily know that.

Anyhow it does irritate me that we don't know if the story is even true yet. I tend to believe it but they just won't or haven't corroborated it yet/told us. So I try not to let myself count on it either. I can't see what the woman would gain though from making it up and she didn't want to be known either.

Anyhow, I guess we can't know right now and I do admit your thought is a possibility but I find it unlikely. I think if the story is true she never left that house and she ended up dead and that would place Asa at home.

I'm not even saying she was involved. Now there's a second one they can't say for sure if she was away or not. I don't know if all could, but I pretty much if I had to could come up with every trip I took and the approximate time frame in my life if I had to. Of course they don't have contact with her I imagine as she's lawyered up but they were able to determine such with the other cases.

Not even sure of my point lol. I just haven't cleared her, let's put it that way. Lol.

It would be good if they could find Karen's torso and hands because that maybe could give them some hairs or DNA like with the other victims. I never realised till reading this that she was dismembered. And Asa was there at the time and pregnant. This pair disgust me.

So the legs were found in a black plastic garbage bag in a separate place to where her skull was found and her torso and hands have never been found. So he must have dismembered and disposed of her in 3 separate places.

Her time of death was therefore between 14th Feb and April 96. She appeared to have had a recent pedicure. ( I bet she had just got that in jail prior to her release. )

April 1996 her legs were found at Blue Point Beach in Suffolk County, New York.

Fifteen years later in 2011, her skull was recovered near Ocean Parkway west of Tobay Beach in Nassau County

I will check how far apart that is.

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[GrandmaBear]

It would be good if they could find Karen's torso and arms because that could give them some DNA. I never realised till reading this that she was dismembered. And Asa was there at the time and pregnant. This pair disgust me.

I honestly and sadly can't keep them straight as to who was dismembered, found where, etc. I do think I knew she was dismembered. Personally I figure any of them held at the home may well have been?

As far as DNA, do you mean from him or hairs, etc.? Because they have identified her right, or I guess parts. It's one I recall a bit more about because of the story and I know her kids were upset they were't informed, etc.

 

[Tresir]

I honestly and sadly can't keep them straight as to who was dismembered, found where, etc. I do think I knew she was dismembered. Personally I figure any of them held at the home may well have been?

As far as DNA, do you mean from him or hairs, etc.? Because they have identified her right, or I guess parts. It's one I recall a bit more about because of the story and I know her kids were upset they were't informed, etc.

Yes, either, I mean any DNA that would identify him or his household from her torso, if they can find it. She was not seen after V day '96 and she was dismembered and dumped like some of the others.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes, either, I mean any DNA that would identify him or his household from her torso, if they can find it. She was not seen after V day '96 and she was dismembered and dumped like some of the others.

I figured that was what you meant but just making sure.

Yeah, it's one of the reasons I tend to buy into the witness story, V Day, etc. and she never has been seen again to our knowledge. i could chomp at the bit for them to either corroborate or dismiss this story, really want them to, but wouldn't do me any good lol. A hair or something would be great but the story itself if corroborated is pretty damning. I guess it's not DNA but they perhaps are not going to have that in every case. I guess her being at their home doesn't prove murder but put together with the others if they can do that, well it would be a strong circumstantial one.

He's already going away forever (one would hope) but it would be nice to see all get justice.

You know to me, there had to be evidence in that basement. If you are dismembering could you ever clean up well enough? I hate to think of it but it's kind of hard to believe you ever could.

I think they are presenting each case for the grand jury and perhaps even have more in line already, it's pretty hard to say...

I mean we know more in this case than many but we sure aren't told all. It would be so nice to see Vergata confirmed. But also all of them charged, assuming he did all that is.

 

[Tresir]

Tobay Beach - Wikipedia

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Fire Island - Wikipedia

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Its 17 miles between the dump sites. This map below shows Massepequa 13 miles WNW of Tobay beach so he basically drove west then south east 13 miles then another 17 miles to dump the remains that have so far been found. The torso and hands could be on the way back further inland. I'm surprised it hasn't been found in all this time - 28 years. The jaw bone found yesterday was in a different location again, i believe.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Tobay Beach - Wikipedia

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Fire Island - Wikipedia

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Its 17 miles between the dump sites. This map below shows Massepequa to the west of Tobay beach so he basically drove east to dump them. The torso and hands could be on the way back further inland. I'm surprised it hasn't been found in all this time - 28 years.

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It always amazes me when I see something like 18 miles takes 47 minutes. I grew up so rural I guess I always think about a mile a minute but of course it isn't like that in congested areas, etc. or cities.

In a small city now and it shocks me when the internet tells me a two mile drive will take ten minutes but it's true.

Anyhow if he drove that far, and long, hard to say there wasn't another drive and a third dump site. I'd assume the purpose was to make them hard to identify or put together. Hands of course might yield prints, if found right away but who knows what he did to such first however.

He doesn't appear to be at least at this point one who is ever going to talk. Pled not guilty which is a joke.

Another thing I'd like to see other than say Vergata and these cases is one from another state. It would be nice if something got him on some federal charge so he could face the DP. Of course if he didn't travel with the person or body across state lines, not sure that would apply. It likely would if he disposed of anything on return though.

It's such a shame they weren't onto anything years earlier but that can't be fixed now. However, more data would probably have been available. Witnesses who saw something, etc.

I also wish I knew more about spousal privilege because although Mrs CB moved immediately to save all the assets and file divorce, for some reason the divorce has never been finalized yet. Does that save her from having to testify if called? If she completes the divorce would she then have to? Or would she be covered as they were married at the time of the murders?

If I ever join a member level on a YT channel I will probably pick an attorney one just so I can ask these kinds of things lol and perhaps get some answers.

 

[Takeitfromme]

It always amazes me when I see something like 18 miles takes 47 minutes. I grew up so rural I guess I always think about a mile a minute but of course it isn't like that in congested areas, etc. or cities.

In a small city now and it shocks me when the internet tells me a two mile drive will take ten minutes but it's true.

Anyhow if he drove that far, and long, hard to say there wasn't another drive and a third dump site. I'd assume the purpose was to make them hard to identify or put together. Hands of course might yield prints, if found right away but who knows what he did to such first however.

He doesn't appear to be at least at this point one who is ever going to talk. Pled not guilty which is a joke.

Another thing I'd like to see other than say Vergata and these cases is one from another state. It would be nice if something got him on some federal charge so he could face the DP. Of course if he didn't travel with the person or body across state lines, not sure that would apply. It likely would if he disposed of anything on return though.

It's such a shame they weren't onto anything years earlier but that can't be fixed now. However, more data would probably have been available. Witnesses who saw something, etc.

I also wish I knew more about spousal privilege because although Mrs CB moved immediately to save all the assets and file divorce, for some reason the divorce has never been finalized yet. Does that save her from having to testify if called? If she completes the divorce would she then have to? Or would she be covered as they were married at the time of the murders?

If I ever join a member level on a YT channel I will probably pick an attorney one just so I can ask these kinds of things lol and perhaps get some answers.

Maybe John Ray will help Pro Bono .....