Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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This is older but I've watched a few episodes.... he's very knowledgeable and this focuses on Vegas cases

Hope to get a chance to watch it.

The problem is I guess as said earlier is nothing is confirmed. Lot of speculation on dead or missing in the other states but no confirmation.

I DO assume really he killed wherever he was and traveled to. So think it very likely. However, in NY alone there's other serial killers that were considered, thought to have maybe done some of these at some point.
 
Florida I don't have names for. I've been looking for that... he had relatives that had residences and ties to Florida as well as an uncle who was a priest and involved with catholic charities... I'd have to look back for a video I saw (podcast) about those ties to florida.... didn't name victims but a woman who went on a date that seemed like it lasted just minutes before she bailed contacted John Ray after cb arrest
He himself did something with kids, some type of I can't recall actually, and/or families, it has come out rarely, not been centered on, some charitable or helpful thing where he would have had contact with kids. Then some of his searches on internet related to kids sickly... Like blonde how old girl being abused or some such. I think they've tempered some of what we actually hear. He also had the Asian kind of search, or transgender, I forget.

In NY though, some kind of volunteering or some such helping families or kids... I forget because it came up like only once or twice.

This sick POS seems to run the gamut on types of victims. And I suspect we only know of the scratched surface of it all.

It does get kind of hard to talk about and keep it from being graphic. As out there as John Ray can be, I think he likely knows a lot more than we do.

heck they won't even TELL the public there's an SK active normally. Or admit it is an SK.

I also think people get numb, I know I sometimes do following enough cases, but once in awhile it hits me, and this man tortured these women, allegedly of course, and I don't think that even hits people sometimes these days. But we are also somewhat protected from it in they try to hold some details from the public, etc.

Just my opinion of course. But I know it happens to me. I rarely get numb with kid cases but they try to do it there too. To put it better, people are thinking murder is just commonplace and not so serious or some such it almost seems these days.

Just my own mantra, not saying you feel the same or anyone does. I think it's all being dialed down these days and some don't even get much of a sentence. Murderers I mean. That's a subject in and of itself.

I think yes this guy even molested children. Imo. He is very different and the typical profile, well I think he tried to change it up, and had several "types", he followed profilers. I think the surface is barely scratched insofar as we know.... Just my opinion.
 
Have you got a link and names for the Florida and Nevada cases? I have one Vegas victim named on the list I already posted. I am not aware they had a timeshare or residence in Florida though. I believe they had a time share in Vegas and Atlantic city so i do have some Atlantic city victims on that list too.

ETA ah i see the names are in the video you just posted. Interesting. I already have Jodi Brewer down in my list but didn't know the other four. I will add them to my list.

I took their details from the video.
2003 Victoria Camara, Misty Marie Saens, Jodi Marie Brewer,
2005 Lindsay Marie Harris,
2006 Jessica Edith Louise Foster.


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I knew Atlantic City was visited but not sure if I knew they had any time share or residence there. I know there were several murders there and they think an SK and know that has been discussed. Florida rings no bells. Vegas I knew of although I thought they owned a condo there rather than a time share at first, but that also shows how little is known or shared with us that we can confirm.
 
If it isn't the one I posted than it's this one.... either way if anyone wants to watch....

I've listened to a few minutes of this. Never ran into this guy before. So far he is talking about two murders Bitroff was charged with... Yet how it seemed like one killer, three of them...

And how LE thought it was all one killer. I've actually run into the opposite where most LE, even retired, thought it to be more than one and found out they were wrong. I may be a bit too tired to take it in. So far he seems to be talking of three cases. All left the same. Wood chips on them. Etc. So perhaps many thought these three the same. Two of which I think he said Bitroff was convicted of.

Lol I think I need to wait for a fresh start tomorrow. If talking just a few of the cases, he makes sense. Two of which are not brought up with CB because Bitroff was convicted on them if I have it right.
 
I think that LE want to get these 7 convictions done and dusted and then i believe they hope he will open up about any others. These murders in other jurisdictions should have their own local LE working on them, but of course often they don't want to publicize there are either prostitutes or that their could be a SK working in a vacation destination (ie Vegas and A City) or their vacation businesses would tank. Similar with Alaska too, i guess and the hunting/holiday vacation business.
 
I think that LE want to get these 7 convictions done and dusted and then i believe they hope he will open up about any others. These murders in other jurisdictions should have their own local LE working on them, but of course often they don't want to publicize there are either prostitutes or that their could be a SK working in a vacation destination (ie Vegas and A City) or their vacation businesses would tank. Similar with Alaska too, i guess and the hunting/holiday vacation business.
Totally agree to all. They always worry about worrying the public, politics, etc. Tamping things down, keeping things quiet. But I'd sure hope serious investigation is going on.

I actually do think cases may keep coming beyond these. But carefully and in time.

It's very common an SK is tamped down or an SR (rapist) which I think is SO wrong for public safety but yes they want to not wreck the area, tourism, wanting to live there, etc., but I very much disagree with such, but has always went on.

Here they could do it as apparently the big killer on most is jailed and whining about butter.

However of course it would still throw a shadow over the area... They are trying to recover from the black eyes and problems.

To me, justice should only be about justice, not politiics or appearances but it's not how it is any longer, if it ever was.

The older I get the more I see it, but also the more it seems to go on year by year.

I mean just offer him butter and pizza for the truth. Half kidding.

Vacation destination is a topic in and of itself.
 
Totally agree to all. They always worry about worrying the public, politics, etc. Tamping things down, keeping things quiet. But I'd sure hope serious investigation is going on.

I actually do think cases may keep coming beyond these. But carefully and in time.

It's very common an SK is tamped down or an SR (rapist) which I think is SO wrong for public safety but yes they want to not wreck the area, tourism, wanting to live there, etc., but I very much disagree with such, but has always went on.

Here they could do it as apparently the big killer on most is jailed and whining about butter.

However of course it would still throw a shadow over the area... They are trying to recover from the black eyes and problems.

To me, justice should only be about justice, not politiics or appearances but it's not how it is any longer, if it ever was.

The older I get the more I see it, but also the more it seems to go on year by year.

I mean just offer him butter and pizza for the truth. Half kidding.

Vacation destination is a topic in and of itself.
Pizza and real butter.... if it will make him talk they should do it lol
In all seriousness tho the fact that jesperson wrote to him and that he wrote back is just wild....
 
Yeah no christmas here either just christmas dinner with mom and room mate. Still enjoyable so I've just been a bum in bed going down this rabbit hole.
Tho Ray is looney he has been an advocate and Harrison encouraged people to go to him if not comfortable with police.... don't know if that's continuing with the new commissioner.
I've been diving into YT and some that I've watched are former NYPD I've liked them so far.
I really feel when they have enough ready to solidify the case that Vergata charges are coming.... and I'm sure more and more and hopefully identity given back to those waiting for their names
Being a " bum in bed " with breakfast is great on miserable winter mornings. I will have to remember that term LOL.
 
Ok i found this article that confirms Jodi Brewer from Vegas disappeared and was found in 2003, twenty years ago last year. The circumstances of her death indicate a similarity to these CB murders. The article also confirms he had a timeshare in Vegas on the strip. In fact he later had a second one too in his and his wife's names. This is the link to the article. At the bottom of the article are links to 2 of the other Vegas victims. Details are graphic so i haven't copied pasta. For CB to be a suspect, his timeshare must have been August right?


 
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This article has links to the two affidavits in it - the Vergata and the Gilbert affidavits - if you want to review them. I have copied the section with the links. The affiant says in the affidavit that his name is known to her and Mr. Ray. She then says, "I call him RW."


"The witness account of Vergata at Heuermann’s home is notable for the fact that it would be the first alleged connection between the suspect and one of four Gilgo-area victims whose remains were dismembered and scattered in Manorville, Hempstead Lake State Park and — in Vergata’s case — near Davis Park on Fire Island. Vergata’s death in 1996 also makes her case the one unsolved longest of the Ocean Parkway victims. The victims Heuermann was charged with killing were found intact and had been murdered between 2007 and 2010.
In the affidavit, a 54-year-old woman whose name was not released said she and her then-boyfriend — a New York City narcotics detective — went to Heuermann’s house after finding an open invitation to go there on the wall of Trapeze, a swingers club in Manhattan where couples share partners with one another. On their way to Long Island, the witness said her boyfriend picked up a woman she recognized as Vergata, the witness wrote in the affidavit, after authorities announced in August that they had identified the victim after two decades. Ray said the woman cried when she saw Vergata’s face in the news because the witness told the attorney that she was uneasy with how the victim was allegedly left at the suspect’s house.
“Hey shouldn’t we be taking her, something’s wrong here,” the witness told her boyfriend as she said they left Heuermann’s house, leaving behind Vergata, who ran out of the home naked, according to Ray. The boyfriend reportedly told the witness, “Don’t worry, they’re just playing a game. Leave it.”
That incident was alleged to have occurred on or around Valentine’s Day in 1996, which is when Vergata’s family said they last heard from the victim. Although the affidavit allegedly places Vergata in Heuermann’s home, the witness does not say that she saw the suspect kill the victim.
In the other affidavit, the taxi driver wrote that she once was called to pick up a woman from the Sayville Motor Lodge, a motel whose owners were charged last year with sex trafficking — and that she believes it was Gilbert who she drove to the Ronkonkoma Long Island Rail Road station after a date with Heuermann went bad in the fall of 2009. The witness recalled that Gilbert said the man told her he was paying her $1,000, but when she looked in the envelope, it was full of pieces of paper, so she locked herself in the bathroom and called a cab, according to the statement. When the cabbie arrived, a large man emerged and covered his face as he fled, the statement added.

Several days or weeks later, the cabbie said she was called to pick a man up from a location near exit 59 on the Long Island Expressway, but when she arrived, he changed his destination and said “he wanted to take her on a long trip into the woods,” but when she refused he pulled out a handgun and threatened to kill her, Ray told reporters. She recognized the man as the same person she saw at the Sayville motel, the witness told Ray.
“I already want to kill you, just give me a reason,” Ray said the witness recalled Heuermann telling her before her dispatcher chimed in that he could see and hear the threats, scaring the suspect off. The attorney added that the cabbie reported the incident to police, but nothing came of it, which is why she turned to Ray when she saw Heuermann’s face in the news and realized who he was.
The other two witnesses Ray said he heard from have not signed affidavits, but one alleged that she believes a man fitting Heuermann’s description pointed a gun at her in Queens. The other alleged that Heuermann sometimes hired more than one sex worker at a time, even while his wife was home, and that his wife accused them of stealing an iron. Heuermann’s attorney could not immediately be reached for comment on the information Ray shared."
Bringing forward my post that includes the two prostitute affidavits if we want to recap them.
 
Pizza and real butter.... if it will make him talk they should do it lol
In all seriousness tho the fact that jesperson wrote to him and that he wrote back is just wild....
I don't know, I don't want him to have any butter or pizza lol.

I recall when Frazee was in jail in CO (different case) they had Friday pizza nights, man did that anger me and many. If I recall a deputy actually would go somewhere like Little Caesar's or somewhere and pick up all these pizzas for the inmates. I could not even believe such could go on at the time, now we hear of perks all they time, personal TVs, tablets, you name it.

It is wild and it says not very good things about our country imo that such could even happen imo. Contact between two serial killers when one is in prison and the other in jail shouldn't be even possible. Where are the RULES these days? And then the J guy talking on shows or was it YT channel? I mean it's crazy he can do that from prison. No such person should have any influence or public ability to speak imo.

On the other hand, I guess if they 'fess up or talk that way it might be a good thing but then one has to know they aren't lying or gaming either. Look at the games KK played in Delphi with LE. Wasted resources, time, lots of it and more. Holman did speak to that in his interview on MS.

Just woke up after about 2.45 hrs. of sleep. I'm getting so little and it's all over the place as to time. Don't know how I'll ever get back to work at this rate. Have an appt. tomorrow that right now I can't even imagine making. Enough on that though, it could be endless...

I call it a dangerous experiment all the lax sentencing and perks and stuff that they do these days that has been proven time and again to have failed, like when we find out someone who just killed a kid or some such we find should have been in prison to begin with for former crimes but was released or went soft on ten times over by prosecutors and judges. It's like all the failures by CPS/DCF we see in so many cases. Another huge problem. Or public or some of them that rallies behind the murderer of the CEO and provides almost hero worship. It's no fun getting older as I think we know well but I'm so glad I was raised in the times I was and in the ways most were at the time. I didn't used to feel that way but I do now. Avoiding that sidetrack as well.

It's so ridiculous some alleged and very likely guilt SK would bitch about butter. To get back to the original point. It's shocking he'd torture women endlessly but enjoyed his finer foods and treats and be upset when he no longer has them due to his own deeds. Feel like I'm in some very warped universe which I guess they are in, or create anyhow. A very hard type to understand I suppose as so alien to us with morals. Can't find the words any more than to put it that way.
 
Ok i found this article that confirms Jodi Brewer from Vegas disappeared and was found in 2003, twenty years ago last year. The circumstances of her death indicate a similarity to these CB murders. The article also confirms he had atimeshare in Vegas on the strip. In fact he later had a second one too in his and his wife's names. This is the link to the article. At the bottom of the article are links to 2 of the other Vegas victims. Details are graphic so i haven't copied pasta. For CB to be a suspect, his timeshare must have been August right?


So it WAS a timeshare? Will read when I get a chance here. I recall thinking it was a condo but was never sure on the timeshare part, thought they owned it. It wouldn't be quite the same as having his basement in LI, and private home. And it was on the strip? Been to Vegas as many have, many a time, four times I think for me. It would be rich for finding victims that's for sure but seems Manhattan/NY was/is too. I mean you can hardly drive down the strip for traffic. One trip a very nice Canadian piled my family into his rental vehicle to drop us off for the day on the strip and it took probably an hour to get a few blocks, no exaggeration. Of course it can also be walked (long walk) or bused. We bused back that night which wasn't as bad for traffic but took a fair bit. Not a fan of the strip, always preferred downtown/old town. It is something that one should see at least once and seeing it at night with the lights during the bus ride was something. Every time I went someone new was with, so while I cared less to go to the strip, all need to see it at least once so got stuck doing such each time.

And people who have only ever been in the "safe" zones would find out if you go even a block out of such even downtown, it all changes. Very dangerous. Found that out. Probably posted on such back when. Makes me appreciate where I have always lived although I hate winters, it's pretty normal and safe.

Also it's difficult to imagine the same kind of privacy as I said as his home, but finding targets would be easy. But then behind closed doors, I guess much can go on anywhere, even in a hotel room.

With his penchant for prostitutes, it is no surprise he owned something there, and I don't believe for a moment his wife did not know about at least that. You already have that other new way some time back of an open relationship if you're both swinging, and some type of agreement in your "marriage".

I think he killed in any area he traveled to. Just seems likely. Alaska. SC. to see his mom, was that Virginia? Vegas. Etc.
 
I have never been to Vegas but have been to Atlantic city and it was similar there. Get off the boardwalk and behind the casinos, the hinterland was a dump, like a shanty town. For all the workers, i guess. I was really gobsmacked by the shabbiness. This had to be in the nineties when i went and was working at MOT Bayonne NJ for a week or so. Hub came with me and chauffered me to and from work and lounged around in a NJ hotel ordering foot long subs LOL, which we had never heard of before. We took a drive to Atlantic City to sightsee and also travelled in to NYC sightseeing on a couple of occasions at the weekends.
 

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