Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.

Who is the Long Island Serial Killer?

The Long Island serial killer (also referred to as LISK, the Gilgo Beach Killer or the Craigslist Ripper) is an unidentified suspected serial killer who is believed to have murdered 10 to 16 people over a period of nearly 20 years.

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[GrandmaBear]

Maybe John Ray will help Pro Bono .....

LOL. Well he hasn't been on here to my knowledge and don't know of any channel he has or perhaps I could try him/ask him. Maybe calling...? LOL

 

[Tresir]

Here's a final map i did. Fire island to Smith County Park (recent jawbone location) 43 miles.

Goodnight all and Merry Christmas.

 

[Takeitfromme]

So he had built a bunker in the basement???
I'm listening to this right now.... trying to find exactly what timing in the podcast they mention this

 

[GrandmaBear]

So he had built a bunker in the basement???
I'm listening to this right now.... trying to find exactly what timing in the podcast they mention this

I don't know. Tresir I believe talked of some area that was dug into the basement, I don't recall hearing such. I know guns were found in the basement and I think they were in some locked room, perhaps what they are calling a bunker.

I'm listening, and just heard Candace say some bunker with a steel door. I know the basement was of interest to LE in the searches, and I think there was seen possibly how he hung up the victims. A lot of what she is talking of comes from his "planning document" they found on the electronic devices. And I'd say assumptions with some things.

Her guest says all the neighbors said he was just seemingly some normal family man, yet the way I recall it, some of his neighbors thought him quite odd...

I don't think we know some of these things but that they are guessed from his planning doc. MAYBE it shows, or some of it, in the things filed when charging?

Much of what I am hearing on this podcast is what we already know they are going through, like his "date" with the woman she calls the luckiest woman in NY as she didn't die.

I know it is figured he tortured them in the basement and there is a "room" like where the guns were locked for one. I "think" they did see an area he may have hung the women from, suspended them I guess is more accurate, for torture but honestly not sure if we heard that as fact. I guess such could be called a "bunker". I don't think we have a lot of detail on it though.

They do seem to me to be simply talking on all of the things we do know in the podcast.

The basement was of interest, I know that, is the best way to put it but as far as what they found, I do not think we know a ton about that. Or what the search warrants resulted in and so forth. I did just listen to the entire podcast. We know "some". Like about the guns. That came from a presser if I recall.

A lot of things are simply put together imo. Wish I could be more help.

They are being quite careful with what they say and file as far as to what we've seen. Imo.

But yes, it seems to be a no brainer he likely tortured them in the basement and there are hints of such, and there certainly was a room where for instance the guns were locked. I THINK is correct. Something rings some bell on marks or things where they would have again, been tied to, hung from. However, I don't think we really know the results of much of such, and a lot is assumption, talk.

Sorry I'm not more help.

And there was a storage unit too/or units even as I recall.

 

[Takeitfromme]

I don't know. Tresir I believe talked of some area that was dug into the basement, I don't recall hearing such. I know guns were found in the basement and I think they were in some locked room, perhaps what they are calling a bunker.

I'm listening, and just heard Candace say some bunker with a steel door. I know the basement was of interest to LE in the searches, and I think there was seen possibly how he hung up the victims. A lot of what she is talking of comes from his "planning document" they found on the electronic devices. And I'd say assumptions with some things.

Her guest says all the neighbors said he was just seemingly some normal family man, yet the way I recall it, some of his neighbors thought him quite odd...

I don't think we know some of these things but that they are guessed from his planning doc. MAYBE it shows, or some of it, in the things filed when charging?

Much of what I am hearing on this podcast is what we already know they are going through, like his "date" with the woman she calls the luckiest woman in NY as she didn't die.

I know it is figured he tortured them in the basement and there is a "room" like where the guns were locked for one. I "think" they did see an area he may have hung the women from, suspended them I guess is more accurate, for torture but honestly not sure if we heard that as fact. I guess such could be called a "bunker". I don't think we have a lot of detail on it though.

They do seem to me to be simply talking on all of the things we do know in the podcast.

The basement was of interest, I know that, is the best way to put it but as far as what they found, I do not think we know a ton about that. Or what the search warrants resulted in and so forth. I did just listen to the entire podcast. We know "some". Like about the guns. That came from a presser if I recall.

A lot of things are simply put together imo. Wish I could be more help.

They are being quite careful with what they say and file as far as to what we've seen. Imo.

But yes, it seems to be a no brainer he likely tortured them in the basement and there are hints of such, and there certainly was a room where for instance the guns were locked. I THINK is correct. Something rings some bell on marks or things where they would have again, been tied to, hung from. However, I don't think we really know the results of much of such, and a lot is assumption, talk.

Sorry I'm not more help.

And there was a storage unit too/or units even as I recall.

Most of what I'm finding is what is already known..... I assume the room with a lock is the so called bunker.
A couple Podcasters have eluded to other cases in other states but without any real substance to it I have to somewhat dismiss them until there is more substance to it/them. One is Florida one is Nevada and one was actually in NY but not a sex worker, but rather an architectural student.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Most of what I'm finding is what is already known..... I assume the room with a lock is the so called bunker.
A couple Podcasters have eluded to other cases in other states but without any real substance to it I have to somewhat dismiss them until there is more substance to it/them. One is Florida one is Nevada and one was actually in NY but not a sex worker, but rather an architectural student.

Yeah, I'd agree that they mean the locked room.

There has been a ton of speculation, even by us here, on probable things, but yes, no real substance, no corroboration, etc. yet.

Like some of the stories or those that think he may have been the one in a few SC cases, etc. We can as many podcasters have done, suspect such, but not confirmed.

I think that's where the one was like on a walk or jog and she saw him, think's it was him now anyhow, but got away. Then there was the one whose daughter swears it was who her mom was "dating" or on a date with, and the mom disappeared.

I do recall this stuff pretty well. And his "date" in NY.

We just haven't gotten much confirmed from LE or prosecution on most of it. Or these other possibles. So yeah, pretty much no substance, and speculation.

 

[Takeitfromme]

Yeah, I'd agree that they mean the locked room.

There has been a ton of speculation, even by us here, on probable things, but yes, no real substance, no corroboration, etc. yet.

Like some of the stories or those that think he may have been the one in a few SC cases, etc. We can as many podcasters have done, suspect such, but not confirmed.

I think that's where the one was like on a walk or jog and she saw him, think's it was him now anyhow, but got away. Then there was the one whose daughter swears it was who her mom was "dating" or on a date with, and the mom disappeared.

I do recall this stuff pretty well. And his "date" in NY.

We just haven't gotten much confirmed from LE or prosecution on most of it. Or these other possibles. So yeah, pretty much no substance, and speculation.

Tough situations to have no substance. Hopefully they are all being thoroughly looked into

 

[Cousin Dupree]

So he had built a bunker in the basement???
I'm listening to this right now.... trying to find exactly what timing in the podcast they mention this

I believe it's more than a locked room. I guess we'll eventually find out.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Tough situations to have no substance. Hopefully they are all being thoroughly looked into

Yeah, it's a hard case to trust in when such screw ups in the earlier years and then even nowadays, NY politics well oh boy, and then Harrison left.

My point is I agree I hope they are all getting a totally thorough look. I do have some trouble trusting that just because of all of the b.s. I mean seriously like the Vergata story should at least be confirmed by now imo. But there is of course, a cop, a higher up one, involved...

As far as other states, who knows what they are doing. We have heard little on that.

I for one am so sick of politics overtaking justice. I mean even if people or detectives or anyone wants to do right, that is always there and interfering.

Not probably an upbeat subject for Christmas so I'll stop.

I will say I'm really glad to see you here and in the cases. I think a lot more will come out on this one, but it's just not happening very fast as I and probably most of us would like.

 

[Takeitfromme]

Yeah, it's a hard case to trust in when such screw ups in the earlier years and then even nowadays, NY politics well oh boy, and then Harrison left.

My point is I agree I hope they are all getting a totally thorough look. I do have some trouble trusting that just because of all of the b.s. I mean seriously like the Vergata story should at least be confirmed by now imo. But there is of course, a cop, a higher up one, involved...

As far as other states, who knows what they are doing. We have heard little on that.

I for one am so sick of politics overtaking justice. I mean even if people or detectives or anyone wants to do right, that is always there and interfering.

Not probably an upbeat subject for Christmas so I'll stop.

I will say I'm really glad to see you here and in the cases. I think a lot more will come out on this one, but it's just not happening very fast as I and probably most of us would like.

Yeah Harrson resigning is a BUMMER

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yeah Harrson resigning is a BUMMER

I SO very much agree. Politics for ya.

I was very impressed with him. He was so in touch with the people imo. Tierney is charging and all but he doesn't have the same connection to people. Imo anyhow.

Not going to talk politics, don't dare, but it doesn't help cases, it hinders them. As does the "changing of the guards" so to speak.

 

[Takeitfromme]

I SO very much agree. Politics for ya.

I was very impressed with him. He was so in touch with the people imo. Tierney is charging and all but he doesn't have the same connection to people. Imo anyhow.

Not going to talk politics, don't dare, but it doesn't help cases, it hinders them. As does the "changing of the guards" so to speak.

I agree with you it's sad to see him go. I don't know much about Waring. His new replacement

 

[GrandmaBear]

I agree with you it's sad to see him go. I don't know much about Waring. His new replacement

I don't even know that name. Not that there is a replacement, not that there wouldn't be, just not up on it.

I really liked him. He was what they needed imo.

It is so political there, and I will leave that at that other than saying it seems to trump justice or best interests which is just so wrong.

I've watched some retired NYPD ones that have YT channels now.

About all of them made fun of Ray. I get he's a very different type, but people including myself were telling them to knock it off--it is the case and things, if true, that matter. A couple actually toned it down because all of their viewers were telling them they weren't being right or fair, on that order.

It's such a hotbed there imo, I probably don't know the half of it.

But yes, Harrison was the right person, imo, and needed.

I am not the hugest Tierney fan although he is charging and continuing on. I feel though he is more "run" by the politics and others. I'll leave that there.

I so hate politics being involved in justice or cases. They should be two completely different things imo.

It also is not I guess a very Christmasy subject.

However, I'm not having Christmas so in some ways seems like just another day. Trying though to realize others are. And do care about what the day actually means. Just hard being for me, it's a weekday and I have to remind self.

Anyhow, yes, they were on such a roll but then Harrison leaves. Charges have continued to come, so that's good, but he was willing to talk to Ray, etc. and did.

I actually don't necessarily trust them with Vergata and Tierney does not to my knowledge talk to Ray, plus there was a cop involved. There is so much bad history in this case that it's very difficult to trust. Like Burke, who I agree with you, don't even want to go down that road. He's SUCH a total loser.

 

[Takeitfromme]

I don't even know that name. Not that there is a replacement, not that there wouldn't be, just not up on it.

I really liked him. He was what they needed imo.

It is so political there, and I will leave that at that other than saying it seems to trump justice or best interests which is just so wrong.

I've watched some retired NYPD ones that have YT channels now.

About all of them made fun of Ray. I get he's a very different type, but people including myself were telling them to knock it off--it is the case and things, if true, that matter. A couple actually toned it down because all of their viewers were telling them they weren't being right or fair, on that order.

It's such a hotbed there imo, I probably don't know the half of it.

But yes, Harrison was the right person, imo, and needed.

I am not the hugest Tierney fan although he is charging and continuing on. I feel though he is more "run" by the politics and others. I'll leave that there.

I so hate politics being involved in justice or cases. They should be two completely different things imo.

It also is not I guess a very Christmasy subject.

However, I'm not having Christmas so in some ways seems like just another day. Trying though to realize others are. And do care about what the day actually means. Just hard being for me, it's a weekday and I have to remind self.

Anyhow, yes, they were on such a roll but then Harrison leaves. Charges have continued to come, so that's good, but he was willing to talk to Ray, etc. and did.

I actually don't necessarily trust them with Vergata and Tierney does not to my knowledge talk to Ray, plus there was a cop involved. There is so much bad history in this case that it's very difficult to trust. Like Burke, who I agree with you, don't even want to go down that road. He's SUCH a total loser.

Yeah no christmas here either just christmas dinner with mom and room mate. Still enjoyable so I've just been a bum in bed going down this rabbit hole.
Tho Ray is looney he has been an advocate and Harrison encouraged people to go to him if not comfortable with police.... don't know if that's continuing with the new commissioner.
I've been diving into YT and some that I've watched are former NYPD I've liked them so far.
I really feel when they have enough ready to solidify the case that Vergata charges are coming.... and I'm sure more and more and hopefully identity given back to those waiting for their names

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yeah no christmas here either just christmas dinner with mom and room mate. Still enjoyable so I've just been a bum in bed going down this rabbit hole.
Tho Ray is looney he has been an advocate and Harrison encouraged people to go to him if not comfortable with police.... don't know if that's continuing with the new commissioner.
I've been diving into YT and some that I've watched are former NYPD I've liked them so far.
I really feel when they have enough ready to solidify the case that Vergata charges are coming.... and I'm sure more and more and hopefully identity given back to those waiting for their names

Glad you are at least having Christmas dinner.

Ray is very out there in some ways definitely but he is a total advocate for the victim families as you say and Harrison at least told people who maybe don't trust the police to go to him, etc.

I know little about the new commissioner thing.

The former NYPD really are good channels but if one watches them long enough, the politics do show, not that that's bad necessarily. And boy I'll say some of them DO call it like it is.

I really am hopeful Vergata will come because just like when they got the one from another period of time, it showed it was the same killer where many, even LE or former LE thought it had to be two killers. Vergata would place the wife at home and Vergata in the home. It would change up a lot.

I get what you said that he could have killed her after at some other time, but regardless it places a dead victim in the home, at one point at least, and wife at home. It would also confirm the swinging by the two, wife included. To me, that's a tolerance or allowance for such a way of life that perhaps she did not want as time went on, who knows. But for me, she was not naive to his ways or at least his "cheating" prostitutes, etc.

 

[Takeitfromme]

This is older but I've watched a few episodes.... he's very knowledgeable and this focuses on Vegas cases

 

[Tresir]

Most of what I'm finding is what is already known..... I assume the room with a lock is the so called bunker.
A couple Podcasters have eluded to other cases in other states but without any real substance to it I have to somewhat dismiss them until there is more substance to it/them. One is Florida one is Nevada and one was actually in NY but not a sex worker, but rather an architectural student.

Have you got a link and names for the Florida and Nevada cases? I have one Vegas victim named on the list I already posted. I am not aware they had a timeshare or residence in Florida though. I believe they had a time share in Vegas and Atlantic city so i do have some Atlantic city victims on that list too.

ETA ah i see the names are in the video you just posted. Interesting. I already have Jodi Brewer down in my list but didn't know the other four. I will add them to my list.

I took their details from the video.
2003 Victoria Camara, Misty Marie Saens, Jodi Marie Brewer,
2005 Lindsay Marie Harris,
2006 Jessica Edith Louise Foster.

 

[Takeitfromme]

Have you got a link and names for the Florida and Nevada cases? I have one Vegas victim named on the list I already posted. I am not aware they had a timeshare or residence in Florida though. I believe they had a time share in Vegas and Atlantic city so i do have some Atlantic city victims on that list too.

ETA ah i see the names are in the video you just posted. Interesting.

Florida I don't have names for. I've been looking for that... he had relatives that had residences and ties to Florida as well as an uncle who was a priest and involved with catholic charities... I'd have to look back for a video I saw (podcast) about those ties to florida.... didn't name victims but a woman who went on a date that seemed like it lasted just minutes before she bailed contacted John Ray after cb arrest

 

[Takeitfromme]

This guy dived into Florida and catholic charities

 

[Takeitfromme]

This guy dived into Florida and catholic charities

Crap I think that's the wrong video but the right guy