Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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i'm sorry but her crooked and publicity minded atty, comes out right before the new charge of Mack and nothing much heard for some time about her "moving" and "selling". I tell ya all, I was never convinced the family knew anything but was never convinced they didn't either and now oh boy....

WOW. Lots I hadn't finished. Staying with a sister in law in Alaska.

I guess now Vinnie is going to have CM on, I don't give him the time of day but anyhow...

I thought I had seen most of it, either it was longer than I realized or it went onto another one. Pretty sure it's the same one I linked.

I cannot dismiss this woman, or the daughter. Don't really have an opinion on the son but the two females, nope, not able to do. I am NOT saying he is innocent by any means but am talking about knowledge or even participation... I mean one draws are of her dad's horrible fantasies it seems and the other ensures they all profit and I could go on...

There's more to this show than I thought.

And while Ray can be kind of out there, he does keep saying it... As to the family...And was as non flamboyant as I've ever seen him.

Imo Norad should quit tracking Santa and make sure Asa doesn't flee the country, etc...

Add in SKs reaching out and their daughters. well hmmm... This whole thing is effing weird and sus.
So CB has a sister in Alaska? I need to watch this.
 
So CB has a sister in Alaska? I need to watch this.
I believe he said sister in law. Did I type it wrong? I mean I may have but he was the least flamboyant I've ever seen him, and serious. Yes, I'd watch I believe I was still on the same one, just hadn't finished it and figured it continued with more of the same but it didn't, other guests came on including Ray. And CM who I have absolutely no time for for various reasons. He said a few things as well but again I have no time for him.
 
I guess the point is he is convinced the family is involved in this, had knowledge anyhow. Pretty hard to ignore and I sure haven't been able to clear such in my mind either... And I guess I figure they all hear and know more than we do too... I'm not saying one way or the other but yes watch it... If I don't have the right one linked, let me know... I believe it was the same one...
 
I believe he said sister in law. Did I type it wrong? I mean I may have but he was the least flamboyant I've ever seen him, and serious. Yes, I'd watch I believe I was still on the same one, just hadn't finished it and figured it continued with more of the same but it didn't, other guests came on including Ray. And CM who I have absolutely no time for for various reasons. He said a few things as well but again I have no time for him.
I meant to say Asa. Ok i have watched it now. So a sister of Asa would that be? Or a wife of his brother? Weird. It would make sense if it was Asa's sister as she would be used to the climate coming from Iceland. Ray sounds convinced of more victims elsewhere doesnt he?

So he stopped dismembering at some point right? Once DNA testing became common place i guess it became pointless removing head, hands and tattoos.
 
I meant to say Asa. Ok i have watched it now. So a sister of Asa would that be? Or a wife of his brother? Weird. It would make sense if it was Asa's sister as she would be used to the climate coming from Iceland. Ray sounds convinced of more victims elsewhere doesnt he?

So he stopped dismembering at some point right? Once DNA testing became common place i guess it became pointless removing head, hands and tattoos.
Yeah, I haven't been down rabbit holes but not in the easiest of times, I know others more than a few, are not either. I assumed I guess it was the wife of a brother of his but you have a point, it could be through Asa... Never even crossed my mind.

Ray is certainly a challenge, I mean he can be so over the top. But he was so more non flamboyant here than i've maybe ever seen him, and yes, seems very convinced of a few things. Did he to you? I did not even know he was on this show. I had seen most and then not finished. Went back and it was like a big surprise, to finish it. I figured it was more of the same guests

It is not hard to believe the family knew or was even involved when one looks at the daughter's art, and the way Asa moved fast to protect all. And more.

Did he stop dismembering? i thought he went more to it as the years went on but do not take my word for that, you know far better than I. Seriiously. I have real trouble in this one keeping things and victims and such straight. Now in Daybell, I can, the brain is stuffed with it, and a lot of it. I know it pretty darned well, doesn't mean I never forget anything but overall I have it all, in this one maybe I just ran out of room lol.

PLUS the victims were never made a thing or important, etc/

As far as DNA testing, well, I think the touch DNA and things like that or transfer may be creating more problems, but tattoos and hands, etc. it certainly made sense I guess for the time period... SKs love attention so I will end with CB the big crybaby thought to strip such things from victims but had no idea his indulging in a pizza and not eating the crust and throwing it out would be a downfall. IDIOT. And they always think they are smarter.... Poor boy with no butter. He may be getting pizza, they do in Colorado...
 
I think Ray was on at the beginming but Vinnie cut him short and went to the other person. I thought that was rude to cut him off. Then in the second half he let him talk longer but then had another guest on too. It was a bit disjointed IMO.
 
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I guess the point is he is convinced the family is involved in this, had knowledge anyhow. Pretty hard to ignore and I sure haven't been able to clear such in my mind either... And I guess I figure they all hear and know more than we do too... I'm not saying one way or the other but yes watch it... If I don't have the right one linked, let me know... I believe it was the same one...
I'm gonna have to rewatch it
 
I'm gonna have to rewatch it
I might have to too lol. I don't recall Ray on at the beginning. But Vinnie cutting off wouldn't surprise me. I'm not his biggest fan... Once in awhile he has a good show though but yes things are cut, edited, cut short, just like news.

It wasn't the longest show so even though not in me right now to rewatch, if I can, I will.

It's hard to know what to make of Ray sometimes. I mean he really gets out there sometimes and it also makes his victim stories questionable, but I have to say I can't clear the family here either... I mean we get told and told, they weren't home, they weren't home, Tierney makes it very clear but now in the latest one they can't say that. Between the daughter's artwork and the wife and all of them profiting, screwing the victims over while protecting assets, yet no final divorce, contact between SKs, and their families even, it is just really questionable...

Generally I don't go such a route thinking it's more than the obvious or usual thing but in this one.... I just don't know.
 
Have to catch up on these posts but I just came across this, I'm watching it now and thought I would share. I'm only minutes in but it's already interesting
 
Have to catch up on these posts but I just came across this, I'm watching it now and thought I would share. I'm only minutes in but it's already interesting

Just a few minutes in and as I often say, politics. Pool of money, discovery compliance required, can't tap the pool of money to do their job... Spoda. Etc.
 
Have to catch up on these posts but I just came across this, I'm watching it now and thought I would share. I'm only minutes in but it's already interesting

I am not getting in to all this. It is just complicating the whole thing and is just sidetracking. They just need to get on with the prosecution. Just do one at a time if necessary and if money is short. Whether its one or seven, doesn't matter as long as he never gets out again.
 
I am not getting in to all this. It is just complicating the whole thing and is just sidetracking. They just need to get on with the prosecution. Just do one at a time if necessary and if money is short. Whether its one or seven, doesn't matter as long as he never gets out again.
I get it. Sometimes a person needs to just for their own distraction when reasons. I certainly have at times.

I didn't watch it all. Just a bit, and I am so not a Tierny fan. It was mostly the few minutes I watched about the money which I've heard before of course and politics. But again didn't watch all, this was a presser Tierney did, the part I saw and I didn't watch long, then had to do a major phone call, daughter is still stranded now flying to Mpls at 6 I believe... I wonder if it was just a rough day for all...

I will say yes, they do need to get on with it but I do worry when one hears this sh*t. Politics are affecting justice here so much these days and I SO disagree with such. They FINALLY after SUCH a messed up case, have the killer and he needs to never get out and justice needs to be done. NYC is totally full of politics, I'm not even going to claim to know all about it, but it definitely is a thing. Like Harrison leaving. It sure does NOT help justice or cases when such goes on.

But I agree. And money to prosecute or investigate should never be the issue but that's the part I saw. I don't doubt it went further into other things, not sure.

Now kid and hub have to rent a car to get home when they flew out from here, NOT Mpls. I told her, not sure if she got it, to just stay over even though extra money, after the day they've had, meaning get an airport hotel. SO ridiculous.

Hey the adjuster is on my side. Yeah RIGHT. God they think everyone was born yesterday. I told her flat out she's no advocate for me, it was why do you say that?

I guess my point is seems many are having a hard time right now, I know this day here sure was not a good one, just the opposite entirely.

Seems to me those of others probably weren't either.

Kind of a dumb post I guess by me I mean but you are right, it's getting these darned cases tried that matters. I'd like every family to see charges for their loved one Befbut get HIM locked up for life at least and the sooner the better!! Before like lax sh*t lets Asa take him out for a day out... Things really are almost that stupid here. Ours now gets to have family picnics and such, at the low max prison grounds but still.. I can't even describe how little justice that feels like. Low enough sentence and then already moved and such things allowed.

Kind of off point but yes, with CB, get the damned man prosecuted on at least ONE case. OUr system moves SO SLOW. I at least gripe about it even though can't do much, I DO SAY IT.

I get this is not an entirely centered post. It's just simply not been a good day. My kids were in Rapid CIty for God's sake and could have which would have been awful gotten another ticket to fly or rented a car but could not get off and then ended up back in Arizona My mantra is idiots run the world and it is TRUE.

I swear it's just not been good day for ore than a few. Here for sure. Not been a good one and now there's more pressure from other things. I HOPE you had a fair one, I know dealing with hard stuff too, I swear today just seems not so great for more than a few though. And yeah, heat off in December on top of it. A letter from work. Kiddos stranded. More.

Anyhow, others are dealing with even worse I know. And again it's not a very centered post. I think many have had a very hard day. It has been here.

I'll be lucky if I hear from daughter by midnight and know they are home safe, probably later actually. Never got to see my family. Stupid work pressure. You name it. Pain. Just not a good day.

Okay, yep, I definitely need to stop.

BUT to your point of just get him prosecuted, for these cases at least, that's SO right. It truly is.

Before some dumb new rule lets Asa spring him that's how ridiculous things have become in this world. And yeah, guess that's really where I'm at today. Try 26 days with no relief and hardly any sleep, that's not to you, OF COURSE and I KNOW you at least know that, just saying NOT impressed with the way things are and not making excuses but explaining just not easy if anyone wonders. And I know full well others are dealing with even worse.

Believe me there will be like 20 times and fake excuses before a single case here is likely ever tried. I HOPE NOT but very likely.

And I know I need to stop.
 
Again, it's Court TV but the one person is saying how many zeroes are after the likelihood on the hairs, etc. How astronomical that is, we don't even have a "number" for it. It's short but interesting, it does talk to mitochondrial DNA versus nuclear DNA, etc.


Rewatching this now. Was listening to the Andy Puglisi podcast all 8 episodes and just wow
 
Rewatching this now. Was listening to the Andy Puglisi podcast all 8 episodes and just wow
I will readily admit didn't/couldn't watch much today and sometimes never get back to such either. I used to do all before life changed.

I'd like to see that at some point, not sure how I'd take it. The kid cases really get to me as I'm sure they do to anyone, but at times I realize I need to break from things and I don't always realize it in time.

I watched this and yet it seemed disjointed but was not my best day. I will say I cannot clear his family, and do think I've already said that. Recently even. And Ray too doesn't help himself or clients with his flamboyance and behavior but it is probably also why they feel him safer to talk to. Here he was as not flamboyant as I've ever seen him.

Not going to talk of it but haven't been either having the best of times and I think it was the same video but at times another will come on automatically after each. I get little to no sleep for some time now but when I saw the ending parts, I looked at the title and time of it and believe it was the same one.

Let me know, I'm curious.

I know that I just can't clear this family, being part of it with him. Not clearing him. And I mean I guess just from a normal life, I do lean towards of course the kids were not involved or the wife, because it's just how we think, we are normal, well lol relatively compared to this kind of stuff anyhow...

And back to Ray's ways do not help him but he's been pretty insistent on the family knew, even were part... Again it's hard for more "normal" folk and again not claiming normalcy lol but to believe such but in this case... I don't know... Serial killers have been in contact, their daughters with other daughters, all sorts of bizarre sh*t. That's the best way I can put it as I just don't have the words... I tend to lean towards "normal" thoughts but in some cases, the people just are not "normal" and one has to realize and see that... Imo this is one of them.

And I'm not defining normal or claiming to be lol. Everything about this wife and daughter, I mean my God, the artwork, moving fast to profit or retain things, etc. and to attorneys...
 
I came across this article today. It is about a high school reunion in 2023 of Heuermann's classmates. It is a really interesting read. I don't think it has been posted before.


By Corey Kilgannon and Nate Schweber

Corey Kilgannon graduated from Berner High School in 1984.
July 28, 2023
The members of the class of 1983 slapped on their 40th reunion name tags and hit the open bar to reminisce. They squeezed into Johnny McGorey’s Pub across from the Massapequa Park train station on Long Island last weekend, among them former athletes, prom sweethearts and yearbook fixtures.

But the buzz of the reunion was the phantom of Berner High School: Rex Heuermann had suddenly made a name for himself days before, when prosecutors accused him of being a serial killer.

Mr. Heuermann, a 59-year-old architect and high school nobody who had lived his life several blocks from the bar, was arrested July 13. He was charged with killing three women found buried in 2010 near Gilgo Beach on Long Island’s South Shore, and is the prime suspect in the death of a fourth. In all, 11 bodies have been found on the miles-long stretch of shore.

Mr. Heuermann has pleaded not guilty, but his arrest created a sensation, drawing crowds to watch investigators carry evidence from his dilapidated ranch house. Ranks of television cameras and even drones recorded the excavation of the backyard. The news loop on the bar’s television screens broadcast continuous images of the man who had been a reclusive teen at Berner’s margins, sidestepping hallway society, a stranger to the cool-kid cafeteria tables.

At Johnny McGorey’s, the old classmates assessed each other, their inevitable hair loss and weight gain, and then measured how Mr. Heuermann had held up. His face had hardened, they observed, and his gawky frame was now hulking. The goofy glasses were gone, but he still had that mop of hair.

Classmates who remembered Mr. Heuermann, who graduated two grades ahead of them, described him as a victim, albeit one with a mean streak, whose home life was difficult and school life was worse. He was a loner, they said, and a target.
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A squat school structure with a logo.

The student body of Berner High School, as it was in the early 1980s, was organized into strictly defined cliques,Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
“He was everybody’s punching bag,” said John Parisi, who said Mr. Heuermann never really fell into cliques like jocks, nerds or burnouts.

“He got picked on a lot,” Mr. Parisi said. “He would take it and take it and walk away. I seen him pushed to his limit.”

In sixth grade, a group of students had “singled out” the tall, awkward boy and tried to beat him up. After being stopped by a teacher, they tortured him verbally. But in high school, Mr. Heuermann grew larger and more menacing, said Mr. Parisi, who graduated in 1983.

“I was really scared of him. He was the type of guy if he snapped he could really hurt you,” Mr. Parisi said. “He was disillusioned and he was misguided. You had to be very careful.”

Mr. Heuermann came of age in a New York suburb laid out on a tight grid of streets an hour from Midtown Manhattan, with measures of celebrity and notoriety alike. It spawned the acting Baldwin brothers and Jerry Seinfeld, but also Joey Buttafuoco, the swaggering auto body guy whose teenage mistress, Amy Fisher, shot his wife, Mary Jo, at her front door in 1992. Notorious crimes became part of the local lore, including serial killers like the Son of Sam who terrorized nearby Queens, and Joel Rifkin, who went to high school several towns away in East Meadow.

Berner High School is a squat, tan brick structure on the edge of town that students 40 years ago reached by Schwinn or Camaro. Its social groups had rituals: The jocks took trips to the beach and hung out at All American Hamburger Drive-In. The burnouts had Zappa Woods, a leafy hideaway where they could smoke weed and blast Led Zeppelin and the Doors.

Mr. Heuermann, unathletic and uncool, remained “an outcast,” said Dan Musto, 55, who said he knew him growing up. Mr. Heuermann did join the drama club as a stagehand. In a yearbook photo, he towers in the back row above the rest of the students, looking shy in large-framed glasses with his hair unstyled in a world of perfect feathering.

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A yearbook photo of Rex Heuermann.

Rex Heuermann, in a yearbook photo, didn’t fit into any of school’s categories. Credit...The New York Times
And after commencement on the Berner Bison football field, Mr. Heuermann remained removed from the alumni groups, reunions and eventual social media pages for graduates, even as bodies kept turning up on Gilgo Beach.

Over the past dozen years, the murders riveted locals. After numerous dead ends, investigators began closing in on Mr. Heuermann last year with the help of DNA analysis, cellphone records and a witness’s account of seeing a Chevrolet Avalanche like Mr. Heuermann’s.

For some last weekend, it was hard to reconcile the gawky, shy kid on the margins with the man authorities call a sadistic serial killer who preyed on women who worked as escorts. They say he wrapped them in hunting burlap, dropping them along a desolate stretch of Ocean Parkway a short drive from this very reunion, and within walking distance of the school’s favorite beach, Tobay.

“It’s a shock. We knew him,” said Michael Sean ***an, speaking above a room filled with animated conversation and blaring retro soundtrack. “He was nerdy, smart.”

Others said the arrest made a piece fall into place.

“When I heard they arrested him, I was not surprised at all,” Don Ophals, who attended kindergarten through 12th grade with Mr. Heuermann, said in a telephone interview. “I said, ‘Oh my god, it fits perfectly.’ That’s the weird guy.”

“He was a recluse, very quiet,” said Mr. Ophals, a champion wrestler in high school and now a healthcare executive. “You just saw him as a guy by himself. He barely spoke.”

“He was seen as weird, someone you didn’t see eye to eye with.”

In another phone interview, the actor Billy Baldwin, who starred in “Backdraft,” said he had attended junior high and high school with Mr. Heuermann and had known him in passing, to say hello in the hallways and in shared classes. Mr. Baldwin also said Mr. Heuermann never fit into clearly established cliques, “but I also didn’t think he was so weird, so creepy or so unusual that it would lead to something like this.”

“He was a bit shy, a bit insecure, a bit uncomfortable,” he said. “I wouldn’t say he was an outcast but he struggled to fit in and to find his crowd.”

The struggle started early. Mr. Heuermann grew up with three older sisters and a younger brother. His father, Ted, was an aerospace engineer who enjoyed specialty woodworking, a hobby the adult Mr. Heuermann would emulate, making furniture in his garage.

But according to Mr. Musto, it was well known that Mr. Heuermann had clashed with his father, who was tough on the boy for not being a go getter. In response, Rex acted out. He got caught after engaging in a shoplifting spree, Mr. Musto said.

“Why is he getting in trouble? He’s fighting with his dad,” Mr. Musto said. “It was common knowledge.”

His father died when Mr. Heuermann was on the cusp of adolescence. It was 1975, when Rex was 12. After that, the children were raised by their mother, Dolores, now 93 and living in upstate New York.

Mr. Ophals said that in grade school, he once fought Rex simply because his older brother told him to, and prevailed easily. Back then, Mr. Ophals said, bullying was not monitored as it is today.

“That was just how it was at that time,” Mr. Ophals said. “You played the cards you were dealt.”

John DeMicoli, who grew up near the Heuermanns’ rundown home on First Avenue, said young Rex preferred to remain at home, and essentially opted out of social life.

One thing Rex enjoyed was architectural drawing class, he said, “but when classmates would try to talk to him, he didn’t have the social skills to hold a conversation — just a very weird character.”

He was also known for fighting back after he was pushed past his limit.

“He had a mean streak in him,” Mr. DeMicoli said.

After graduating, Mr. Heuermann spent several years doing part-time cleaning and maintenance at Jones Beach, which is several miles west of Gilgo Beach, and also frequented Tobay Beach, which lies between.
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A view of Jones Beach

Rex Heuermann spent several years doing part-time maintenance at Jones Beach, not far from where bodies would be found years later. Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
Mr. Baldwin, who worked several summers as a Tobay lifeguard, said he saw Mr. Heuermann there periodically. Mr. Baldwin called it “very disturbing and ironic” that Mr. Heuermann had been charged with “burying bodies in the dunes, just walking distance from my lifeguard stand.”

Mr. Heuermann went on to college at New York Institute of Technology on Long Island to study architectural technology. He eventually started his own business in Manhattan as an architectural consultant and became proficient at making sure renovations followed intricate building codes — tormenting many of the contractors and homeowners he dealt with.

As a married father, he bought his family home in the 1990s and let it fall into disrepair as surrounding properties soared in value and were renovated.

One of the few neighbors Mr. Heuermann spoke to was Etienne de Villiers, 68, whose immaculately kept house next door stood in keen contrast with Mr. Heuermann’s. Mr. de Villiers said he had only passing conversations with Mr. Heuermann along with a few minor conflicts, like the time he had to tell Mr. Heuermann to stop leering at his wife over the backyard fence while she was sunbathing.

Mr. de Villiers watched as Mr. Heuermann seemed to be raising his children to be as isolated as he had been, in the same rundown off-limits house. He said that when Mr. Heuermann’s daughter Victoria, now 26, got her license, “I wanted to tell her, ‘Just get in your car and drive and never come back.’”

At Johnny McGorey’s Pub, Mr. DeMicoli was more concerned with raising a glass with former classmates than dwelling on Mr. Heuermann. But he recalled once when he and his friends had tried to recruit the huge, awkward boy into their street hockey game. “He would have been a great goalie,” he said, almost wistfully.

The brief effort at inclusion came to nothing.

“He just didn’t want any part of it, he didn’t want any part of sports,” Mr. DeMicoli said. “He didn’t want any part of anything.”

Andy Newman contributed reporting.
 
Just saw this....
So is this science proven or not? I mean they have other evidence too eg one woman he was seen meeting on video in a hotel and he also rang their relatives on the victims own phones while having his phone on him too. This guy was no mastermind and it is a disgrace how long this has taken.
 
So is this science proven or not? I mean they have other evidence too eg one woman he was seen meeting on video in a hotel and he also rang their relatives on the victims own phones while having his phone on him too. This guy was no mastermind and it is a disgrace how long this has taken.

He's entitled to a vigorous defense. It's good to do all of this so he can't claim poor attorneys and get a retrial.
 
This is the part of the website of Astrea that details many of the cases where they have used their tecnique to identify individuals successfully. It is impressive. We can follow some of these cases to see how well it has worked.

 

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