Who is the LONG ISLAND SERIAL KILLER? *ARREST JULY 2023*

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Who is the Long Island serial killer? This is a general discussion thread about this terrifying case.


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He's entitled to a vigorous defense. It's good to do all of this so he can't claim poor attorneys and get a retrial.
I completely agree but it doesn't look like what the D are saying is true. I just posted a link and it looks like this science is phenomenal. Obviously it is their job to challenge evidence but these victims' families have waited for decades already, while he has been free to continue his life and murderous perversions unchallenged due to corrupt LE over the years.

This science is proven.
 
This is the part of the website of Astrea that details many of the cases where they have used their tecnique to identify individuals successfully. It is impressive. We can follow some of these cases to see how well it has worked.

Great idea to follow this
 
I came across this article today. It is about a high school reunion in 2023 of Heuermann's classmates. It is a really interesting read. I don't think it has been posted before.


By Corey Kilgannon and Nate Schweber

Corey Kilgannon graduated from Berner High School in 1984.
July 28, 2023
The members of the class of 1983 slapped on their 40th reunion name tags and hit the open bar to reminisce. They squeezed into Johnny McGorey’s Pub across from the Massapequa Park train station on Long Island last weekend, among them former athletes, prom sweethearts and yearbook fixtures.

But the buzz of the reunion was the phantom of Berner High School: Rex Heuermann had suddenly made a name for himself days before, when prosecutors accused him of being a serial killer.

Mr. Heuermann, a 59-year-old architect and high school nobody who had lived his life several blocks from the bar, was arrested July 13. He was charged with killing three women found buried in 2010 near Gilgo Beach on Long Island’s South Shore, and is the prime suspect in the death of a fourth. In all, 11 bodies have been found on the miles-long stretch of shore.

Mr. Heuermann has pleaded not guilty, but his arrest created a sensation, drawing crowds to watch investigators carry evidence from his dilapidated ranch house. Ranks of television cameras and even drones recorded the excavation of the backyard. The news loop on the bar’s television screens broadcast continuous images of the man who had been a reclusive teen at Berner’s margins, sidestepping hallway society, a stranger to the cool-kid cafeteria tables.

At Johnny McGorey’s, the old classmates assessed each other, their inevitable hair loss and weight gain, and then measured how Mr. Heuermann had held up. His face had hardened, they observed, and his gawky frame was now hulking. The goofy glasses were gone, but he still had that mop of hair.

Classmates who remembered Mr. Heuermann, who graduated two grades ahead of them, described him as a victim, albeit one with a mean streak, whose home life was difficult and school life was worse. He was a loner, they said, and a target.
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A squat school structure with a logo.

The student body of Berner High School, as it was in the early 1980s, was organized into strictly defined cliques,Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
“He was everybody’s punching bag,” said John Parisi, who said Mr. Heuermann never really fell into cliques like jocks, nerds or burnouts.

“He got picked on a lot,” Mr. Parisi said. “He would take it and take it and walk away. I seen him pushed to his limit.”

In sixth grade, a group of students had “singled out” the tall, awkward boy and tried to beat him up. After being stopped by a teacher, they tortured him verbally. But in high school, Mr. Heuermann grew larger and more menacing, said Mr. Parisi, who graduated in 1983.

“I was really scared of him. He was the type of guy if he snapped he could really hurt you,” Mr. Parisi said. “He was disillusioned and he was misguided. You had to be very careful.”

Mr. Heuermann came of age in a New York suburb laid out on a tight grid of streets an hour from Midtown Manhattan, with measures of celebrity and notoriety alike. It spawned the acting Baldwin brothers and Jerry Seinfeld, but also Joey Buttafuoco, the swaggering auto body guy whose teenage mistress, Amy Fisher, shot his wife, Mary Jo, at her front door in 1992. Notorious crimes became part of the local lore, including serial killers like the Son of Sam who terrorized nearby Queens, and Joel Rifkin, who went to high school several towns away in East Meadow.

Berner High School is a squat, tan brick structure on the edge of town that students 40 years ago reached by Schwinn or Camaro. Its social groups had rituals: The jocks took trips to the beach and hung out at All American Hamburger Drive-In. The burnouts had Zappa Woods, a leafy hideaway where they could smoke weed and blast Led Zeppelin and the Doors.

Mr. Heuermann, unathletic and uncool, remained “an outcast,” said Dan Musto, 55, who said he knew him growing up. Mr. Heuermann did join the drama club as a stagehand. In a yearbook photo, he towers in the back row above the rest of the students, looking shy in large-framed glasses with his hair unstyled in a world of perfect feathering.

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A yearbook photo of Rex Heuermann.

Rex Heuermann, in a yearbook photo, didn’t fit into any of school’s categories. Credit...The New York Times
And after commencement on the Berner Bison football field, Mr. Heuermann remained removed from the alumni groups, reunions and eventual social media pages for graduates, even as bodies kept turning up on Gilgo Beach.

Over the past dozen years, the murders riveted locals. After numerous dead ends, investigators began closing in on Mr. Heuermann last year with the help of DNA analysis, cellphone records and a witness’s account of seeing a Chevrolet Avalanche like Mr. Heuermann’s.

For some last weekend, it was hard to reconcile the gawky, shy kid on the margins with the man authorities call a sadistic serial killer who preyed on women who worked as escorts. They say he wrapped them in hunting burlap, dropping them along a desolate stretch of Ocean Parkway a short drive from this very reunion, and within walking distance of the school’s favorite beach, Tobay.

“It’s a shock. We knew him,” said Michael Sean ***an, speaking above a room filled with animated conversation and blaring retro soundtrack. “He was nerdy, smart.”

Others said the arrest made a piece fall into place.

“When I heard they arrested him, I was not surprised at all,” Don Ophals, who attended kindergarten through 12th grade with Mr. Heuermann, said in a telephone interview. “I said, ‘Oh my god, it fits perfectly.’ That’s the weird guy.”

“He was a recluse, very quiet,” said Mr. Ophals, a champion wrestler in high school and now a healthcare executive. “You just saw him as a guy by himself. He barely spoke.”

“He was seen as weird, someone you didn’t see eye to eye with.”

In another phone interview, the actor Billy Baldwin, who starred in “Backdraft,” said he had attended junior high and high school with Mr. Heuermann and had known him in passing, to say hello in the hallways and in shared classes. Mr. Baldwin also said Mr. Heuermann never fit into clearly established cliques, “but I also didn’t think he was so weird, so creepy or so unusual that it would lead to something like this.”

“He was a bit shy, a bit insecure, a bit uncomfortable,” he said. “I wouldn’t say he was an outcast but he struggled to fit in and to find his crowd.”

The struggle started early. Mr. Heuermann grew up with three older sisters and a younger brother. His father, Ted, was an aerospace engineer who enjoyed specialty woodworking, a hobby the adult Mr. Heuermann would emulate, making furniture in his garage.

But according to Mr. Musto, it was well known that Mr. Heuermann had clashed with his father, who was tough on the boy for not being a go getter. In response, Rex acted out. He got caught after engaging in a shoplifting spree, Mr. Musto said.

“Why is he getting in trouble? He’s fighting with his dad,” Mr. Musto said. “It was common knowledge.”

His father died when Mr. Heuermann was on the cusp of adolescence. It was 1975, when Rex was 12. After that, the children were raised by their mother, Dolores, now 93 and living in upstate New York.

Mr. Ophals said that in grade school, he once fought Rex simply because his older brother told him to, and prevailed easily. Back then, Mr. Ophals said, bullying was not monitored as it is today.

“That was just how it was at that time,” Mr. Ophals said. “You played the cards you were dealt.”

John DeMicoli, who grew up near the Heuermanns’ rundown home on First Avenue, said young Rex preferred to remain at home, and essentially opted out of social life.

One thing Rex enjoyed was architectural drawing class, he said, “but when classmates would try to talk to him, he didn’t have the social skills to hold a conversation — just a very weird character.”

He was also known for fighting back after he was pushed past his limit.

“He had a mean streak in him,” Mr. DeMicoli said.

After graduating, Mr. Heuermann spent several years doing part-time cleaning and maintenance at Jones Beach, which is several miles west of Gilgo Beach, and also frequented Tobay Beach, which lies between.
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A view of Jones Beach

Rex Heuermann spent several years doing part-time maintenance at Jones Beach, not far from where bodies would be found years later. Credit...Johnny Milano for The New York Times
Mr. Baldwin, who worked several summers as a Tobay lifeguard, said he saw Mr. Heuermann there periodically. Mr. Baldwin called it “very disturbing and ironic” that Mr. Heuermann had been charged with “burying bodies in the dunes, just walking distance from my lifeguard stand.”

Mr. Heuermann went on to college at New York Institute of Technology on Long Island to study architectural technology. He eventually started his own business in Manhattan as an architectural consultant and became proficient at making sure renovations followed intricate building codes — tormenting many of the contractors and homeowners he dealt with.

As a married father, he bought his family home in the 1990s and let it fall into disrepair as surrounding properties soared in value and were renovated.

One of the few neighbors Mr. Heuermann spoke to was Etienne de Villiers, 68, whose immaculately kept house next door stood in keen contrast with Mr. Heuermann’s. Mr. de Villiers said he had only passing conversations with Mr. Heuermann along with a few minor conflicts, like the time he had to tell Mr. Heuermann to stop leering at his wife over the backyard fence while she was sunbathing.

Mr. de Villiers watched as Mr. Heuermann seemed to be raising his children to be as isolated as he had been, in the same rundown off-limits house. He said that when Mr. Heuermann’s daughter Victoria, now 26, got her license, “I wanted to tell her, ‘Just get in your car and drive and never come back.’”

At Johnny McGorey’s Pub, Mr. DeMicoli was more concerned with raising a glass with former classmates than dwelling on Mr. Heuermann. But he recalled once when he and his friends had tried to recruit the huge, awkward boy into their street hockey game. “He would have been a great goalie,” he said, almost wistfully.

The brief effort at inclusion came to nothing.

“He just didn’t want any part of it, he didn’t want any part of sports,” Mr. DeMicoli said. “He didn’t want any part of anything.”

Andy Newman contributed reporting.
So probably heard it before but the younger bro has to be the one in SC as it's the only bro. Three older sisters, wonder where they are, none apparently attend hearings. Father's name was Ted, pretty sure we still don't know what he died from. Mother Dolores now 93. Assuming the folks were the same age, which no way of knowing I don't think, his father would have died around the age of 43. Pretty young. Probably give or take a few years just in likelihood as they probably were not the same age.

Leering at the neighbor's wife, think I've heard before, but reminded me of it.

Neighbor wanted to tell daughter when she got her license to get in car take off and never look back.

Raised his own kids in same isolated way he was.

This family seems odd all the way around. I mean he was isolated, we don't know how the mom supported five kids, clashed with his father. Father died young. I just keep feeling there is something more here. NOT an excuse of course, but I just feel there's some "root" here.
 
Just saw this....
My first thought is what else is the defense atty going to do but argue such.... It is newer technology though I believe but I also believe had it no basis, they wouldn't have used it. I trust they can argue it and it will stand, but I guess we will see. Good find. It had been hinted at they'd be doing such but this is a recent article.
 
So is this science proven or not? I mean they have other evidence too eg one woman he was seen meeting on video in a hotel and he also rang their relatives on the victims own phones while having his phone on him too. This guy was no mastermind and it is a disgrace how long this has taken.
All true, and they have a lot of cell data on top of all that.
 
This is the part of the website of Astrea that details many of the cases where they have used their tecnique to identify individuals successfully. It is impressive. We can follow some of these cases to see how well it has worked.

Wow, just took a glance, that's a lot of cases.
 
I completely agree but it doesn't look like what the D are saying is true. I just posted a link and it looks like this science is phenomenal. Obviously it is their job to challenge evidence but these victims' families have waited for decades already, while he has been free to continue his life and murderous perversions unchallenged due to corrupt LE over the years.

This science is proven.
Sure seems to be. Not exactly like this is the first case it was used in that's for sure.
 
I think it hasn't been used in NY before so that is the issue. They are due to discuss it on 15th Jan in court - just two days time. Ray Tierney is up for reelection too, this year.


RIVERHEAD, N.Y. — Ray Tierney, the district attorney credited for the arrest of Rex Heuermann in the Gilgo Beach serial killer case, will be running for re-election next year.

Many in the audience of supporters at Tuesday's announcement in Riverhead praised Tierney and his cold case team for the arrest that has garnered worldwide attention.

DNA will be discussed in Gilgo Beach murders pre-trial hearing​

The announcement included new details about evidence linked to the accused killer.

"We're starting to get into the meat of the case with pre-trial hearings," Tierney said.

One hearing promises to be centered around DNA.

On Tuesday, the defense team for Heuermann asked the judge to exclude expert nuclear DNA testimony related to hairs found at six crime scenes.

"If we were not confident in the efficacy and the admissibility of that evidence, we would not have used it," Tierney said.

But the defense has repeatedly argued that the California laboratory working with Suffolk investigators should not be accepted as reliable and has been questioned within the scientific community.

"I know [Heuermann]'s extremely frustrated. He's said from day one, he is not responsible for these murders," defense attorney Michael J. Brown said back on Dec. 17.

The California lab's analysis linked hairs from Heuermann and his family members to six of the seven alleged victims in the indictment.

"There is a tremendous amount of evidence in the case," Tierney said.

The Supreme Court judge said he intends to schedule the DNA hearing when Heuermann returns to court on Jan. 15.

Meanwhile, Tierney says investigation into all the unsolved Gilgo Beach cold cases continues.

"We are going to look at these cold cases in a comprehensive way, each one," he said.

Heuermann's estranged wife and children are not suspects.

More from CBS News​

 
I think it hasn't been used in NY before so that is the issue. They are due to discuss it on 15th Jan in court - just two days time. Ray Tierney is up for reelection too.


RIVERHEAD, N.Y. — Ray Tierney, the district attorney credited for the arrest of Rex Heuermann in the Gilgo Beach serial killer case, will be running for re-election next year.

Many in the audience of supporters at Tuesday's announcement in Riverhead praised Tierney and his cold case team for the arrest that has garnered worldwide attention.

DNA will be discussed in Gilgo Beach murders pre-trial hearing​

The announcement included new details about evidence linked to the accused killer.

"We're starting to get into the meat of the case with pre-trial hearings," Tierney said.

One hearing promises to be centered around DNA.

On Tuesday, the defense team for Heuermann asked the judge to exclude expert nuclear DNA testimony related to hairs found at six crime scenes.

"If we were not confident in the efficacy and the admissibility of that evidence, we would not have used it," Tierney said.

But the defense has repeatedly argued that the California laboratory working with Suffolk investigators should not be accepted as reliable and has been questioned within the scientific community.

"I know [Heuermann]'s extremely frustrated. He's said from day one, he is not responsible for these murders," defense attorney Michael J. Brown said back on Dec. 17.

The California lab's analysis linked hairs from Heuermann and his family members to six of the seven alleged victims in the indictment.

"There is a tremendous amount of evidence in the case," Tierney said.

The Supreme Court judge said he intends to schedule the DNA hearing when Heuermann returns to court on Jan. 15.

Meanwhile, Tierney says investigation into all the unsolved Gilgo Beach cold cases continues.

"We are going to look at these cold cases in a comprehensive way, each one," he said.

Heuermann's estranged wife and children are not suspects.

More from CBS News​

I don't know why hitting reply put up the whole body of that link here.

Tierney talked like he is more than ready to defend the science so let's hope. And really what else can the defense do?

When is he up for election? Not this minute I'm sure. April, November? Is he opposed or will he be? I'm not in love with the guy quite honestly but since he is getting charge after charge here, I'd say his chances of staying in office are pretty good.
 
Another defense looking to smash DNA evidence..... just great.....
Take heart. I don't think it will work. Well I hope not, but I really don't think it will. I think this has been used a few times now, perhaps not in New York, but it has been used I believe. I think they'll be able to back up the science.
 
I don't know why hitting reply put up the whole body of that link here.

Tierney talked like he is more than ready to defend the science so let's hope. And really what else can the defense do?

When is he up for election? Not this minute I'm sure. April, November? Is he opposed or will he be? I'm not in love with the guy quite honestly but since he is getting charge after charge here, I'd say his chances of staying in office are pretty good.
You probably saw the post and answered it while i was still copying the actual text in to the post.
 
This article has a bit more info on the discussions they are going to have regarding the DNA. It is called a Frye hearing.


RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (Court TV) — The case of accused Long Island serial killer Rex Heuermann is headed for a showdown over novel DNA testing that prosecutors say connects Heuermann to the murders of six women and Heuermann’s defense derides as “magical” conjecture.

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FILE – Alleged Gilgo serial killer Rex Heuermann appears inside Judge Tim Mazzei’s courtroom on Feb. 6, 2024 in Riverhead, N.Y. Prosecutors are planning a major announcement in the case as Heuermann is set to appear in criminal court on Long Island on Thursday, June 6, 2024. (James Carbone/Newsday via AP)
Heuermann appeared in a Riverhead, New York, courtroom Wednesday to discuss the status of discovery and other evidentiary matters that need to be resolved before the case goes to trial. Dressed in a suit and tie with his hands cuffed behind him, the 54-year-old former architect stood silently during the 5-minute courtroom proceeding while attorneys shared updates with Supreme Court Judge Timothy Mazzei.

Heuermann’s lawyer, Michael Brown, told the judge he’s waiting until he receives all evidence from prosecutors to file any motions – in particular, a motion for what’s known as a “Frye” hearing to determine the scientific validity of DNA testing that prosecutors say implicates Heuermann in the murders.

Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney said his office won’t object to the hearing because they see as an opportunity to prove the admissibility of the testing, which Tierney said has not been used in a New York criminal trial before this one.

Judge Mazzei urged prosecutors to complete discovery by Heuermann’s next court date on December 17. Mazzei also urged the parties to try to reach an agreement on what would be debated in a Frye hearing to avoid the need for motions litigating the contested issues.

RELATED | A timeline of the investigation into the Gilgo Beach killings

Prosecutors said in Wednesday’s hearing they have given the defense all evidence related to DNA testing in the case, including records from the Suffolk County crime lab and a private lab that provided the contested results allegedly linking Heuermann to the victims. They also said they have handed over 99.9% of all raw data from every electronic piece of evidence collected from 400 devices.

After the hearing, both sides addressed the media, speaking for longer than the hearing lasted.

District Attorney Tierney called the December discovery deadline “ambitious” given the volume of evidence collected over the past three decades. Tierney spoke at length about funding his office needs to comply with discovery obligations, drawing attention to forfeiture funds that he said the federal government has frozen as part of an DOJ investigation.

In addition to the evidentiary hearing, Heuermann’s lawyer said he intends to pursue a venue change motion and motion to sever charges related to two victims who went missing in the 1990s. The attorney accused Suffolk County officials of poisoning the jury pool with inflammatory comments about Heuermann’s alleged guilt and demeanor.

RELATED | Prosecutors: Rex Heuermann kept document to ‘blueprint’ crimes

Brown spoke at length about the importance of the Frye hearing, describing the contested DNA results as “magical” evidence that was generated by a for-profit lab on the west coast after the Suffolk County crime lab was unable to link Heuermann to the victims using another form of DNA testing.

Otherwise, Brown told reporters Heuermann is eager for his day in court. In the meantime, Brown said Heuermann remains in isolation in Suffolk County jail for his safety even though Heuermann doesn’t think it’s necessary.
 
I'm pretty sure there will be no cameras in any of these hearings or the trial. I'm almost positive NY doesn't allow cameras in the courts
 
I'm pretty sure there will be no cameras in any of these hearings or the trial. I'm almost positive NY doesn't allow cameras in the courts
Well they did in President Trump's NY court hearings so how is this different? Next court date is on Wednesday the 15th Jan so not long to wait to find out anyway.
 
Well they did in President Trump's NY court hearings so how is this different? Next court date is on Wednesday the 15th Jan so not long to wait to find out anyway.
I don't think there's been a camera yet in CB's hearings has there?
 

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