AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*

Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men...

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.

After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georg…

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After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”

 

[Guess Who]

The info that Daisy just posted is an interesting read. The owner called LE more than once when the property was "trespassed" but it sounds as if he never saw him nor anyone else steal anything on video...?

Oh, this guy just keep getting better and better!

Per that article.

McMichael called police shortly after 11 a.m. on Jan. 1 to report that someone had stolen a Smith and Wesson handgun out of his unlocked truck sometime between 9:30 a.m. and 10:45 a.m. that morning.

This guy was LE?? Seriously?

 

[Guess Who]

The info that Daisy just posted is an interesting read. The owner called LE more than once when the property was "trespassed" but it sounds as if he never saw him nor anyone else steal anything on video...?

“Once again, English stated it appears the unknown male is only trespassing and plundering around as he has yet to see where anything has been taken," Rash’s report said.

“Mr. English himself has said no criminal activity ever took place there and it is clear that Ahmaud was on the premises in the past along with many other people,”

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh, this guy just keep getting better and better!

Per that article.

McMichael called police shortly after 11 a.m. on Jan. 1 to report that someone had stolen a Smith and Wesson handgun out of his unlocked truck sometime between 9:30 a.m. and 10:45 a.m. that morning.

This guy was LE?? Seriously?

I think that was the kid and not the LE dad or do I have them mixed up? But yes, unlocked and he sure had a very specific window of time. That was a good article with a lot of things I had not read before. Now don't get me wrong, I understand an unlocked vehicle IF you have nothing in it or live so rural that you know it is so unlikely anyone would actually come onto your property. But in this case, it seems a bit odd and then what he parked it on the street or something or dad moved it? A LOT of food for thought...

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I posted it so you would read the article, also. The letter really means nothing since he has recused himself.

That letter is so steeped in BS that it probably smells like crap.

 

[Guess Who]

I think that was the kid and not the LE dad or do I have them mixed up? But yes, unlocked and he sure had a very specific window of time. That was a good article with a lot of things I had not read before. Now don't get me wrong, I understand an unlocked vehicle IF you have nothing in it or live so rural that you know it is so unlikely anyone would actually come onto your property. But in this case, it seems a bit odd and then what he parked it on the street or something or dad moved it? A LOT of food for thought...

he was a cop. It was his firearm and his vehicle. He knows better. The more and more i hear about his lack of responsibility and decision making, it seems a good thing that he is no longer in LE.

 

[GrandmaBear]

he was a cop. It was his firearm and his vehicle. He knows better. The more and more i hear about his lack of responsibility and decision making, it seems a good thing that he is no longer in LE.

Agree. The more I read and that is released just cements my opinion more as well, thus far anyhow.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Georgia congressmen ask Barr to assist Arbery investigation

ATLANTA (AP) - All of Georgia's lawmakers in the U.S. House asked Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday to involve the Justice Department in investigations of the slaying of Ahmaud Arbery as well as potential misconduct by local authorities who took more than two months to bring charges in...

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[daisy7]

Georgia congressmen ask Barr to assist Arbery investigation

ATLANTA (AP) - All of Georgia's lawmakers in the U.S. House asked Attorney General William Barr on Wednesday to involve the Justice Department in investigations of the slaying of Ahmaud Arbery as well as potential misconduct by local authorities who took more than two months to bring charges in...

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All 14 members of the Georgia delegation, Republicans and Democrats, signed the letter addressed to Barr and Eric Dreiband, the assistant attorney general over the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division.

Glad to read this!!

 

[Howell]

that was my kindle changing the word intent to attempt. it was supposed to say intent.

A person commits the offense of burglary in the second degree when, without authority and with the intent to commit a felony or theft therein, he or she enters or remains within an occupied, unoccupied, or vacant building, structure, vehicle, railroad car, watercraft, or aircraft."

They had absolutely no proof of any intent he had of anything.
They had video of absolutely no theft happening at that time, either.

With all due respect, this is getting a bit frustrating as you seem to be missing/ignoring about half of what's being said. They did not need "proof". Again, the standard is "...within his immediate knowledge...upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion".

So again I'll ask, what do you believe was Arbery's intent entering that home repeatedly? At night, with a flashlight? Be honest.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

So again I'll ask, what do you believe was Arbery's intent entering that home repeatedly? At night, with a flashlight? Be honest.

Who cares? It's not their problem. It's not even their property. Call the real police. Don't try to be a vigilante.

 

[Howell]

Who cares? It's not their problem. It's not even their property. Call the real police. Don't try to be a vigilante.

I disagree. A serial trespasser/thief in the neighborhood represents a threat and a problem to all of the neighbors. The elder McMichael was a retired/former PO, but nonetheless they did call the "real police". They were trying to stop and talk to the guy and he ATTACKED THEM. This is the point so many of you wish to ignore. If Arbery hadn't attacked them, he'd still be alive today. That's the bottom line.

 

[GrandmaBear]

At the risk of not having a popular opinion, I realized the other day with one of the last posts of information from a source that a person if they believe one way or the other could make it work for them, just as we all do with politics or any hot subject (imo). I do not disagree it was not wise of Arbery to be trespassing into this home more than once IF he was, we have no proof to date any video was even him. I have entered a home or two in my life without permission, generally for sale and only under very certain circumstances, but I also would be quite upset if I found someone in my home or saw them on video whether I lived there or not. There are neighborhood watches and I understand that. Here is one thing that has not been mentioned that was in the article Daisy posted:

"Three units are listed as “responding officers” in the report. One of them was Officer Robert Rash, who would later make contact with English and enlist the help of former DA investigator and Glynn County police officer Greg McMichael."

This was due to a prior incident. It almost sounds like he was "deputized" or felt he was in a way. And I believe this was due to a call by the homeowner.

As I read the article, I noticed things that could help either side but by the end, I felt what the McDaniels did was still out of line and caused this.

Just sayin' and I don't want to get in the middle of a back and forth between two or anyone, but Howell you say others ignore part of something but you also only seem to look at things from one point of view and ignore others as well. I think most of us do to fit what we think.

In summary, to me, that shows that there is plenty here to question and it is not clear cut in some regards.

Just my humble opinion though. [Edited the paragraph starting with Just sayin']

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

A serial trespasser/thief in the neighborhood represents a threat and a problem to all of the neighbors.

An even better reason to let the actual police deal with it.

They were trying to stop and talk to the guy and he ATTACKED THEM.

Maybe he thought that was his only option? To get the gun away from him. I certainly know that if I'm out alone on a walk/jog/hike and I am cornered by other people brandishing guns, the absolute LAST thing I'm going to do is stop to have a nice chat. Could he have continued running? Maybe. But he had already done that and they were following him and boxing him in. They likely would have kept following him and harassing him until they got him. So, stop to chat...out. Keep going...out. You keep defending these men for "making a mistake" with their decisions, but won't give Ahmaud the benefit of the doubt for maybe also making a stupid decision? HE DID NOT DESERVE TO BE KILLED. Victim blaming at its finest. Nope, don't blame the men who chased him down with guns. Blame the guy trying to get the gun away from them.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think what needs to come from this and even cases prior is a clear definition and very specific one of citizen's arrests, self defense, defending your property, etc. I mentioned a page or two back or more an incident where a property owner booby trapped his property (long ago too and no racism involved) to catch the thief and he was charged. Most people were shocked because the belief was all have a right to defend their own property. Laws change and if they don't change, opinions do.

I have never had a firearm pointed at me and I can't imagine but I have been in a position of fight or flight and I fought and thought I was dead. I will leave that at that. Again this father was in his 50s wasn't he and former LE??

Again, jmho and thoughts thus far.

 

[Guess Who]

With all due respect, this is getting a bit frustrating as you seem to be missing/ignoring about half of what's being said. They did not need "proof". Again, the standard is "...within his immediate knowledge...upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion".

So again I'll ask, what do you believe was Arbery's intent entering that home repeatedly? At night, with a flashlight? Be honest.

You be honest and see why with all of those other people that were filmed at that very property not met with a loaded shotgun? Are you also assuming that all of thise other people filmed at that property were there just to steal from it?

 

[KareBear]

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With all due respect, this is getting a bit frustrating as you seem to be missing/ignoring about half of what's being said. They did not need "proof". Again, the standard is "...within his immediate knowledge...upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion".

So again I'll ask, what do you believe was Arbery's intent entering that home repeatedly? At night, with a flashlight? Be honest.

I watch exploration videos on youtube all the time. Alot of people trespass when exploring. It's not okay or legal, but it doesnt call for lethal consequences. I'm not saying that he was youtuber, or exploring. Maybe he was exploring.... Maybe he was a carpentry enthusiast..Maybe he was just getting water... Maybe not..We don't know. We were robbed of the opportunity to hear his side of the story. Anyway, my point is there could have been another explanation other than theft. The men in the truck already had their minds made up before questioning him. Who wouldn't feel threatened by multiple guys pulling up in a truck asking accusatory questions and brandishing their shotgun? Who was really the first to fear for their life here?

 

[Guess Who]

I think what needs to come from this and even cases prior is a clear definition and very specific one of citizen's arrests, self defense, defending your property, etc. I mentioned a page or two back or more an incident where a property owner booby trapped his property (long ago too and no racism involved) to catch the thief and he was charged. Most people were shocked because the belief was all have a right to defend their own property. Laws change and if they don't change, opinions do.

I have never had a firearm pointed at me and I can't imagine but I have been in a position of fight or flight and I fought and thought I was dead. I will leave that at that. Again this father was in his 50s wasn't he and former LE??

Again, jmho and thoughts thus far.

I would feel totally different if they were defending their own property, but you do not go to just question somebody that might be doing something somewhere else with a loaded shotgun.

 

[GrandmaBear]

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I watch exploration videos on youtube all the time. Alot of people trespass when exploring. It's not okay or legal, but it doesnt call for lethal consequences. I'm not saying that he was youtuber, or exploring. Maybe he was exploring.... Maybe he was a carpentry enthusiast..Maybe he was just getting water... Maybe not..We don't know. We were robbed of the opportunity to hear his side of the story. Anyway, my point is there could have been another explanation other than theft. The men in the truck already had their minds made up before questioning him. Who wouldn't feel threatened by multiple guys pulling up in a truck asking accusatory questions and brandishing their shotgun? Who was really the first to feel threatened here?

Very good points. Their reaction was uncalled for. And they went around to cut him off and block him, etc. He knew they were unlikely to quit.

As said way back EVEN if he was running down the street with a stolen item, it still is an overreaction. I personally think they were ticked to no end that they had no proof to date and no arrest and were BENT on stopping who they thought deserved it and was the cause (without proof).

Jmo.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I would feel totally different if they were defending their own property, but you do not go to just question somebody that might be doing something somewhere else with a loaded shotgun.

I don't disagree at all, I think I show that or hope I do. If someone tried to carjack me with a gun I would say take the car, I give a hoot, just let me go. If I had a gun in my pocket, I would do the same and not reach for it. If, however, I had a child in the backseat and they were about to take off with the car, I may well fight to the death. There was NO reason here imo, and I am not talking law, I am talking when theft or material goods matter more than possible killing or death. Dam* right I would protect my loved ones to the end, they want a car, a TV or a hammer, TAKE IT and you can be caught later.

And they didn't even HAVE any of that on him that we know thus far and it was not their property. This had to look like a posse to him, seriously. I remember my first trip to Mexico and not the most well known spots, and seeing a bunch of uniformed officers in the back of pickups almost like an execution squad because we don't see that here and it instills a REAL fear.

Your other great point is he is not here to tell the other side. I am not even going to say that he possibly could have been up to no good but you can't have one side maligning someone if there is no proof when they are not here to defend themselves.

He was not a child and I do think though it would be wise in this sad age just like we have to warn children about everyone and the internet, etc. don't even take the chance of trespassing. And on the other hand, this former investigator, son and the neighbor should have never taken the chance that they did or cornered him over NOTHING.

ETA: JMO.

 

[Howell]

An even better reason to let the actual police deal with it.




Maybe he thought that was his only option? To get the gun away from him. I certainly know that if I'm out alone on a walk/jog/hike and I am cornered by other people brandishing guns, the absolute LAST thing I'm going to do is stop to have a nice chat. Could he have continued running? Maybe. But he had already done that and they were following him and boxing him in. They likely would have kept following him and harassing him until they got him. So, stop to chat...out. Keep going...out. You keep defending these men for "making a mistake" with their decisions, but won't give Ahmaud the benefit of the doubt for maybe also making a stupid decision? HE DID NOT DESERVE TO BE KILLED. Victim blaming at its finest. Nope, don't blame the men who chased him down with guns. Blame the guy trying to get the gun away from them.

OK, so before you would stop and say "What do you guys want? Why are you following me?"(the normal reaction), before you would just keep running(the annoyed reaction), before you would call 911(the fearful reaction), you would attack the guy who was holding a shotgun? Right. Let's get back to reality now. To be sure, the McMichaels approached the situation foolishly, as I've said all along. But they didn't attack anyone. Call it "victim blaming" if you wish, but I don't think Arbery is the victim here.