AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*

Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men...

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.

After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georg…

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After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”

 

[Howell]

You be honest and see why with all of those other people that were filmed at that very property not met with a loaded shotgun? Are you also assuming that all of thise other people filmed at that property were there just to steal from it?

Because those other people didn't return to the property over and over again, and then run away when they were caught on the property. Do you not see the difference?

But again, you've refused to answer my question. Once more: What do you believe was Arbery's intent entering that home repeatedly? At night, with a flashlight?

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Call it "victim blaming" if you wish, but I don't think Arbery is the victim here.

You don't call the dead guy the victim? It's the two guys locked up for no reason? Alright. I'm done with this conversation. Have a good night.

 

[Howell]

Just sayin' and I don't want to get in the middle of a back and forth between two or anyone, but Howell you say others ignore part of something but you also only seem to look at things from one point of view and ignore others as well. I think most of us do to fit what we think.

In summary, to me, that shows that there is plenty here to question and it is not clear cut in some regards.

Just my humble opinion though.

As I told you before, I agree this is not a clear-cut case. There's a lot of room for different perspectives. I've conceded the fact that the McMichaels acted foolishly in brandishing the shotgun. Even pursuing him was probably ill-advised. But unlike the poster I was referring to, I've not ignored any serious question put to me. I've tried to stay focused on the facts as we know them. I've not made any assumptions about Arbery's cultural background, or the McMichaels. My point from the beginning is that the media have been totally disingenuous here. This is not a "modern-day lynching" of an "innocent black jogger". That isn't what happened.

 

[Howell]

You don't call the dead guy the victim? It's the two guys locked up for no reason? Alright. I'm done with this conversation. Have a good night.

No, I don't. He was a criminal who attacked two well-meaning citizens trying to protect their neighborhood. That's what I think. We disagree, but I wish you an equally good night just the same.

 

[GrandmaBear]

As I told you before, I agree this is not a clear-cut case. There's a lot of room for different perspectives. I've conceded the fact that the McMichaels acted foolishly in brandishing the shotgun. Even pursuing him was probably ill-advised. But unlike the poster I was referring to, I've not ignored any serious question put to me. I've tried to stay focused on the facts as we know them. I've not made any assumptions about Arbery's cultural background, or the McMichaels. My point from the beginning is that the media have been totally disingenuous here. This is not a "modern-day lynching" of an "innocent black jogger". That isn't what happened.

And I have agreed on the media before. They help nothing and are entirely biased and fan flames, imo. I am not a media fan and have not been for a long time.

Maybe they bent to pressure but I doubt it as the facts are likely there and they have to know they will be scrutinized as will the case by the public and media but the GBI disagrees with your opinion.

The mother of Arbery was told by local LE that her son died during a robbery which was patently untrue or at least there is absolutely no proof of that and I imagine they thought that would be the end of it... There are all sorts of things that seem hinky here and to be generous, perhaps they just took the word of a former investigator most of them knew and it was not a cover up as many think.

I do not believe they likely set out to kill him when they left home, some in the public do believe that and some in the media want to put that thought out there in people's heads as well, although I can't say it never has crossed my mind. However, this is Georgia, the true south, and this was a very dumb move by, as we keep saying, someone who truly should have known better... A man is dead. They made plenty of assumptions and I do not believe they would have done the same in all circumstances but that it would depend on who they thought did something... That of course, is just speculation on my part.

I guess if it goes that far, it will all be up to a jury.

Believe it or not, I often do not follow these kind of cases or comment. They are generally very heated with very few who are not one way or the other about them with no middle ground. I don't mean here on this forum, I mean nationally and anywhere for that matter--race, politics, etc., we all know what the hot button issues are...

All jmo.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh boy. No comment. Just sharing.

Investigators execute search warrants for home of Ahmaud Arbery's alleged killers

Ahmaud Arbery's family attorney slammed the release of past police body cam video.

abcnews.go.com

 

[KareBear]

No, I don't. He was a criminal who attacked two well-meaning citizens trying to protect their neighborhood. That's what I think. We disagree, but I wish you an equally good night just the same.

I don't mean any disrespect, but that's just insensitive and flat out ridiculous to not consider the man shot dead to be a victim.

And you say you haven't made any assumptions about Arbery's cultural background, yet you've made assumptions about his character, labeling him as the "criminal" in this scenario, without due process.

 

[daisy7]

An even better reason to let the actual police deal with it.




Maybe he thought that was his only option? To get the gun away from him. I certainly know that if I'm out alone on a walk/jog/hike and I am cornered by other people brandishing guns, the absolute LAST thing I'm going to do is stop to have a nice chat. Could he have continued running? Maybe. But he had already done that and they were following him and boxing him in. They likely would have kept following him and harassing him until they got him. So, stop to chat...out. Keep going...out. You keep defending these men for "making a mistake" with their decisions, but won't give Ahmaud the benefit of the doubt for maybe also making a stupid decision? HE DID NOT DESERVE TO BE KILLED. Victim blaming at its finest. Nope, don't blame the men who chased him down with guns. Blame the guy trying to get the gun away from them.

Need to point out that he was a black male in the Deep South that was being followed by white men with guns. I really hope we see the Nextdoor posts about the vids. at the construction site. Where I live, peeps are always posting ring vids and way too many peeps go straight to vigilante justice.

Yesterday, someone posted on a FB group a ring pic of a man knocking on her door when she wasn't home and she asked if anyone knew the man. All he did was ring the doorbell and when she wasn't home he left. Peeps are so flipping paranoid about everything and were telling her to keep her gun handy and she has the right to defend herself. Well, the guy posted last night that he was getting calls from friends asking if it was him. He was driving by and he liked the landscaping display in her front yard and stopped to ask where she got the rocks she had. Peeps r fricking cray cray with paranoia

 

[daisy7]

Because those other people didn't return to the property over and over again, and then run away when they were caught on the property. Do you not see the difference?

But again, you've refused to answer my question. Once more: What do you believe was Arbery's intent entering that home repeatedly? At night, with a flashlight?

Did I miss seeing that he was the person in all the other vids? All that has come out is he was in the vid from the day of his murder.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Did I miss seeing that he was the person in all the other vids? All that has come out is he was in the vid from the day of his murder.

I agree, that's the thing, there is no confirmation of any of that, the ones I have seen I cannot tell whether it is him. And if they could confirm it was him, why not call LE and provide that information previously and/or his name, etc. if they recognize him?

 

[Kimster]

I can't imagine our country promoting citizens to use lethal force during citizens arrests in all of our communities. This is a prime example of why it doesn't work.

When I took my concealed carry class with the sheriff's detectives, they told me that usually the first thing they do in a case where a shooting death happens is arrest the shooter. It's a precaution and it's to protect everyone involved. It doesn't even mean that they will keep you at the jail, it just means that's protocol. The more I read about this case, the more I think this is good protocol. To me, it protects the person who legally used their firearm as well. I wish that would have happened in this case.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I can't imagine our country promoting citizens to use lethal force during citizens arrests in all of our communities. This is a prime example of why it doesn't work.

When I took my concealed carry class with the sheriff's detectives, they told me that usually the first thing they do in a case where a shooting death happens is arrest the shooter. It's a precaution and it's to protect everyone involved. It doesn't even mean that they will keep you at the jail, it just means that's protocol. The more I read about this case, the more I think this is good protocol. To me, it protects the person who legally used their firearm as well. I wish that would have happened in this case.

I too have seen that in cases, where the one with a gun holding someone may at first be detained, they at times detain everyone until they know the situation at hand and who is who.

I think the arguments in this case stem from some do not see this as lethal force but as self defense. I do not see it as self defense in as they were not just minding their own business and were attacked out of nowhere, they went after him with guns. I think if one takes all of the media hype and organizations and other things and strips them from this case it is going to come down to some key facts for jurors. I watched another clip today that cements my opinion even more. The one is standing in the back of the pickup armed is above Arbery with a view to shoot no matter where he ran and the other is on the driver's side...

I think it will come down to whether with the applicable law jurors think they had the right and cause to go after him in the first place, armed and in the fashion and way that they did and what the jurors feel the videos show because there too, people are interpreting them differently...

And you have a good point, they were armed and a man was dead. At minimum they should have been detained and questioned that very night and probably held until it was looked into.

Jmo though.

 

[Guess Who]

I can't imagine our country promoting citizens to use lethal force during citizens arrests in all of our communities. This is a prime example of why it doesn't work.

When I took my concealed carry class with the sheriff's detectives, they told me that usually the first thing they do in a case where a shooting death happens is arrest the shooter. It's a precaution and it's to protect everyone involved. It doesn't even mean that they will keep you at the jail, it just means that's protocol. The more I read about this case, the more I think this is good protocol. To me, it protects the person who legally used their firearm as well. I wish that would have happened in this case.

Exactly. It comes with great responsibilities.

 

[Kimster]

I too have seen that in cases, where the one with a gun holding someone may at first be detained, they at times detain everyone until they know the situation at hand and who is who.

I think the arguments in this case stem from some do not see this as lethal force but as self defense. I do not see it as self defense in as they were not just minding their own business and were attacked out of nowhere, they went after him with guns. I think if one takes all of the media hype and organizations and other things and strips them from this case it is going to come down to some key facts for jurors. I watched another clip today that cements my opinion even more. The one is standing in the back of the pickup armed is above Arbery with a view to shoot no matter where he ran and the other is on the driver's side...

I think it will come down to whether with the applicable law jurors think they had the right and cause to go after him in the first place, armed and in the fashion and way that they did and what the jurors feel the videos show because there too, people are interpreting them differently...

And you have a good point, they were armed and a man was dead. At minimum they should have been detained and questioned that very night and probably held until it was looked into.

Jmo though.

"Detained" is the word I was looking for. Thank you!

 

[GrandmaBear]

No, I don't. He was a criminal who attacked two well-meaning citizens trying to protect their neighborhood. That's what I think. We disagree, but I wish you an equally good night just the same.

Just like the rest of the public, you don't know that they were well meaning citizens and if he is a criminal so are all the others that trespassed. As you say though, that is just what you think.

I will say discussion of differing opinions respectfully I enjoy because it is what needs to be done, what happens here just indicates the bigger problem, that no one views things the same way in the bigger world either, indicating there are problems and issues to resolve which can't be done without discussion.

And our media helps not one bit, or at least some of them do not, they actually make it worse imo.

 

[daisy7]

I can't imagine our country promoting citizens to use lethal force during citizens arrests in all of our communities. This is a prime example of why it doesn't work.

When I took my concealed carry class with the sheriff's detectives, they told me that usually the first thing they do in a case where a shooting death happens is arrest the shooter. It's a precaution and it's to protect everyone involved. It doesn't even mean that they will keep you at the jail, it just means that's protocol. The more I read about this case, the more I think this is good protocol. To me, it protects the person who legally used their firearm as well. I wish that would have happened in this case.

Too often, we have the shoot first, ask questions later mentality. This happened in my town: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...oots-son-law-who-was-trying-surprise-n1062371. Really, who sees someone in their backyard and immediately gets their gun to shoot them??

 

[Howell]

I don't mean any disrespect, but that's just insensitive and flat out ridiculous to not consider the man shot dead to be a victim.

And you say you haven't made any assumptions about Arbery's cultural background, yet you've made assumptions about his character, labeling him as the "criminal" in this scenario, without due process.

I see what you're saying. He was killed obviously, but I think he's the perpetrator. Should a bank robber shot dead by police be called a victim?

It's not an assumption to call him a criminal. 1)He has a record, 2)He was trespassing, and 3)He attacked McMichael. These are all known facts.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I see what you're saying. He was killed obviously, but I think he's the perpetrator. Should a bank robber shot dead by police be called a victim?

It's not an assumption to call him a criminal. 1)He has a record, 2)He was trespassing, and 3)He attacked McMichael. These are all known facts.

I respectfully disagree with this. He may have a record but a person can have one and then go years without an issue and live and learn and know better; he was trespassing, so had many others onto the same property without the same reaction; and why did he attack McMichael and attack implies McMichael was injured. You may be 100 percent correct but no, they are not known facts as far as I can see, not thus far, they are opinions and assumptions. Jmo.

 

[Howell]

Did I miss seeing that he was the person in all the other vids? All that has come out is he was in the vid from the day of his murder.

It wasn't him in ALL of the videos, no. It certainly appears to be him in many of them, and the family attorney has acknowledged that Arbery was there in the past. From Lee Merritt:

"I have chosen to stop questioning the grieving family of Ahmaud Arbery about images from the cameras mounted at the construction site of Larry English as Mr. English himself has said no criminal activity ever took place there and it is clear that Ahmaud was on the premises in the past along with many other people,"

In other words, 'we don't want to talk about this as it might lead reasonable people to question what Arbery's intent may have been while trespassing on the property multiple times'...

It's interesting how the whole "innocent jogger murdered by racists" narrative continues to fall apart as additional information becomes available.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I myself wonder about Arbery's intent and I do not think trespassing was wise or as I have said before, that he was a choir boy, but the problem is we don't KNOW and neither did McGregory, etc. and Arbery is not here to speak for himself. To me that is the main crux of all of this. If they had solid proof from prior, I would assume Arbery would have already been charged/arrested. Just like the case I mentioned a few days ago, the man was frustrated he kept getting robbed and they had not caught the perp, and he set up a booby trap, many, many years ago, and the perp was injured and caught (not killed), he was charged, no race involved, no one calling for it, but LE went by the law. In that case, I do believe a deal was made and the homeowner did not go through what these men likely will. They never even showed any remorse as far as anything I have heard, with some people just taking accountability for at least your part and feeling for the family can go a long way. I know it would with me. Jmo.