DAVID "DAVE" EDWIN LEWIS: Murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

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David "Dave" Lewis was a 46 year old father of three. A jack of all trades and good man in any camp, Dave was well known and well respected in his mountain community where he lived on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road, 13 miles east of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon for more than 20 years.

David was found dead after a fire at his rural cabin at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road. He had been murdered, shot & the cabin set fire.

David's remains were identified by DNA. There was also ANOTHER FIRE near Dave's cabin that same night, at a vacant vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road, about 5-6 miles away.

Edited to add media link: Dave Lewis was found murdered in his rural cabin east of Ashland, Oregon in 2008. His murder remains UNSOLVED!
 

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Paige's (Page?) (5/28/1955-3/1/2014) marker is in front of Dave's in Mountain View Cemetery at the bottom of Normal street along the Ashland city bike path near Hunter Park in Ashland Oregon.

It's JMO but I have reason to believe the person that Dave was expecting to show up is the person that commissioned both markers.

Dave's cremains are NOT buried here per Find-A-Grave


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Notice David's in particular, it says:
"BORN DECEMBER 23 1961
WILMINGTON DELAWARE"
"KILLED SEPTEMBER 4 2008
DEAD INDIAN ROAD ASHLAND OREGON"


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Is Page the sister? Limited time to catch up, sorry to ask?
 
Is Page the sister? Limited time to catch up, sorry to ask?
Yes, Paige was their oldest sibling and from what I understand was developmentally disabled.

She lived in Georgia near their brother James at the time of Dave's death and from everything Dave said, she was happy, healthy & comfortable in her life.

They were all from Delaware so she had lived on the east coast her whole life.

David & his sister Linda moved to Southern Oregon in the 1980's.
 
I don't see that person's motive for Troy. It definitely is very coincidental but now that I know the fire was far later, this was a guy shot in his sleeping bag camping in a homeless camping area and could have been due to someone else entirely or that he met. The fire later could have even been an attempt by another perp to make it seem as if the two murders were tied as people may have already been speculating...?

it is interesting that the airport is near to here though. However that and a truck stop would mean plenty of people came and went but who would actually go to this campsite, have met Troy, went with Troy, followed Troy and for what reason? I just don't know.

You said LE has said they were not related and then that they are in some way. It would help to know what that connection is because I sure don't see any likely connection between the two men, the motives, etc. So far anyhow.
LE has never released what the connection is or is not. In my experience, the only connection I have found is the relative that Dave expected to "just show up"

This relative contacted Troy's mother within days of his death and from what I have been told by LW, Troy's mom, this person's contact was not helpful and only tolerated in hopes of gleaning tidbits about her son's death. 😔

This relative of Dave's accused LW of having had the time to travel to Oregon from Florida to kill her own son. There is just no possible explanation or excuse to justify such cruelty. IMO.

For whatever reason this person was very focused on Troy's death and making connections between Troy & Dave, that IMO and from what LW (and LE) has said, are just not there.

It is JMO but I believe this person encountered Troy at the Pilot Center after traveling to the Rogue Valley from their home in the north.

There's a Subway & you can take showers there so travelers & truckers use it, it's also one of the Greyhound bus stops for our area.

Part of the Bear Creek Greenway is across the road from the Pilot Center and that's where Troy was camping.

He was last seen leaving the Pilot Center in Central Point Oregon around 6:00 pm on Monday, Labor Day 9/1/2008.

He was found in the clothing he was wearing when last seen. His phone was tucked neatly into his shoe and it appeared he had been shot in his sleep.

There's been some suggestions on JT by the remaining VI there that Troy was "seen" at Hyatt Lake over Labor Day. This has never been confirmed AFAIK but it's an interesting possibility IMO.

LW also told me that Troy was offered a partial day of work delivering firewood. LW didn't have a name but the relative of Dave's asked LW if Dave could have been the person offering work. 🪵

These two suggestions made me wonder if the relative had either brought Troy up to Hyatt Lake or offered him the firewood job in an attempt to frame him for whatever ultimately happened to Dave. JMO

That's some seriously premeditated activity IF true.

Again, I don't know what the answer is, I just know that at this point, the totality of the evidence for me, and this is ENTIRELY IN MY OWN OPINION only points to one individual. ✌️

Whether or not that proves to be the case is still to be determined.

I'm doing my best to lay out what I know in a fairly short period of time.

Anyone's guess is as good as mine until someone is named a POI and/or arrested & convicted.

It's been an ongoing mystery for more than 15 years now and the questions you and others are asking are totally valid.

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LE has never released what the connection is or is not. In my experience, the only connection I have found is the relative that Dave expected to "just show up"

This relative contacted Troy's mother within days of his death and from what I have been told by LW, Troy's mom, this person's contact was not helpful and only tolerated in hopes of gleaning tidbits about her son's death. 😔

This relative of Dave's accused LW of having had the time to travel to Oregon from Florida to kill her own son. There is just no possible explanation or excuse to justify such cruelty. IMO.

For whatever reason this person was very focused on Troy's death and making connections between Troy & Dave, that IMO and from what LW (and LE) has said, are just not there.

It is JMO but I believe this person encountered Troy at the Pilot Center after traveling to the Rogue Valley from their home in the north.

There's a Subway there & you can take showers there so travelers & truckers use it, it's also one of the Greyhound bus stops for our area.

Part of the Bear Creek Greenway is across the road from the Pilot Center and that's where Troy was camping.

He was last seen leaving the Pilot Center in Central Point Oregon around 6:00 pm on Monday, Labor Day 9/1/2008.

He was found in the clothing he was wearing when last seen. His phone was tucked neatly into his shoe and it appeared he had been shot in his sleep.

There's been some suggestions on JT by the remaining VI there that Troy was "seen" at Hyatt Lake over Labor Day. This has never been confirmed AFAIK but it's an interesting possibility IMO.

LW also told me that Troy was offered a partial day of work delivering firewood. LW didn't have a name but the relative of Dave's asked LW if Dave could have been the person offering work. 🪵

These two suggestions made me wonder if the relative had either brought Troy up to Hyatt Lake or offered him the firewood job in an attempt to frame him for whatever ultimately happened to Dave. JMO

That's some seriously premeditated activity if true.

Again, I don't know what the answer is, I just know that at this point, the totality of the evidence for me, and this is ENTIRELY IN MY OWN OPINION only points to one individual. ✌️

Whether or not that proves to be the case is still to be determined.

I'm doing my best to lay out what I know in a fairly short period of time.

Anyone's guess is as good as mine until someone is named a POI and/or arrested & convicted.

It's been an ongoing mystery for more than 15 years now and the questions you and others are asking are totally valid.

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The connection could also be related to the guns, forensics, accelerant or some other factor that I am unaware of. LE has released very little information about either case.

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His share of his mother's estate would typically not go to the other siblings, it would go to his children, his spouse first if married (wasn't), his children if not. He died after his mother and after receiving the inheritance. Imo it would not matter if her home, etc. was sold yet and so forth, his share would go to his kids.

This is the part that throws me some. Perhaps the relative thought with him gone he could somehow get his share/control it, take control of his children or I don't know.... I don't even think their mother could have directed where their share was to go if they died, like to another sibling. Even if so, it would be highly unusual for anyone to direct such a thing beyond their own death and the immediate heirs.

States vary some but assets go to spouse. If no spouse, then to children. If no spouse or children, THEN to siblings. Of course a will could change that. But CLEARLY Dave would not have named this relative as his heir so that's out.

Of course all of this doesn't mean this relative KNEW all this. In his mind, he could have just figured with Dave gone and things not settled and checks not cashed that it would go to the rest of them or something... I don't think it would htough...
Those are some interesting tidbits you brought up. It reminded me of my dad‘s estate. He named the four kids in the will but my sister had passed away and he hadn’t changed the Will. Her portion automatically went to her children, not to the other three siblings.
 
LE has never released what the connection is or is not. In my experience, the only connection I have found is the relative that Dave expected to "just show up"

This relative contacted Troy's mother within days of his death and from what I have been told by LW, Troy's mom, this person's contact was not helpful and only tolerated in hopes of gleaning tidbits about her son's death. 😔

This relative of Dave's accused LW of having had the time to travel to Oregon from Florida to kill her own son. There is just no possible explanation or excuse to justify such cruelty. IMO.

For whatever reason this person was very focused on Troy's death and making connections between Troy & Dave, that IMO and from what LW (and LE) has said, are just not there.

It is JMO but I believe this person encountered Troy at the Pilot Center after traveling to the Rogue Valley from their home in the north.

There's a Subway & you can take showers there so travelers & truckers use it, it's also one of the Greyhound bus stops for our area.

Part of the Bear Creek Greenway is across the road from the Pilot Center and that's where Troy was camping.

He was last seen leaving the Pilot Center in Central Point Oregon around 6:00 pm on Monday, Labor Day 9/1/2008.

He was found in the clothing he was wearing when last seen. His phone was tucked neatly into his shoe and it appeared he had been shot in his sleep.

There's been some suggestions on JT by the remaining VI there that Troy was "seen" at Hyatt Lake over Labor Day. This has never been confirmed AFAIK but it's an interesting possibility IMO.

LW also told me that Troy was offered a partial day of work delivering firewood. LW didn't have a name but the relative of Dave's asked LW if Dave could have been the person offering work. 🪵

These two suggestions made me wonder if the relative had either brought Troy up to Hyatt Lake or offered him the firewood job in an attempt to frame him for whatever ultimately happened to Dave. JMO

That's some seriously premeditated activity IF true.

Again, I don't know what the answer is, I just know that at this point, the totality of the evidence for me, and this is ENTIRELY IN MY OWN OPINION only points to one individual. ✌️

Whether or not that proves to be the case is still to be determined.

I'm doing my best to lay out what I know in a fairly short period of time.

Anyone's guess is as good as mine until someone is named a POI and/or arrested & convicted.

It's been an ongoing mystery for more than 15 years now and the questions you and others are asking are totally valid.

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Now this is concerning. I know you’ve said this before, but it didn’t hit me like it’s hitting me right now. Why in the world would Dave’s relative be interested in Troy’s death at all? Good point. He didn’t even live in the area.
 
Those are some interesting tidbits you brought up. It reminded me of my dad‘s estate. He named the four kids in the will but my sister had passed away and he hadn’t changed the Will. Her portion automatically went to her children, not to the other three siblings.
It's my greatest hope that Dave's sons received everything they were entitled to; it's bad enough that they lost their father and their childhood home.

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The connection could also be related to the guns, forensics, accelerant or some other factor that I am unaware of. LE has released very little information about either case.

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Could the connection be cellular or satellite data that shows the same phone near the Pilot Center on 9/1 & near 12801 & 18196 DIMR and/or Hyatt Lake at some time between 9/1-9/4 2008??

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That's fair. I mean here we are discussing these cases all these years later.

My mom @dreamweaver reached out to LW right before Dave's relative in the very early days after both Troy & Dave's deaths and offered to help set up an email account and social media (MySpace at the time!)

LW told me that my mom got their email from someone at the Jackson County Sheriff's Office. I don't know how Dave's relative got their contact information, possibly the same way or through the email that my mom helped set up.

The difference in MOO is the type of contact and communication.

LW has told me, in contrast to their contacts with Dave's relative, that my mom was helpful, NEVER spoke of Dave's case, and was as supportive as she could be of LW for years.

My mom considered LW a friend until her passing in 2016. LW has said that it felt like she & my mom had known each other their whole lives and has expressed thankfulness for their friendship; whereas LW has described Dave's relative as "cruel" & "obsessed" as well as other descriptive characterizations that bear on this person's mental health.

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It seems to me that anyone interested in the one murder would also be interested in the other. Initially, anyway.
 
Just a thought, but if the cabin was owned by a Lewis, could the killer/arsonist have hit all places "Lewis" or that he maybe thought was owned by a Lewis? Same last name may be coincidence but a bit odd.
I have chalked it up to coincidence since his sons were his only relations in the area & David did not own the land or cabin he had lived in for more than two decades.

BUT anything is possible and this has been brought up as a possibility. It's a fair observation IMO.

Dave was the caretaker of a privately owned historic fire lookout on 40 pristine acres at the summit of DIMR, at over 5000' in elevation.

He had a 360 degree view of the surrounding area that included Mt Shasta, the Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument, Mt McLaughlin, Mt Ashland and at night you could see some lights in the southern part of the Rogue Valley near Ashland.

I have always thought unless someone knew Dave or were otherwise familiar with the property, someone would be unlikely to come onto that property randomly as there was a very steep, rutted, long dirt driveway that had a locked gate at the bottom.

There was another property owner that shared the driveway IIRC, and there was also access to the property from Shale City Road from the NE side although it was still a scramble on foot or dirt bike to get up the hill to the summit where the cabin was.

I'd definitely wonder about who reported it at that time of night and if it was the perp. May well have been just a concerned passerby but I'd hope they questioned the person in depth. Cell phones were common enough but you are saying service wasn't great or nonexistent?
The area the cabins were in is quite remote, approximately 13-18 miles east of Ashland Oregon near Hyatt & Howard Prairie Lakes.

I go camping in the area and it's very rare to get a cell signal even now and in 2008 AFAIK it was impossible, (*at least with the phone I had at the time). Dave had a landline and if he was expecting someone, he would go to the bottom of the hill and unlock the gate.

Folks that live on the mountain out there have satellite tv & internet and it's not always reliable because of the mountainous terrain and winter weather.

I would love to know if LE has spoken to the person that called the 18196 fire in, you would think so.

I think these two fires are likely related, I am not as sure about the one in the other case though.
That's okay. That's why we're all here trying to figure it out. ⭐

I'm way behind here already lol. Doesn't take long since I get no time.

Skimmed new posts.

Yeah, we refer to WS as JT. It's deserved imo. Not for most decent members but definitely for leadership and her minions.
I definitely feel like a JT refugee , lol 😂 It's actually really good to know I'm not the only one that had a less than awesome experience over there. 👉

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I have chalked it up to coincidence since his sons were his only relations in the area & David did not own the land or cabin he had lived in for more than two decades.

BUT anything is possible and this has been brought up as a possibility. It's a fair observation IMO.

Dave was the caretaker of a privately owned historic fire lookout on 40 pristine acres at the summit of DIMR, at over 5000' in elevation.

He had a 360 degree view of the surrounding area that included Mt Shasta, the Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument, Mt McLaughlin, Mt Ashland and at night you could see some lights in the southern part of the Rogue Valley near Ashland.

I have always thought unless someone knew Dave or were otherwise familiar with the property, someone would be unlikely to come onto that property randomly as there was a very steep, rutted, long dirt driveway that had a locked gate at the bottom.

There was another property owner that shared the driveway IIRC, and there was also access to the property from Shale City Road from the NE side although it was still a scramble on foot or dirt bike to get up the hill to the summit where the cabin was.


The area the cabins were in is quite remote, approximately 13-18 miles east of Ashland Oregon near Hyatt & Howard Prairie Lakes.

I go camping in the area and it's very rare to get a cell signal even now and in 2008 AFAIK it was impossible, (*at least with the phone I had at the time). Dave had a landline and if he was expecting someone, he would go to the bottom of the hill and unlock the gate.

Folks that live on the mountain out there have satellite tv & internet and it's not always reliable because of the mountainous terrain and winter weather.

I would love to know if LE has spoken to the person that called the 18196 fire in, you would think so.


That's okay. That's why we're all here trying to figure it out. ⭐


I definitely feel like a JT refugee , lol 😂 It's actually really good to know I'm not the only one that had a less than awesome experience over there. 👉

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Was the gate already unlocked when the fire department showed up? That could indicate that Dave was expecting someone he knew that night. You may have already mentioned this but I could have missed it. The fire department could already have a key as well anyway, because that is common practice too, very often.
 
Was the gate already unlocked when the fire department showed up? That could indicate that Dave was expecting someone he knew that night. You may have already mentioned this but I could have missed it. The fire department could already have a key as well anyway, because that is common practice too, very often.
I don't actually know the answer.
I have the same questions; whether he was expecting someone or someone followed him home and so the gate was unlocked.

I would think the rural volunteer fire district would have keys but who knows, they weren't expecting to respond to Dave's address at 12801 when they were initially called out to the fire at 18196.

Do fire departments have master keys so they can get into any lock?
 
I don't actually know the answer.
I have the same questions; whether he was expecting someone or someone followed him home and so the gate was unlocked.

I would think the rural volunteer fire district would have keys but who knows, they weren't expecting to respond to Dave's address at 12801 when they were initially called out to the fire at 18196.

Do fire departments have master keys so they can get into any lock?
They don't in the UK. We have the coastguard also who operate near me to access the beach in emergencies and i am pretty sure they don't either. Barriers or gates that are locked and no keyholder available would just get broken or lifted off hinges.
 
LE has never released what the connection is or is not. In my experience, the only connection I have found is the relative that Dave expected to "just show up"

This relative contacted Troy's mother within days of his death and from what I have been told by LW, Troy's mom, this person's contact was not helpful and only tolerated in hopes of gleaning tidbits about her son's death. 😔

This relative of Dave's accused LW of having had the time to travel to Oregon from Florida to kill her own son. There is just no possible explanation or excuse to justify such cruelty. IMO.

For whatever reason this person was very focused on Troy's death and making connections between Troy & Dave, that IMO and from what LW (and LE) has said, are just not there.

It is JMO but I believe this person encountered Troy at the Pilot Center after traveling to the Rogue Valley from their home in the north.

There's a Subway & you can take showers there so travelers & truckers use it, it's also one of the Greyhound bus stops for our area.

Part of the Bear Creek Greenway is across the road from the Pilot Center and that's where Troy was camping.

He was last seen leaving the Pilot Center in Central Point Oregon around 6:00 pm on Monday, Labor Day 9/1/2008.

He was found in the clothing he was wearing when last seen. His phone was tucked neatly into his shoe and it appeared he had been shot in his sleep.

There's been some suggestions on JT by the remaining VI there that Troy was "seen" at Hyatt Lake over Labor Day. This has never been confirmed AFAIK but it's an interesting possibility IMO.

LW also told me that Troy was offered a partial day of work delivering firewood. LW didn't have a name but the relative of Dave's asked LW if Dave could have been the person offering work. 🪵

These two suggestions made me wonder if the relative had either brought Troy up to Hyatt Lake or offered him the firewood job in an attempt to frame him for whatever ultimately happened to Dave. JMO

That's some seriously premeditated activity IF true.

Again, I don't know what the answer is, I just know that at this point, the totality of the evidence for me, and this is ENTIRELY IN MY OWN OPINION only points to one individual. ✌️

Whether or not that proves to be the case is still to be determined.

I'm doing my best to lay out what I know in a fairly short period of time.

Anyone's guess is as good as mine until someone is named a POI and/or arrested & convicted.

It's been an ongoing mystery for more than 15 years now and the questions you and others are asking are totally valid.

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Okay well if this relative actually in short order contacted Troy's mom, now that IS weird. It is like he wants to have the cases connected or make sure people think they are. I see what your thoughts are and why now with info like that. I'm at the disadvantage of not knowing the area like you of course. I know the distance between the two murders but I still was thinking of both me living in completely different areas and knowing and seeing different people.

I guess I haven't had a picture of him as a smart man but I guess it is possible he knew what he was going to do to Dave and wanted another victim close enough where ballistics would match to throw trail off him. But then the bullets didn't match or something didn't you say if I recall? I forgot about that until I just thought of it being planned by the relative to throw the trail off, then it popped into my head.

Did Troy drive and had a license? Meaning would he be delivering firewood by himself in someone else's vehicle I wonder?

Another possibility is the relative as you believe killed Dave and people quickly thought the crimes related when they hit the news with two murders and then a subsequent fire as well. Someone else killed Troy but relative sees the perfect opportunity to put the direction away from self... This could be the connection LE talks of and it isn't so much that the killer is one and the same but that one man is trying to connect the other case to take any thought off of him and LE knows he contacted Troy's mom, inserted himself in the cases, etc.

OR if he killed both, again he is the connection between the two cases.

I just don't get his killing Troy I guess and one would think if he wanted the cases to connect to throw LE off of him as a thought, he'd have used the same gun and bullets...

Does this relative have a criminal history? Of any murders or assaults?

I also had this stupid thought that maybe before killing Dave he just wanted to see if he could do it and what it felt like and picked a stranger to "practice" on.

Just to clear another possibility, is it certain this was arson at Dave's and not set by self nor a suicide attempt? Please don't take that wrong, I don't think it likely, but there was a case maybe a year ago we followed where it was homicide and there was fire and LE changed it to accident or suicide with herself the only one present in the woods. They have failed to this day to explain it adequately why they did so. Tons of questions remain in that one. Can't think of her name offhand or even the state. Georgia or Alabama maybe...

Anyhow since new to us or at least to me, just trying to be sure what can absolutely be ruled out.

There's also another case of a man in Missouri that the few of us that follow pretty closely have to wonder what happened, appears it would have to be murder but some things he was talking of and such would make one wonder suicide. LE is silent for the most part. Brother yaps a lot. Too much.

How long before had their mother died and any idea why he hadn't cashed the checks? I got some money from my brother's death some years back, not a ton of money, but two checks totaled just over five figures. I carried them around in my purse for quite some time, and then I maybe also kept them at home, either way I worried about it, stressed they were not deposited, etc. I finally got a day off and went to a bank on a Saturday just before they closed, opened an account, deposited them and made it clear cut it was an inheritance. I could have at any time put it in my and my hub's joint checking and at that time it wasn't anything about trust of him, I just wanted my bro's money not spent and I figured if it was mingled that would happen, and to use it for something that mattered, like building a home or putting it towards such or just something that it was not pizzed away over nothingness on. That's the only reason I didn't cash them for so long. This guy though I wonder his reason for not cashing them OR was it a recent death of his mom? I don't think an inheritance can be looked at for child support if there were any issues that way. How old were his kids when he died, do you know?

Sorry that I can't read links very often if at all or I'd never keep up. I doubt somehow these kind of answers are in them though. And perhaps you don't know either.

Just some thoughts and questions. I appreciate your responses but answer at your leisure or not at all even. It's my problem I have no time to look at everything and I hate it as I am the type who would if I could and I did used to, overboard, when I had time.
 
LE has never released what the connection is or is not. In my experience, the only connection I have found is the relative that Dave expected to "just show up"

This relative contacted Troy's mother within days of his death and from what I have been told by LW, Troy's mom, this person's contact was not helpful and only tolerated in hopes of gleaning tidbits about her son's death. 😔

This relative of Dave's accused LW of having had the time to travel to Oregon from Florida to kill her own son. There is just no possible explanation or excuse to justify such cruelty. IMO.

For whatever reason this person was very focused on Troy's death and making connections between Troy & Dave, that IMO and from what LW (and LE) has said, are just not there.

It is JMO but I believe this person encountered Troy at the Pilot Center after traveling to the Rogue Valley from their home in the north.

There's a Subway & you can take showers there so travelers & truckers use it, it's also one of the Greyhound bus stops for our area.

Part of the Bear Creek Greenway is across the road from the Pilot Center and that's where Troy was camping.

He was last seen leaving the Pilot Center in Central Point Oregon around 6:00 pm on Monday, Labor Day 9/1/2008.

He was found in the clothing he was wearing when last seen. His phone was tucked neatly into his shoe and it appeared he had been shot in his sleep.

There's been some suggestions on JT by the remaining VI there that Troy was "seen" at Hyatt Lake over Labor Day. This has never been confirmed AFAIK but it's an interesting possibility IMO.

LW also told me that Troy was offered a partial day of work delivering firewood. LW didn't have a name but the relative of Dave's asked LW if Dave could have been the person offering work. 🪵

These two suggestions made me wonder if the relative had either brought Troy up to Hyatt Lake or offered him the firewood job in an attempt to frame him for whatever ultimately happened to Dave. JMO

That's some seriously premeditated activity IF true.

Again, I don't know what the answer is, I just know that at this point, the totality of the evidence for me, and this is ENTIRELY IN MY OWN OPINION only points to one individual. ✌️

Whether or not that proves to be the case is still to be determined.

I'm doing my best to lay out what I know in a fairly short period of time.

Anyone's guess is as good as mine until someone is named a POI and/or arrested & convicted.

It's been an ongoing mystery for more than 15 years now and the questions you and others are asking are totally valid.

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Also isn't the remaining VI at JT someone you thought to be this relative? Or do I have that mixed up? I easily could lol.

Re the relative and I think it is pretty obvious what relationship he is to Dave (am I wrong?) was he married at the time, kids? How old?

I mean everything here points to the relationship without saying it like the fact he inherited too and wanted the sister's inheritance or to take care of her/hers and asked for Dave's, etc. And other reasons... I'm respectfully not saying what I think the relationship is as you don't say it so I assume you don't want it said.

Have a few moments so just trying hard to catch up some.
 
Those are some interesting tidbits you brought up. It reminded me of my dad‘s estate. He named the four kids in the will but my sister had passed away and he hadn’t changed the Will. Her portion automatically went to her children, not to the other three siblings.
Yes, as you know we've had things too. Not the same scenario exactly but second brother like rest of us inherited from first brother that died who had no children. Second brother died just a few months later and he did have a son. Not a one of us thought his share should be ours, everything he had including my brother's would go to his son. I can't recall if we had all yet, I think one more amount of money was yet to come and if I recall, we split that to include the son even though his dad had not received it yet, first brother died while his dad was still alive. I hope that made sense. All was done correctly but we didn't have to be made to do it correct, no one thought otherwise. BUT now if you take a guy like this relative in this case, he'd have probably said NO, Dave's money from mom shouldn't go to his children it goes to us (the other sibs) but that's not true, she died while Dave was still alive. I don't care if all was distributed or sold yet or not.

So yeah, you're right with your dad not chanigng his will, that would not eliminate your sister, her share would go to her descendants unless of course he specified if anyone should predecease him then do this or that.

I do know the law varies some in different states but I think that kind of thing is pretty much the same in most as to where it goes. It also basically never goes upwards to parents unless there are no children or siblings or spouse and I think only then it may.

Not sure in that one.

It sounds as if in some other post that the ex was handling the money for the kids or putting it wherever and so it would seem Dave's kids got everything including grandma's money as they should I'd hope. Even big IF, but IF grandma's will said if one of her children died before her, it should be split among the remaining (making each share bigger instead of going to their children, going to siblings), it wouldn't apply here because Dave was not dead when she died.

So in closing, if he thought any of it would be his, he'd be sadly mistaken and is not that up on such things or too bright.

It also isn't like he could have taken the checks when he was there and set a fire and killed him (theoretically speaking, speculatively of course) because he'd have to place himself at the scene prior to the fire and then would be a suspect. I guess he could claim Dave gave them to him but that doesn't fly either for two reasons. Again he'd have to admit to meeting/being there and second, Dave would have to endorse them for him to cash them.

So what would be his motive? That's what lacks for me here I guess. Did he stupidly think Dave's share would come to them? It wouldn't be "him" it would be all remaining siblings and split. If he knew it would go to his kids then that does him no good unless he thought he'd be their guardian and control it. That doesn't seem likely. And certainly not a sure bet. Did Dave have a will, that's another question.

It wasn't my intent but like happens sometimes talking things by saying them with the keyboard kind of brings thoughts when I've had no time to really think about the case so now yeah, that takes me to, if he knew better that it would no get him that money then what would be this relative's motive?? Anger?? There are other things in estates, is it possible Dave was given some valuable antique, some coin collection, something else of value? Setting a fire would take away any evidence anything was stolen...

I guess I'm just missing motive, he certainly sounds like a very prime suspect in Dave's to consider otherwise. He'd have to really know little about who inherits if someone dies. Did he even stupidly think Dave's own assets would go to siblings and not his children? And then ya know if he is that dumb, then planning this with including Troy seems unlikely if he isn't that smart but there are different kinds of smarts so not necessarily I guess.

Now I'm just kind of talking it out to myself I guess to see what comes.

Here's the thing I guess. LE could eliminate him or could have easily OR make him a very viable suspect. He lives in another state right and nowhere close or did at the time? Either he could have been there or he couldn't have been. If they looked into him at all early on, there has to be proof one way or the other. We just don't know what they do...

What does STAND out to me is Dave himself told @Red Clover about this relative wanting his share of the money and predicted the relative would show up there and expected it. That is HUGE to me. Now the way the relative contacted the mother of the other victim AND inserted himself in the case and was NASTY to her and more. I can't ignore a bit of that, it is big reason pointing a HUGE BLINKING RED ARROW HIS way. So in talking through it I come to this now... There is real reason here in Dave's at least to look at him. He well could have though contacted the mom in the other case trying to point to any other perp but himself or a connection knowing he didn't know the other victim so can't be tied, etc....

I won't probably keep up with that either but would it pay to have a group message sharing more about this guy? Pretty sure I know the relationship but haven't had time to look close at obit, names, look up myself, etc.

If there is reason not to name him here or the relationship then maybe we can in messaging? Just a thought.
 
Now this is concerning. I know you’ve said this before, but it didn’t hit me like it’s hitting me right now. Why in the world would Dave’s relative be interested in Troy’s death at all? Good point. He didn’t even live in the area.
I just realized that too. Maybe it was said, but I didn't pick up on the oddity of it at the time until now knowing more and hearing it said he did that.
 

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