DAVID "DAVE" EDWIN LEWIS: Murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

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David "Dave" Lewis was a 46 year old father of three. A jack of all trades and good man in any camp, Dave was well known and well respected in his mountain community where he lived on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road, 13 miles east of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon for more than 20 years.

David was found dead after a fire at his rural cabin at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road. He had been murdered, shot & the cabin set fire.

David's remains were identified by DNA. There was also ANOTHER FIRE near Dave's cabin that same night, at a vacant vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road, about 5-6 miles away.

Edited to add media link: Dave Lewis was found murdered in his rural cabin east of Ashland, Oregon in 2008. His murder remains UNSOLVED!
 

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It's my greatest hope that Dave's sons received everything they were entitled to; it's bad enough that they lost their father and their childhood home.

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This was also their childhood home?? Didn't realize that. They got everything they should unless he played them (or mom) and they bought it, like that grandma's part to Dave was his or theirs or something and I think that unlikely. If it all done as it should have gone, they got it all, the sons.
 
It seems to me that anyone interested in the one murder would also be interested in the other. Initially, anyway.
That was my immediate reaction, likely connected on the first info. Now with more info, I'm wondering and not sold if connected or not yet and if they are, that connection may be this relative's contacting the other family and inserting himself into the SM and all that, or it may be he is the perp. I'm still learning the facts and don't have an opinion yet and even when I have one it will never be 100 percent of course. No strong leaning yet here.
 
Could the connection be cellular or satellite data that shows the same phone near the Pilot Center on 9/1 & near 12801 & 18196 DIMR and/or Hyatt Lake at some time between 9/1-9/4 2008??

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Well even though this was many years ago, and my first instinct was no, I realized in LISK cell data and advancements are a huge part of that case so it's certainly possible. Of course, that's like NY City, Manhattan, Long Island and I'm sure tons of towers even then. I don't fully understand cell phone stuff I'll be the first to admit. Burner phones and triangulation and more all they have sh*t on I believe. WOW.

So yes it would seem possible here. But as far as where Dave's cabin was, you said there basically was no service no?

It's a real disadvantage not seeing and knowing and living the area like you do.

The case that brought me to finding JT when I joined was a nationally known local one to me. I was new and shy but I did disabuse people of some of the thoughts they had in the case from not being able to picture or know the area. I'm at that disadvantage in this and every other case unless in areas I live/lived in, etc. So the Pilot area and lakes there was good cell service and towers?
 
That's fair. I mean here we are discussing these cases all these years later.

My mom @dreamweaver reached out to LW right before Dave's relative in the very early days after both Troy & Dave's deaths and offered to help set up an email account and social media (MySpace at the time!)

LW told me that my mom got their email from someone at the Jackson County Sheriff's Office. I don't know how Dave's relative got their contact information, possibly the same way or through the email that my mom helped set up.

The difference in MOO is the type of contact and communication.

LW has told me, in contrast to their contacts with Dave's relative, that my mom was helpful, NEVER spoke of Dave's case, and was as supportive as she could be of LW for years.

My mom considered LW a friend until her passing in 2016. LW has said that it felt like she & my mom had known each other their whole lives and has expressed thankfulness for their friendship; whereas LW has described Dave's relative as "cruel" & "obsessed" as well as other descriptive characterizations that bear on this person's mental health.

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You can do as you like and I'm fine with it but if you really want to lose JT, I always hated the MOO. I like the cow couch here but I never ever got into the MOOING. I never once used it. In fact I kind of made a point without saying so of never using it. I used IMO. IMHO. JMO. JMHO. In my first weeks there it was something I had to ask what it meant as I'd never seen it before. I really felt it stupid being there are well know acronyms or whatever one calls them that are almost universally known.

I almost felt it a rule and almost cultlike that all made sure they used that lol.

Luckily it took some time but I am well past the PTSD from that place or the MOO would bring it on.

I can see the effects of the place on you, I was the same way for probably a flippin' year in always saying and couching that something was my opinion, speculation or in linking someting and i just worried if I opined anything. Not due to anyone here but because I came from there, my only experience at a crime site. Brutal. There were a ton of great members there but it sure isn't due to the site.

I had issues with trust here again not because of here but because of such a terrible place I started at.

You apparently know Kimster, etc. so I don't have to tell ya. But this place is NOTHING like there. Mostly we can just police ourselves like the semi adults we are lol. Link anything so long as it does not go too far down a political line or religious etc. and so long as not crazy whether YT, Daily Mail, just about anything other than like sharing someones FB page etc. And guess what, there is rarely a problem or anyone upset.

So different than that place. When I was there the only YT link allowed was Gray Hughes. There are SOOO many good ones. They were the same with news sources, etc. Pick and choose and made no sense.

Anyhow, it took me a LONGGG time to let go of all that psycho messing with people and they DO that too, and get over the effects which I am really not exaggerating, and I am over it now and talking of it brings it back but thank goodness not to a point where I worry.

It's even fun here!

I don't get the time I used to but when I did I bored with long posts and long cooking posts even worse. Food posts. I did get reprimanded a time or too to take it else where along with a Days of Our Lives account of episodes... Nicely though never timed out. I mean if they have never timed out or suspended the emu @Cousin Dupree then I'd have a fit if they did it to any of the rest of us.

However, at JT that is exactly what went on. Head games. They would time out someone following the rules and let their pets (paying?) do outrageous things that did break their rules. Or suspend someone who broke no rule where their pet broke ten and no time out ever.

See this is an example of a long post of mine. :( I will go on and bore. I have a day off tomorrow and this is how I unwind lol.

So anyhow MOO if you want to but you're not a cow and to me that's a JT thing. I'd say a new leaf would be no more mooing. But if you want to, I have no problem with it. That's how I feel it is here. Go right ahead, I am just recommending a help to further distance JT lol and what you went through. I am past my shell shock from there.

You are in a smaller place but the best one there is. :hugs: Imo. Jmo. Jmho. Imho. And I think I used to do this one there without saying a word just to show I'd never MOO, in OMO. Lol. I anagrammed their own letters in MOO.
 
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Was there CCTV at the Pilot Center?
Here is an image I just screenshotted of Troy leaving the Pilot Center in a video clip from a 2020 news story.


It's not the greatest but it is the latest news story.

I have been hopeful that LE would have secured the CCTV camera footage from that weekend but I have no way of knowing what they have.
 

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Here is an image I just screenshotted of Troy leaving the Pilot Center in a video clip from a 2020 news story.


It's not the greatest but it is the latest news story.

I have been hopeful that LE would have secured the CCTV camera footage from that weekend but I have no way of knowing what they have.
So leaving on his own. Did anyone follow him, I wonder? Do you remember what timestamp that was?
 
Well even though this was many years ago, and my first instinct was no, I realized in LISK cell data and advancements are a huge part of that case so it's certainly possible. Of course, that's like NY City, Manhattan, Long Island and I'm sure tons of towers even then. I don't fully understand cell phone stuff I'll be the first to admit. Burner phones and triangulation and more all they have sh*t on I believe. WOW.

So yes it would seem possible here. But as far as where Dave's cabin was, you said there basically was no service no?

It's a real disadvantage not seeing and knowing and living the area like you do.

The case that brought me to finding JT when I joined was a nationally known local one to me. I was new and shy but I did disabuse people of some of the thoughts they had in the case from not being able to picture or know the area. I'm at that disadvantage in this and every other case unless in areas I live/lived in, etc. So the Pilot area and lakes there was good cell service and towers?
The Pilot Center is in the Rogue Valley, along Interstate 5 and near the Rogue Valley International Airport so there's definitely cell service and wifi connectivity around there.

Dave lived in the mountains at a high elevation for our area, over 5000' feet. DIMR runs east from Ashland Oregon up over the summit through an area with high mountain lakes to Klamath Falls.

There are three different highways that go between the RV & Klamath Falls, Hwy 140 goes east out of White City, and both DIMR and the Greensprings-Hwy 66 go east from the south side of Ashland.

The two highways out of Ashland are both steep and winding highways; both with their pros and cons for driving.

Both are very scenic and depending on where you're going or where you live you might consider one over the other.

We often take Hwy 140 when we are going camping as some of the mountain lakes are more accessible from that area.

You might choose to go up the Greensprings if you're going to Tubb Springs or the Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument.

There's a cutoff road that runs between the Greensprings Inn and the Greensprings Volunteer Fire District past Howard Prairie and Hyatt Lakes and connects to DIMR near the site of the vacant cabin.

From Hwy 140 there are also numerous back roads to access DIMR, some of them are paved and some are much less maintained than others.

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So leaving on his own. Did anyone follow him, I wonder? Do you remember what timestamp that was?
It's always been stated that he left alone.

I wonder if there was any footage of anyone else that he may have been seen speaking with over the course of Labor Day weekend.

I don't have an exact timestamp although there may be one. If my memory serves me it was around 6:00 or 6:30 pm.
 
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I did a Google of the two addresses between Dave's cabin and the other cabin that burned that night. Only 5.5 miles and 7 minutes by car.

Screenshot below. So what is this Snopark that shows really close to the site of Dave's cabin?

Also, you can see that Dave's cabin is near to the Sno Park site and the other cabin (who owned that one?) was near the Lake country park site. Weird huh?

I also searched Dave's address and the site sold in 2022 for $350k. It had been listed for various prices up until that sold date, some as high as $500k !!!!!!

It says in the listing that it is surrounded on 3 sides by BLM land. Link below is the listing and shows the prior sale attempts.

Valuable land for sure.


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You can do as you like and I'm fine with it but if you really want to lose JT, I always hated the MOO. I like the cow couch here but I never ever got into the MOOING. I never once used it. In fact I kind of made a point without saying so of never using it. I used IMO. IMHO. JMO. JMHO. In my first weeks there it was something I had to ask what it meant as I'd never seen it before. I really felt it stupid being there are well know acronyms or whatever one calls them that are almost universally known.

I almost felt it a rule and almost cultlike that all made sure they used that lol.

Luckily it took some time but I am well past the PTSD from that place or the MOO would bring it on.

I can see the effects of the place on you, I was the same way for probably a flippin' year in always saying and couching that something was my opinion, speculation or in linking someting and i just worried if I opined anything. Not due to anyone here but because I came from there, my only experience at a crime site. Brutal. There were a ton of great members there but it sure isn't due to the site.

I had issues with trust here again not because of here but because of such a terrible place I started at.

You apparently know Kimster, etc. so I don't have to tell ya. But this place is NOTHING like there. Mostly we can just police ourselves like the semi adults we are lol. Link anything so long as it does not go too far down a political line or religious etc. and so long as not crazy whether YT, Daily Mail, just about anything other than like sharing someones FB page etc. And guess what, there is rarely a problem or anyone upset.

So different than that place. When I was there the only YT link allowed was Gray Hughes. There are SOOO many good ones. They were the same with news sources, etc. Pick and choose and made no sense.

Anyhow, it took me a LONGGG time to let go of all that psycho messing with people and they DO that too, and get over the effects which I am really not exaggerating, and I am over it now and talking of it brings it back but thank goodness not to a point where I worry.

It's even fun here!

I don't get the time I used to but when I did I bored with long posts and long cooking posts even worse. Food posts. I did get reprimanded a time or too to take it else where along with a Days of Our Lives account of episodes... Nicely though never timed out. I mean if they have never timed out or suspended the emu @Cousin Dupree then I'd have a fit if they did it to any of the rest of us.

However, at JT that is exactly what went on. Head games. They would time out someone following the rules and let their pets (paying?) do outrageous things that did break their rules. Or suspend someone who broke no rule where their pet broke ten and no time out ever.

See this is an example of a long post of mine. :( I will go on and bore. I have a day off tomorrow and this is how I unwind lol.

So anyhow MOO if you want to but you're not a cow and to me that's a JT thing. I'd say a new leaf would be no more mooing. But if you want to, I have no problem with it. That's how I feel it is here. Go right ahead, I am just recommending a help to further distance JT lol and what you went through. I am past my shell shock from there.

You are in a smaller place but the best one there is. :hugs: Imo. Jmo. Jmho. Imho. And I think I used to do this one there without saying a word just to show I'd never MOO, in OMO. Lol. I anagrammed their own letters in MOO.
I appreciate your words of wisdom @GrandmaBear ⭐
 
Apparently there is a traffic cam on Dead Indian Memorial road. This link has footage back to 2016 but I wonder if ODOT would still have footage back to 2008? Anyway, surely LE would have got this camera footage at the time and reviewed it. The murderers vehicle would have been caught on it IMO.

 
I saw a question somewhere in here about naming people that aren’t named by law-enforcement as possible suspects. We don’t do that here for our own protection, and yours. We just don’t want anybody getting into any trouble of any kind. If a member has a question about what another member is talking about because they’re being vague, it’s best to take it to a private conversation that can’t be seen by the public.
 
I did a Google of the two addresses between Dave's cabin and the other cabin that burned that night. Only 5.5 miles and 7 minutes by car.

Screenshot below. So what is this Snopark that shows really close to the site of Dave's cabin?

Also, you can see that Dave's cabin is near to the Sno Park site and the other cabin (who owned that one?) was near the Lake country park site. Weird huh?

I also searched Dave's address and the site sold in 2022 for $350k. It had been listed for various prices up until that sold date, some as high as $500k !!!!!!
$350k is an incredibly good deal for 40 acres of pristine property at the summit with 360 degree views

It says in the listing that it is surrounded on 3 sides by BLM land.

Valuable land for sure.


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The sno-park is really just a place people can drive up to, park, & do winter activities like sledding, cross country skiing or snowmobiling.
I haven't actually been up there in deep winter. There's no infrastructure AKAIK.

Lily Glen is now apart of the Jackson County Parks system and has horse friendly camping and miles of trails for equestrians.





This high mountain lakes area is very remote and sparsely populated but there are driveways off DIMR all the way up the mountain.

Dave was known as the neighbor that would come plow your driveway; one of his vehicles was a Ford F250 pickup truck that he had a snowplow attachment for.

The property indeed sold in December 2022

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Former owners of 12801
Dave was the caretaker of the land for these folks 👆

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Screenshots of the driveway & gate

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Assessors office picture of Dave's cabin 👆

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Owners of 18196 👆(not sure they are the current owners)

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Assessor's document December 2022


Road cam at the summit-
13 mile marker and at the base of Dave's driveway

*Please let me know if any of these documents shouldn't be posted here.
 
Apparently there is a traffic cam on Dead Indian Memorial road. This link has footage back to 2016 but I wonder if ODOT would still have footage back to 2008? Anyway, surely LE would have got this camera footage at the time and reviewed it. The murderers vehicle would have been caught on it IMO.

I actually wrote to ODOT last year and they said the footage wasn't stored so that's interesting that another site may have possibly stored the footage.

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I saw a question somewhere in here about naming people that aren’t named by law-enforcement as possible suspects. We don’t do that here for our own protection, and yours. We just don’t want anybody getting into any trouble of any kind. If a member has a question about what another member is talking about because they’re being vague, it’s best to take it to a private conversation that can’t be seen by the public.
Thank you @Kimster ⭐
 
I saw a question somewhere in here about naming people that aren’t named by law-enforcement as possible suspects. We don’t do that here for our own protection, and yours. We just don’t want anybody getting into any trouble of any kind. If a member has a question about what another member is talking about because they’re being vague, it’s best to take it to a private conversation that can’t be seen by the public.
Bet that was mine😳. I didn’t think and deleted it in the meantime. My apologies to everybody! But at least a good example about how stupid people are dealt with here.:innocent:🤷‍♀️
 

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