DAVID "DAVE" EDWIN LEWIS: Murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

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David "Dave" Lewis was a 46 year old father of three. A jack of all trades and good man in any camp, Dave was well known and well respected in his mountain community where he lived on the summit of Dead Indian Memorial Road, 13 miles east of Ashland, Jackson County, Oregon for more than 20 years.

David was found dead after a fire at his rural cabin at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road. He had been murdered, shot & the cabin set fire.

David's remains were identified by DNA. There was also ANOTHER FIRE near Dave's cabin that same night, at a vacant vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road, about 5-6 miles away.

Edited to add media link: Dave Lewis was found murdered in his rural cabin east of Ashland, Oregon in 2008. His murder remains UNSOLVED!
 

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Yes, this relative lived in the area in the 80's-90's and their husband's family lived on and have owned a SUBSTANTIAL number of properties on DIMR for generations (since mid 1800's when the area was first settled)
So again we are talking about a possible female killer and arsonist? I need to sit and ingest that one. Not that it's not possible but never crossed my mind. And that also shot Troy. Possibly. Wow.
 
I spoke with David about 10 days before his death. LE has not released any details about his last known whereabouts.
So we know he was alive ten days before at least. That's a starting point. Did anyone relative claim contact with him after? Sibling, ex wife, child, anyone you are aware of whether proven or not? Like online or in news reports since LE doesn't share.
 
When I talk conventional I mean septic as you said and well for water as you said. That's generally what rural has. Are you saying the well did not run through pipes in the cabin to sinks, toilet and that there was no electric? And possibly no toilet at all but an outhouse? Don't get me wrong, my grandma and grandpa's home was like this always. They had power though. They brought in milk cans of water from the pump and had an outhouse. So I know well what you are talking of if that is the case but again they had electric, at least when I was a child and radio and lights etc.

I'm not talking city sewer and water, I'm talking piped well water, a pressure tank, toilet, electricity brought from the road to the property. Did he have these conventional things? I assume the resort did. Didn't you say there was or is a camera? Power no? Did he have a generator? You're talking kerosene lamps so I am guessing no power.

So that brings an interesting question if no water or power, did he go to the truck stop to shower?

You said this was his kid's childhood home right? So they were roughing it, living off the land so to speak? Boy that would be hard as a young mother with diapers and messes and all and kids to bathe and laundry to do, no washer then either Id guess. I"ve lived that way so don't get me wrong, I know of what you're talking but it's unclear what he had or didn't have?

I'm just a bit startled if he had none of these things. Never realized that. I have no idea what a spring box is, I know what a well is and you can either hand pump a well (old time) or it is piped into your home to your sinks, toilet, washer, etc. and it is bona fide running water. That's how it is rural and mostly these days it has been converted to running water from wells. I mean this is only a few miles right from a resort and a half hour from the truck stop etc. tops?

Just trying to get the picture.
The cabin at 18196 was very old, uninsured, and used as a vacation cabin AFAIK. I don't know that it had electricity, I am not 💯 certain.

I do know it was heated by woodstove and the owners stated in a very early article that the woodstove had not been used and there was no way for a fire to start from inside the house.

Dave's cabin was formerly used as a fire lookout for the forest service.
David had plumbed water into the house from the tank that he had set up. There was a spring on the property that he developed to feed the tank.

It's my understanding that an electric box may have been on the property for as long as four years before he passed but I never saw an outlet or anything that used a plug.

He was a craftsman, welder, firefighter, woodcutter, contractor & artist. David lived VERY simply.

He had vehicles; a jeep, a Ford truck and a work truck with a lift and equipment boxes that held his welding gear.

He had a motorcycle, dirt bikes, a snowmobile, fishing gear and every kind of equipment he needed for his work.

Dave just wasn't a town guy after so many years in the wilderness. He had a beautiful cast iron tub and he flushed the toilet in his bathroom by filling a bucket in the tub and pouring it in the back of the tank.

The winter before he passed was brutal. There was so much snow that it was a full time job keeping his roof & driveway cleared.

You could see the wear & tear on him, he'd lost weight and he said he hoped he'd never have to go through that again... 😔

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The building that is left on the property is an old cabin that has been used for storage on the property. Dave's three vehicles and this outbuilding did not burn.
I hope his 3 sons got those vehicles. That was all that was left of his things. Do you know if that happened?

Sorry about giving you the third degree. I have to ask the questions as I think of them. So noone knows when he was last seen by anyone? Did he have any social media? Twitter, Facebook, etc.
 
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So we know he was alive ten days before at least. That's a starting point. Did anyone relative claim contact with him after? Sibling, ex wife, child, anyone you are aware of whether proven or not? Like online or in news reports since LE doesn't share.
I have heard that he spoke with his exwife and or his youngest son the night before as the son was turning 12 that week and starting middle school.

I have been told that the relative in question told LE that they hadn't seen their relative for four years but told LW, Troy's mom that they hadn't seen/spoken with them for four DAYS. 😳

Dave MAY have been at Hyatt Lake the evening/night of 9/3/2008

The VI in JT has suggested that Dave might have been at Hyatt Lake on Labor Day 9/1/2008.

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I hope his 3 sons got those vehicles. That was all that was left of his things. Do you know if that happened?
Yes, I do know that at least the older two that were already adults each received a vehicle.

There was precious little left after the fire other than an enameled cup and some iron work. I asked his next of kin for a few pieces of chipped stone that had come through the fire and were in a small pile off to the side.

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Okay now I am confused. The relative's husband. The same relative Dave thought would show up and you worked with sand same relative has a hub, is this a female? Or do we have two married men? Totally lost now in what I thought I was following. I thought it was "he" was used to driving in the dark and so on and so on. Not asking anyone to be named but now it doesn't seem to be the same person or sex even.

Interesting to know a relative or a spouse of a relative or whatever or that spouse's family owned a lot of the property around though.

But I'm totally lost as to the relative now and thought I had a handle.
I tend to use gender neutral pronouns like "they, them, theirs" if I am not being specific. 🔎✌️ 😜
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I hope his 3 sons got those vehicles. That was all that was left of his things. Do you know if that happened?

Sorry about giving you the third degree. I have to ask the questions as I think of them. So noone knows when he was last seen by anyone? Did he have any social media? Twitter, Facebook, etc.
David had absolutely zero interest in the internet or social media or cell phones. He had a landline and we talked on the phone pretty regularly.

He was the kind of guy who always had something to do; he would work from sunup to sundown.

He worked hard but also took time for himself to fish or enjoy friends or whatever. He definitely wasn't a hermit.
 
Somewhere back in the thread, @Tresir (I think?) asked about the newspaper article I have from September 5, 2008.

Hopefully it's readable.

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Bet that was mine😳. I didn’t think and deleted it in the meantime. My apologies to everybody! But at least a good example about how stupid people are dealt with here.:innocent:🤷‍♀️
No one is in "trouble". No worries. Just being safe.

There was a case at JT that I followed where I was sure the BF killed the GF. Come to find out, she was upset about a fight they had, hid in a school service truck and couldn't get out, and died from asphyxiation. Sometimes it's good practice to keep looking under every stone, not just the big one. I can't tell you how many cases I've seen where LE ends up arresting someone we never even heard of. The Long Island Serial Killer case is a prime example.

Carry on!
 
Yes, Dave was a healthy, hardworking, good looking guy in the prime of his life; he had a mountain girlfriend and an active social life that revolved around the bar at the resort for the most part.

I have seen one person suggest that the gf was an ex, but this gf came to my workplace to make sure I was aware of what had happened; my mom had already shown me a newspaper article but I have always appreciated that she took the time to let me know.

The resort at Hyatt Lake was the closest place for him to have a beer and have something to eat after work and was a big part of his normal routine.

Dave was an excellent cook but I got the sense that he would eat at the resort quite often.

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Okay. Didn't live together though? Did Dave talk of her during that phone call and did you know her before she came to let you know? Where they like serious or just a casual see you once in awile thing?

Why would someone say she was an ex? I get the bar and drink and food routine. So his income was from working there too right or something like that? Or in taking care of the property he lived? Or something?

I'd assume even if he loved to cook it would be hard without and without power or water hard to cook or do dishes.

I LOVE to cook but hate it in this small apartment. I don't hate cooking, i hate the surroundings, the far from great oven, etc. And NO room.

Had the gf seen him that night? Since you don't know when last seen, I'd have to guess she never told you nor you asked when she last saw him or how she came to find out, etc.?

She would be someone for you to ask I'd think. What's her story? What I mean is does she hang nightly at the same bar, see him daily or nightly, does she have kids, does she work and if so, where, etc., ,etc. I am not asking you to out her or dox her, just for some details without specifics. She would seem a very likely one to have seen him or talked to him in more recent days if truly a gf and bf.
 
Okay. Didn't live together though? Did Dave talk of her during that phone call and did you know her before she came to let you know? Where they like serious or just a casual see you once in awile thing?

Why would someone say she was an ex? I get the bar and drink and food routine. So his income was from working there too right or something like that? Or in taking care of the property he lived? Or something?

I'd assume even if he loved to cook it would be hard without and without power or water hard to cook or do dishes.

I LOVE to cook but hate it in this small apartment. I don't hate cooking, i hate the surroundings, the far from great oven, etc. And NO room.

Had the gf seen him that night? Since you don't know when last seen, I'd have to guess she never told you nor you asked when she last saw him or how she came to find out, etc.?

She would be someone for you to ask I'd think. What's her story? What I mean is does she hang nightly at the same bar, see him daily or nightly, does she have kids, does she work and if so, where, etc., ,etc. I am not asking you to out her or dox her, just for some details without specifics. She would seem a very likely one to have seen him or talked to him in more recent days if truly a gf and bf.
His gf gave me her email back in 2008 and yes, I do know she still works locally in town.

I have no idea when the last time she saw him was or how they spent their time together, they didn't live together but they both lived on the mountain. In one of the early newspaper articles she describes meeting Dave. ❤️

I would assume that LE questioned her.

I haven't reached out to her yet but she's been on my mind, not as a suspect, I am just curious what she believes happened after all these years.

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His gf gave me her email back in 2008 and yes, I do know she still works locally in town.

I have no idea when the last time she saw him was or how they spent their time together, they didn't live together but they both lived on the mountain. In one of the early newspaper articles she describes meeting Dave. ❤️

I would assume that LE questioned her.

I haven't reached out to her yet but she's been on my mind, not as a suspect, I am just curious what she believes happened after all these years.

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Dave would speak to me about their relationship to some degree but I didn't know her personally.

Strangely enough I found out later that her ex bf (before Dave I think) had been my landlord 02-06.

The person that has suggested that she was an ex gf is also the person who has cast aspersions & slandered & intimidated almost everyone that has ever been associated with Dave.

It's messed up. If you ever get a chance read some of the archived blog--

FAIR WARNING ⚠️
please take this website/blog with a grain of salt

Depending on which page and which date has been archived, it's an endless dive...


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I hope his 3 sons got those vehicles. That was all that was left of his things. Do you know if that happened?

Sorry about giving you the third degree. I have to ask the questions as I think of them. So noone knows when he was last seen by anyone? Did he have any social media? Twitter, Facebook, etc.
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A screenshot of the shed from the JC assessor website
 
When I talk conventional I mean septic as you said and well for water as you said. That's generally what rural has. Are you saying the well did not run through pipes in the cabin to sinks, toilet and that there was no electric? And possibly no toilet at all but an outhouse? Don't get me wrong, my grandma and grandpa's home was like this always. They had power though. They brought in milk cans of water from the pump and had an outhouse. So I know well what you are talking of if that is the case but again they had electric, at least when I was a child and radio and lights etc.

I'm not talking city sewer and water, I'm talking piped well water, a pressure tank, toilet, electricity brought from the road to the property. Did he have these conventional things? I assume the resort did. Didn't you say there was or is a camera? Power no? Did he have a generator? You're talking kerosene lamps so I am guessing no power.

So that brings an interesting question if no water or power, did he go to the truck stop to shower?

You said this was his kid's childhood home right? So they were roughing it, living off the land so to speak? Boy that would be hard as a young mother with diapers and messes and all and kids to bathe and laundry to do, no washer then either Id guess. I"ve lived that way so don't get me wrong, I know of what you're talking but it's unclear what he had or didn't have?

I'm just a bit startled if he had none of these things. Never realized that. I have no idea what a spring box is, I know what a well is and you can either hand pump a well (old time) or it is piped into your home to your sinks, toilet, washer, etc. and it is bona fide running water. That's how it is rural and mostly these days it has been converted to running water from wells. I mean this is only a few miles right from a resort and a half hour from the truck stop etc. tops?

Just trying to get the picture.
My present house has it's own septic tank but I do have mains water. However my immediate neighbour about 250 metres down the hill only has a water source from her hillside at the back which collects into a tank that then supplies the bathrooms etc. She has to buy bottled water for drinking, so I am the last house on the mains and it comes across the field to the side of my property via a private pipe. My water meter is at my other neighbour's house, also about 250 metres away, in the opposite direction.
So it is still not unusual here in country locations.
 
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Herald & News
September 23 2009



The Jackson County Sheriff's Office is asking for information about two suspicious deaths that occurred Sept. 4, 2008 and are believed to be linked.

Authorities are looking for associates of David Lewis, 46, and Troy Dean Carney, 44.


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Authorities believe the incidents are linked, but will not disclose the link because it may jeopardize the investigation.
 
Three unsolved murders in three years

Troy Dean Carney, 44, was originally from Maine, but for the last several years he'd been crisscrossing the country working as a "lumper," someone who helps load and unload trucks. While waiting for more work, Carney was camping by the Greenway. He was last seen on videotape on September 1, 2008 walking away from the nearby Pilot Truck stop. His body was found three days later. Police believe he was shot in the head while sleeping in a sleeping bag hidden under some brush. There were no signs of struggle, or robbery.
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On the same day Carney's body was discovered a 100 year old hilltop cabin burned in the mountains about 15 miles east of Ashland. An hour later a call came in about a second house fire on the same road. Both houses burned to the ground and were completely destroyed. The first house was an occasional summer home. But the second house, at 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road, was owned by Dave E. Lewis, 46, a man with deep ties to the Ashland area; Lewis had rented the house for 23 years. His badly burned remains were discovered among the ruins. Police believe he was tied up and killed before the house was set on fire.

Two murders discovered on the same day in relatively close proximity in an area with normally very little violent crime sparked investigators' interest. Things got even more interesting when, 9 days after Carney's murder, someone returned to the scene and set fire to the campsites. Police believe it was set intentionally in an attempt to cover up evidence.

The Lewis and Carney murders now had fire in common as well. Investigators have also said they've discovered a piece of evidence linking the crimes, but they've stopped short of identifying it.

*full disclosure: I worked with David Grubbs at the time he passed in November 2011. He was a much younger co-worker who was on his way home from work walking along the bike path near Hunter Park in Ashland when he was attacked and killed. 😔

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