Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Do we have a Jefferey Epstein thread?

 
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It crossed my mind that Judge Kaplan could be holding off to hear the arguments raised for Ghislaine's retrial. He's under no obligation to make a quick decision.


I had to look up what 'oaf' meant after reading this. He definitely does not have the best reputation.


This man needs to quit using every platform to run his mouth however he is an attorney & the one who secured Epstein's 'deal' in 2008. Personally, he strikes me as a self serving narcisist.
D (and PA actually) is being accused of rape essentially so I believe he is entitled to use his platform to defend those accusations. He is suing Guiffre for defamation I think, correct me if I am wrong.

Below is update on PA and Maxwell. Prosecutors offer to drop the perjury charges against Maxwell if sentencing can be done within 3-4 months. Are they on the back foot here? That seems to be a big offer but I don't think it will be accepted by the defence with this chance of a mistrial/retrial on the horizon. It could look good for Maxwell to perhaps do a deal eg sentence to be time served.

 
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He is being accused of rape essentially so I believe he is entitled to use his platform to defend those accusations. He is suing Guiffre for defamation I think, correct me if I am wrong.

Regarding Dershowitz, he used someone else's platform to give an opinion as a lawyer however he is biased.

Speaking from what appeared to be his home office, Dershowitz was introduced to viewers by a BBC News presenter as a “constitutional lawyer,” before being asked to comment on the jury’s verdict.

“The interview with Alan Dershowitz after the Ghislaine Maxwell verdict did not meet the BBC’s editorial standards, as Mr. Dershowitz was not a suitable person to interview as an impartial analyst, and we did not make the relevant background clear to our audience,” said a spokesperson. “We will look into how this happened.”

*To be honest, I haven't dug into the accusations between him & Virginia Giuffre only his professional relationship with Epstein.
 
Regarding Dershowitz, he used someone else's platform to give an opinion as a lawyer however he is biased.

Speaking from what appeared to be his home office, Dershowitz was introduced to viewers by a BBC News presenter as a “constitutional lawyer,” before being asked to comment on the jury’s verdict.

“The interview with Alan Dershowitz after the Ghislaine Maxwell verdict did not meet the BBC’s editorial standards, as Mr. Dershowitz was not a suitable person to interview as an impartial analyst, and we did not make the relevant background clear to our audience,” said a spokesperson. “We will look into how this happened.”

*To be honest, I haven't dug into the accusations between him & Virginia Giuffre only his professional relationship with Epstein.
Plus he's this dude

 
Plus he's this dude

I haven't read too much about him in this regard. If there is an eventual court case with him & Virginia Giuffre I'd follow it to understand more about his mindset. From what I've read about his teaching style at Yale he was very abrasive to many female students. Again, I don't think his ego will ever deflate & if Virginia Giuffre wants to try, go ahead.
 
Regarding Dershowitz, he used someone else's platform to give an opinion as a lawyer however he is biased.

Speaking from what appeared to be his home office, Dershowitz was introduced to viewers by a BBC News presenter as a “constitutional lawyer,” before being asked to comment on the jury’s verdict.

“The interview with Alan Dershowitz after the Ghislaine Maxwell verdict did not meet the BBC’s editorial standards, as Mr. Dershowitz was not a suitable person to interview as an impartial analyst, and we did not make the relevant background clear to our audience,” said a spokesperson. “We will look into how this happened.”

*To be honest, I haven't dug into the accusations between him & Virginia Giuffre only his professional relationship with Epstein.
According to Dershowitz, the BBC were at fault. They knew the background and did not make it clear to viewers before the interview. The BBC apologized. He clearly was not 'impartial' as he was Epstein's lawyer and was suing Guiffre but the BBC did not explain any of that to the viewers before the interview, apparently.

I mean, we know the background, yet the BBC don't ? That's just not possible they did not know his background as Epstein's lawyer and his suit with Guiffre. The BBC deserve all the criticism and flak they got for this for not informing their viewers.
 
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I haven't read too much about him in this regard. If there is an eventual court case with him & Virginia Giuffre I'd follow it to understand more about his mindset. From what I've read about his teaching style at Yale he was very abrasive to many female students. Again, I don't think his ego will ever deflate & if Virginia Giuffre wants to try, go ahead.
He is suing Guiffre for defamation, I understand, whereas with Prince Andrew, she is suing him for rape. If I have that wrong, let me know.
 
This doesn't look good, imo.


The U.S. government will agree to drop pending perjury charges against British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell if her sex trafficking case goes to sentencing later this year, prosecutors said.

The offer was made in a letter to a judge filed jointly late Monday by the prosecutors and Maxwell’s attorneys in federal court in Manhattan. The defense countered by asking that questions about the perjury charges be put off until the judge rules on its request for a new trial.

*After reading this I verified that a new document was indeed filed. If anyone would like to review the letter please advise & I'll upload it.
Why do you say this doesn't look good?
 
He is suing Guiffre for defamation, I understand, whereas with Prince Andrew, she is suing him for rape. If I have that wrong, let me know.
I believe that's how it's been presented thus far in MSM. Rape is a strong charge which usually lends itself to criminal charges but I thought this was a civil case. So, that part is perplexing.
 
More info in this article about Guiffre and Carolyn. What Dershowitz said about Carolyn, has actually now been confirmed by her when waiving her anonymity just recently.

I hadn't read this before. Thank you for sharing.

It does make me question, as I posted prior, whether Virginia could be charged with being a co-conspirator. She is considered a victim however she was responsible for recruiting. In her memoirs she also mentions bringing girls in for Epstein.

As to why she wasn't asked to testify, that is a question I keep asking as well.
 
I've never seen the prosecution & defense jointly submit a request to the court. Have you read their request?
I have only read parts that have appeared in the press. (The link you posted did not work for me in Europe.) It appears that the defence are saying that taking part in sentencing discussions could affect Maxwell's fifth amendment rights, so they want the decision on the retrial first, while the prosecution don't want victims to have to testify again. So both sides seem to have compelling reasons to come to an agreement. I didn't know what you therefore meant about it not looking good, when it looks like they may be working on a compromise.

To me it would also make sense that these civil trials were completely stayed while these complex deliberations about the criminal trial are conducted, for the same reasons. To have this all playing out in the media is prejudicial, in my opinion.
 
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I have only read parts that have appeared in the press. (The link you posted did not work for me in Europe.) It appears that the defence are saying that taking part in sentencing discussions could affect Maxwell's fifth amendment rights, so they want the decision on the retrial first, while the prosecution don't want victims to have to testify again. So both sides seem to have compelling reasons to come to an agreement. I didn't know what you therefore meant about it not looking good, when it looks like they may be working on a compromise.

To me it would also make sense that these civil trials were completely stayed while these complex deliberations about the criminal trial are conducted, for the same reasons. To have this all playing out in the media is prejudicial, in my opinion.
It feels like (to me) that both sides are forcing Judge Nathan to forgo her previous schedule about posssible juror misconduct. I wonder if this will end up with the US Supreme Court because the defense is refusing a presentencing evaluation due to their clients constitional rights being impeded upon. So, my concern is this doesn't appear to be an issue that can be resolved at the district court level of our justice system. However, I could be wrong since I do not have a background in law.
 

Rejecting arguments that a 2009 settlement with Jeffrey Epstein absolutely shielded the royal at this stage of the litigation, a federal judge refused on Wednesday to dismiss a lawsuit accusing Prince Andrew of sexually abusing a 17-year-old girl.

“For the foregoing reasons, defendant’s motion to dismiss the complaint or for a more definite statement is denied in all respects” U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan wrote in a 46-page opinion.

The ruling advances a lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre (née Roberts), who claims that the Duke of York sexually assaulted her in three locations: Epstein’s New York mansion and private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands and the London home of now-convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell.

Before publicly identifying herself in court and in the press, Giuffre had sued Epstein in the Southern District of Florida as “Jane Doe 102.” In 2009, that case settled under terms that remained secret for more than a decade, until they were made public on Jan. 3 this year.

“Given the Court’s limited task of ruling on this motion, nothing in this opinion or previously in these proceedings properly may be construed as indicating a view with respect to the truth of the charges or countercharges or as to the intention of the parties in entering into the 2009 Agreement,” Kaplan added.

The prince’s lawyer Andrew Brettler had argued that the expansive release clause protecting “other potential defendants” insulated Andrew, but the judge appeared to find that phrase inscrutable during oral arguments on Jan. 4.

*Judge Kaplan's 46 page summary is linked in the article. So, Virginia Giuffre's lawsuit against Andrew can and will proceed thru the courts.
 

Rejecting arguments that a 2009 settlement with Jeffrey Epstein absolutely shielded the royal at this stage of the litigation, a federal judge refused on Wednesday to dismiss a lawsuit accusing Prince Andrew of sexually abusing a 17-year-old girl.

“For the foregoing reasons, defendant’s motion to dismiss the complaint or for a more definite statement is denied in all respects” U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan wrote in a 46-page opinion.

The ruling advances a lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre (née Roberts), who claims that the Duke of York sexually assaulted her in three locations: Epstein’s New York mansion and private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands and the London home of now-convicted sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell.

Before publicly identifying herself in court and in the press, Giuffre had sued Epstein in the Southern District of Florida as “Jane Doe 102.” In 2009, that case settled under terms that remained secret for more than a decade, until they were made public on Jan. 3 this year.

“Given the Court’s limited task of ruling on this motion, nothing in this opinion or previously in these proceedings properly may be construed as indicating a view with respect to the truth of the charges or countercharges or as to the intention of the parties in entering into the 2009 Agreement,” Kaplan added.

The prince’s lawyer Andrew Brettler had argued that the expansive release clause protecting “other potential defendants” insulated Andrew, but the judge appeared to find that phrase inscrutable during oral arguments on Jan. 4.

*Judge Kaplan's 46 page summary is linked in the article. So, Virginia Giuffre's lawsuit against Andrew can and will proceed thru the courts.
I cannot be asked to read the 46 page "summary" LOL and will take the judges word for it.

The only thing I am saying, for now, is I believe she consented to whatever happened in London, as she was over the legal age of consent there. Her actions (getting the pic taken and boasting to Carolyn) indicate to me that she consented to anything that took place, if it did take place at all. The Met police have declined to take any action so there is no evidence of a crime in the UK, so that UK dog won't hunt either IMO.

The other (two?)counts, I don't know the actual circumstances and it appears to be one word against the other for now.

Will Maxwell be called to give evidence? If the perjury charges get dropped, I think she could come out to bat on the Prince's side IMO.
 
I cannot be asked to read the 46 page "summary" LOL and will take the judges word for it.

The only thing I am saying, for now, is I believe she consented to whatever happened in London, as she was over the legal age of consent there. Her actions (getting the pic taken and boasting to Carolyn) indicate to me that she consented to anything that took place, if it did take place at all. The Met police have declined to take any action so there is no evidence of a crime in the UK, so that UK dog won't hunt either IMO.

The other (two?)counts, I don't know the actual circumstances and it appears to be one word against the other for now.

Will Maxwell be called to give evidence? If the perjury charges get dropped, I think she could come out to bat on the Prince's side IMO.
But if she was paid for it, it is still considered trafficking. Think prostitutes. They willingly (term used loosely here) go have sex with these men and if they did it for free, they wouldn't be considered prostitutes and it wouldn't be illegal.
 
I cannot be asked to read the 46 page "summary" LOL and will take the judges word for it.

The only thing I am saying, for now, is I believe she consented to whatever happened in London, as she was over the legal age of consent there. Her actions (getting the pic taken and boasting to Carolyn) indicate to me that she consented to anything that took place, if it did take place at all. The Met police have declined to take any action so there is no evidence of a crime in the UK, so that UK dog won't hunt either IMO.

The other (two?)counts, I don't know the actual circumstances and it appears to be one word against the other for now.

Will Maxwell be called to give evidence? If the perjury charges get dropped, I think she could come out to bat on the Prince's side IMO.
I don't blame you for not reading it all because after page 5 the verbiage was over my head.

I too believe she consented in London however in NY is a little sketchy.

Maxwell probably does have a fierce memory of Virginia & I'd like to hear her thoughts in Andrew's case. She could set the record straight if nothing ever happened which would crush this lawsuit.
 
But if she was paid for it, it is still considered trafficking. Think prostitutes. They willingly (term used loosely here) go have sex with these men and if they did it for free, they wouldn't be considered prostitutes and it wouldn't be illegal.
Carolyn has come out publically & stated that it wasn't Maxwell who recruited her though, it was Virginia. Does that make a legal difference?
 

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