Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested on Sex Abuse Charges

Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who became a confidante of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and was later implicated in his alleged sexual crimes, has been arrested by the FBI. She was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire, around 8:30 a.m. Thursday on charges she conspired...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Tresir]

But if she was paid for it, it is still considered trafficking. Think prostitutes. They willingly (term used loosely here) go have sex with these men and if they did it for free, they wouldn't be considered prostitutes and it wouldn't be illegal.

I haven't seen any evidence she was paid for it. Prostitution is not actually illegal in the UK but soliciting is. I saw no evidence of anyone soliciting but will wait to see what comes out at trial. I think he will settle. He has allegedly sold his Swiss Chalet so he can pay his lawyers, and maybe have some over for VR.

 

[Guess Who]

I haven't seen any evidence she was paid for it. Prostitution is not actually illegal in the UK but soliciting is. I saw no evidence of anyone soliciting but will wait to see what comes out at trial. I think he will settle. He has allegedly sold his Swiss Chalet so he can pay his lawyers, and maybe have some over for VR.

Gotcha! I hadn't thought about different laws of different countries. This is why it's helpful when things are taking place in unfamiliar areas to have "locals" to explain the differences.

 

[Tresir]

This article says PA cannot even be compelled to attend the court case? Not sure how that works and whether lawyers can appear for him.

Ghislaine Maxwell lawyers file for retrial over juror’s revelations

Lawyers submit documents under seal requesting new trial after juror revealed he was victim of sexual abuse

www.independent.co.uk

Woah!!! this says she was paid $15,000.

"The Duke is accused of having sex with Ms Giuffre (then known by her maiden name, Virginia Roberts) on three occasions; a trip to London in 2001 when she was 17 for which she was paid $15,000, and later in New York and on Little Saint James, a small private island in the US Virgin Islands."

 

[kdg411]

This article says PA cannot even be compelled to attend the court case? Not sure how that works and whether lawyers can appear for him.

Ghislaine Maxwell lawyers file for retrial over juror’s revelations

Lawyers submit documents under seal requesting new trial after juror revealed he was victim of sexual abuse

www.independent.co.uk

Woah!!! this says she was paid $15,000.

"The Duke is accused of having sex with Ms Giuffre (then known by her maiden name, Virginia Roberts) on three occasions; a trip to London in 2001 when she was 17 for which she was paid $15,000, and later in New York and on Little Saint James, a small private island in the US Virgin Islands."

He only has to be present for a criminal which is not the case. The attorney's will do the traveling especially when it come to the deposition.
$15k?! Wow! That is a LOT of money.

Do you think he'll try to settle out of court?

 

[Tresir]

Gotcha! I hadn't thought about different laws of different countries. This is why it's helpful when things are taking place in unfamiliar areas to have "locals" to explain the differences.

That's funny - as soon as I said I hadn't seen any evidence she was paid for it, I saw in that article she allegedly got $15k.

Here's a bit more info. ( I am still finding it difficult to work out who paid Roberts $15k to have sex with PA - Epstein? )

Prostitution in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You know what, she may end up having the tax man chasing her on these earnings? So if she was paid, and she accepted it was it consensual or rape/abuse?

 

[Tresir]

He only has to be present for a criminal which is not the case. The attorney's will do the traveling especially when it come to the deposition.
$15k?! Wow! That is a LOT of money.

Do you think he'll try to settle out of court?

Well, in the Lisa Bloom video you posted, she said 95% of cases settle. I do think that could happen here.

 

[kdg411]

 

[Guess Who]

That's funny - as soon as I said I hadn't seen any evidence she was paid for it, I saw in that article she allegedly got $15k.

Here's a bit more info. ( I am still finding it difficult to work out who paid Roberts $15k to have sex with PA - Epstein? )

Prostitution in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You know what, she may end up having the tax man chasing her on these earnings? So if she was paid, and she accepted it was it consensual or rape/abuse?

The interest and penalties would be so much more than 15k, too by now.

 

[kdg411]

The interest and penalties would be so much more than 15k, too by now.

I would like to find the source of that tidbit however I wouldn't be surprised if it was accurate. Epstein had money at his disposal so I'm comfortable with assuming it was he who paid Virginia.

 

[Guess Who]

I would like to find the source of that tidbit however I wouldn't be surprised if it was accurate. Epstein had money at his disposal so I'm comfortable with assuming it was he who paid Virginia.

But he was sleezy and smart enough to possibly make sure it wasn't him that actually paid them even if it was his money to start with that paid them.

 

[Tresir]

I am posting this because it could be relevant, eg works of art or edifices by paedophiles. Do we destroy items like this because of the sculptor's background? The back story of this is the pulling down of a statue of Colston, a philanthropic slave trader from Bristol. The perpetrators were charged with criminal damage during BLM protests but a jury recently found them not guilty. This statue being destroyed is of Prospero and Ariel from the Tempest. The BBC building, Broadcasting House is a listed building so this is more serious than just dumping a statue in the river.

Should the Epstein Interlochen lodge be pulled down? Or other items eg works commissioned by him?

Shocking moment man climbs BBC Broadcasting House & smashes statue with hammer

THIS is the shocking moment a man clambers up BBC Broadcasting House to smash a statue by a paedophile sculptor. Pictures show the man attacking the statue called Prospero and Ariel by Eric Gill wh…

www.thesun.co.uk

My view is that we should not because we do not need a cleaned up version of history but clearly a jury did not agree with that.

 

[Tresir]

Scotty asks to see his own answers on his questionaire.

(Note to self. If ever selected for jury duty, take a cell phone photo of questionaire answers.)

Ghislaine Maxwell juror asks judge to see answers on sexual assault

David, 35, claimed he used his experience with sexual assault to influence other jurors, saying: 'When I shared that, they were able to come around on the memory aspect of the sexual abuse.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tresir]

Oh-oh here it comes. Guiffre and Andrew want "swathes of documents" released including testimonies from numerous John Does.

This will keep MSM busy for months.


"The request was opposed by John Doe 17 who complained that being associated with the case would cause him 'annoyance and embarrassment,' the legal filings state.

Another John Doe, number 151, claimed that they were 'trying to live a private life' and that disclosure meant they would be 'hounded' by the media."

Prince Andrew's accuser's lawyers demand unsealing of 'information'

Attorneys for Virginia Giuffre said that Judge Loretta Preska should make public material from a civil lawsuit she filed against Ghislaine Maxwell relating to eight anonymous John Does.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tresir]

Just one story which shows the reach of Epstein. I am sure we are going to hear many more similar stories. It looks like financial implications and connections are maybe going to be as important (if not more important) as the sexual ones.

Lord Mandelson blows out birthday cake with Epstein after child sex charge

LORD Peter Mandelson grins as Jeffrey Epstein blows out the candles on a birthday cake in a photo taken months after the paedophile was charged in an underage sex probe. The never-before-seen photo…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[kdg411]

I am posting this because it could be relevant, eg works of art or edifices by paedophiles. Do we destroy items like this because of the sculptor's background? The back story of this is the pulling down of a statue of Colston, a philanthropic slave trader from Bristol. The perpetrators were charged with criminal damage during BLM protests but a jury recently found them not guilty. This statue being destroyed is of Prospero and Ariel from the Tempest. The BBC building, Broadcasting House is a listed building so this is more serious than just dumping a statue in the river.

Should the Epstein Interlochen lodge be pulled down? Or other items eg works commissioned by him?

Shocking moment man climbs BBC Broadcasting House & smashes statue with hammer

THIS is the shocking moment a man clambers up BBC Broadcasting House to smash a statue by a paedophile sculptor. Pictures show the man attacking the statue called Prospero and Ariel by Eric Gill wh…

www.thesun.co.uk

My view is that we should not because we do not need a cleaned up version of history but clearly a jury did not agree with that.

I like that someone stated 'separate art from the person' because that packs a more powerful message.

As for Interlochen, I've wondered what will happen to it. The current board of directors have stated that nothing has happened there that warrants attention. Personally, I don't believe destroying the lodge is necessary however there may be victims who want to see it taken down.

PICTURED: Jeffrey Epstein's cabin near Michigan arts academy

A secluded cabin in Interlochen, Michigan, where convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and his so-called 'madam' Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly abused a young girl is available for holiday rental.

www.dailymail.co.uk

*I like and agree with your statement that we don't need a cleaned up version of history.

 

[kdg411]

Scotty asks to see his own answers on his questionaire.

(Note to self. If ever selected for jury duty, take a cell phone photo of questionaire answers.)

Ghislaine Maxwell juror asks judge to see answers on sexual assault

David, 35, claimed he used his experience with sexual assault to influence other jurors, saying: 'When I shared that, they were able to come around on the memory aspect of the sexual abuse.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think it's appropriate that he reviews the questionaire he filled out. It's also important because it shows he clearly does not remember any question about sexual assault. Judge Nathan may not request any further inquiry from him but we will have to wait, again.

 

[Tresir]

I like that someone stated 'separate art from the person' because that packs a more powerful message.

As for Interlochen, I've wondered what will happen to it. The current board of directors have stated that nothing has happened there that warrants attention. Personally, I don't believe destroying the lodge is necessary however there may be victims who want to see it taken down.

PICTURED: Jeffrey Epstein's cabin near Michigan arts academy

A secluded cabin in Interlochen, Michigan, where convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein and his so-called 'madam' Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly abused a young girl is available for holiday rental.

www.dailymail.co.uk

*I like and agree with your statement that we don't need a cleaned up version of history.

From you link about Interlochen -

"Last month, a woman filed suit against Epstein’s estate for more than $25million.

The unnamed woman, who claims Epstein recruited her in 1994 when she was just a 13-years-old student at Interlochen, was allegedly abused for more than four years."

"Last month" would be Sep 2020 based on the article date and this would be the "Jane" who testified I am guessing. Her count was the one the jury did not believe and found Maxwell not guilty, so her suit could be in doubt now.

 

[RoundPeg]

I think it's appropriate that he reviews the questionaire he filled out. It's also important because it shows he clearly does not remember any question about sexual assault. Judge Nathan may not request any further inquiry from him but we will have to wait, again.

I just find it ironic that he discussed "false memory" but yet can't remember how he filled out a questionnaire.

 

[Tresir]

I just find it ironic that he discussed "false memory" but yet can't remember how he filled out a questionnaire.

I hadn't thought of that, but you are right. This whole thing is just strange.

 

[kdg411]

From you link about Interlochen -

"Last month, a woman filed suit against Epstein’s estate for more than $25million.

The unnamed woman, who claims Epstein recruited her in 1994 when she was just a 13-years-old student at Interlochen, was allegedly abused for more than four years."

"Last month" would be Sep 2020 based on the article date and this would be the "Jane" who testified I am guessing. Her count was the one the jury did not believe and found Maxwell not guilty, so her suit could be in doubt now.

If this was Jane that testified didn't she receive approximately $2.9million for the Epstein Victim Fund? Or am I confused, which certainly could be.