Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested on Sex Abuse Charges

Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who became a confidante of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and was later implicated in his alleged sexual crimes, has been arrested by the FBI. She was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire, around 8:30 a.m. Thursday on charges she conspired...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Guess Who]

Sentencing in June. Can they actually give her more than Epstein himself got in Florida ? She has already been in jail way longer than he was.

Why can't they? What does his time have to do with hers?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Sentencing in June. Can they actually give her more than Epstein himself got in Florida ? She has already been in jail way longer than he was.

I think we've been through that here. Yes, they can. This is federal, it is not his case, it is hers, his has no effect on hers, Epstein made a deal, they are entire different courts

 

[Tresir]

Why can't they? What does his time have to do with hers?

She has been found guilty of conspiracy which requires more than one person. Presumably she conspired with Epstein, the chief conspirator, who got a year was it?

There were also other co-conspirators see link below, but I am not aware a list was ever issued.

For Ghislaine Maxwell Nov 29 Trial, She Asks Statements of Co-Conspirators By Oct 11

InnerCityPress.com is engaged these days in investigative journalism from the United Nations, including the World Bank, the IMF, the UN Development Program and the five continents.

www.innercitypress.com

When Judge Nathan denied Maxwell's motions for a bill of particulars, she put in a footnote that she "presumes the Government intends to disclose this information [a list of unnamed co-conspirators] at the same times that... it discloses Jencks Act material." On August 18, the US said it has no such intent.

Now Judge Nathan has ordered the parties to meet and confer about disclosure, and if not agreed by August 26, for Maxwell to file a response to DOJ position by August 30. Watch this site.

 

[Tresir]

I think we've been through that here. Yes, they can. This is federal, it is not his case, it is hers, his has no effect on hers, Epstein made a deal, they are entire different courts

When did we discuss conspiracy with Epstein before? Have you got a post number?

 

[GrandmaBear]

When did we discuss conspiracy with Epstein before? Have you got a post number?

Sentencing and why she could get more than him has been discussed ad nauseum here and attempts to explain made repeatedly. I'm not going back to look for posts you made and all of the answers you received. It might be quicker for you to yet again look for an article at the number of years she can get on each of the FIVE charges she was found guilty of than having you go look for numerous posts on this.

 

[Tresir]

Sentencing and why she could get more than him has been discussed ad nauseum here and attempts to explain made repeatedly. I'm not going back to look for posts you made and all of the answers you received. It might be quicker for you to yet again look for an article at the number of years she can get on each of the FIVE charges she was found guilty of than having you go look for numerous posts on this.

We discussed sentencing but not the conspiracy issue AFAIK. Also, it is relevant to bring it up again as she will be sentenced in 3 months time.

 

[Tresir]

Ghislaine Maxwell Charged In Manhattan Federal Court For Conspiring With Jeffrey Epstein To Sexually Abuse Minors

www.justice.gov

GHISLAINE MAXWELL, 58, is charged with one count of enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, one count of conspiracy to entice a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, one count of transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, which carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison, one count of conspiracy to transport a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, and two counts of perjury, each of which carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

The statutory maximum penalties are prescribed by Congress and are provided here for informational purposes only, as any sentencing of the defendant would be determined by the judge.

Ms. Strauss praised the outstanding investigative work of the FBI and the NYPD.

This case is being handled by the Office’s Public Corruption Unit. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Alex Rossmiller, Alison Moe, and Maurene Comey are in charge of the prosecution.

The charges contained in the Indictment are merely accusations. The defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

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[1] As the introductory phrase signifies, the entirety of the text of the Indictment, and the description of the Indictment set forth herein, constitute only allegations, and every fact described therein should be treated as an allegation. The defendant is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty.

End of quoted passage.

So the charges carry a maximum charge of 5 years in prison, except the transporting, which is 10 years. How long has she been in prison for so far?

Am just comparing this with the Waukesha parade accused, who was out on bail despite much more severe charges.

Bringing forward this post for info that mentions the maximums. I think the minimums were 1 year but the sentencing is determined by the judge.

Also below is the charge and the wording of the actual indictment names Maxwell, Epstein and " others, known and unknown " in the conspiracy charges.

https://www.justice.gov › filePDF
20 Cr. 330

abuse minor victims, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, and. Jeffrey Epstein enticed and caused minor victims to travel to ...

 

[Tresir]

Also posting this DM article that discusses appeal options.

Is Ghislaine Maxwell's appeal bid doomed to failure?

Lawyers today said there were no 'glaring legal issues' that would make prosecutors nervous and it would be better for Ghislaine Maxwell to 'drop a dime on all of Epstein's friends.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Tresir]

Court wrongly claimed Ghislaine Maxwell judge had been replaced

Judge Alison Nathan will continue to preside over Maxwell’s mistrial appeal

www.independent.co.uk

 

[kdg411]

Ghislaine Maxwell is looking at approximately 40 years (IIRC), so the rest of her natural life. In my opinion, she is where she should be and I'm greatful that Judge Nathan will be presiding over her attempt to appeal. Federal appeals are arduous and expensive.

She encouraged, aided & abetted Epstein's sick indulgences & was financially rewarded for her behavior.

All of this is my opinion only.

 

[Guess Who]

She has been found guilty of conspiracy which requires more than one person. Presumably she conspired with Epstein, the chief conspirator, who got a year was it?

There were also other co-conspirators see link below, but I am not aware a list was ever issued.

For Ghislaine Maxwell Nov 29 Trial, She Asks Statements of Co-Conspirators By Oct 11

InnerCityPress.com is engaged these days in investigative journalism from the United Nations, including the World Bank, the IMF, the UN Development Program and the five continents.

www.innercitypress.com

When Judge Nathan denied Maxwell's motions for a bill of particulars, she put in a footnote that she "presumes the Government intends to disclose this information [a list of unnamed co-conspirators] at the same times that... it discloses Jencks Act material." On August 18, the US said it has no such intent.

Now Judge Nathan has ordered the parties to meet and confer about disclosure, and if not agreed by August 26, for Maxwell to file a response to DOJ position by August 30. Watch this site.

and again, different courts that have no bearing on the other.

 

[Guess Who]

Bringing forward this post for info that mentions the maximums. I think the minimums were 1 year but the sentencing is determined by the judge.

Also below is the charge and the wording of the actual indictment names Maxwell, Epstein and " others, known and unknown " in the conspiracy charges.

View attachment 14437View attachment 14437https://www.justice.gov › filePDF
20 Cr. 330

abuse minor victims, GHISLAINE MAXWELL, the defendant, and. Jeffrey Epstein enticed and caused minor victims to travel to ...

and that still doesn't have any bearing on her sentencing vs his. None. Different charges, different judges, different courts. Not sure how much more clear that can be.

 

[Tresir]

and that still doesn't have any bearing on her sentencing vs his. None. Different charges, different judges, different courts. Not sure how much more clear that can be.

Same crime though. Sentencing is up to the judge - I posted the link. The trial had 4 victims when in actual fact two weren't victims at all, as explained by the judge.

Maxwell may also cooperate to get a lighter sentence, as Epstein did. I will not be at all surprised if that happens. She can also appeal both her sentence and conviction, which I am sure she will do too. Her lawyers said they were starting work on the appeal right after the conviction was announced.

I don't want any of you to be surprised if she gets a light sentence, that's all. The perjury charges have already been dropped.

 

[Guess Who]

Sentencing is up to the judge - I posted the link. The trial had 4 victims when in actual fact two weren't victims at all, as explained by the judge.

Maxwell may also cooperate to get a lighter sentence, as Epstein did. I will not be at all surprised if that happens. She can also appeal both her sentence and conviction, which I am sure she will do too. Her lawyers said they were starting work on the appeal right after the conviction was announced.

I don't want any of you to be surprised if she gets a light sentence, that's all. The perjury charges have already been dropped.

but you keep comparing hers to his, which are still separate cases, separate courts, separate judges that have no bearing on each other. That is all we are trying to explain. There is no comparison. She very well might get a light sentence. She might not.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ghislaine Maxwell is looking at approximately 40 years (IIRC), so the rest of her natural life. In my opinion, she is where she should be and I'm greatful that Judge Nathan will be presiding over her attempt to appeal. Federal appeals are arduous and expensive.

She encouraged, aided & abetted Epstein's sick indulgences & was financially rewarded for her behavior.

All of this is my opinion only.

I went and looked it up again yesterday as well. Yet again. Just the possible sentencing total which I knew was high. I saw the 40 years in one or two results and a possible 65 years in many others.

 

[GrandmaBear]

and again, different courts that have no bearing on the other.

Agree. The courts have zero bearing on each other. And Epstein's sentence has no bearing on Maxwell. This was answered and beaten like a dead horse throughout this thread.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Same crime though. Sentencing is up to the judge - I posted the link. The trial had 4 victims when in actual fact two weren't victims at all, as explained by the judge.

Maxwell may also cooperate to get a lighter sentence, as Epstein did. I will not be at all surprised if that happens. She can also appeal both her sentence and conviction, which I am sure she will do too. Her lawyers said they were starting work on the appeal right after the conviction was announced.

I don't want any of you to be surprised if she gets a light sentence, that's all. The perjury charges have already been dropped.

To put it nicely, I'm not getting back in your hamster wheel. This has all been brought up by you before repeatedly and all answered.

If it makes you feel any better, some pundits/experts feel she will likely get about 20 years to 25 years (I'm not so sure, I'd throw the book at her if I were judge) out of a possible 65 years (or some say 40).

Whatever you think a light sentence may be, even the light 20 to 25 years will make her an old woman before she gets out.

If she wins or does not win appeals has nothing to do with how she will be sentenced. Epstein's sentence or lack of one has nothing to do with how she will be sentenced.

Maxwell is a vile piece of filth, a predator and a disgusting human. I hope the book is thrown at her. Jmo.

You read enough links and news in this case and have provided probably most of them. I'm sure you know that these things you keep wondering or saying are not even mentioned as they have NOTHING TO DO WITH her sentencing.

 

[GrandmaBear]

but you keep comparing hers to his, which are still separate cases, separate courts, separate judges that have no bearing on each other. That is all we are trying to explain. There is no comparison. She very well might get a light sentence. She might not.

It has been explained repeatedly and clearly.

And no judge in his/her right mind would give anyone facing 40 to 65 years a slap on the wrist unless she found one that could be paid off. Maybe Tresir knows something we don't, stranger things have happened when it comes to the people in and around this disgusting trafficking ring. ....because I can't see any other reason to believe as she seems to that she will get a light sentence and we will be disappointed...

Maxwell is a vile creature. As was Epstein. Jmo.

 

[Tresir]

but you keep comparing hers to his, which are still separate cases, separate courts, separate judges that have no bearing on each other. That is all we are trying to explain. There is no comparison. She very well might get a light sentence. She might not.

In his case there was something that referred to protecting others. I think that may be brought up by her lawyers. This is how Cosby got released. Someone promised something and he got off on that technicality. Why can't I bring this up? I am sure the lawyers will. There are a lot of areas for review IMO. The time she is serving now will count as two or three times when they consider her sentencing. MOO

 

[Tresir]

It has been explained repeatedly and clearly.

And no judge in his/her right mind would give anyone facing 40 to 65 years a slap on the wrist unless she found one that could be paid off. Maybe Tresir knows something we don't, stranger things have happened when it comes to the people in and around this disgusting trafficking ring. ....because I can't see any other reason to believe as she seems to that she will get a light sentence and we will be disappointed...

Maxwell is a vile creature. As was Epstein. Jmo.

I resent your ridiculous comment insinuating "I know something". WTH do you mean ?

She is not facing 40-65. That is the maximum. She is not the main or even the only conspirator. She won't get the maximum is what I am saying. She will likely get the minimum. 1 year for each of the 1-5 year counts and 3-5 for the trafficking - all to run concurrently meaning 5 years max IMO, time served to be taken into account means she could be out by July. Yes I could be wrong but with the main conspirator getting off with a slap on the wrist, there is precedent. We shall see.