Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Do we have a Jefferey Epstein thread?

 
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Thank you. Did you happen to read them or plan to? If you did or do, I'd appreciate hearing anything you thought interesting or of note.
Yeah I have just listened. Agree with his Giuliani comments. And agree with his Epstein comments but we already knew he had that sweetheart deal didn't we?
 
Yeah I have just listened. Agree with his Giuliani comments. And agree with his Epstein comments but we already knew he had that sweetheart deal didn't we?
I'm lost I guess. I asked some days back and thought i related to Florida documents obtained or some such and whether you read them. Now since then, other things were linked and you said you listened, not read. Just wondering which thing you read or listened to. It's been a few days for me and this one just isn't one of my ones I pay the closest attention to.

Yes, we did know he had a sweetheart deal, a crazy one, no doubt. Smells.

You someone can now shoot me but I kind of liked Guiliani ALTHOUGH things happened after I felt that way and more. I thought he was so out there on the ground after 09/11 and such and that is where my liking came from. I know there's tons of other things like with ANY since and so on that has gone on.

I'm not talking politics either, I just thought he was a great one to have had in charge when the country, US the people, came together over it before factions quickly started splitting that new glue rapidly. Even the world responded, the PEOPLE I mean. Just can't have the public bonding right... Divide.

Anyhow enough about such. I just never hated the man due to that and I also haven't listened to whatever you did here as to re Epstein. And as I said this isn't one I follow near as close as some.

So what did you listen to? Refresh me not as to all the info, I don't expect you to do that, just what you listened to, when you get a moment. No rush.
 
I'm lost I guess. I asked some days back and thought i related to Florida documents obtained or some such and whether you read them. Now since then, other things were linked and you said you listened, not read. Just wondering which thing you read or listened to. It's been a few days for me and this one just isn't one of my ones I pay the closest attention to.

Yes, we did know he had a sweetheart deal, a crazy one, no doubt. Smells.

You someone can now shoot me but I kind of liked Guiliani ALTHOUGH things happened after I felt that way and more. I thought he was so out there on the ground after 09/11 and such and that is where my liking came from. I know there's tons of other things like with ANY since and so on that has gone on.

I'm not talking politics either, I just thought he was a great one to have had in charge when the country, US the people, came together over it before factions quickly started splitting that new glue rapidly. Even the world responded, the PEOPLE I mean. Just can't have the public bonding right... Divide.

Anyhow enough about such. I just never hated the man due to that and I also haven't listened to whatever you did here as to re Epstein. And as I said this isn't one I follow near as close as some.

So what did you listen to? Refresh me not as to all the info, I don't expect you to do that, just what you listened to, when you get a moment. No rush.
It was a bit about Epstein and how the young girls he abused would be charged themselves for sexual misconduct back in the day and that it was a different era so to speak. All BS of course as rape is rape and sexual assault or whatever he got them to do is illegal yet he got that sweetheart deal, as we all know.

I think the only thing I have not yet read or looked at is the Maxwell link. Hope to get to that later but am guessing I have already seen that if it is Guiffre v Maxwell - that case was settled wasn't it, in the end?

Actually I may not have seen the Epstein video yet either but had read your comments on it though.

I think all I have actually seen is the Scott Reisch video.
 
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Here is a link to 'some' of the reports unsealed.

Oh my, thanks Kdg. These 8 batches include some of 900, 300, 400, 600 and one even is over 1300 pages. Unfortunately there is no way I will have time to look at these. Maybe we can find someone who has already read them and has summarized them already for us.

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I have just found this Sky news article that does greatly summarize it.


Prosecutors knew Jeffrey Epstein sexually assaulted girls two years before they struck a deal long criticised as a missed chance to stop him, according to newly released transcripts.

The grand jury investigation began in Florida in 2006 - 13 years before he was charged with federal sex trafficking crimes in one of the most notorious cases in recent times.

The surprise release of the transcripts came on Monday, after a new law covering such cases was approved in February.

Normally, Florida grand jury transcripts are kept secret forever.

The documents show the jury heard evidence that Epstein - then in his 40s - had raped girls as young as 14 at his Palm Beach mansion.

The victims said they were often paid - and received extra cash and rented cars if they brought him more girls.

"The testimony taken by the Grand Jury concerns activity ranging from grossly unacceptable to rape - all of the conduct at issue is sexually deviant, disgusting, and criminal," said circuit judge Luis Degado on Monday.

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He said the transcripts showed why Epstein was "the most infamous paedophile in American history".

They detail how a police detective testified in 2006 that an investigation had been ongoing for a year after a woman said her daughter had been paid $300 for "sexual activity with a man in Palm Beach".

The detective, Joe Recarey, said the teenager had told him Epstein promised another $200 if she brought other girls - telling her "the younger, the better".

An aerial view of Little St James Island, Caribbean

Image:Epstein also abused girls on his island in the Caribbean. Pic: Reuters
She told police she eventually brought six girls to the house, including a 14-year-old, and that Epstein rejected one in her early-20s for being too old.

"She explained that there was going to be a massage or some possible touching, and you would have to provide the massage either topless or naked," the detective told the grand jury.

Another girl said she visited Epstein's house hundreds of times in the early 2000s, according to the transcripts, and was paid $1,000 when Epstein raped her.

Despite this evidence, in 2008 Epstein agreed a plea deal with Florida prosecutors that meant he dodged more serious federal charges.
He pleaded guilty to procuring a person under 18 for prostitution and solicitation of prostitution, getting just one and a half years in a Florida jail.

Epstein was even allowed to his office most days as part of a work-release programme, before registering as a sex offender and having a year of house arrest.

'They had a chance to put him away'

Brad Edwards, a lawyer for many of the victims, said the transcripts showed the chief prosecutor, state attorney Barry Krischer, "took the case to the Grand Jury with an agenda - to return minimal, if any, criminal charges against Jeffrey Epstein".

"A fraction of the evidence was presented, in a misleading way, and the office portrayed the victims as criminals," he said.

"It is so sad, the number of victims Epstein was able to abuse because the state carried water for him when they had a chance to put him away."



Mr Krischer has not yet commented about the transcripts' release.

Epstein wasn't charged with federal crimes until 2019, following the Miami Herald publishing fresh stories that included interviews with some victims who were suing him.

The 66-year-old killed himself in a New York prison cell in August 2019.

The fallout from the case exposed Epstein's links with powerful figures such as Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton - both of whom have denied any wrongdoing.

Epstein's estate is paying $155m (£122m) to more than 125 victims.
 
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It was a bit about Epstein and how the young girls he abused would be charged themselves for sexual misconduct back in the day and that it was a different era so to speak. All BS of course as rape is rape and sexual assault or whatever he got them to do is illegal yet he got that sweetheart deal, as we all know.

I think the only thing I have not yet read or looked at is the Maxwell link. Hope to get to that later but am guessing I have already seen that if it is Guiffre v Maxwell - that case was settled wasn't it, in the end?

Actually I may not have seen the Epstein video yet either but had read your comments on it though.

I think all I have actually seen is the Scott Reisch video.
Yeah that whole things about back in the day the girls would have been charged is sickening. It also shows a certain kind of opinion and attitude that's sickening and puts the blame on minor girls.

I know I watched and commented but again this is one that isn't a first and give me days in between when I've watched more on other things and we were referring to both reading print versus watching something and color me confused.

Yeah Scott's been one of the few who has always down Epstein. There is a real LACK of coverage here and with MSM especially even back in the day. I remember telling you that what you brought forward from your side of the "pond" was far more than we were getting here, etc. And Maxwell even.

There's real reason and has been for a long time, I don't do MSM and don't consider them real news lol.

Been a heckuva week so far. Am in the midst of things on my home that I don't even have the time to take care of or respond to. I was off early yesterday meaning before 5 but couldn't talk to my realtor until later in the evening as it was his anniversary and so I totally got that but had to wait until late in the evening to talk to him when an offer with a deadline was on the table, etc., etc., etc. Sounds minor I know but working around all of it and my own schedule too just was a day and still am in the midst of it this morning and of course can't do anything about it at this hour of the morning either as they aren't business hours and then I'll be at work. There's more to all that but not going to go into. Doesn't matter.

I didn't even totally catch up last night and then watched some of that crazy Julie Rowe interview before I was ready to nod off (Daybell). Case I stay up on more than this one of course and so this one right now is like trying to recall where I was at in it, etc. Will have to wait. It's always kind of on a back burner for me compared to others and life. The rich, the famous, the sick.
 
Any news anywhere on Maxwell's appeal?

ETA

While searching, I just found this interview with Maxwell's lawyer. A lot of our questions are answered in here.



Paula Froelich, updated 28 Mar 2024

(NewsNation) — Last week I sat down with Arthur Aidala, the lawyer for Ghislaine Maxwell, who was sentenced to 20 years in prison last June for conspiring with Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse minors.

Maxwell, who recently launched an appeal, is serving out her term in the Florida Correctional Institution-Tallahassee. She was recently moved from an overcrowded area dubbed the “Snake Pit,” where fights break out daily and prisoners are crammed four into a cubiclelike area, to the honor dorm – where she will likely have her own room. I spoke with Aidala to find out what life was like for her now and got some eye-opening responses. Here are the biggest bombshells.

1. Ghislaine Maxwell thinks she did nothing – not one thing – wrong.

When I asked Aidala if Maxwell thinks she has done anything wrong, he answered, “No, no. I mean, in her whole life, I’m sure she believes she’s done things wrong in life. But not regarding these charges.”

2. She is “very popular” inside prison and has inmates watching her back.

When asked about her life in prison, Aidala answered: “ I can tell you that she is a very popular inmate and I know that sounds weird or odd. She’s very well-liked, and one of the reasons why she’s very well-liked is Ghislaine speaks, I think five languages, but she speaks Spanish very well. And there are a lot of Spanish women who are incarcerated and a lot of them who need help with their cases … and Ghislaine is always there helping them. She tells me she’s gotten 20 people, either their sentences shortened or terminated altogether. So, that’s a great reputation to have when you’re in prison, is to be known as someone who can help you get out of jail sooner rather than later.”

‘Always a financial element,’ Ghislaine Maxwell attorney says of accusers

Regarding threats Maxwell may have received in prison, Aidala said: “There are things in prisons known as honor homicides. People who are in prison for the rest of their life will go try to kill a high-profile person because it gives them credibility amongst the other inmates. And that is something that we’re all afraid of for Ghislaine because she’s the biggest name in that prison. … I believe people around her have given her a heads up like, ‘you know, watch this one or watch that one’. She’s a popular person inside, and there are people watching her back.”

3. Her ex-husband Scott Borgerson is likely paying her bills.

When I asked Aidala, who charges $950 an hour, how Maxwell could afford her legal bills (he is not doing her case pro bono), he answered: “She has family. She has her ex-husband. That isn’t a problem.” Borgerson, a tech entrepreneur, is believed to have married Maxwell in 2016 and filed for divorce upon her conviction in December 2023.

The couple first met at an event linked to ocean preservation in Reykjavík in 2013 — when he was married to another woman. He soon left his wife and children, and The London Times reported that “soon after getting married, Maxwell transferred all of her assets to her husband in an attempt to protect her wealth from claims by the victims in the Epstein case.” Her wealth was estimated to be just over $20 million. It is likely this money that Borgerson is funneling to her defense. When Maxwell was arrested in 2022, he put up a$22.5 million bond to secure her pretrial release but was a no-show at her trial. He then allegedly left Maxwell for a yoga teacher.

4. Aidala (falsely) claims there was no mention of Maxwell by the women until Epstein’s death — and they “had the time of their lives.”

Aidala said: “Asking a woman to give someone a massage is not a crime and by the way, these victims were flying on private jets. They were literally eating caviar for lunch. There’s at least one if not more than one who said the period of time with Jeffrey Epstein was ‘the greatest time of my life.’”

Ghislaine Maxwell’s brother says she ‘didn’t have a fair trial’

When I asked, “Are you saying that caviar and private jets make up for everything that these women, what these women are saying happened?” Aidala answered: “Well, it’s just interesting that they were, they didn’t say a word for I don’t know, 15 years, 20 years. They didn’t complain (until) they were in a position to get money.”
This is false. Virginia Giuffre sued Maxwell in 2015 for abusing her, and several other women including Annie Farmer talked to press outlets between 2009 and 2018 about the abuse and Maxwell — but the articles were killed.

Many women have said over the years they were traumatized and terrified of Epstein and Maxwell. He also claimed only one woman was a minor when the abuse took place, but three women testified saying they were underage.

5. Aidiala isn’t “optimistic” about Maxwell’s appeal — but will try to take her case to the Supreme Court.

When asked about Maxwell’s chance at getting an appeal, Aidala said: “I will be honest with you, I am not overly optimistic. But this is the type of case that can go to the United States Supreme Court … this is a case that is eligible to go forth.” The biggest issue has to do with a non-prosecution agreement in 2008 when Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges of one count of soliciting prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. In that deal, he asked for — and received — an agreement that also sought to prevent criminal charges from being brought “against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein.” He named four women in the plea deal — Maxwell was not one of them.

“We’re asking that the case be thrown out because there was a non-prosecution agreement signed by Jeffrey Epstein. Which said, If I plead guilty, and I go to jail, you’re not gonna hurt anyone around me. So, we’re asking that the case get thrown out, gets thrown out the same way they did (with) Bill Cosby’s case where he signed a non-prosecution agreement and the prosecutor ripped it up and tried him anyway. And the appeals court said no, that’s a binding contract. And Mr. Cosby got to be set free.”
As for whether or not Maxwell is ready to spend 20 years in prison, Aidala said, “She’s a fighter. She’s smart. She has … she appears to be the type of person who will never stop fighting for her innocence.”
 
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Any news anywhere on Maxwell's appeal?

ETA

While searching, I just found this interview with Maxwell's lawyer. A lot of our questions are answered in here.



Paula Froelich, updated 28 Mar 2024

(NewsNation) — Last week I sat down with Arthur Aidala, the lawyer for Ghislaine Maxwell, who was sentenced to 20 years in prison last June for conspiring with Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse minors.

Maxwell, who recently launched an appeal, is serving out her term in the Florida Correctional Institution-Tallahassee. She was recently moved from an overcrowded area dubbed the “Snake Pit,” where fights break out daily and prisoners are crammed four into a cubiclelike area, to the honor dorm – where she will likely have her own room. I spoke with Aidala to find out what life was like for her now and got some eye-opening responses. Here are the biggest bombshells.

1. Ghislaine Maxwell thinks she did nothing – not one thing – wrong.

When I asked Aidala if Maxwell thinks she has done anything wrong, he answered, “No, no. I mean, in her whole life, I’m sure she believes she’s done things wrong in life. But not regarding these charges.”

2. She is “very popular” inside prison and has inmates watching her back.

When asked about her life in prison, Aidala answered: “ I can tell you that she is a very popular inmate and I know that sounds weird or odd. She’s very well-liked, and one of the reasons why she’s very well-liked is Ghislaine speaks, I think five languages, but she speaks Spanish very well. And there are a lot of Spanish women who are incarcerated and a lot of them who need help with their cases … and Ghislaine is always there helping them. She tells me she’s gotten 20 people, either their sentences shortened or terminated altogether. So, that’s a great reputation to have when you’re in prison, is to be known as someone who can help you get out of jail sooner rather than later.”

‘Always a financial element,’ Ghislaine Maxwell attorney says of accusers

Regarding threats Maxwell may have received in prison, Aidala said: “There are things in prisons known as honor homicides. People who are in prison for the rest of their life will go try to kill a high-profile person because it gives them credibility amongst the other inmates. And that is something that we’re all afraid of for Ghislaine because she’s the biggest name in that prison. … I believe people around her have given her a heads up like, ‘you know, watch this one or watch that one’. She’s a popular person inside, and there are people watching her back.”

3. Her ex-husband Scott Borgerson is likely paying her bills.

When I asked Aidala, who charges $950 an hour, how Maxwell could afford her legal bills (he is not doing her case pro bono), he answered: “She has family. She has her ex-husband. That isn’t a problem.” Borgerson, a tech entrepreneur, is believed to have married Maxwell in 2016 and filed for divorce upon her conviction in December 2023.

The couple first met at an event linked to ocean preservation in Reykjavík in 2013 — when he was married to another woman. He soon left his wife and children, and The London Times reported that “soon after getting married, Maxwell transferred all of her assets to her husband in an attempt to protect her wealth from claims by the victims in the Epstein case.” Her wealth was estimated to be just over $20 million. It is likely this money that Borgerson is funneling to her defense. When Maxwell was arrested in 2022, he put up a$22.5 million bond to secure her pretrial release but was a no-show at her trial. He then allegedly left Maxwell for a yoga teacher.

4. Aidala (falsely) claims there was no mention of Maxwell by the women until Epstein’s death — and they “had the time of their lives.”

Aidala said: “Asking a woman to give someone a massage is not a crime and by the way, these victims were flying on private jets. They were literally eating caviar for lunch. There’s at least one if not more than one who said the period of time with Jeffrey Epstein was ‘the greatest time of my life.’”

Ghislaine Maxwell’s brother says she ‘didn’t have a fair trial’

When I asked, “Are you saying that caviar and private jets make up for everything that these women, what these women are saying happened?” Aidala answered: “Well, it’s just interesting that they were, they didn’t say a word for I don’t know, 15 years, 20 years. They didn’t complain (until) they were in a position to get money.”
This is false. Virginia Giuffre sued Maxwell in 2015 for abusing her, and several other women including Annie Farmer talked to press outlets between 2009 and 2018 about the abuse and Maxwell — but the articles were killed.

Many women have said over the years they were traumatized and terrified of Epstein and Maxwell. He also claimed only one woman was a minor when the abuse took place, but three women testified saying they were underage.

5. Aidiala isn’t “optimistic” about Maxwell’s appeal — but will try to take her case to the Supreme Court.

When asked about Maxwell’s chance at getting an appeal, Aidala said: “I will be honest with you, I am not overly optimistic. But this is the type of case that can go to the United States Supreme Court … this is a case that is eligible to go forth.” The biggest issue has to do with a non-prosecution agreement in 2008 when Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges of one count of soliciting prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. In that deal, he asked for — and received — an agreement that also sought to prevent criminal charges from being brought “against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein.” He named four women in the plea deal — Maxwell was not one of them.

“We’re asking that the case be thrown out because there was a non-prosecution agreement signed by Jeffrey Epstein. Which said, If I plead guilty, and I go to jail, you’re not gonna hurt anyone around me. So, we’re asking that the case get thrown out, gets thrown out the same way they did (with) Bill Cosby’s case where he signed a non-prosecution agreement and the prosecutor ripped it up and tried him anyway. And the appeals court said no, that’s a binding contract. And Mr. Cosby got to be set free.”
As for whether or not Maxwell is ready to spend 20 years in prison, Aidala said, “She’s a fighter. She’s smart. She has … she appears to be the type of person who will never stop fighting for her innocence.”
She he's a liar with several areas in the article pointed out what he said were falsehoods.

Cosby should have never been released but that has nothing to do with this.

Jeffrey Epstein had no legal right to protect her, he had no such say so and if I recall she was not specifically named either way she?

Anyhow,

It's also total b.s. her hub or ex hub or whatever he is can pay this man with assets of hers she hid and when she screwed over her former attorneys re payment. His yoga teacher must be very understanding to have no problem with him helping his ex unless of course by now, he's moved on to a pole dancing instructor from the yoga teacher.

He isn't optimistic about appeal and I for one hope he's right on that.

It's still b.s. she got moved into the Ritz at the prison.

You know my opinion of her and of it all.

Nice of her to help Hispanic women though, some of them may actually deserve it, hard to say, but she doesn't deserve release imo nor an overturn on appeal. Not real sure how she's helping them re any legal aspect, the woman is not a lawyer.. Maybe if she studies and applies herself she will be a licensed lawyer by the time she gets out. I would be ONE step up from being a madame. Being I don't think much of (not all) but many a lawyer.

Not impressed with the man, he's either a liar or he isn't even up on the facts of it all.
 
She he's a liar with several areas in the article pointed out what he said were falsehoods.

Cosby should have never been released but that has nothing to do with this.

Jeffrey Epstein had no legal right to protect her, he had no such say so and if I recall she was not specifically named either way she?

Anyhow,

It's also total b.s. her hub or ex hub or whatever he is can pay this man with assets of hers she hid and when she screwed over her former attorneys re payment. His yoga teacher must be very understanding to have no problem with him helping his ex unless of course by now, he's moved on to a pole dancing instructor from the yoga teacher.

He isn't optimistic about appeal and I for one hope he's right on that.

It's still b.s. she got moved into the Ritz at the prison.

You know my opinion of her and of it all.

Nice of her to help Hispanic women though, some of them may actually deserve it, hard to say, but she doesn't deserve release imo nor an overturn on appeal. Not real sure how she's helping them re any legal aspect, the woman is not a lawyer.. Maybe if she studies and applies herself she will be a licensed lawyer by the time she gets out. I would be ONE step up from being a madame. Being I don't think much of (not all) but many a lawyer.

Not impressed with the man, he's either a liar or he isn't even up on the facts of it all.
I'm not familiar with the legalities of a NPA and how much it can be relied on or not. The fact he quotes Crosby who had a NPA disregarded and then won on an appeal seems to be the grounds they are relying on, so we shall see. She actually has a female lawyer IIRC who i guess is from his practice.

As to him being a liar, most lawyers need that trait don't they?

As for her hiding her assets via her ex, i am not surprised about that and the sudden convenient divorce. I think we already knew that.
 
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"Named in the lawsuit with Maxwell, who is serving a 20-year sentence in a Florida prison, are her brother Kevin and her estranged husband, Scott Borgerson, according to the 18-page complaint filed in Denver District Court."

In the part of the article I posted above there is a highlighted link to the complete document. (See paragraph above) One thing that it explains is the trail of money, which is convoluted, and includes a property being transferred via a trust to hubby for $100 then him selling it for $2 million. Hubby then declares he is getting a divorce.

I have copied that one page below -

"On July 27, 2020, less than a month after the indictment against Ms. Maxwell, the
Maxwell family lawyer who was managing Ms. Maxwell’s defense became Granite’s sole
manager.
64. Under Granite’s operating agreement, the Maxwell family lawyer had “the right
and power to manage, operate, and control [Granite] and to do all things which it deems
necessary or desirable for [Granite].”
65. On July 30, 2020, a month after the indictment, Mr. Borgerson transferred one of
the Boston condominiums from a trust to himself personally for $100 in consideration.
66. On December 21, 2021, an HMF shareholder wrote Mr. Maxwell to express
concern about media reports that Mr. Borgerson was divorcing Ms. Maxwell.
67. Mr. Maxwell assured HMF that “[y]ou will not be tangled with Scott.”
68. Mr. Maxwell, however, had information indicating that Mr. Borgerson’s planned
divorce would further impede HMF’s ability to recoup fees and advanced costs, which he
withheld from HMF.
69. Mr. Maxwell and the family lawyer also routinely told HMF that missed payment
deadlines and Ms. Maxwell’s growing delinquency was the result of obstruction by Mr.
Borgerson.
70. Public records reflect that, in May 2022, Mr. Borgerson sold the same property he
transferred a month after Ms. Maxwell’s arrest for $2,150,000.
71. Also following Ms. Maxwell’s conviction, Mr. Borgerson listed the Bradford,
Massachusetts, estate for $7,295,000, claiming that Ms. Maxwell had no ownership interest in
the property."

This is one page only of the 18 page document.

This was all planned two, or even more, years ago.
 
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I'm not familiar with the legalities of a NPA and how much it can be relied on or not. The fact he quotes Crosby who had a NPA disregarded and then won on an appeal seems to be the grounds they are relying on, so we shall see. She actually has a female lawyer IIRC who i guess is from his practice.

As to him being a liar, most lawyers need that trait don't they?

As for her hiding her assets via her ex, i am not surprised about that and the sudden convenient divorce. I think we already knew that.
Hey I'm not going to stick up for lawyers generally, let me tell you but as far as lying to the press outright with facts they'd no otherwise about and know what he said is false, that's pretty dumb or uninformed on the case.

We've been through a lot of it before and not going to rehash the NPA and such but if I recall, it was not like done and agreed to by the feds but by was it the FL prosecutor or whatever? That person CANNOT exclude federal prosecution which is what happened to Maxwell.

I'm not up on Crosby but am thinking his was more he had payoffs to victims with agreements they not prosecute. I am UNSURE of that though. That's different. Epstein was covering accomplices or Maxwell tries to claim. Crosby was a sole actor to my knowledge in his crimes. They are I am thinking, apples to oranges, not SURE, but thinking so.

I didn't find much this man had to say very noteworthy or accurate or female whatever the case. And was it like $950 an hour? Well I don't see the value and then her own attorney says he is not very optimistic...

But let her pay him and hopefully they do what they should also be doing and seize her hidden assets and money. Never seems to happen though.
 
I have a nice late start today. Don't go into 1. Nice to get that breather, worked til 8:30 last night. But then tonight til 9:30 or later, in tomorrow at 10, done at 7 and in the next day at 7 a.m. to end the week.

Hardest thing in such a job is shifts all over the place and never the same each and every week.

Anyhow, not been a lot of posts on here and so was easy to stay caught up on site but boy is there a ton out on Soto for document dumps, interview dumps, etc. I may never catch up with out there. So been watching some of those and now closing in on work hour. And watched one of Colby Ryan (Daybell) I linked also.

Needed the few hours though of down time this morning. I still went to bed way too late but at least did not have to be up two hours later lol.

I still worry in this case about a fix being in or is being worked... Just her being put into the better area she never earned bothers me. I feel much the same in Murdaugh. Anywhere there's deep corruption, high connections, money and power, and people who have to worry about their own arses being outed...
 
Hey I'm not going to stick up for lawyers generally, let me tell you but as far as lying to the press outright with facts they'd no otherwise about and know what he said is false, that's pretty dumb or uninformed on the case.

We've been through a lot of it before and not going to rehash the NPA and such but if I recall, it was not like done and agreed to by the feds but by was it the FL prosecutor or whatever? That person CANNOT exclude federal prosecution which is what happened to Maxwell.

I'm not up on Crosby but am thinking his was more he had payoffs to victims with agreements they not prosecute. I am UNSURE of that though. That's different. Epstein was covering accomplices or Maxwell tries to claim. Crosby was a sole actor to my knowledge in his crimes. They are I am thinking, apples to oranges, not SURE, but thinking so.

I didn't find much this man had to say very noteworthy or accurate or female whatever the case. And was it like $950 an hour? Well I don't see the value and then her own attorney says he is not very optimistic...

But let her pay him and hopefully they do what they should also be doing and seize her hidden assets and money. Never seems to happen though.
I am just posting the info. The only thing i am interested in is the appeal grounds and whether what is said about the plea agreement and NPA is valid. This has been with the appeal court now for 5 months at least, so there should be something known about it. How long did Cosby's take? I'll have to check it out. In the meantime it looks like she is earning her keep helping inmates somewhat, and gets a little protection in return, so i don't see anything wrong with that. I guess she has served maybe 3 years now?

(She was indicted in July 2020 so maybe 4 years served now?)
 
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This shows the detail of Epsteins deal that is known. It says he only did 18 months and it was also negotiated to avoid a federal charge. Maxwell has already served longer than him.

Most of Epstein's deal was secret so i don't think this can be verified but I would think her lawyers will have access to it.

Basically he got 18 months and she got 20 years, of which she has served 4, so far.


March 2005: Police in Palm Beach, Florida, begin investigating Epstein after the family of a 14-year-old girl reports she was molested at his mansion. Multiple underage girls, many of them high school students, would later tell police that Epstein hired them to give sexual massages.

May 2006: Palm Beach police officials sign paperwork to charge Epstein with multiple counts of unlawful sex with a minor, but the county’s top prosecutor, State Attorney Barry Krischer, takes the unusual step of sending the case to a grand jury.

July 2006: Epstein is arrested after a grand jury indicts him on a single count of soliciting prostitution. The relatively minor charge draws almost immediate attention from critics, including Palm Beach police leaders, who assail Krischer publicly and accuse him of giving Epstein special treatment. The FBI begins an investigation.

2007: Federal prosecutors prepare an indictment against Epstein. But for a year, the money manager’s lawyers engage in talks with the U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, about a plea bargain that would allow Epstein to avoid a federal prosecution. Epstein’s lawyers decry his accusers as unreliable witnesses.



June 2008: Epstein pleads guilty to state charges: one count of solicitating prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. He is sentenced to 18 months in jail. Under a secret arrangement, the U.S. attorney’s office agrees not to prosecute Epstein for federal crimes. Epstein serves most of his sentence in a work-release program that allows him to leave jail during the day to go to his office, then return at night.

July 2009: Epstein is released from jail. For the next decade, multiple women who say they are Epstein’s victims wage a legal fight to get his federal non-prosecution agreement voided, and hold him and others liable for the abuse. One of Epstein’s accusers, Virginia Giuffre, says in her lawsuits that, starting when she was 17, Epstein and his girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, set up sexual encounters with royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and other rich and powerful men, including Britain’s Prince Andrew. All of those men deny the allegations.

November 2018: The Miami Herald revisits the handling of Epstein’s case in a series of stories focusing partly on the role of Acosta — who by this point is President Donald Trump’s labor secretary — in arranging his unusual plea deal. The coverage renews public interest in the case.

July 6, 2019: Epstein is arrested on federal sex trafficking charges after federal prosecutors in New York conclude that they weren’t bound by the terms of the earlier non-prosecution deal. Days later, Acosta resigns as labor secretary amid public outrage over his role in the initial investigation.

Aug. 10, 2019: Guards find Epstein dead in his cell at a federal jail in New York City. Investigators conclude he killed himself.

July 2, 2020: Federal prosecutors in New York charge Ghislaine Maxwell with sex crimes, saying she helped recruit the underage girls that Epstein sexually abused and sometimes participated in the abuse herself.

Dec. 30, 2021: After a monthlong trial, a jury convicts Maxwell of multiple charges, including sex trafficking, conspiracy and transportation of a minor for illegal sexual activity.

June 28, 2022: Maxwell is sentenced to 20 years in prison.
 
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This is the detail about the deal that freed Cosby, so we can take a look if we want.


This bit seems to be the relevant bit.

"In a verdict issued on Wednesday, Pennsylvania's highest court found there was a "process violation" because Mr Cosby's lawyers had made an agreement with a previous state prosecutor that he would not be charged in the case.

The former actor appeared frail as he slowly walked to waiting media outside his home, shortly after being released from prison.

He did not say anything, instead leaning on his team of lawyers and spokesman Andrew Wyatt to answer questions.

"On this hot day - this is a hot verdict for us," Mr Wyatt said.

"Mr Cosby has always used his celebrity and his name to uplift women... How could a man who is being watched by the FBI every day be raping and drugging women… especially a black man?" he added.

Off camera, fans of Mr Cosby could be heard yelling their support throughout the media conference."
 
This shows the detail of Epsteins deal that is known. It says he only did 18 months and it was also negotiated to avoid a federal charge. Maxwell has already served longer than him.

Most of Epstein's deal was secret so i don't think this can be verified but I would think her lawyers will have access to it.

Basically he got 18 months and she got 20 years, of which she has served 4, so far.


March 2005: Police in Palm Beach, Florida, begin investigating Epstein after the family of a 14-year-old girl reports she was molested at his mansion. Multiple underage girls, many of them high school students, would later tell police that Epstein hired them to give sexual massages.

May 2006: Palm Beach police officials sign paperwork to charge Epstein with multiple counts of unlawful sex with a minor, but the county’s top prosecutor, State Attorney Barry Krischer, takes the unusual step of sending the case to a grand jury.

July 2006: Epstein is arrested after a grand jury indicts him on a single count of soliciting prostitution. The relatively minor charge draws almost immediate attention from critics, including Palm Beach police leaders, who assail Krischer publicly and accuse him of giving Epstein special treatment. The FBI begins an investigation.

2007: Federal prosecutors prepare an indictment against Epstein. But for a year, the money manager’s lawyers engage in talks with the U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, about a plea bargain that would allow Epstein to avoid a federal prosecution. Epstein’s lawyers decry his accusers as unreliable witnesses.



June 2008: Epstein pleads guilty to state charges: one count of solicitating prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. He is sentenced to 18 months in jail. Under a secret arrangement, the U.S. attorney’s office agrees not to prosecute Epstein for federal crimes. Epstein serves most of his sentence in a work-release program that allows him to leave jail during the day to go to his office, then return at night.

July 2009: Epstein is released from jail. For the next decade, multiple women who say they are Epstein’s victims wage a legal fight to get his federal non-prosecution agreement voided, and hold him and others liable for the abuse. One of Epstein’s accusers, Virginia Giuffre, says in her lawsuits that, starting when she was 17, Epstein and his girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, set up sexual encounters with royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and other rich and powerful men, including Britain’s Prince Andrew. All of those men deny the allegations.

November 2018: The Miami Herald revisits the handling of Epstein’s case in a series of stories focusing partly on the role of Acosta — who by this point is President Donald Trump’s labor secretary — in arranging his unusual plea deal. The coverage renews public interest in the case.

July 6, 2019: Epstein is arrested on federal sex trafficking charges after federal prosecutors in New York conclude that they weren’t bound by the terms of the earlier non-prosecution deal. Days later, Acosta resigns as labor secretary amid public outrage over his role in the initial investigation.

Aug. 10, 2019: Guards find Epstein dead in his cell at a federal jail in New York City. Investigators conclude he killed himself.

July 2, 2020: Federal prosecutors in New York charge Ghislaine Maxwell with sex crimes, saying she helped recruit the underage girls that Epstein sexually abused and sometimes participated in the abuse herself.

Dec. 30, 2021: After a monthlong trial, a jury convicts Maxwell of multiple charges, including sex trafficking, conspiracy and transportation of a minor for illegal sexual activity.

June 28, 2022: Maxwell is sentenced to 20 years in prison.
We really can't say for sure that she has served more than him. We only know of the 18 month sentence. He was in jail when he died at we don't know how long he might have gotten from that.

I'm also not understanding the fixation that she did not time than he did. He got a sweetheart deal. She did not. She didn't do any time when he did. He very well could have gotten life of he had made it to trial.
 
We really can't say for sure that she has served more than him. We only know of the 18 month sentence. He was in jail when he died at we don't know how long he might have gotten from that.

I'm also not understanding the fixation that she did not time than he did. He got a sweetheart deal. She did not. She didn't do any time when he did. He very well could have gotten life of he had made it to trial.
What do you mean by fixation? This article explains what was considered for his original deal in Florida. It contends that his secret deal in Florida included the federal charges too. I find it hard to follow it all, but it seems that the federal charges being dropped were part of that secret deal. So, yes, she has served more than him already. He served 18 months, she has so far served at least 48 months and that "secret deal" is what her appeal is based upon.


"FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — There is only one Justice Department, but two of its largest U.S. attorneys’ offices came to vastly different conclusions about what to do with financier Jeffrey Epstein over allegations he sexually molested dozens of underage girls.
Eleven years ago, Miami U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta — now President Donald Trump’s labor secretary — approved an extraordinary secret agreement in which Epstein pleaded guilty to lesser state charges rather than face much tougher federal prosecution on charges he sexually abused underage girls at his homes in Florida and New York from 2002 through 2005.
On Monday, Manhattan U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman announced the indictment of Epstein, 66, on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges stemming from at least some of the same conduct that was covered in the agreement over a decade ago. Epstein, who served 13 months after his 2008 Florida plea deal, is now looking at 45 years behind bars if convicted in New York.
Epstein pleaded not guilty Monday to the new charges and is being held until a bail hearing next week. Prosecutors want him detained until the case is resolved, contending he is a flight risk because of his extraordinary wealth.
It’s highly unusual for one federal prosecutor to pass on an indictment only to have another located elsewhere to determine otherwise, defense attorneys say. And Epstein’s lawyers argued Monday that the previous deal more than covers the new charges brought, and therefore their client cannot be prosecuted. But federal prosecutors in New York said the deal made in Miami does not apply to them."
 
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What do you mean by fixation? This article explains what was considered for his original deal in Florida. It contends that his secret deal in Florida included the federal charges too. I find it hard to follow it all, but it seems that the federal charges being dropped were part of that secret deal. So, yes, she has served more than him already. He served 18 months, she has so far served at least 48 months and that "secret deal" is what her appeal is based upon.


"FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — There is only one Justice Department, but two of its largest U.S. attorneys’ offices came to vastly different conclusions about what to do with financier Jeffrey Epstein over allegations he sexually molested dozens of underage girls.
Eleven years ago, Miami U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta — now President Donald Trump’s labor secretary — approved an extraordinary secret agreement in which Epstein pleaded guilty to lesser state charges rather than face much tougher federal prosecution on charges he sexually abused underage girls at his homes in Florida and New York from 2002 through 2005.
On Monday, Manhattan U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman announced the indictment of Epstein, 66, on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges stemming from at least some of the same conduct that was covered in the agreement over a decade ago. Epstein, who served 13 months after his 2008 Florida plea deal, is now looking at 45 years behind bars if convicted in New York.
Epstein pleaded not guilty Monday to the new charges and is being held until a bail hearing next week. Prosecutors want him detained until the case is resolved, contending he is a flight risk because of his extraordinary wealth.
It’s highly unusual for one federal prosecutor to pass on an indictment only to have another located elsewhere to determine otherwise, defense attorneys say. And Epstein’s lawyers argued Monday that the previous deal more than covers the new charges brought, and therefore their client cannot be prosecuted. But federal prosecutors in New York said the deal made in Miami does not apply to them."
I mean because you mention it very often. They aren't the same case so there is no comparison.
 

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