Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested on Sex Abuse Charges

Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who became a confidante of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and was later implicated in his alleged sexual crimes, has been arrested by the FBI. She was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire, around 8:30 a.m. Thursday on charges she conspired...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Tresir]

I''m not so sure. Did so and so, whatever his face have such power? There's all sorts of things to be argued. All criminals want things both ways. Did they not argue she was NOT a conspirators (meaning her and the defense)? Playing it both ways...

She's a US prisoner, she won't be going to any out of country prison. Under what authority and who would be required to take her if she never was prosecuted there for any crimes? I don't see that happening at all. Our prisoners are not farmed out to other countries. We have our own federal prisons.

It seems to me this was already tried and argued so I guess they are appealing the fact the judge did not feel it covered her or that she should dismiss the charges?

They don't even HAVE to consider her appeal or take it up.

The only thing I care about is that she serves every DAY of her time and she should be back in the more hellish part of the prison she did not EARN her spot as others had to.

Other than that, I'm not really interested in these two "people" or the WIKI thing on Epstein either. He isn't fascinating to me, nor is she. Just saying and jmo.

Its' entirely clear what kind of people they were and the life they were leading and things they were doing.

If for some reason she wins any appeal or ends up released, then I will have a LOT to say.

Most of the NDP stuff has been discussed plenty prior.

The only thing new is that they are using it I guess for appeal now or as part of one, attempting to anyhow.

He's dead and she's where she belongs (except for the cushy side part of it and her own "cell"/room. AT that point, I felt they were disposed of as best as could be and wash my hands of any interest in these two evil losers. And I don't care how rich or how they hobnobbed, they are very warped and twisted losers. Evil people. Sickly self indulgent. I didn't even like taking the time to type that.

I get that it's of higher interest to you than it is to me. We all vary in what cases interest us more.

I come in when there is activity only because I did basically follow it.

And I think she belongs in prison for life but we knew that was never going to happen.

They got away with it because of all the **** they had on important people and their supposed Mossad connections. Did you read the Wiki? Maxwell's father was rumoured to be Mossad too.

 

[Tresir]

This article is quite old (2 years ago) but touches on what i was saying about her transfering to a UK prison. I told you that could be a consideration. They are probably waiting for the appeal result first.

Ghislaine Maxwell: What happens next and where will she serve her prison term?.

Darn it i cannot get into it but all the others had it too so here is the DM.

Ghislaine Maxwell could use prison swap scheme to relocate to UK jail

Ghislaine Maxwell, 60 - who is expected to appeal her sentence - may have to spend only a further eight years in jail, and could be free before she is 70 if she is allowed to serve it in the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk

• Ghislaine Maxwell’s 20-year sentence could be slashed if she serves it in the UK
• Under British law rather than US rules, 'parole if forbidden for federal crimes'
• Maxwell, 60, who is expected to appeal, may spend further eight years in jail
• Maxwell has been jailed for trafficking teenagers to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein

Ghislaine Maxwell’s 20-year sentence could be slashed if she is allowed to serve it in the UK.
Legal expert Mark Stephens said she would then come under British law rather than US rules, which forbid parole for federal crimes.
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That means Maxwell, 60 – who is expected to appeal – may have to spend only a further eight years in jail, and could be free before she is 70.
Mr Stephens, of London legal firm Howard Kennedy, said: ‘I think it will take until autumn to appeal. Once the appeal is done, if she’s British she’s entitled to opt for the prison swap regime – it usually takes six to 18 months as it depends on a US citizen to be shipped back to America.

A courtroom illustration of Ghislaine Maxwell with her defence lawyer Christian Everdell during her sentencing hearing in New York City on Tuesday. She was sentenced to 20 years for sex trafficking


More at link.

 

[GrandmaBear]

They got away with it because of all the **** they had on important people and their supposed Mossad connections. Did you read the Wiki? Maxwell's father was rumoured to be Mossad too.

No, sorry. I just don't care how he was raised or about more of his life story. Or hers. The justice that could be had has been. He is DEAD thank God and she is in prison and had better stay there. So for all their connections, neither is eating caviar being served by naked minors on the beach. Purposefully sarcastic.

I hope the other rotten to the core ones involved shake in their boots every single day.

I will yell if she gets released and I'm still madder than a hornet over her move to nicer quarters, entirely undeserved. However, what good does it do?

 

[GrandmaBear]

This article is quite old (2 years ago) but touches on what i was saying about her transfering to a UK prison. I told you that could be a consideration. They are probably waiting for the appeal result first.

Ghislaine Maxwell: What happens next and where will she serve her prison term?.

Darn it i cannot get into it but all the others had it too so here is the DM.

Ghislaine Maxwell could use prison swap scheme to relocate to UK jail

Ghislaine Maxwell, 60 - who is expected to appeal her sentence - may have to spend only a further eight years in jail, and could be free before she is 70 if she is allowed to serve it in the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk

• Ghislaine Maxwell’s 20-year sentence could be slashed if she serves it in the UK
• Under British law rather than US rules, 'parole if forbidden for federal crimes'
• Maxwell, 60, who is expected to appeal, may spend further eight years in jail
• Maxwell has been jailed for trafficking teenagers to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein

Ghislaine Maxwell’s 20-year sentence could be slashed if she is allowed to serve it in the UK.
Legal expert Mark Stephens said she would then come under British law rather than US rules, which forbid parole for federal crimes.
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That means Maxwell, 60 – who is expected to appeal – may have to spend only a further eight years in jail, and could be free before she is 70.
Mr Stephens, of London legal firm Howard Kennedy, said: ‘I think it will take until autumn to appeal. Once the appeal is done, if she’s British she’s entitled to opt for the prison swap regime – it usually takes six to 18 months as it depends on a US citizen to be shipped back to America.

A courtroom illustration of Ghislaine Maxwell with her defence lawyer Christian Everdell during her sentencing hearing in New York City on Tuesday. She was sentenced to 20 years for sex trafficking


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IF allowed. Why the HE77 would we allow that unless another US judge that would do such a thing? And had to step down.

She is a US prisoner. Period. And people have had enough over the last deal sh*t.

Better not happen.

Sounds like a lot of conjecture but can tell you if such happened, they are going to get fall out.

 

[Tresir]

IF allowed. Why the HE77 would we allow that unless another US judge that would do such a thing? And had to step down.

She is a US prisoner. Period. And people have had enough over the last deal sh*t.

Better not happen.

Sounds like a lot of conjecture but can tell you if such happened, they are going to get fall out.

It happens all the time. We have US or other nationals in our jails and often swop them for UK nationals overseas. That US basketball player was recently swopped so she could go home. (although she wasn't in the UK.) All countries do it. Its not like she is a serial killer or anything. You need to be prepared for it when it happens, which it surely will at some point. You should be happy that you wouldn't have to pay to keep her incarcerated over there any more.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It happens all the time. We have US or other nationals in our jails and often swop them for UK nationals overseas. That US basketball player was recently swopped so she could go home. (although she wasn't in the UK.) All countries do it. Its not like she is a serial killer or anything. You need to be prepared for it when it happens, which it surely will at some point. You should be happy that you wouldn't have to pay to keep her incarcerated over there any more.

No but it's not like she is some basketball player either. or some trade going on with prisoners of crimes. I;'d need to know the details to know what I think of when such happens.

It;s one thing to step in or release for say a prisoner of war being returned or negotiate but this is not that. Tell me who has been in our federal prison that you have received? That committed a crime on another person? And who did we swap them for?

News to me but I'd like specific names/cases. So theoretically Alex Murdaugh could be farmed out to your country if he is left with only his federal crimes?

Not sure I'm buying this but if it's fact, I'll listen.

 

[kdg411]

Thanks Kdg.

I reviewed the Federal case docket and I do see that her attorneys and the AUSA have filed briefs but no decisions have been made by the court nor has any filings been made available. I would like to know the grounds on which her appeal is based on. Until I can get that in writing, I'm hesitant to offer my thoughts. However, I'm keeping up with her court docket and if anything changes I'll make sure to keep you posted.

 

[Tresir]

I reviewed the Federal case docket and I do see that her attorneys and the AUSA have filed briefs but no decisions have been made by the court nor has any filings been made available. I would like to know the grounds on which her appeal is based on. Until I can get that in writing, I'm hesitant to offer my thoughts. However, I'm keeping up with her court docket and if anything changes I'll make sure to keep you posted.

I haven't seen anything but believe it could be based on the NPA on page 5 that gives the immunity.

No but it's not like she is some basketball player either. or some trade going on with prisoners of crimes. I;'d need to know the details to know what I think of when such happens.

It;s one thing to step in or release for say a prisoner of war being returned or negotiate but this is not that. Tell me who has been in our federal prison that you have received? That committed a crime on another person? And who did we swap them for?

News to me but I'd like specific names/cases. So theoretically Alex Murdaugh could be farmed out to your country if he is left with only his federal crimes?

Not sure I'm buying this but if it's fact, I'll listen.

No. Alex is a US citizen. This is just for UK felons in prison in US and vice versa.

 

[Tresir]

Not this case but this is a recent prisoner swap between Russia and USA.

British citizen among prisoners released in biggest swap between Russia and the West since Cold War

In the biggest such exchange since the Cold War, a number of high-profile individuals have been freed including dual UK-Russian citizen Vladimir Kara-Murza and US reporter Evan Gershkovich.

news.sky.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

I haven't seen anything but believe it could be based on the NPA on page 5 that gives the immunity.

No. Alex is a US citizen. This is just for UK felons in prison in US and vice versa.

Ohhhh so you are saying this is because she isn't or is both... That was never clear to me.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I still don't see why anyone with a brain wanted to think of as doing the right thing in their job would do so but then corruption abounds...

 

[Tresir]

I still don't see why anyone with a brain wanted to think of as doing the right thing in their job would do so but then corruption abounds...

It's to make it easier for relatives to visit partly, I think.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's to make it easier for relatives to visit partly, I think.

Moving them countries you mean? That shouldn't be a concern of any kind to any official. They are convicted prisoners, she made the choice to commit crimes in this country. That's on her. Also, I find it depressing that you think your country would let her out early, I'd hope just the opposite being Prince Andrew's thing and all the shame it brought too in all of this and they are well aware of her and Epsetin's history and crimes.

Also for appeals, her lawyers are here and they can't be from there.

And this hasn't happened and I don't think it will so it's just based on you thinking it might and I'll just say again, it had better not. I'm certainly not going to sweat it unless it did. And I don't see your country negotiating for her or on her or her family's behalf or wanting her. But who knows in this world of nowadays...

 

[Tresir]

We really can't say for sure that she has served more than him. We only know of the 18 month sentence. He was in jail when he died at we don't know how long he might have gotten from that.

I'm also not understanding the fixation that she did not time than he did. He got a sweetheart deal. She did not. She didn't do any time when he did. He very well could have gotten life of he had made it to trial.

He put his co conspirators in the deal so she should have been included like they were IMO. I believe the deal has only just recently been made public due to De Santis and his sunshine laws. So now we can all read about it.

What are you calling a fixation? Its nothing of the sort. It's the law.

It's fact. He is the main perpetrator and he did 12 months on day release to his home. She got 20 years.

 

[Tresir]

Moving them countries you mean? That shouldn't be a concern of any kind to any official. They are convicted prisoners, she made the choice to commit crimes in this country. That's on her. Also, I find it depressing that you think your country would let her out early, I'd hope just the opposite being Prince Andrew's thing and all the shame it brought too in all of this and they are well aware of her and Epsetin's history and crimes.

Also for appeals, her lawyers are here and they can't be from there.

And this hasn't happened and I don't think it will so it's just based on you thinking it might and I'll just say again, it had better not. I'm certainly not going to sweat it unless it did. And I don't see your country negotiating for her or on her or her family's behalf or wanting her. But who knows in this world of nowadays...

One of the crimes was actually an alleged crime in the UK, if I remember and the woman was over the age of consent so in the end it didn't count towards the offence but just gave an example of the MO . One was in New Mexico, one was in Florida and one in NY I believe. I just want you to not be shocked when she is released or swopped. And to remember I told you so in advance LOL.

 

[Tresir]

Thanks. So he was a creep even back then. Not surprised. Most who are always have been.

Yeah seems like he has always been an influential rich creep with ties to Mossad.

 

[Tresir]

These are the rules regarding a possible move to a UK jail. She also has French citizenship - i haven't checked that out.

Information pack for British prisoners in the United States of America

www.gov.uk

I copied the relevant bit below. Scroll and roll if you're not interested.

6.7 Is transfer to the UK a possibility?​

In theory, yes, but not all states offer this. If you wish to apply for a transfer to the UK, you should ask your classifications officer at the facility for the relevant paperwork as you will need to submit the application through them.
The International Prisoner Transfer Program (“IPTP”) applies to any British national who has been sentenced and is serving their time in a federal or state prison. County jail inmates cannot apply, as their sentences are less than 12-months in duration. There are a number of criteria that the applicant must meet to be eligible for transfer:

• you must be a British citizen or have close family ties with the UK
• criminal proceedings against you in the USA must be complete – you cannot be transferred if you are awaiting trial or the outcome of an appeal
• you must normally have at least 6-months of your sentence left to serve before applying
• the offence you were convicted of must also be a criminal offence in the part of the UK you wish to be transferred to
• you must have no outstanding fines or non-custodial penalties

​

A federal prisoner who wants to apply for transfer to a prison in their home country should contact their classifications officer at their facility and request that a transfer application package be prepared. Their application package will be forwarded to the International Prisoner Transfer Unit at the US Department of Justice where it will be processed and a decision to approve or deny the transfer will be made.
A state prisoner interested in transfer should contact their classifications officer at their facility. In order for a state prisoner to obtain a transfer to their home country, their application must be approved at both the state and federal levels. If the state doesn’t approve the transfer request, it cannot be considered by the United States Department of Justice. Often, many states do not approve transfer requests.
If the US Department of Justice approves your transfer, it will be sent to the relevant authority in the UK (Ministry of Justice in England and Wales) for a decision on whether to agree to your transfer; it must be agreed by both the sentencing country and the receiving country. Once both countries approve, you must formally consent to this transfer at a consent verification hearing where you will also be ordered deported. The administration costs of the transfer are handled by the UK and foreign authority, but you must agree to repay the cost of the airfare.
If you are transferred to the UK, the completion of your sentence is carried out in accordance with the laws and procedures of the UK, including those governing the reduction of the term of confinement by parole, conditional release, or otherwise. The application can take up to 18-months to be approved, but in some cases it can be longer. There is no guarantee of approval, indeed many applications are denied each year. You should note that the majority of the denials are by the United States authorities.
The FCDO produces a leaflet, ‘Transfers Home for Prisoner’s Abroad’ that may answer many of your questions. Please contact your consular representative if you would like a copy.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He put his co conspirators in the deal so she should have been included like they were IMO. I believe the deal has only just recently been made public due to De Santis and his sunshine laws. So now we can all read about it.

What are you calling a fixation? Its nothing of the sort. It's the law.

It's fact. He is the main perpetrator and he did 12 months on day release to his home. She got 20 years.

I really don't want to disagree but a lot of this has been talked before and it is true he killed himself before being tried so not known what time he would have done.

And a lot of it also is there is Florida, then New York and then federal prosecution so pretty confusing.

And that deal is the deal made by I think I did have it wrong, I believe a US judge, not a state judge. One who also stepped down over it and the outrage if I recall.

I'm not even sure if I know of the legality or another deal ever where he has any right to insist on no prosecution of co conspirators anyhow. Perhaps it is legit, perhaps not but I wonder about it. He is a perp, not someone in authority.

Whatever the case, let's say if the deal did not exist at all, what sentence she ends up with versus him, one has nothing to do with the other. Separate trials, cases, juries, etc. and each can go a different way.

Lori and Chad were co conspirators. One could have gotten off (thank God did not happen) and one could have been sentenced to death, life, etc. They wanted them tried together but they were not. Each result is separate. Each case. Each person. Even though the same crimes and charges. Lori had the death penalty removed, Chad did not. Anything could have resulted from each jury entirely different for one than the other.

Ghislaine's case and trial is not Epstein's and vice versa.

Now the NPA/deal, that's a different beast. It never should have happened to begin with and NO judge should have that kind of authority but apparently they do or think they do and if they do, there should be limits. Because it was flat out wrong, outrageous and corrupt. Imo.

She is where she belongs and hopefully he is too, in HE77. Actually she belongs in a real prison but then I guess they couldn't take her whining one moment longer.

I'm sorry, but it's how I feel on this one. I don't one bit about her appeal or anything else other than she not get out and serves her time.

My post is the upset at the two of them, just so you know. I think you know that. They disgust me. I know I sound a bit strong at it but it is certainly not at you. I just get almost ready to vomit when it comes to these people. And the judge who gave the deal and the NPA as well.

And like you I am still outraged that all the ones who gladly partook in what Epstein and Maxwell provided for play things have not been prosecuted and probably never will be.

I sure the heck am not hoping she wins some appeal. or is released or swapped.

Anyhow, I guess it shows how I feel about it. Have to get a fast move on and I sure mean no offense. Hope your day goes well. It is a holiday weekend here but not for me, a total working one.

 

[Tresir]

I really don't want to disagree but a lot of this has been talked before and it is true he killed himself before being tried so not known what time he would have done.

And a lot of it also is there is Florida, then New York and then federal prosecution so pretty confusing.

And that deal is the deal made by I think I did have it wrong, I believe a US judge, not a state judge. One who also stepped down over it and the outrage if I recall.

I'm not even sure if I know of the legality or another deal ever where he has any right to insist on no prosecution of co conspirators anyhow. Perhaps it is legit, perhaps not but I wonder about it. He is a perp, not someone in authority.

Whatever the case, let's say if the deal did not exist at all, what sentence she ends up with versus him, one has nothing to do with the other. Separate trials, cases, juries, etc. and each can go a different way.

Lori and Chad were co conspirators. One could have gotten off (thank God did not happen) and one could have been sentenced to death, life, etc. They wanted them tried together but they were not. Each result is separate. Each case. Each person. Even though the same crimes and charges. Lori had the death penalty removed, Chad did not. Anything could have resulted from each jury entirely different for one than the other.

Ghislaine's case and trial is not Epstein's and vice versa.

Now the NPA/deal, that's a different beast. It never should have happened to begin with and NO judge should have that kind of authority but apparently they do or think they do and if they do, there should be limits. Because it was flat out wrong, outrageous and corrupt. Imo.

She is where she belongs and hopefully he is too, in HE77. Actually she belongs in a real prison but then I guess they couldn't take her whining one moment longer.

I'm sorry, but it's how I feel on this one. I don't one bit about her appeal or anything else other than she not get out and serves her time.

My post is the upset at the two of them, just so you know. I think you know that. They disgust me. I know I sound a bit strong at it but it is certainly not at you. I just get almost ready to vomit when it comes to these people. And the judge who gave the deal and the NPA as well.

And like you I am still outraged that all the ones who gladly partook in what Epstein and Maxwell provided for play things have not been prosecuted and probably never will be.

I sure the heck am not hoping she wins some appeal. or is released or swapped.

Anyhow, I guess it shows how I feel about it. Have to get a fast move on and I sure mean no offense. Hope your day goes well. It is a holiday weekend here but not for me, a total working one.

Nobody was murdered in this case, AFAIK. Lori and Chad were triple (possibly quadruple) murderers plus attempted murder of a fifth and had the choice of being tried together or separately. I have no idea why Maxwell was not actually named in the NPD but it could be she had already left Epstein at that point and the wording was like it was so as not to name her but it still covered her IMO. But the ones who replaced her were actually named but they never got charged at all. The whole case doesn't make sense to me. But hey, thats the grounds for the appeal so we will see. I understand what has happened because i have been following it.

I disagree we have discussed it much before because the appeal was only submitted in March.

Anyway, those not interested, just scroll and roll because I plan to follow the appeal and report anything valid.

 

[kdg411]

@Tresir
Here is a link to NY Federal Appeals Court Second Circuit. When a written decision is published you will be able to see it posted. I will still have to log into the court system to print the document but at least you have a better link than relying on MSM for updates. Hope this helps while we wait.

Decisions