Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Now this is a strange coincidence. Epstein's first job was teaching at Dalton's prep school in Manhattan where AG Barr's father, Donald Barr was headmaster.


From the article -

"Epstein grew up in the Coney Island neighborhood of Brooklyn, the son of a New York City parks department employee.

He taught calculus and physics at the prestigious Dalton School, a prep school in Manhattan, from 1973 to 1975, despite not having a college degree. Attorney General William Barr’s father, Donald Barr, was headmaster at the time.

Dalton graduate Paul Grossman said that he never had Epstein in class but that he was known among students as a math whiz.

“Everyone pretty much knew him as brilliant,” said Grossman, who graduated in 1978. “None of us were surprised that when he left Dalton he made a zillion dollars in business.”

William Barr has decided not to recuse himself from overseeing Epstein’s case, a Justice Department official told The Associated Press on Tuesday. But Barr has withdrawn from taking part in any review of the 2008 deal in Florida because Barr’s former law firm previously represented Epstein, the official said. The official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Epstein left Dalton in the mid-1970s for a job at Bear Stearns at the urging of a student’s father who arranged a meeting with the chairman of the investment bank, according to published reports. He later began his own money-management business, J. Epstein & Co."
 
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I am just posting the info. The only thing i am interested in is the appeal grounds and whether what is said about the plea agreement and NPA is valid. This has been with the appeal court now for 5 months at least, so there should be something known about it. How long did Cosby's take? I'll have to check it out. In the meantime it looks like she is earning her keep helping inmates somewhat, and gets a little protection in return, so i don't see anything wrong with that. I guess she has served maybe 3 years now?

(She was indicted in July 2020 so maybe 4 years served now?)
I guess IF they counted time she was jailed prior to conviction maybe she's served that many years.

Well NY got around the NPA and determined they were not bound by it as to Epstein.

I'm not sure Cosby's is in any way comparable but guess I don't really know.

I know I am disgusted that he is out as well as imo he is as guilty as sin.
 
I guess IF they counted time she was jailed prior to conviction maybe she's served that many years.

Well NY got around the NPA and determined they were not bound by it as to Epstein.

I'm not sure Cosby's is in any way comparable but guess I don't really know.

I know I am disgusted that he is out as well as imo he is as guilty as sin.
What do you think of Barr's law firm representing Epstein in Florida?
 
Some links re the NPA. Page 5 is the page that gives immunity to associates/co-conspirators of Epstein. It names four but also allows any other associates as well. This is the exact wording. INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.

It also says the United States, not just Florida.

"In consideration of Epstein's agreement to plead guilty and to provide compensation in the manner described above, if Epstein successfully fulfills all of the terms and conditions of this agreement, the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia Marcinkova."



 
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So now i understand the basis of her appeal having seen and read the NPA.

It will probably not be decided till after the election IMO. Only just over two months time.
 
What do you think of Barr's law firm representing Epstein in Florida?
I don't know. I found it interesting about his job at the school and his connection apparently all the way back where the father of Barr was headmaster... That goes far back..

Representing someone is different than presiding over it...

But yeah, it smells like most things do in this case/s...

I'll be honest, I just don't have that much interest in this case. I care beyond caring about the lack of justice and how money and power and connections play in but it's certainly not a pet case of mine. You have far more interest in it than I do, which of course is fine. I get a way over such cases, they are a lot like Hollywood type cases to me, the case of the rich or the famous and the justice isn't the same for them kinds of cases. Even Murdaugh, which I am more into than this one by far, just isn't my kind of case.

Epstein's dead and Maxwell has gotten as much as she likely will unless ever some financial fraud or some such.

Lots of people that partook in what Epstein offered will probably never answer for such and that irks me.

And the lack of justice in Florida yes and the deal and more bother me to no end.

But overall, the case really doesn't interest me that much if that makes any sense because I doubt much more is gong to happen. I do care that she not be released or win any appeal, and I am irked beyond belief and did find it of interest she got moved to the cushy part of the prison and never merited it over others who hope for such and worked for such.

So I mean it isn't like nothing ever interests me in it but I'm not real interested for interest in her appeal, other than that it hopefully ends up denied.

The way to this day they are screwing people over with the financial sh*t beyond angers me that courts and officials never do a darned thing about such things or so it seems.

That this attorney is being paid and the ones that saw her through her trial were not. That assets were protected and moved.

That her hub is not her hub but apparently is paying from the assets she transferred while he tries yoga and other things..

It all disgusts me.

I have no sympathy for the woman and never will. She's a blight on all women, betrayed all women and is a rotten example of what a woman can be.

She's a madam and was one pure and simple and lived high and procured for her weirdo boyfriend. The lived high society, and hobnobbed and took in all the other creeps in high places that would indulge in people in less standing than them.

Now see, I am getting a bit passionate here which I didn't even expect but they also are the very same reasons I have distaste for such cases and tend to not follow them as much as other types. Because their justice is always different. That part I care about but it never changes.

A headmaster of a school and Epstein... That actually interests me more... Those kids were adults though right, and it was a college....?
 
I don't know. I found it interesting about his job at the school and his connection apparently all the way back where the father of Barr was headmaster... That goes far back..

Representing someone is different than presiding over it...

But yeah, it smells like most things do in this case/s...

I'll be honest, I just don't have that much interest in this case. I care beyond caring about the lack of justice and how money and power and connections play in but it's certainly not a pet case of mine. You have far more interest in it than I do, which of course is fine. I get a way over such cases, they are a lot like Hollywood type cases to me, the case of the rich or the famous and the justice isn't the same for them kinds of cases. Even Murdaugh, which I am more into than this one by far, just isn't my kind of case.

Epstein's dead and Maxwell has gotten as much as she likely will unless ever some financial fraud or some such.

Lots of people that partook in what Epstein offered will probably never answer for such and that irks me.

And the lack of justice in Florida yes and the deal and more bother me to no end.

But overall, the case really doesn't interest me that much if that makes any sense because I doubt much more is gong to happen. I do care that she not be released or win any appeal, and I am irked beyond belief and did find it of interest she got moved to the cushy part of the prison and never merited it over others who hope for such and worked for such.

So I mean it isn't like nothing ever interests me in it but I'm not real interested for interest in her appeal, other than that it hopefully ends up denied.

The way to this day they are screwing people over with the financial sh*t beyond angers me that courts and officials never do a darned thing about such things or so it seems.

That this attorney is being paid and the ones that saw her through her trial were not. That assets were protected and moved.

That her hub is not her hub but apparently is paying from the assets she transferred while he tries yoga and other things..

It all disgusts me.

I have no sympathy for the woman and never will. She's a blight on all women, betrayed all women and is a rotten example of what a woman can be.

She's a madam and was one pure and simple and lived high and procured for her weirdo boyfriend. The lived high society, and hobnobbed and took in all the other creeps in high places that would indulge in people in less standing than them.

Now see, I am getting a bit passionate here which I didn't even expect but they also are the very same reasons I have distaste for such cases and tend to not follow them as much as other types. Because their justice is always different. That part I care about but it never changes.

A headmaster of a school and Epstein... That actually interests me more... Those kids were adults though right, and it was a college....?
I am interested in the plea deal that appears to cover her too. That had been hidden for years but we now can see it for ourselves. That's why i want to see how the appeal court handles it.

If it is ignored, then what use are plea deals?

Re the school, the students were kids I believe. Maybe teens.

The attorney is charging $950 per hour, but knowing Maxwell, i hope he has taken a big retainer, because she could stiff him like the previous attorney.

Found an article from 2019 about Dalton.

 
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I am interested in the plea deal that appears to cover her too. That had been hidden for years but we now can see it for ourselves. That's why i want to see how the appeal court handles it.

If it is ignored, then what use are plea deals?

Re the school, the students were kids I believe. Maybe teens.

The attorney is charging $950 per hour, but knowing Maxwell, i hope he has taken a big retainer, because she could stiff him like the previous attorney.

Found an article from 2019 about Dalton.

If I recall correctly, he named other people in that NPA but never named her, do I have that wrong? That's a non prosecution agreement but I see where you'd call it a plea deal.

I can't disagree on the big retainer and an attorney getting screwed over by them. However he touts he is being paid isn't that what he said above.

Haven't read the Dalton link, may do so if not too long, will check it out. I thought it sounded like a school with minors if there was a "headmaster" but then it was a college kind of course so wasn't[ sure. And minors have always been right up Epstein's alley...
 
I am interested in the plea deal that appears to cover her too. That had been hidden for years but we now can see it for ourselves. That's why i want to see how the appeal court handles it.

If it is ignored, then what use are plea deals?

Re the school, the students were kids I believe. Maybe teens.

The attorney is charging $950 per hour, but knowing Maxwell, i hope he has taken a big retainer, because she could stiff him like the previous attorney.

Found an article from 2019 about Dalton.

Guess not, told me to create a free account or log in. Not doing that. I get enough junk lol.
 
Guess not, told me to create a free account or log in. Not doing that. I get enough junk lol.

I managed to get in quickly and copy it for you LOL


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Mr. Epstein in the 1975 yearbook of the Dalton School.
By Mike Baker and Amy Julia Harris
July 12, 2019
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In the mid-1970s, students at one of New York’s most esteemed prep schools were surprised to encounter a new teacher who pushed the limits on the school’s strict dress code, wandering the halls in a fur coat, gold chains and an open shirt that exposed his chest.

The teacher, Jeffrey Epstein, would decades later face allegations that he coerced and trafficked teenagers for sex. At the Dalton School on the Upper East Side, some students saw Mr. Epstein as an unusual and unsettling figure, willing to violate the norms in his encounters with girls.

Eight former students who attended the prestigious school during Mr. Epstein’s short tenure there said that his conduct with teenage girls had left an impression that had lingered for decades. One former student recalled him showing up at a party where students were drinking, while most remembered his persistent attention on the girls in hallways and classrooms.

“I can remember thinking at the time, ‘This is wrong,’” said Scott Spizer, who graduated from Dalton in 1976.

None of the female students who spoke to The New York Times in recent days remembered Mr. Epstein making unwanted physical contact with them, and he has not been accused of any crimes related to his time at the school.

But a few students said they had been discomfited by a close relationship he had with one of their female peers, a concern that had escalated so much that one of them had raised the issue then to a school administrator.



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If I recall correctly, he named other people in that NPA but never named her, do I have that wrong? That's a non prosecution agreement but I see where you'd call it a plea deal.

I can't disagree on the big retainer and an attorney getting screwed over by them. However he touts he is being paid isn't that what he said above.

Haven't read the Dalton link, may do so if not too long, will check it out. I thought it sounded like a school with minors if there was a "headmaster" but then it was a college kind of course so wasn't[ sure. And minors have always been right up Epstein's alley...
His plea deal where he only served 18 months on day release to his office was based on that NPA which you can see is signed by everyone. I think i already copied the page that covers her. She is not named because she was no longer with him then, i believe, but she would be covered by that same paragraph.

When he left Dalton's is when he got a job at Bear Stein's and that was apparently also thru a Dalton's contact - one of the parents.
 
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Some links re the NPA. Page 5 is the page that gives immunity to associates/co-conspirators of Epstein. It names four but also allows any other associates as well. This is the exact wording. INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO.

It also says the United States, not just Florida.

"In consideration of Epstein's agreement to plead guilty and to provide compensation in the manner described above, if Epstein successfully fulfills all of the terms and conditions of this agreement, the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia Marcinkova."



Here's the relevant bit i copied. I notice the description of the file includes the words " epsteins- non-prosecution-deal "
LOL so a cross between NPA and plea deal.

This is the important bit -

the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein,

And it is signed. I am telling you now - this is going to get her released. They may do it surreptitiously- eg moving her to an overseas prison first, but it will happen. She has too much **** on important people.

It has only just been released in Florida, i think.
 
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By Mike Baker and Amy Julia Harris
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In the mid-1970s, students at one of New York’s most esteemed prep schools were surprised to encounter a new teacher who pushed the limits on the school’s strict dress code, wandering the halls in a fur coat, gold chains and an open shirt that exposed his chest.

The teacher, Jeffrey Epstein, would decades later face allegations that he coerced and trafficked teenagers for sex. At the Dalton School on the Upper East Side, some students saw Mr. Epstein as an unusual and unsettling figure, willing to violate the norms in his encounters with girls.

Eight former students who attended the prestigious school during Mr. Epstein’s short tenure there said that his conduct with teenage girls had left an impression that had lingered for decades. One former student recalled him showing up at a party where students were drinking, while most remembered his persistent attention on the girls in hallways and classrooms.

“I can remember thinking at the time, ‘This is wrong,’” said Scott Spizer, who graduated from Dalton in 1976.

None of the female students who spoke to The New York Times in recent days remembered Mr. Epstein making unwanted physical contact with them, and he has not been accused of any crimes related to his time at the school.

But a few students said they had been discomfited by a close relationship he had with one of their female peers, a concern that had escalated so much that one of them had raised the issue then to a school administrator.



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Thanks. So he was a creep even back then. Not surprised. Most who are always have been.
 
Here's the relevant bit i copied. I notice the description of the file includes the words " epsteins- non-prosecution-deal "
LOL so a cross between NPA and plea deal.

This is the important bit -

the United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein,

And it is signed. I am telling you now - this is going to get her released. They may do it surreptitiously- eg moving her to an overseas prison first, but it will happen. She has too much **** on important people.

It has only just been released in Florida, i think.
I''m not so sure. Did so and so, whatever his face have such power? There's all sorts of things to be argued. All criminals want things both ways. Did they not argue she was NOT a conspirators (meaning her and the defense)? Playing it both ways...

She's a US prisoner, she won't be going to any out of country prison. Under what authority and who would be required to take her if she never was prosecuted there for any crimes? I don't see that happening at all. Our prisoners are not farmed out to other countries. We have our own federal prisons.

It seems to me this was already tried and argued so I guess they are appealing the fact the judge did not feel it covered her or that she should dismiss the charges?

They don't even HAVE to consider her appeal or take it up.

The only thing I care about is that she serves every DAY of her time and she should be back in the more hellish part of the prison she did not EARN her spot as others had to.

Other than that, I'm not really interested in these two "people" or the WIKI thing on Epstein either. He isn't fascinating to me, nor is she. Just saying and jmo.

Its' entirely clear what kind of people they were and the life they were leading and things they were doing.

If for some reason she wins any appeal or ends up released, then I will have a LOT to say.

Most of the NDP stuff has been discussed plenty prior.

The only thing new is that they are using it I guess for appeal now or as part of one, attempting to anyhow.

He's dead and she's where she belongs (except for the cushy side part of it and her own "cell"/room. AT that point, I felt they were disposed of as best as could be and wash my hands of any interest in these two evil losers. And I don't care how rich or how they hobnobbed, they are very warped and twisted losers. Evil people. Sickly self indulgent. I didn't even like taking the time to type that.

I get that it's of higher interest to you than it is to me. We all vary in what cases interest us more.

I come in when there is activity only because I did basically follow it.

And I think she belongs in prison for life but we knew that was never going to happen.
 

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