Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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Interesting arrest. Probably unrelated but previous murder charges as well, and Moscow’s not that big.

 
Was it explicitly stated somewhere that this vehicle was discovered based on the body cam footage? I've seen a LOT of people making that statement but haven't seen anything to confirm it.
It was my assumption that even if the vehicle was seen in that footage, they would have to have other footage of it as well to narrow down the vehicle type and year. That body cam footage is not exactly high quality.
 
Was it explicitly stated somewhere that this vehicle was discovered based on the body cam footage? I've seen a LOT of people making that statement but haven't seen anything to confirm it.
It was my assumption that even if the vehicle was seen in that footage, they would have to have other footage of it as well to narrow down the vehicle type and year. That body cam footage is not exactly high quality.
I haven't seen anything stating the body cam and the search for the car have anything to do with one another. In fact, the sleuthers at Reddit seem to believe a car seen on the body cam is more like a Camero or Challenger of some sort. I'd love to see the video footage showing the Hyundai, but I don't think it was released.
 
All of their belongings would become their “estate”. Which would now belong to their parents. Perhaps it wasn’t something that was sitting at the home at the time but something that had arrived since. Or maybe they’re just covering all legal bases just in case. Just because a person is deceased doesn’t mean you can now open any mail addressed to them.
That makes sense. They have the estate if no will.
 
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More from Moscow PD on Kaylee’s dog Murphy: During the search of the home, a dog was found in a room where the crimes had not been committed. Officers did not find any evidence on the dog and there was no indication the animal had entered the crime scene.


See what I mean? I thought I read a report that the dog was outside when they arrived? Sheesh.
I heard that again just today, that the dog was outside or so some thought.

Whatever we think of the parents, this back and forth is hard enough on the public and it would be devastating as parents needing to know something and count on it. It isn't a good look for LE.
 
I believe it's important to have someone in a case that families can talk to, even if it's just to say things are moving along or to listen to what they have to say. That's how it's done around here, from what victims have told me. They don't have to give details, just give a bit of themselves to show everyone is working together to find the killer.
Reassurance is a big part of it. Or one thinks nothing is being done. And any tidbits they CAN share. As well as a shoulder to just vent to with the frustration of it all. Maybe that shouldn[t be LE's job but it was in our case. Most places and agencies are not the size of LAPD or NYPD but also it is a detective the family's want to hear from if not the chief or the sheriff. Imho.

If they want to avoid what is happening here and happened in Rounds, there needs to be at least one doing that and being a conduit at least of any plans they can share. Or evidence. Or just anything.
 
Which makes sense. The detectives need to be aware of all. Once a perp is charged, the case has an answer and then the court process starts and the advocate takes over even though one will still see the detectives at trial, etc.
 
Did they really say big news? Apparently their "big news" was that they still need information. :sigh:
I don't consider the dog info big news. Or the "stalker" that now looks like it was actually just one creepy encounter with a guy. Which, don't get me wrong, can definitely be unsettling. But it's not a stalker. I guess that could be "big news" - that they've finally figured out after 3 weeks that she didn't have a stalker.
It just keeps spinning. It's true
Then it's not. Then it is again.
 
Thanks for all that info.! I'll definitely give that episode of Duty Ron a listen when I have more time to devote to it.
Joni Johnston is new to me and I found it interesting from her bio (at that link) that she "became interested in the dark side of human behavior after reading Helter Skelter", interesting because I think the same is true for so many of us.
But it's also interesting to me that the Manson case is referenced because I've thought about that case in terms of this one, not just for the obvious reasons but because there isn't an obvious motive. Indeed, it's occurred to me that had the Manson case never been solved, certainly the motive would have never been known, indeed, beyond imagination.
I think it's possible that- like in the Manson case- it could be the house that that led the perp there- that he was familiar with the house rather than the people inside, although I don't feel strongly about that...
Other than that- like you- I lean toward the perp being a local, possibly even living or had lived in the immediate vicinity, although, I tend to lean that way anytime a perp's entered a home...
Intriguing but I think there may be a clear motive although we wouldn't know as LE isn't sharing.

Of course it could be anyone. Serial, local, friend, student, younger, older, etc.

However, two are strongest on my radar and they share the same name. Each would have different but similar motives imo. Couldn't have someone or upset someone was with someone else.
 
Still talking. More info.

I think it was a missed opportunity that they decided to not have a funeral because they thought the killer would attend. Isn't that good chance for catching him?. I'm not insulting. I'm just sad that, IMO he would have been there.
 

Idaho murders: Slain university students' neighbor says front door left wide open after attacks​

A neighbor of four slain University of Idaho students whose shocking stabbing deaths remain unsolved nearly four weeks later claimed they saw the front door wide open hours after the slayings.

The neighbor told Fox News this week that the front door – which opens to the level where two other roommates were unharmed – was wide open around 8:30 a.m. on Nov. 13.

Authorities have kept mum about how they believe the killer entered and left the home.

When asked about the state of the front door when police arrived, a spokesperson told Fox News Thursday, "that type of information is part of the investigation and not released."
 

Idaho murders: Slain university students' neighbor says front door left wide open after attacks​

A neighbor of four slain University of Idaho students whose shocking stabbing deaths remain unsolved nearly four weeks later claimed they saw the front door wide open hours after the slayings.

The neighbor told Fox News this week that the front door – which opens to the level where two other roommates were unharmed – was wide open around 8:30 a.m. on Nov. 13.

Authorities have kept mum about how they believe the killer entered and left the home.

When asked about the state of the front door when police arrived, a spokesperson told Fox News Thursday, "that type of information is part of the investigation and not released."
Geez.:rolleyes:
 

Investigators untangling the Idaho student slayings face a ‘daunting task’: Parsing the DNA​

The search for whoever fatally stabbed four University of Idaho students last month includes examining an enormous amount of biological and digital evidence, a kaleidoscope of potential clues — some obvious, some unseen and some that may lead to wrong answers.

No suspect has been publicly identified, no weapon has been found, and police have said little about what they’ve learned, as the small college town of Moscow has become the focus of widespread grief, anger and speculation.

A break could come at any moment, from a confession or the thousands of tips submitted to police. But in the absence of a sudden development, investigators are relying on forensic techniques to tackle a case, in a time-consuming process that appears unusually complex, according to a half-dozen experts in crime-scene analysis and evidence gathering.

“This is a case that only the most experienced crime techs can solve and answer,” said Jennifer Coffindaffer, who worked 25 years as an FBI agent and investigated violent crimes. “It’s going to take a long, long time.”

Coffindaffer and the other experts told NBC News that the forensic investigation may be complicated by the chaotic nature of the murders, the layout of the rented house where the victims were found and the likelihood that many students hung out or partied there. Collecting and processing hundreds of DNA samples and then looking for a potential suspect’s genetic profile could take weeks or months, the experts said.

“I know it’s frustrating to people, but murder investigations are not a spectator event,” said Howard Ryan, a former commander of a crime scene unit in the New Jersey State Police who is now a consultant for law enforcement. “People are influenced by TV shows. They believe that these events and processing and work happens at a much more rapid pace and results are obtained much quicker than they really are.”

Although blood can be a crucial source of DNA, investigators don’t know from the start which is the victims’ and which could be from a suspect. The same thing goes for other potential clues left behind. So investigators have to collect a lot of specimens.

“You can’t assume each drop of blood is from the same person,” said David Carter, a professor of criminal justice at Michigan State University and former Kansas City, Missouri, police officer who specializes in homicide investigations and intelligence. “You have to sample them all and analyze them all to see if they belong to victims or a suspect. It’s very time intensive. They’re trying to find hairs, footprints from shoes, fingerprints — anything like that.”

Authorities in Idaho could be waiting on the outcomes of forensic analyses, which can take weeks or months to complete, he said.

“They’ve got to look at it all,” Carter said. “It’s laborious. Really laborious.”

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I am not surprised at this but what does surprise me is there isn't anything obvious from video to a bloody print, etc. BUT I guess they aren't going to go there if they do have a strong leaning. And I guess then a defense can't say they had tunnel vision.

Clearly this info is being put out because of all of the flak they are getting, however, it is a fact they have said things and then changed them more than once by a long shot which didn't help them and they need to bridge that communication gap that exists between professional LE and grieving families/citizens. There IS a big disconnect. One is led by facts and the other has intense emotions which play in. One knows the process but the other--the average citizen--does not know it nor live crime and the system day to day as LE does.
 
I’m super curious to find out more about this vehicle!

There’s also a body cam of some police officers at 3 AM that are quite a ways from the house but you can see a light going off in the upstairs. Very eerie. I don’t remember where I saw that link because I’ve been looking at too many YouTube videos tonight! But I’m sure it’ll be all over the news tomorrow.
I saw it but didn't have time to look further into it. Was it Gray? Maybe Grizzly? I don't recall either...
 
I think it was a missed opportunity that they decided to not have a funeral because they thought the killer would attend. Isn't that good chance for catching him?. I'm not insulting. I'm just sad that, IMO he would have been there.
I know what you mean but I wouldn't want to either for many reasons.

We had a funeral with the perp and his side of the family all the while KNOWING he killed her while they played otherwise to their family and his friends. It was AWFUL. Even if we hadn't known "whodunit" I wouldn't have wanted to wonder who was there that it might be, all the while not knowing...

You almost can't grieve until someone is arrested and you can't grieve and focus on the life lost BECAUSE there is no justice and once there is an arrest, then it becomes again about the perp, delays and trial for years etc. Only after which you wait years for can you finally maybe try to make it about the victim.

It's horrid.

It wasn't the same crime but I can identify entirely with them not wanting to have one with no perp arrested and with no clue who the perp was who might be walking amongst them all.

Think of Delphi. Kelsey has said for years as has the family I think that every day they may be talking to the perp, passing him on the street, that is how awful it is I think when they don't know who...
 

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