Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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Cousin Dupree said:
Thanks, this will be fascinating when solved. If I were a parent I'd show up at my daughter's residence on campus and bring her home until it was solved.
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MANY students left campus. They were going to hold a vigil this week but there were so many students gone they decided to wait until after Thanksgiving.

I was a student there for a year but it's been more than a decade. My brother was a student there and just graduated this past year. It's scary to think about.
 
Saying roommates and guy in video are not suspects comes across to me in the way it was said just that they can't exclude or include anyone right now or won't name them. I don't think they are "not" suspects so to speak.

I watched part of a video tonight and there is a lot more out there. One sister has talked plenty and has found things on her own rather than the police. Inside Edition had a lot as did a few other sources I can't recall. Sister said her sister called "Jack" several times at 2 something a.m. for instance. I think they also said it was she who tracked down the food truck video or came to know they were there and where they were that night, etc. I saw part of that interview and she said while she understands it is a small town and they have down the right thing to call in help and understands the need to not share all in an investigation, she wants to see more done and more attention brought to it, etc., etc.

Also heard it was the sliding door (I assume patio door) that was unlocked. Not sure if this is confirmed or just speculated. Roommates allegedly thought there was just a party going on and locked their doors and went to sleep or something on that order. Victims in bed or sleeping or most of them (heard both). Multiple stab wounds to all but fatal wounds to upper chest area I believe was said (coroner on NewsNation or Inside Edition, don't recall which).

I think they likely know who did this or at least are likely sure of one. But aren't going to say so until they get a few things they need. I could be wrong but I just don't buy this is any big mystery to them, I think more likely they are assembling what is needed and/or checking to see what else can be found or if anyone else may have been a part.

I'm not saying I know who as I don't. I do think it will be someone known to them or at least to one but probably all knew the person(s). I think we are going to see an ex boyfriend or someone one or all of them upset, or even the roommates possibly (NOT accusing, don't know).

Oh and supposedly the suspect would have passed the roommates rooms to kill the other four. Why were they left alone?

I wondered if the person laid in wait or just waited for the right night and opportunity BUT why did I or is everyone thinking that. The person could have well been there even partying with them or visiting or crashing there. Have we heard anything that would exclude that possibility?

I just don't think an arrest is going to take long in this one BUT I don't really see why they haven't named anyone either yet IF they do know. The university sounds like it is almost in a stall mode as to missing students. And people don't feel safe and want answers.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Saying roommates and guy in video are not suspects comes across to me in the way it was said just that they can't exclude or include anyone right now or won't name them. I don't think they are "not" suspects so to speak.

I watched part of a video tonight and there is a lot more out there. One sister has talked plenty and has found things on her own rather than the police. Inside Edition had a lot as did a few other sources I can't recall. Sister said her sister called "Jack" several times at 2 something a.m. for instance. I think they also said it was she who tracked down the food truck video or came to know they were there and where they were that night, etc. I saw part of that interview and she said while she understands it is a small town and they have down the right thing to call in help and understands the need to not share all in an investigation, she wants to see more done and more attention brought to it, etc., etc.

Also heard it was the sliding door (I assume patio door) that was unlocked. Not sure if this is confirmed or just speculated. Roommates allegedly thought there was just a party going on and locked their doors and went to sleep or something on that order. Victims in bed or sleeping or most of them (heard both). Multiple stab wounds to all but fatal wounds to upper chest area I believe was said (coroner on NewsNation or Inside Edition, don't recall which).

I think they likely know who did this or at least are likely sure of one. But aren't going to say so until they get a few things they need. I could be wrong but I just don't buy this is any big mystery to them, I think more likely they are assembling what is needed and/or checking to see what else can be found or if anyone else may have been a part.

I'm not saying I know who as I don't. I do think it will be someone known to them or at least to one but probably all knew the person(s). I think we are going to see an ex boyfriend or someone one or all of them upset, or even the roommates possibly (NOT accusing, don't know).

Oh and supposedly the suspect would have passed the roommates rooms to kill the other four. Why were they left alone?

I wondered if the person laid in wait or just waited for the right night and opportunity BUT why did I or is everyone thinking that. The person could have well been there even partying with them or visiting or crashing there. Have we heard anything that would exclude that possibility?

I just don't think an arrest is going to take long in this one BUT I don't really see why they haven't named anyone either yet IF they do know. The university sounds like it is almost in a stall mode as to missing students. And people don't feel safe and want answers.
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The way the house is built, the killer wouldn't have passed the surviving roommates. They were on the bottom level which is offset. I think killer probably entered on 2nd level? Depending on the outcome, the killer may not have realized it's a 3 level house.
 
RoundPeg said:
The way the house is built, the killer wouldn't have passed the surviving roommates. They were on the bottom level which is offset. I think killer probably entered on 2nd level? Depending on the outcome, the killer may not have realized it's a 3 level house.
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When I saw the layout of the house, the killer missing a room made more sense. Plus, perhaps the last killing made them nervous because the victim almost stopped them from getting away. I've heard of that happening before.

I'm leaning toward this being a serial killer. That could be because it reminds me of Ted Bundy's killing in Florida.

@SheWhoMustNotBeNamed , my mom is from Idaho and lived in Moscow when she was a young girl. She remembers a bad house fire when a large family lost their lives and it haunted her for years. Off topic, but that's what I've always thought of when I hear of Moscow, Idaho...and now this....
 
My first thought was these murders happened on the 13th. I am also leaning towards an SK, one who had been watching the house. Four victims, 2 sets.
(Lyric and Elizabeth, Abby and Libby.) Hopefully Idaho LE reaches out to Georgia LE - GBI, just to cover all bases.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is did the young women move into the house in August right before school started, or had they been living there in previous semesters as well? If not, who occupied the house last year?
Usually a sorority has a house on or near campus where all of the members live. Did Pi Phi and the other sorority have houses? Did the young women have the option of living off campus if they choose, or was there no official sorority house for members and they could live wherever they wanted?
 
Sunburst said:
My first thought was these murders happened on the 13th. I am also leaning towards an SK, one who had been watching the house. Four victims, 2 sets.
(Lyric and Elizabeth, Abby and Libby.) Hopefully Idaho LE reaches out to Georgia LE - GBI, just to cover all bases.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is did the young women move into the house in August right before school started, or had they been living there in previous semesters as well? If not, who occupied the house last year?
Usually a sorority has a house on or near campus where all of the members live. Did Pi Phi and the other sorority have houses? Did the young women have the option of living off campus if they choose, or was there no official sorority house for members and they could live wherever they wanted?
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Do you think that Carroll County has the wrong person for Abby and Libby?
 
GrandmaBear said:
I saw part of that interview and she said while she understands it is a small town and they have down the right thing to call in help and understands the need to not share all in an investigation, she wants to see more done and more attention brought to it, etc., etc.
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Let's just say I'm glad the FBI is there. 22 agents.

It's hard to keep info straight. Especially when you have people (ME) releasing some information to certain reporters but not to others. I've seen fake social media posts. Police saying one thing and then retracting statements. It's a mess.
 
Sunburst said:
Usually a sorority has a house on or near campus where all of the members live. Did Pi Phi and the other sorority have houses? Did the young women have the option of living off campus if they choose, or was there no official sorority house for members and they could live wherever they wanted?
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I believe Xana and one of the surviving roommates were both members of Pi Beta Phi. It appears that yes, they do have a sorority house (Deakin Ave and Idaho Ave).

Their housing options are unclear, but based on photos alone (size, etc.), it appears that they could choose to live at the house if they wanted.

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Pi Beta Phi - PHC | University of Idaho

The Pi Beta Phi Fraternity for Women promotes friendship, develops women of intellect and integrity, cultivates leadership potential, and enriches lives.
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Ethan was part of Sigma Chi. (Shown on map on Nez Perce Drive above). That's where they were at a party that evening.

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Pi Beta Phi - Idaho Alpha

Pi Beta Phi Fraternity for Women | Idaho Alpha
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When I saw the layout of the house, the killer missing a room made more sense. Plus, perhaps the last killing made them nervous because the victim almost stopped them from getting away. I've heard of that happening before.
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I haven't seen the house layout. I did hear that the normal entrance required a code. So they suspected maybe a side door was left unlocked.
 
www.foxnews.com

Idaho murders: 'Private party' drove 2 victims home, police now say

Idhao police say a 'private party' drove homicide victims Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves home the morning they were murdered after initially saying they Ubered.
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Idaho murders: 'Private party' drove 2 victims home, police now say​

A "private party" drove two of the University of Idaho homicide victims home just hours before they were murdered in their beds, police said Friday.

Police initially said in a Friday press release that Goncalvez and Mogen, who were close friends, took an Uber ride home from downtown and arrived at their home on King Road near campus at 1:40 a.m. They later changed their statement to say a "private party" drove them home, but it is unclear if the private party was someone known to the victims.

"This is a gruesome and heartbreaking tragedy," Uber communications manager Navideh Forghani told Fox News Digital when asked whether Uber provided a ride to Mogen and Goncalvez. "It looks like Moscow police update the release to say a ‘private party.’ We have no record of the victims ordering a trip."
 
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Slain Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves called mystery man 7 times hour before her murder, sister says

One of the four University of Idaho students that was found stabbed to death Sunday called a young man seven times before her murder.
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Two of the four slain University of Idaho students called a mystery man 10 times shortly before their murder, according to the sister of one of the victims.

Kaylee Goncalves made the calls beginning at around 2:30 a.m. on Nov. 13, her sister Alivea told Inside Edition Friday.

“Kaylee calls [the man] six times between 2:26 a.m. and 2:44 a.m…. then Kaylee makes a final call to him at 2:52 a.m.,” Alivea said.

Roommate Madison Mogen called the same mystery man three times, from 2:44 to 2:52, Alivea said.

The Post redacted the name of the man as recited to the outlet, as he had not been named as a suspect by law enforcement authorities.
 
Sorry for "power posting"... Lots of info still coming out.

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Moscow PD: Call to 911 made from inside the residence, driver who took girls home ruled out as suspect

This is a developing story, and updates will be added to this page. If you have evidence that could help in the investigation, call 208-883-7180 or message tipline@ci.moscow.us. You can
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While the full timeline leading up to the attack is still being pieced together, investigators have determined some of the victims' activities the night before the murder.

According to MPD Chief James Fry, Goncalves and Mogen were seen on Nov. 12 at The Corner Club on north Main St., a local bar, where they stayed between 10 p.m. and 1:30 a.m. At around 1:40 a.m., they were captured on video at a food vendor called the "Grub Truck" at 318 S. Main St. before they caught a ride with a private party to their residence at 1122 King Rd., arriving back at 1:45 a.m.

Chapin and Kernodle were seen at the Sigma Chi house on the U of I campus at between 10 and 11 p.m. on Nov. 12. Investigators believe they arrived back at the residence around 1:45 a.m. Chapin did not reside at the King Rd. home but was instead only visiting.

Investigators are hoping to fill in the gaps of the timeline leading up to the attack and have set up a tipline and e-mail to help. Over 500 tips have been called in already, and investigators have conducted 38 interviews with people with potential information.

Anyone who believes they may have information relating to the case—including observations of suspicious behavior, surveillance footage, or other relevant info—should call 208-883-7180 or message tipline@ci.moscow.us.

While many are speculating online regarding the incident, despite pleas from the victims' families to stop, a number of suspects have been ruled out already. MPD states they believe neither the two surviving roommates nor the man seen standing behind two of the girls at the food truck were involved. They also state online reports of the victims being bound and gagged are not accurate.



As part of the investigation, detectives seized the contents of three dumpsters on King Rd. to search for possible evidence. Local businesses have also been contacted to see if a fixed-blade knife has recently been purchased. DNA samples have been collected and are pending testing.

Regarding the lack of information to the public and families, Fry stated it comes down to the integrity of the case. "When you're dealing with forensics stuff, it doesn't happen immediately," he explained. "We're doing the fastest job, but most thorough job though, to hold the integrity of this case and maintain that."

Fry also stated plenty of security will be in area when U of I students return to the area following Thanksgiving break. A vigil will be held on Wednesday, Nov. 30 on the university's campus.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
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Slain Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves called mystery man 7 times hour before her murder, sister says

One of the four University of Idaho students that was found stabbed to death Sunday called a young man seven times before her murder.
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Two of the four slain University of Idaho students called a mystery man 10 times shortly before their murder, according to the sister of one of the victims.

Kaylee Goncalves made the calls beginning at around 2:30 a.m. on Nov. 13, her sister Alivea told Inside Edition Friday.

“Kaylee calls [the man] six times between 2:26 a.m. and 2:44 a.m…. then Kaylee makes a final call to him at 2:52 a.m.,” Alivea said.

Roommate Madison Mogen called the same mystery man three times, from 2:44 to 2:52, Alivea said.

The Post redacted the name of the man as recited to the outlet, as he had not been named as a suspect by law enforcement authorities.
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I agree with Sunburst on this in that it could be explained by them looking for a phone.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
nypost.com

Slain Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves called mystery man 7 times hour before her murder, sister says

One of the four University of Idaho students that was found stabbed to death Sunday called a young man seven times before her murder.
nypost.com nypost.com
Two of the four slain University of Idaho students called a mystery man 10 times shortly before their murder, according to the sister of one of the victims.

Kaylee Goncalves made the calls beginning at around 2:30 a.m. on Nov. 13, her sister Alivea told Inside Edition Friday.

“Kaylee calls [the man] six times between 2:26 a.m. and 2:44 a.m…. then Kaylee makes a final call to him at 2:52 a.m.,” Alivea said.

Roommate Madison Mogen called the same mystery man three times, from 2:44 to 2:52, Alivea said.

The Post redacted the name of the man as recited to the outlet, as he had not been named as a suspect by law enforcement authorities.
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Heard J's name on CNN this am. We can share once it's in MSM?
 
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