Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article268771952.html

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Heard J's name on CNN this am. We can share once it's in MSM?

Yes. Most media sources have released the first name. This is just one article I saw that had removed it. I think it's fine to say his first name.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

House layout info. Some of you have seen it already.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

 

[RoundPeg]

Hopefully the increased activity is from a good tip, forensics, or something.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

 

[GrandmaBear]

The way the house is built, the killer wouldn't have passed the surviving roommates. They were on the bottom level which is offset. I think killer probably entered on 2nd level? Depending on the outcome, the killer may not have realized it's a 3 level house.

I can't say, I just heard it in a video of the case that the killer went past the rooms of the others and it may have even been in the chat, I don't recall so I can't say it is fact.

The consensus by many and I tend to agree was that the killer knew the house/was not a stranger.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been but I just tend to think it related to one or all of the four.

 

[RoundPeg]

I can't say, I just heard it in a video of the case that the killer went past the rooms of the others and it may have even been in the chat, I don't recall so I can't say it is fact.

The consensus by many and I tend to agree was that the killer knew the house/was not a stranger.

I'm not saying it couldn't have been but I just tend to think it related to one or all of the four.

Oh. I do too. I'm just saying they were on a completely different level.

 

[GrandmaBear]

When I saw the layout of the house, the killer missing a room made more sense. Plus, perhaps the last killing made them nervous because the victim almost stopped them from getting away. I've heard of that happening before.

I'm leaning toward this being a serial killer. That could be because it reminds me of Ted Bundy's killing in Florida.

@SheWhoMustNotBeNamed , my mom is from Idaho and lived in Moscow when she was a young girl. She remembers a bad house fire when a large family lost their lives and it haunted her for years. Off topic, but that's what I've always thought of when I hear of Moscow, Idaho...and now this....

Do we have the layout/picture of the home? I saw a glimpse of it in a video but was unsure where they got it and was going to go back and stop the video and take a good look but didn't have time.

I can see why you liken it to that crime of Bundy's. Certainly has similarities. I'm not sure why but it hasnt' even crossed my mind though this is a serial killer even with those similarities. Bundy had murders under his belt before that one and in this case, there isn't any hint of others prior.

I just think this relates to someone they knew or some knew. I think the person was full of personal rage whether revenge for feeling wronged by the group or by one or an ex of someone or something on that order. At least two of the four could have easily been collateral damage. They entered the wrong room first and someone woke up or they killed first and other(s) woke up and had to be taken down. OR the person could have had it in for all four...

I am not accusing the roommates but one thought that could involve all four is if the four wanted the other two out of the shared residence. November in Idaho would not be a fun time to have no place to live. Just theoretical.

Maybe there was a falling out and all had formerly been friends and were upset for not being included in some group activity or going out, etc.

OR an ex of one of the four or a current boyfriend of one of the two girls who perhaps was not happy with what they were doing without him there or perhaps there was a fight or breakup.

I just think there are a lot of possibilities that wouldn't necessarily mean a serial killer.

In Bundy's day there were likely no cameras and there certainly were not cell phones any killer would have to worry about if they got a call off for help when kililng four, etc. AND have to worry about camera coverage quite possibly unless they KNEW the home, etc. DNA wasn't the thing in Bundy's era either. A serial killer would have to be pretty dumb nowadays to risk four in a bloodbath with no certainty they wouldn't awake, use their phones, etc. or that they wouldn't be caught on camera...

All that said, an acquaintance could now BE a serial killer... And/or have had no gripe with any of them, just a lust to kill them/someone.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh. I do too. I'm just saying they were on a completely different level.

That's what I wondered in the beginning if maybe they were upstairs or in a lower level basement or something.

On the other hand, the roommates could be responsible but I doubt alone. I don't see a female taking down four, one of which was a male but I guess it could happen or they first could have had them tied up or held at gunpoint or something... Or had help.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Idaho murder victim’s sister says she called man 7 times before killings - live

Idaho student murders - update

www.independent.co.uk

 

[GrandmaBear]

My first thought was these murders happened on the 13th. I am also leaning towards an SK, one who had been watching the house. Four victims, 2 sets.
(Lyric and Elizabeth, Abby and Libby.) Hopefully Idaho LE reaches out to Georgia LE - GBI, just to cover all bases.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is did the young women move into the house in August right before school started, or had they been living there in previous semesters as well? If not, who occupied the house last year?
Usually a sorority has a house on or near campus where all of the members live. Did Pi Phi and the other sorority have houses? Did the young women have the option of living off campus if they choose, or was there no official sorority house for members and they could live wherever they wanted?

What am I missing, why Georgia LE? The cases of the teen girls are IN and IA.

I too wondered if it was a sorority house or a rental. I don't think it is a sorority house with the one bf living there. I think he lived there as a roommate and wasn't just visiting right?

I never lived college much less sorority life but they can live off campus can't they? I know some colleges require dorm rooms freshman year only and most kids by their second year rent together big houses, usually old ones in some areas. This home looked pretty nice the photos I saw for a college rental especially. One can make good rent that way and yet be affordable to kids but one also risks parties, damage and more.

I think this more likely a grudge, revenge, jealousy or something like that. Jmo though.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I thought Jack was one of the girls boyfriends and didn't live there nor was there and that another Jack is the food truck guy.

There wasn't any Jack in the home was there?

 

[GrandmaBear]

My first thought was these murders happened on the 13th. I am also leaning towards an SK, one who had been watching the house. Four victims, 2 sets.
(Lyric and Elizabeth, Abby and Libby.) Hopefully Idaho LE reaches out to Georgia LE - GBI, just to cover all bases.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is did the young women move into the house in August right before school started, or had they been living there in previous semesters as well? If not, who occupied the house last year?
Usually a sorority has a house on or near campus where all of the members live. Did Pi Phi and the other sorority have houses? Did the young women have the option of living off campus if they choose, or was there no official sorority house for members and they could live wherever they wanted?

The date does have eerie similarity but I don't see much else. Far apart states, entirely different ages, a guy one of the victims here as well, IA and IN were both deaths of minors committed outdoors.

No disrespect meant at all I'm sure you know, I just wonder what it is that makes you think they are connected in any way? That thought never crossed my mind as they have so many differences.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Idaho murders: 'Private party' drove 2 victims home, police now say

Idhao police say a 'private party' drove homicide victims Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves home the morning they were murdered after initially saying they Ubered.

www.foxnews.com

Idaho murders: 'Private party' drove 2 victims home, police now say​

A "private party" drove two of the University of Idaho homicide victims home just hours before they were murdered in their beds, police said Friday.

Police initially said in a Friday press release that Goncalvez and Mogen, who were close friends, took an Uber ride home from downtown and arrived at their home on King Road near campus at 1:40 a.m. They later changed their statement to say a "private party" drove them home, but it is unclear if the private party was someone known to the victims.

"This is a gruesome and heartbreaking tragedy," Uber communications manager Navideh Forghani told Fox News Digital when asked whether Uber provided a ride to Mogen and Goncalvez. "It looks like Moscow police update the release to say a ‘private party.’ We have no record of the victims ordering a trip."

I thought it was one of the girls' sisters who said they took an Uber...? I assumed they were able to check her app or something. Maybe she was told that by LE?

This makes me think of that child case where there was said to be a video and then wasn't...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Slain Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves called mystery man 7 times hour before her murder, sister says

One of the four University of Idaho students that was found stabbed to death Sunday called a young man seven times before her murder.

nypost.com

Two of the four slain University of Idaho students called a mystery man 10 times shortly before their murder, according to the sister of one of the victims.

Kaylee Goncalves made the calls beginning at around 2:30 a.m. on Nov. 13, her sister Alivea told Inside Edition Friday.

“Kaylee calls [the man] six times between 2:26 a.m. and 2:44 a.m…. then Kaylee makes a final call to him at 2:52 a.m.,” Alivea said.

Roommate Madison Mogen called the same mystery man three times, from 2:44 to 2:52, Alivea said.

The Post redacted the name of the man as recited to the outlet, as he had not been named as a suspect by law enforcement authorities.

I thought they called a Jack. Are these the same calls referred to prior but now they are just not stating a name and acting as if who it is is a mystery even to them?

What is going on here? And since the girls were killed after getting home, how do they even know the girls had their phones and that the killer didn't? Or is the mystery man the killer?

Can we even trust they were all home as said about 1:30 wasn't it or so they all came home? Or is that just conjecture as well? I figured they knew it from the Uber ride which also now is not a fact...

Smh.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Sorry for "power posting"... Lots of info still coming out.

Moscow PD: Call to 911 made from inside the residence, driver who took girls home ruled out as suspect

This is a developing story, and updates will be added to this page. If you have evidence that could help in the investigation, call 208-883-7180 or message tipline@ci.moscow.us. You can

www.khq.com

While the full timeline leading up to the attack is still being pieced together, investigators have determined some of the victims' activities the night before the murder.

According to MPD Chief James Fry, Goncalves and Mogen were seen on Nov. 12 at The Corner Club on north Main St., a local bar, where they stayed between 10 p.m. and 1:30 a.m. At around 1:40 a.m., they were captured on video at a food vendor called the "Grub Truck" at 318 S. Main St. before they caught a ride with a private party to their residence at 1122 King Rd., arriving back at 1:45 a.m.

Chapin and Kernodle were seen at the Sigma Chi house on the U of I campus at between 10 and 11 p.m. on Nov. 12. Investigators believe they arrived back at the residence around 1:45 a.m. Chapin did not reside at the King Rd. home but was instead only visiting.

Investigators are hoping to fill in the gaps of the timeline leading up to the attack and have set up a tipline and e-mail to help. Over 500 tips have been called in already, and investigators have conducted 38 interviews with people with potential information.

Anyone who believes they may have information relating to the case—including observations of suspicious behavior, surveillance footage, or other relevant info—should call 208-883-7180 or message tipline@ci.moscow.us.

While many are speculating online regarding the incident, despite pleas from the victims' families to stop, a number of suspects have been ruled out already. MPD states they believe neither the two surviving roommates nor the man seen standing behind two of the girls at the food truck were involved. They also state online reports of the victims being bound and gagged are not accurate.



As part of the investigation, detectives seized the contents of three dumpsters on King Rd. to search for possible evidence. Local businesses have also been contacted to see if a fixed-blade knife has recently been purchased. DNA samples have been collected and are pending testing.

Regarding the lack of information to the public and families, Fry stated it comes down to the integrity of the case. "When you're dealing with forensics stuff, it doesn't happen immediately," he explained. "We're doing the fastest job, but most thorough job though, to hold the integrity of this case and maintain that."

Fry also stated plenty of security will be in area when U of I students return to the area following Thanksgiving break. A vigil will be held on Wednesday, Nov. 30 on the university's campus.

I see absolutely no certain way they could exclude any of these parties. I think personally they are just sayiing they are not named suspects at this time and it means nothing. How do you exclude two people in the home and the guy at the party since all were basically there or around in the time frame? DNA couldn't have excluded. So how? Makes no sense to me yet people and news seem to interpret the fact they say not calling them suspects means they are cleared. I don't think they are. Jmo.

I tend to doubt they wanted the info on the knife released. I think the store caused it. Why would you say what murder weapon you are looking for in detail? If the perp hadn't dumped it he likely will now....

 

[GrandmaBear]

I agree with Sunburst on this in that it could be explained by them looking for a phone.

There was no Jack at the home was there? Or diid I miss something?

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

This link is obviously not live yet but putting it here for tomorrow.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

The misinformation being put out in this case is outrageous. And it's not originating from the media!

Some of the murdered University of Idaho students were stabbed in their beds, coroner says

According to police, the coroner said all four victims were likely asleep, some had defensive wounds and each was stabbed multiple times.

www.cbsnews.com

Of the four University of Idaho students who were found stabbed to death in a rental house last Sunday, some were killed in their beds, the Latah County coroner told CBS News Friday.

Coroner Cathy Mabbutt would not provide any further details. She noted, however, that earlier media reports stating all four victims had been murdered in their beds were not accurate.


Moscow police said Friday that, while initial reports had indicated Chapin lived at the residence, he was just visiting at the time of his death.

After initially saying there was no ongoing danger, police walked that back on Wednesday.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

There was no Jack at the home was there? Or diid I miss something?

No, he does not live in the home.
But apparently he was NOT at the home or with the victims, or needing help finding his phone, and he was apparently sleeping at the time.

Idaho Murders: What We Know

A man who was studying for a Ph.D. at a nearby university has been charged in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho undergraduates.

www.nytimes.com

There were seven unanswered phone calls made from the phone of one of the victims, Ms. Goncalves, to her longtime boyfriend in the early morning hours on Sunday, according to her older sister, Alivea Goncalves, based on phone logs she was able to download from the phone provider.

The first call to the man, Jack DuCoeur, was at 2:26 a.m., and there were six more over the next 26 minutes, with the final one at 2:52, Ms. Goncalves said. She said Mr. DuCoeur, also a student at the university, missed them because he was sleeping, and that her sister’s phone account did not show any other calls.

Ms. Goncalves said Mr. DuCoeur, who did not respond to a request to discuss the case, had been a childhood friend of her sister’s . She said that they had been dating for years until recently, when they decided to take an amicable break. Ms. Goncalves said she and her family “stand behind Jack 100 percent and know he absolutely had nothing to do with this at all.”

She also said that the number of calls was not unusual: Kaylee Goncalves would frequently call people late at night, and often until they picked up, even to ask a mundane question like what she should have for a meal, her sister said.

Bill Thompson, the top prosecutor in Latah County, said investigators were looking at cellphone tower data and social media information to try to determine who was in the immediate area at the time of the killings.