Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article268771952.html

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It was quite late last night when I saw Plundr had a community post up that says the Jack they were calling WAS the ex boyfriend which is where I leaned. I was heading for bed and wiped but it is accurate I believe and sourced. Not sure if I will get a chance to follow up but will if I can or if someone else wants to explore that they can.

I thought myself that the food truck guy looked like the one girl's bf but just something I thought possible, probably isn't.

I think there are things here the public is assuming that may not be the case. Many are assuming the guy at the food truck was unwanted by the girls or not a friend, etc. It seems to be assumed only the six people were in the home after all got home. Why? Every one of these kids were out somewhere, all six, they are college students and it is entirely possible there was an after party or others crashing there or there for a bit. I am not saying there were but what I am saying is just because something hasn't been said doesn't mean it couldn't be. Either of the surviving roommates could have brought someone home for the night. The two girls who were victims were calling Jack so were up and active apparently and didn't head straight for bed.

I see above again it says the coroner said it likely all four were sleeping. Not long before that that was said to be not the case. Now it is again. They need to nail that down one way or the other because one of their own SAID it.

If there truly was blood flowing from a doorway of the home then someone either was not sleeping OR managed to get that far after being injured or in flight and then died there when the perp caught up with them.

 

[Guess Who]

The clearing of the roommates, people at the house, guy at the food truck and driver who took them home is unusual imo. They may be entirely right but just how can they say that? What could they possibly have that would exclude all of these people? Not DNA. It is far more usual for LE to say everyone is still a suspect and no one has been ruled out.

As for the unconscious person report, that is odd as well but I can only put it down to their age and denial. We follow crime and also know generally a lot of blood means they are likely dead but things can look bad and a person just need life saving help and has a chance. Maybe they saw blood and were freaked and scared to approach and called friends for help and then 911 and were HOPING the person could be saved and maybe were barely alive or something... It would seem they didn't go far or approach or look for the others or they would have known there was more than one victim.

Maybe it is also possible the one victim they saw didn't have much blood that could be seen.

Or maybe one actually hadn't expired yet and was unconscious but then did expire before help arrived.

Finally, yes, a blanket could have covered or something the perp put there to conceal, stage, etc.

What seems to me he most likely is they just saw one and panicked and hoped they were seeing an unconscious injured person, stopped instead of looking further and called friends and then 911.

And probably assumed they were passed out because of knowledge of possible partying that evening.

 

[Kimster]

They were unable to see any blood or disturbance from multiple stab wounds?
Were they afraid of being in trouble for possible drug or alcohol use? So friends were summoned instead of 911?
I know they're saying no one at the home at the time of the 911 call is a suspect. But it continues to baffle me. Not that I suspect them. Just how things could unfold in the way that they have.

Did their friends come over and wake them up?

 

[Kimster]

It was quite late last night when I saw Plundr had a community post up that says the Jack they were calling WAS the ex boyfriend which is where I leaned. I was heading for bed and wiped but it is accurate I believe and sourced. Not sure if I will get a chance to follow up but will if I can or if someone else wants to explore that they can.

I thought myself that the food truck guy looked like the one girl's bf but just something I thought possible, probably isn't.

I think there are things here the public is assuming that may not be the case. Many are assuming the guy at the food truck was unwanted by the girls or not a friend, etc. It seems to be assumed only the six people were in the home after all got home. Why? Every one of these kids were out somewhere, all six, they are college students and it is entirely possible there was an after party or others crashing there or there for a bit. I am not saying there were but what I am saying is just because something hasn't been said doesn't mean it couldn't be. Either of the surviving roommates could have brought someone home for the night. The two girls who were victims were calling Jack so were up and active apparently and didn't head straight for bed.

I see above again it says the coroner said it likely all four were sleeping. Not long before that that was said to be not the case. Now it is again. They need to nail that down one way or the other because one of their own SAID it.

If there truly was blood flowing from a doorway of the home then someone either was not sleeping OR managed to get that far after being injured or in flight and then died there when the perp caught up with them.

On that video that I was listening to last night, someone said it was oil not blood. Also, another person brought up some thing that I thought was interesting. If there was blood all over, why no foot prints of blood? Did the perp clean up?

 

[GrandmaBear]

And probably assumed they were passed out because of knowledge of possible partying that evening.

Yeah if they didn't notice blood, I could see that. Most descriptions though make it seem as if all victims would have been obviously injured or bloody.

 

[GrandmaBear]

On that video that I was listening to last night, someone said it was oil not blood. Also, another person brought up some thing that I thought was interesting. If there was blood all over, why no foot prints of blood? Did the perp clean up?

Oil running out the door you mean?

As to footprints, where was it ever said there weren't footprints? Or even bloody fingerprints? I don't think we know that. The scene could be full of such no?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think the most difficult part in watching these cases is the parts that aren't shared or said. Because for instance if we don't hear there maybe was a party or someone brought someone home or a visitor stopped or bloody fingerprints were not told to us, we as people assume those things didn't happen, aren't possible, aren't there, etc. It is the unknown, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or didn't maybe happen...

I suspect the scene is/was full of forensic evidence.

 

[Guess Who]

Yeah if they didn't notice blood, I could see that. Most descriptions though make it seem as if all victims would have been obviously injured or bloody.

but possibly not obvious if they were covered with a blanket and on their bed and you are just assuming they are passed out. Who would be assuming they were murdered if you don't see any blood?

 

[GrandmaBear]

but possibly not obvious if they were covered with a blanket and on their bed and you are just assuming they are passed out. Who would be assuming they were murdered if you don't see any blood?

Do you mean they were covered up by the perp or they were stabbed in bed with the blanket over them and blanket absorbed blood or covered it?

I guess I was under the impression one must be near a door since remarks of photos showing blood coming out of home. And that made me think the first victim seen by roommates would be one near the door. What is the deal about it being oil?

 

[Guess Who]

Do you mean they were covered up by the perp or they were stabbed in bed with the blanket over them and blanket absorbed blood or covered it?

I guess I was under the impression one must be near a door since remarks of photos showing blood coming out of home. And that made me think the first victim seen by roommates would be one near the door. What is the deal about it being oil?

Possibly they assumed it was oil. Who would expect it would be blood at first sight? They were just kids out having a good time.

Yes, I am saying possibly the murderer covered them up and that is how they just thought they were passed out. We have to get in the minds of 20 year olds that were just out having a good time and not expecting anything bad happening. If you were out having fun and partying, you would just probably assume what ever happened to them to not be violent.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Possibly they assumed it was oil. Who would expect it would be blood at first sight? They were just kids out having a good time.

Yes, I am saying possibly the murderer covered them up and that is how they just thought they were passed out. We have to get in the minds of 20 year olds that were just out having a good time and not expecting anything bad happening. If you were out having fun and partying, you would just probably assume what ever happened to them to not be violent.

I don't know that the kids thought it was blood or oil or even saw it so not sure what you mean.

It was people who saw a video or pictures after the murders and I believe even TV channels saying that blood was like running out the door. In post #84 above, Kimster said it was oil. I have heard that nowhere else so don't know what that means or where it came from or why oil would be running out of a door in a home.

But yes, I think it totally possible young 20 somethings wouldn't jump right to the thought of murder or death and/or if their mind went there, would want to desperately believe otherwise or think them unconscious. Totally possible. If not involved or having more knowledge, that is likely what happened.

I guess a murderer could cover them up but I doubt that more so. Maybe if he ended up with time and was not worried about someone finding him there or was not worried about the more he did or touched, the more evidence he would leave. I tend to doubt this but I could see him stabbing through blankets possibly if the victims were sleeping and covered. He either stabbed them all quickly while asleep before others could fight back or he somehow rounded them up or a couple of them and stabbed the others in their sleep.

I am finding it doubtful that the two girls were asleep if they were making phone calls until almost 3 a.m. IF they were the ones making them.

 

[Kimster]

Oil running out the door you mean?

As to footprints, where was it ever said there weren't footprints? Or even bloody fingerprints? I don't think we know that. The scene could be full of such no?

They were looking at a picture where there were sliding glass doors and a chair knocked over and said they didn't see any blood or bloody footprints leading out.

Here's something that's going around Twitter about the case now. IF these crimes are connected, it would make my first thought of a serial killer more viable:

Nearby resident’s dog was skinned shortly before University of Idaho murders

About three weeks before four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death in their home, a couple’s dog was killed and skinned three miles away – leading locals to fear a connection between …

nypost.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

They were looking at a picture where there were sliding glass doors and a chair knocked over and said they didn't see any blood or bloody footprints leading out.

Here's something that's going around Twitter about the case now. IF these crimes are connected, it would make my first thought of a serial killer more viable:

Nearby resident’s dog was skinned shortly before University of Idaho murders

About three weeks before four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death in their home, a couple’s dog was killed and skinned three miles away – leading locals to fear a connection between …

nypost.com

Well at minimum that town has a LOT Of bad things going on. There was also the report of someone threatening others with a knife not long before although no injuries occurred. Someone in black/a stranger to them.

I don't discount an SK as a possibility but in the same link you have other headlinse listed have one where it says the killer was sloppy and left a lot of evidence per a parent. It also just SEEMS personal IMO. Not that both couldn't apply I guess.

This skinning of animals is horrid but sounds pretty precise and they seem to have no clue of who nor did they find the hide. In this case it was stabbing not skinning (although we sure don't have all info) and it was sloppy or so it sounds.

I still don't understand the bit about blood and/or oil. I heard it said more than once on both MSM and in SM about blood flowing out of the door but I myself never saw whatever picture they were referring to to know where, what, etc.

You would think there may be bloody footprints but they have now said they were attacked in their beds all of them or likely asleep (man that keeps changing) and if you think about him standing over them in a bed, it is very possible his lower body had little blood and that most blood from the victims would be on the beds. He also could have just ditched shoes and walked in socks and carried shoes or anything but again he could not have any on his feet or even legs is what I'm thinking...

 

[Kimster]

I think the most difficult part in watching these cases is the parts that aren't shared or said. Because for instance if we don't hear there maybe was a party or someone brought someone home or a visitor stopped or bloody fingerprints were not told to us, we as people assume those things didn't happen, aren't possible, aren't there, etc. It is the unknown, doesn't mean it doesn't exist or didn't maybe happen...

I suspect the scene is/was full of forensic evidence.

I think so, too. But a LOT since people were in and out of there all the time, according to neighbors.

 

[Kimster]

Spoiler: Tweet

Here's the pic of the oil/blood. I put a spoiler because if it is blood, seeing it is really disturbing.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think so, too. But a LOT since people were in and out of there all the time, according to neighbors.

You mean a lot of forensic evidence? Not sure I know what you are referring to. There would be tons of fingerprints and all with people in and out I agree, but not in the blood of this crime nor necessarily in each person's bedrooms unless they were frequented by people in and out as well.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Spoiler: Tweet

Here's the pic of the oil/blood. I put a spoiler because if it is blood, seeing it is really disturbing.

That sure looks like blood to me but the odds of it running down but being seen nowhere else seems unusual unless there is a trail they could see of it as to how it dripped down, etc.

Thanks for the pic, I wondered what was being referred to when hearing it several times.

So this is the back of the home right and would be the second level of the three levels?

 

[Kimster]

That sure looks like blood to me but the odds of it running down but being seen nowhere else seems unusual unless there is a trail they could see of it as to how it dripped down, etc.

Thanks for the pic, I wondered what was being referred to when hearing it several times.

So this is the back of the home right and would be the second level of the three levels?

One of the replies says "they" determined it to be heating oil. That's what I heard on the YouTube last night, too.

I think it was on the first level. That's what it says in the tweet.

 

[GrandmaBear]

One of the replies says "they" determined it to be heating oil. That's what I heard on the YouTube last night, too.

I think it was on the first level. That's what it says in the tweet.

The first level in the front when viewing from outside IS the middle level. From the back it is the 2nd level. Also where I am at a first floor is considered the one above the basement level. The main level living area.

So like a reply from someone in the public or from LE that it was heating oil? That sure looks awfully red to me. However, I don't see much reason I can think of that either substance would drip there and from where and how?

I thought it was said it was dripping from a patio door but I guess I don't know that for sure either, regardless of what the substance is.

 

[Kimster]

There's a LOT of chatter out there about this case. Conflicting "facts", more than one "Jack", questions, answers, suppositions. I'm not surprised. People are scared and rightfully so.