Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article268771952.html

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

 

[Kimster]

Seems like we’re covered. This is a very serious crime. Four young people were tortured with a knife, which resulted in death.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Let his supposed great attorney try. Whatever. With far reaching b.s., politics and desperate attempts.

If they just want the DP off the table why doesn't he just admit to all plead guilty and take 100 ironclad life sentences with no EVER possible release in exchange for a donut once a year.

Disgusting.

I truly don't see anything so great in her. Even those claimed to be so great can only do what there is for a client who uhm didn't leave her much... Just do as defense attorneys do. Understandable I guess but I don't expect it to pan out... If it does, then there's a real problem...

These families are going to have a long road. And a hard one. Pretty darned unfair.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys want death penalty removed in Idaho student murder case

Anne Taylor, a defense attorney for 29-year-old Bryan Kohberger, told a judge the anxiety about the method of potential execution would be ‘cruel and unusual.’

ktvl.com

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys want death penalty removed in Idaho student murder case
Attorneys for the man charged with murdering four University of Idaho students in 2022 asked a judge Thursday to take the death penalty off the table as the case heads to trial.

Anne Taylor, a defense attorney for 29-year-old Bryan Kohberger, told a judge the anxiety about the method of potential execution would be ‘cruel and unusual.’

“There’s a constitutional issue with having someone sit on death row when there is no meaningful way for them to be executed,” Taylor said in court.

Idaho has two methods for execution – lethal injection and the firing squad. Taylor claimed the firing squad has never been found to be constitutional and cited a recent execution by lethal injection that was called off in Idaho.

“I think to have him sit on death row and say, ‘Idaho is going figure out how to kill you at some point in the future in a way that isn’t cruel and unusual and in violation of your rights,’ I just don’t think the constitutional protections allow that to happen,” Taylor said.


“Deciding the method of execution is not deciding the sentence,” Nye said. “It may be lethal injection, it may be some other method. We don’t know enough now to spend time debating what we will know in the future.”

Judge Steven Hippler said he would consider the arguments presented by both sides and issue a written ruling after Thursday's hearing.

“The reality is if he is convicted, we know it’s going to be a decade-plus before that sentence is carried out,” Hippler said. “Who knows what the methods will be then.”

Bryan Kohberger's lawyers ask judge to ban death penalty in Idaho murders case; victim's mother says "he deserves to die"

Bryan Kohberger is accused of the Nov. 13, 2022, killings of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves.

www.cbsnews.com

Bryan Kohberger's lawyers ask judge to ban death penalty in Idaho murders case; victim's mother says "he deserves to die"​

Attorneys for a man charged in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students asked a judge to take the death penalty off the table Thursday, arguing that international, federal and state law all make it inappropriate for the case. But a victim's mother who attended the hearing said the suspect "deserves to die."


During a pre-trial motion hearing, Kohberger's defense team made a broad range of arguments against the death penalty, saying in part that it does not fit today's standards of decency, that it is cruel to make condemned inmates sit for decades on death row awaiting execution and that it violates an international treaty prohibiting the torture of prisoners.

But 4th District Judge Stephen Hippler questioned many of those claims, saying that the international treaty they referenced was focused on ensuring that prisoners are given due process so they are not convicted and executed without a fair trial.

Prosecutors noted that the Idaho Supreme Court has already considered many of those arguments in other capital cases and allowed the death penalty to stand.

Still, by bringing up the issues during the motion hearing, Kohberger's defense team took the first step toward preserving their legal arguments in the court record, potentially allowing them to raise them again on appeal.

The judge said he would issue a written ruling on the motions later.


Kristi and Steve Goncalves, the parents of Kaylee Goncalves, attended the hearing. Afterward they said the details of the case show the death penalty is merited.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys want death penalty removed in Idaho student murder case

Anne Taylor, a defense attorney for 29-year-old Bryan Kohberger, told a judge the anxiety about the method of potential execution would be ‘cruel and unusual.’

ktvl.com

Bryan Kohberger's attorneys want death penalty removed in Idaho student murder case
Attorneys for the man charged with murdering four University of Idaho students in 2022 asked a judge Thursday to take the death penalty off the table as the case heads to trial.

Anne Taylor, a defense attorney for 29-year-old Bryan Kohberger, told a judge the anxiety about the method of potential execution would be ‘cruel and unusual.’

“There’s a constitutional issue with having someone sit on death row when there is no meaningful way for them to be executed,” Taylor said in court.

Idaho has two methods for execution – lethal injection and the firing squad. Taylor claimed the firing squad has never been found to be constitutional and cited a recent execution by lethal injection that was called off in Idaho.

“I think to have him sit on death row and say, ‘Idaho is going figure out how to kill you at some point in the future in a way that isn’t cruel and unusual and in violation of your rights,’ I just don’t think the constitutional protections allow that to happen,” Taylor said.


“Deciding the method of execution is not deciding the sentence,” Nye said. “It may be lethal injection, it may be some other method. We don’t know enough now to spend time debating what we will know in the future.”

Judge Steven Hippler said he would consider the arguments presented by both sides and issue a written ruling after Thursday's hearing.

“The reality is if he is convicted, we know it’s going to be a decade-plus before that sentence is carried out,” Hippler said. “Who knows what the methods will be then.”

Bryan Kohberger's lawyers ask judge to ban death penalty in Idaho murders case; victim's mother says "he deserves to die"

Bryan Kohberger is accused of the Nov. 13, 2022, killings of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves.

www.cbsnews.com

Bryan Kohberger's lawyers ask judge to ban death penalty in Idaho murders case; victim's mother says "he deserves to die"​

Attorneys for a man charged in the stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students asked a judge to take the death penalty off the table Thursday, arguing that international, federal and state law all make it inappropriate for the case. But a victim's mother who attended the hearing said the suspect "deserves to die."


During a pre-trial motion hearing, Kohberger's defense team made a broad range of arguments against the death penalty, saying in part that it does not fit today's standards of decency, that it is cruel to make condemned inmates sit for decades on death row awaiting execution and that it violates an international treaty prohibiting the torture of prisoners.

But 4th District Judge Stephen Hippler questioned many of those claims, saying that the international treaty they referenced was focused on ensuring that prisoners are given due process so they are not convicted and executed without a fair trial.

Prosecutors noted that the Idaho Supreme Court has already considered many of those arguments in other capital cases and allowed the death penalty to stand.

Still, by bringing up the issues during the motion hearing, Kohberger's defense team took the first step toward preserving their legal arguments in the court record, potentially allowing them to raise them again on appeal.

The judge said he would issue a written ruling on the motions later.


Kristi and Steve Goncalves, the parents of Kaylee Goncalves, attended the hearing. Afterward they said the details of the case show the death penalty is merited.

@Mel70 Look at this ridiculous sh*t. Like when they sit on death row for 10,20, 30 or 40 years, it can be certain the method won't change. A ridiculous argument imo.

And of course then there are our "base" feelings and those of many of the public and for sure most victim's families or poor him being anxious and it is cruel for him not to know how hew is to die. DID THESE FOUR VICTIMS KNOW they were about to die that night OR HOW?

Imo it isn't about appeals at all either, it's about a big case for her and her being seen as quite the attorney.

Hey though lucky Kohberger, he's got a death qualified atty really going to bat for him, who is supposed to be good, but I find her arguments ridiculous and time delaying. As it says this issue has been ruled on before.

But you go for it Annie.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Parents of Idaho college murder victims speak out on 2-year mark of gruesome crime

Parents of the University of Idaho victims are speaking out on the two-year mark of the gruesome quadruple homicide as they await the trial for their children's suspected killer.

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Parents of Idaho college murder victims speak out on 2-year mark of gruesome crime​

Parents of the University of Idaho victims are speaking out on the two-year mark of the gruesome quadruple homicide as they await the trial for their children's suspected killer.

For victim Kaylee Goncalves' parents, one of the devastating milestones this year is Kaylee's younger sister, Autumn, turning 21 -- the age Kaylee was when she was killed.

"Early on, [Autumn] just said, 'What am I going to do when I'm older than Kaylee?'" Kristi Goncalves recalled. "You should never be older than Kaylee, but yeah, you will be and, and that's coming."

"It should be an exciting, fun time for her to go out with all of her sisters and go do something fun. But somebody does this to your family, it robs you of all kinds of different things. And birthdays are a huge part of that," Steve Goncalves told ABC News on Tuesday.

For the mom of 20-year-old victim Ethan Chapin, two years "seems like a long time ago," but "also feels like yesterday."

Ethan Chapin was a triplet and his sister, Mazie, and brother, Hunter, also attend the University of Idaho.

"The two will graduate college in May, and we could not be prouder of everything they've accomplished," Stacy Chapin said in a statement.

"We continue to heal and miss Ethan as we work diligently to find the silver linings in the worst circumstances," she said.

For the Goncalves, the last two years felt like a "standstill" in the courts.

Two months ago, Kohberger's trial was moved from Latah County, where the crime took place and the defense argued jurors wouldn't be as impartial, to Idaho's capital city, Boise.

Kristi Goncalves said, "I feel like now that we've moved it down to Boise, as much as we didn't want that, that was the right choice. And I'm glad that it, you know, in hindsight that it happened, and I feel like things are going to start moving, although it still seems very slow."


On Wednesday night, the University of Idaho community will gather for a vigil to honor the four slain students.

"Together, we'll honor their legacy by sharing memories, writing notes, and gathering in a place dedicated to all Vandals we've lost," the student government said.

 

[GrandmaBear]

@Mel70 Look at this ridiculous sh*t. Like when they sit on death row for 10,20, 30 or 40 years, it can be certain the method won't change. A ridiculous argument imo.

And of course then there are our "base" feelings and those of many of the public and for sure most victim's families or poor him being anxious and it is cruel for him not to know how hew is to die. DID THESE FOUR VICTIMS KNOW they were about to die that night OR HOW?

Imo it isn't about appeals at all either, it's about a big case for her and her being seen as quite the attorney.

Hey though lucky Kohberger, he's got a death qualified atty really going to bat for him, who is supposed to be good, but I find her arguments ridiculous and time delaying. As it says this issue has been ruled on before.

But you go for it Annie.

@Mel70 haven't seen you in a thread in more than a bit. All okay??

 

[GrandmaBear]

I know which of the two families I can identify with more. And I'd guess most.

Tragic for all of course.

I'll just add that I get people like Dylan Rounds mom, and the Goncalvezes. You feel like you shouldn't shake it up if you want justice but you know what, more power to them because it needs to change and shaking it up, you might be told stay silent, don't criticize, etc. if you want this case to not be messed up, but that isn't going to bring your child back either way.

Things DO need to change for what the P can share and the rights of victims and the length and b.s. of the process. And what the families can share as the Ds are running all over he77 sharing b.s. while the rest stay silent.

I would say to them even moving counties I doubt this is going to get to trial fast. They are likely in for years. Of course that will depend on the judge and how he rules for ever delay attempt and game by the D.

Imo.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The title says something else but the start of this show covers his call in on Delphi and how people from IN called in (good show imo) and then he updates that Judge Judge in this case (truly this name) submitted his intention to retire. So although he has been the judge on Kohberger, did the venue thing, etc., he won't be over time. It's in the first minutes of this show.

That's too bad because I think so far he has seemed quiet fair to all sides.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He is 69. Extensive contemplation. A legal career full of sacrifices,satisfaction, heartbreak and frustration. Etc. It's just a minute or so but so we will be seeing a different judge at some point...

 

[GrandmaBear]

So I'm pretty sure I've made it clear more than once I'm not a News Nation or Law and Crime fan and for some good reasons. However, just like Court TV and Vinnie, it isn't that I'll never watch and I've seen little other coverage on this lately.

If you're going to watch these, I'd watch them in the order I put them.

There is a new judge, and here's Kaylee's parents' attorney on News Nation re the new judge and some other things.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think it's important to watch them in this order to get some perspective.

Now here is L & C on defense filings, etc. When you listen to it, you are going to hear tons that sounds like Delphi, Franks hearing, want everything thrown out as the very start of the case re the genetic genealogy was not constitutional, etc., yada, yada, yada. Same sh*t, different case.

I will say this showboat of an attorney can write logically and professionally which the two D attorneys in Delphi never even came close to doing. Imho.

But one can still see the b.s. in it.

Just like Delphi they are trying the whole thing of getting all thrown out but from anything I've heard yet, they've shown no basis at all, other than claiming all is unconstitutional, starting with the genealogy findings, etc. though in this one.

If ther were true wouldn't there be tons of cases thrown out starting with the Golden State Killer...?
I don't know but that's the way I see it, as likey b.s. but they have to try.

Not many I've seen have covered this and no professionals though I think I may have seen one but didn't watch it and did not know some of this was even the case. News Nation and Law and Criem certainly aren't that caliber imo.

Anyhow, linking both and I'd take a look at the first one first and this one second.

The subjects aren't entirely the same but some things tie together...

And in this one she is covering all the filings so I'll give her that but pretty one way so far. Haven't finished yet so maybe the P has responded more than she's so far shared.

And perhaps someone can find better updates but I wouldn't count on it with regular news either. I did see one from someone who would have the knowledge but didnt' realize it might have been about this, hope to find it again tomorrow, I think I recall who was covering it recently.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Okay now I hit the second half of this one and their "expert" says and it sounds like he knows what he is talking of, or their talking head or guest, that Kohberger likely does not have standing, nor an expectation of privacy. He gives ol' Annie credit for a novel approach but then says overall, he doesn't think it will fly. Not sure if I will finish tonight, another early one tomorrow. A few more minutes maybe and finishing up in the morning most likely, IF time.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He seems to know his sh*t and doesn't think it will legally fly. And legitimately won't.

Glad to hear it, been my opinion throughout but good to hear it confirmed. It isn't new the genealogy challenge, etc. but just like in Delphi, a lot of the argument or exhibits are sealed.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's pretty interesting. I am not a full on Leavy fan for a few reasons but I am even less of a Banfield fan but there are some good questions , answers and coverage in this one opinion by the guest atty who seems to be up to date on his knowledge.

 

[GrandmaBear]

G'nite one and all. never ever am I in bed this early but with this recent schedule, I need to do so.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

https://www.wtaj.com/news/national-news/idaho-college-killings-suspect-can-face-death-penalty-if-convicted-judge/

Idaho college killings suspect can face death penalty if convicted: judge​

Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students in 2022, can face the death penalty if convicted, a judge has ruled.

Kohberger’s defense team sought to remove the death penalty as a possible punishment, but Ada County Judge Steven Hippler denied its request.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He is a defense atty of course and he is thinking with some of this that BK confessed or some such based on what his atty is filing or trying to get suppressed. He has put out quite a few shows lately but haven't had the chance to share them. Interesting anyhow, imo.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Idaho murder victim's mom breaks silence about suspect Bryan Kohberger

The mother of one of the Idaho Murder victims, Madison Mogen, has broken her silence for the first time with a blunt message about suspected killer Bryan Kohberger.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Idaho murder victim's mom breaks silence with blunt message about suspect Bryan Kohberger's trial​

The mother of University of Idaho student Madison Mogen has broken her silence with a blunt message about her daughter's suspected killer's murder trial.

Karen Laramie interviewed for the first time since her daughter was named as one of four victims in the tragic Idaho murders on November 13, 2022.

Laramie gushed about her daughter Maddie on the Today show on Wednesday, and spoke about her experience in finding justice ahead of Bryan Kohberger's trial which is to take place three years after the horrific murders.

Laramie gushed about her daughter Maddie on the Today show on Wednesday, and spoke about her experience in finding justice ahead of Bryan Kohberger's trial which is to take place three years after the horrific murders.


Laramie hadn't spoken publicly since the students' lives were tragically taken but spoke about the toll of losing her daughter in such a horrific manner.

'Madison is absolutely amazing and always has been... she was just a joy.'

Laramie appeared alongside the mother of Mogen's best friend Ashlin Couch and discussed the Made with Kindness Foundation, created in honor of her daughter and her friends.

'So, I think the most important thing is it's going to be really fun to be part of the scholarship committee and just watch kids, read what they have to say, what's in their hearts, and be able to give them back something,' she said.

'Everyone needs a helping hand, and I'm just really super excited to see.'

Laramie told the outlet that she was inspired for the foundation by a memory of the two visiting Seattle, she recalled: 'I'm watching her as an adult, going shopping and being in these stores, and I'm like, "You're just so kind to everybody." Like, did I really, did we really ingrain that in you? Like, that's amazing.'

 

[GrandmaBear]

And she isn't going to get to see more of it. Think many can identify when kids turn adults and over those years, not always at first, you start seeing them often come back to what you tried to teach, for instance if they strayed opposite. Like said they were a Bears fan instead of a Packers fan, etc. Using a light one but kindness, manners, how she is talking here. And maybe they've always show that. But over the years too, they have developed their own beliefs but they also learn to look into things if taught such, and often come back to things they might not agreed at one time with you on. Not everything of course but it's a very good feeling as a parent when maybe the teen years were harder as they often are.

I guess I just mean I can identify with her story at the end. And that's just the beginning of how you see all you tried to instill is really there.

I have never understood rude people and never will. I mean been upset don't get me wrong or you've just taken enough.

The LAST time I ever shopped in the Twin Cities and it's been quite a few years ago now, the rudeness of almost everyone stood out to me. I mean shoppers. Compared to where I lived especially but also I've just never been like that. If I pass in front of someone or they are in my way I go around, meaning another direction or I say excuse me. I hold doors for others. MOST do around here. I say thank you each and every time to someone checking me out or doing anything else for me, even when some of them don't as they should but don't. Often doing that actually gets a similar response. Both of my kids have that. And I don't mean like door mats. One of them can tear someone a new arsehole believe me, the other has a hub who can but only when it is deserved. Anyhow kind of a sidetrack but not really from what was said there. Didn't really say much about the justice it says was talked of in the interview so may have to take a look.

Didn't really mean to go on about all that, but it's nice to hear she was that way. And sad to hear she won't see even more of that showing in years to come.

Heck I see more of it as years go by, they aren't going to agree with everything but basic principles, morals, you name it, and it's really nice to start seeing that awhile after the teen years.

What she said really resonated I guess. 20s even can still be hard. All can and perhaps some don't get this "reward" I'd call it when you weren't sure if anything you tried to instill was really there through teens, etc. sometimes lol.

Mine are in their 30s and 40s now and I STILL see those things or them happening.

It is also a transition to see them as an adult and kind of a new relationship develops.

But this is also very sad as none of them are going to have more of that.

I might have to go watch it to hear more on the road of justice, etc. but again that remark resonated.

One last thing at times they may be acting the opposite at home like in their teens but out and about they are kind and helpful. Just not going to let you see it.

I doubt there's many things like this about this evil perp though that can be said and he was older than them all. Getting off my sidetrack or going on there. Just feeling for her.

And some have not talked as much as others or at all.

Made with Kindness. Love that.

And so associated with seeing that in her daughter, love that too. They are on a ship they'll never be off of imo, these parents as they can't bring them back and it will never go away.

Does that POS even GET that? That's a dumb question, I'm sure not. Anyhow enough by me.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Worth watching. She wouldn't speak much to the case but made one significant statement and that's that the legal system is sure not about the victims (paraphrased) and she said she'd leave it at that. I could not agree MORE. I know I gripe about such all of the time because it is true. She wouldn't say more, but isn't that the way it goes with gag orders and being advised talking shouldn't be done if one can help it, yada, yada, etc., etc.

Seems like three of the four families are for this foundation and together on it.